Hi all I'm still in 2 minds whether i root my note 9, I'm not sure I wanna lose sasung pay, I'm trying to get google pay to work on my rooted S7 to make comparisons but it's not working I get errors that it's been rooted. I thought google pay works with rooted devices? I've followed the instructions such as hiding it magdisk but it fails safety net...any advice?
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Some mods will screw Safety Net and there's nothing you can do about it. For example, Xposed. You should disable all Magisk modules, and try them one at a time until you find the culprit, and see if you can live without it.
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Hey all!
I'll do the long story short: I am stuck on a Korean Note 9 in Europe, which means no Samsung pay for me.
Now, since I can't get Samsung Pay, and I saw I can't instal Google pay either(not sure why the Play store wouldn't let me), I have been contemplating before setting up my Note, to maybe root it, and going stock european ROM.
I have rooted multiple phones in the past, but I am not sure if it's worth it in the present, as the UIs are pretty good and complete.
Now my question is, do I lose anything else by rooting? Could someone Eli~10 what that knox fuse tripping means for future limitations/possibilities? Also, besides my reason to set custom dpi for an app, why else would one root its Note 9 nowadays?
Thanks!
I'm pretty sure you lose Private Folder and maybe Samsung Health if you root. I'd consider rooting only for Viper4Android & the YouTube Background Playback xposed module. But I saw there is xposed for non-rooted phones & Note9 has Dolby Atmos so I think this will be my first android phone that I won't root (don't even need root anymore).
It is personal preference, but all apps that require Knox will cease to work, so almost all payment apps will be of no use. While the first comment said S Health would no longer work, months ago a workaround was found to get it to work. Many apps I like require root, but there are nonroot workarounds for most of them.
Snowby123 said:
It is personal preference, but all apps that require Knox will cease to work, so almost all payment apps will be of no use. While the first comment said S Health would no longer work, months ago a workaround was found to get it to work. Many apps I like require root, but there are nonroot workarounds for most of them.
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And which are specifically the apps that require Knox to work?
I don't know all of them. The only ones I know are Samsung Pay, Samsung Pass, Secure Folder, and Adhell, but development of Adhell ceased months ago. There are definitely more.
I had the same dilemma when I first bought my Note 9. For a couple of seconds. Then, I rooted it as I do with every Android phone I get since 2009.
Any app, website, or service that demands a non-rooted device goes automatically to my black list.
With latest Safetynet upgrades safety net will not pass on Android Q suddenly stopped working for me while using magisk.
If anyone is still passing it on the N9600 on OneUI 2 let me know if you have a way to fix it but most methods are not working so i will have to live without my Mcdonalds Coupons Google Pay still works though
This was a security change that'd Google made on their end thus the majority of magisk users had cts profile failing as I'm typing this seems like Google has reverted this change maybe temporarily.
I also want to know
Hy sir if you solve that problem tell me also
Wouldn't it be possible to intercept the SafetyNet check and then actually run the check on a device that still passes SN and send back the result? Since Samsung, OnePlus and Google devices are still able to pass SN with custom Software this should be possible.
I think it needs to be rerouted. Spoofed in a way that it doesn't get detected the same weight methods used in the hacking tool called Lucky patcher. And no I'm not endorsing the app. there's probably a topic about it on the actual Lucky patcher site but since we're not supposed to do really mention that type of tool even though can be used in the genuine way...
There was talk about it on Twitter about suggesting the exact same thing you're implying.
https://twitter.com/topjohnwu/status/1238514375150850048?s=09
I'm pretty sure the SafetyNet Deamon on your phone generates some sort of result that's based on your phone's fingerprint. This would mean if you'd want to pass SafetyNet on let's say a google pixel, you'd need another google pixel that generates the 'passing SN result' and then pass it to your unlocked google pixel. This may be possible but I don't have 2 identical phones for programming.
Also, the google framework is closed source and very obfuscated making it very difficult to figure out how SafetyNet actually works. SafetyNet itself checks the Zygote proccess for changes, so hooking in to your android phone to analyze a true SN pass would theoretically be impossible already. It'd be very hard to route a true safetynet result with a locked phone. But, if I can help in any way, I'll be glad to do so. Not experienced enough with how android 8 and up work to tweak them though.
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I'm pretty sure the SafetyNet Deamon on your phone generates some sort of result that's based on your phone's fingerprint. This would mean if you'd want to pass SafetyNet on let's say a google pixel, you'd need another google pixel that generates the 'passing SN result' and then pass it to your unlocked google pixel. This may be possible but I don't have 2 identical phones for programming.
Also, the google framework is closed source and very obfuscated making it very difficult to figure out how SafetyNet actually works. SafetyNet itself checks the Zygote proccess for changes, so hooking in to your android phone to analyze a true SN pass would theoretically be impossible already. It'd be very hard to route a true safetynet result with a locked phone. But, if I can help in any way, I'll be glad to do so. Not experienced enough with how android 8 and up work to tweak them though.
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Here are my thoughts about this:
I'm not sure if the SN result is only valid for one device and or for one app.
Afaik the EdXposed magisk module is able to bypass SafetyNet. I tested it before this and it worked fine. Now the only thing that has been changed is that it also checks if the bootloader is unlocked in a cryptographically safe way. Afaik Samsung, OnePlus and Google devices should be able to pass that check. OnePlus and Google devices are able to relock the bootloader using a custom key of the rooted phone / custom rom. Samsung devices don't need to have to bootloader unlocked because of the Download (odin) mode. Those devices could then be used to spoof anything they want including the calling app and maybe the fingerprint of the phone.
So on my old phone i used to hide root using magisk and its got to the point now where i am sick of the cat and mouse games with banking apps. I Was wondering on my newer phone is it possible to root, install apps, apis and then unroot it but continue to use the apis ive installed to the partition and banking apps. Not too bothered about knox and the secure apps
LOL, it's KNOX that's stopping those banking apps working...
Once the e-fuse that protects the phone has been blown it's impossible to un-root.
Try to un-cook an egg.
Kmox is part of the security that tells the phone that the device has been compromised and hence no app that requires absolute system security will run... This generally will apply to banking apps but a few of Samsungs own apps won't run either.
Sorry...
thanks, i just thought banking apps check for root. i didnt think they used knox at all
I miss the good old time where we could root and go back to factory state before selling the phone
Had fun tweaking S2, Note3 and S6...
Now you'd loose money rooting if you're honest when selling
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I miss the good old time where we could root and go back to factory state before selling the phone
Had fun tweaking S2, Note3 and S6...
Now you'd loose money rooting if you're honest when selling
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So true, this is the last time i rooted, unrooted, rooted, unrooted, sold phones and havent done it since. it looks like i just will need to deal with it or somehow find a phone that has a vulnerability to allow root
I picked my old s6 and root again, hope the android auto all app hack works, phone will use my N9 hotspot
But I'd need a way to keep voicecall coming from N9 bluetooth and not plugged s6 running Android Auto
The main things I'm looking for are reinstalling adaway or any other adblocker that needs to access the hosts file, and 1080p60 rear camera recording. I've learned to live without the former, and I'm not holding my breath that Samsung will enable the latter even tho it works on the A70 and there are mods to make it work on rooted A71. I bought my A71 on Amazon, as far as I know it has no warranty because it's the international edition so I don't really care about tripping Knox. I know that OTA updates are disabled, but I've used Odin in the past and am familiar with how to flash stock updates with it. I have read that rooted devices can't use Google Pay/Samsung Pay, but can be fixed with MagiskHide -- is this correct? I don't really care about custom roms, stock is fine and much better than touchwiz from my previous samsung S4. Is there anything else that I would potentially lose out on that doesn't have a workaround?
Thanks
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The main things I'm looking for are reinstalling adaway or any other adblocker that needs to access the hosts file, and 1080p60 rear camera recording. I've learned to live without the former, and I'm not holding my breath that Samsung will enable the latter even tho it works on the A70 and there are mods to make it work on rooted A71. I bought my A71 on Amazon, as far as I know it has no warranty because it's the international edition so I don't really care about tripping Knox. I know that OTA updates are disabled, but I've used Odin in the past and am familiar with how to flash stock updates with it. I have read that rooted devices can't use Google Pay/Samsung Pay, but can be fixed with MagiskHide -- is this correct? I don't really care about custom roms, stock is fine and much better than touchwiz from my previous samsung S4. Is there anything else that I would potentially lose out on that doesn't have a workaround?
Thanks
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Rooting is pointless and a total waste of time, imo no phone really needs to be rooted as they are good enough as they come.
fattest said:
The main things I'm looking for are reinstalling adaway or any other adblocker that needs to access the hosts file, and 1080p60 rear camera recording. I've learned to live without the former, and I'm not holding my breath that Samsung will enable the latter even tho it works on the A70 and there are mods to make it work on rooted A71. I bought my A71 on Amazon, as far as I know it has no warranty because it's the international edition so I don't really care about tripping Knox. I know that OTA updates are disabled, but I've used Odin in the past and am familiar with how to flash stock updates with it. I have read that rooted devices can't use Google Pay/Samsung Pay, but can be fixed with MagiskHide -- is this correct? I don't really care about custom roms, stock is fine and much better than touchwiz from my previous samsung S4. Is there anything else that I would potentially lose out on that doesn't have a workaround?
Thanks
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There is a really cool alternative to adaway called blokada. I use it on both unrooted and rooted devices, it works pretty good.
Tripping knox is something that stays forever, so it's a really important decision to make. I've been tripping knox since it was introduced a few generations ago so I'm not really missing anything lol.
I have no way of testing Google Pay since it's not supported by my bank, but I can at least open it and attempt to register a payment method so I think that maybe it may be useable for banks that support it.
Samsung Pay, for now, totally depends on the knox fuse, so it won't work again even if you go back to fully locked stock
Samsung Pass is also lost with the knox fuse blown, with no current workaround, but I find the Google Password manager to be just as good
Secure Folder is also broken in stock, so you'll have to either fix it or install a custom ROM that has it fixed if you want to ever use it again
And finally, widevine is set to L3 which means you will only be able to stream in 720p with Netflix or Amazon Prime Video. I don't know if this is set to L1 by default on the A71 stock firmware(I rooted way before I knew what widevine even was) so I suggest you check your Netflix playback information on settings to see if you have Widevine L1 there. If it is, you can currently play stuff in full HD. If it's L3 even in stock A71 firmware then ignore this whole sentence lol.
Thanks for the detailed reply.
ShaDisNX255 said:
There is a really cool alternative to adaway called blokada. I use it on both unrooted and rooted devices, it works pretty good..
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I will try this out. I tried AdGuard previously but found it wasn't giving as good coverage as AdAway.
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Tripping knox is something that stays forever, so it's a really important decision to make. I've been tripping knox since it was introduced a few generations ago so I'm not really missing anything lol.
I have no way of testing Google Pay since it's not supported by my bank, but I can at least open it and attempt to register a payment method so I think that maybe it may be useable for banks that support it.
Samsung Pay, for now, totally depends on the knox fuse, so it won't work again even if you go back to fully locked stock
Samsung Pass is also lost with the knox fuse blown, with no current workaround, but I find the Google Password manager to be just as good
Secure Folder is also broken in stock, so you'll have to either fix it or install a custom ROM that has it fixed if you want to ever use it again
And finally, widevine is set to L3 which means you will only be able to stream in 720p with Netflix or Amazon Prime Video. I don't know if this is set to L1 by default on the A71 stock firmware(I rooted way before I knew what widevine even was) so I suggest you check your Netflix playback information on settings to see if you have Widevine L1 there. If it is, you can currently play stuff in full HD. If it's L3 even in stock A71 firmware then ignore this whole sentence lol.
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I've read a bit on Google Pay, seems like a lot of work to get it working on a rooted device with Magisk. But on the other hand I haven't really used it up to now, although it is nice to have in case I forget my wallet when going out. Never used the other features you mentioned, and I don't use my phone for watching netflix/prime, just YouTube. Do you know if lack of Widevine L1 could prevent casting of HD/UHD content from my phone to a tv, or limit YouTube on the phone to 720p? I do cast a lot of live sports from http links using Web Video Caster to my TV.
To me it looks like the big thing I'm missing on stock is 1080p60 rear camera, which I believe your ROM has, and looking at the videos on my wife's iphone xr it makes a huge difference. From reading your other posts, it looks like it's just a setting in an xml file to enable it on the phone, and I'm sure if it could be done without rooting everyone would be doing it. I guess it's up to Samsung to enable this feature in One UI 3.0 or some future update. I think if it doesn't happen in One UI 3.0 I will go ahead and root.
Thanks again.
fattest said:
I've read a bit on Google Pay, seems like a lot of work to get it working on a rooted device with Magisk. But on the other hand I haven't really used it up to now, although it is nice to have in case I forget my wallet when going out.
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Really? I didn't have a hard time getting Pay to open, but since I can't fully test it I guess I can't say for sure
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Never used the other features you mentioned, and I don't use my phone for watching netflix/prime, just YouTube. Do you know if lack of Widevine L1 could prevent casting of HD/UHD content from my phone to a tv, or limit YouTube on the phone to 720p? I do cast a lot of live sports from http links using Web Video Caster to my TV.
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Widevine only effects things that could stream copy-righted material (that are ultra secure) like Netflix and Prime Video. It has no effect on Youtube, you should be good to go.
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To me it looks like the big thing I'm missing on stock is 1080p60 rear camera, which I believe your ROM has, and looking at the videos on my wife's iphone xr it makes a huge difference. From reading your other posts, it looks like it's just a setting in an xml file to enable it on the phone, and I'm sure if it could be done without rooting everyone would be doing it. I guess it's up to Samsung to enable this feature in One UI 3.0 or some future update. I think if it doesn't happen in One UI 3.0 I will go ahead and root.
Thanks again.
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Yes it literally only takes one edit on a text file to enable it. I don't know why Samsung went out of their way to keep it off of the A71. Weird since this is a 2020 phone, you would think that they would enable as much features as possible to get it to sell. Sometimes I don't know what Samsung is thinking. What may happen is that Samsung adds 60 fps recording and calls it "We added a brand new, exciting feature to the mid-range phones" but I HIGHLY doubt it, who knows.
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Really? I didn't have a hard time getting Pay to open, but since I can't fully test it I guess I can't say for sure
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I don't know if it's a matter of opening Google Pay, but maybe adding cards and using the device for NFC payment. Here's the thread where I read the solution, the post is pretty lengthy:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ap...7-1-22-pie-t3929950/post79643248#post79643248
The only negative (with no workaround) is the lost of drm, widevide switches from level 1 to level 3. This happens by unlocking bootloader actually, but that's a required step towards rooting.
This won't allow you to stream HD drm protected content, like from Netflix and Amazon Prime Video.
Probably won't be able to stream Atmos music on Tidal too, but I'm not sure about this one.
They say widevide goes back to L1 after relocking bootloader but haven't tried (yet?) and I had an opposite experience with an older phone where it never came back.
ShaDisNX255 said:
There is a really cool alternative to adaway called blokada. I use it on both unrooted and rooted devices, it works pretty good.
Tripping knox is something that stays forever, so it's a really important decision to make. I've been tripping knox since it was introduced a few generations ago so I'm not really missing anything lol.
I have no way of testing Google Pay since it's not supported by my bank, but I can at least open it and attempt to register a payment method so I think that maybe it may be useable for banks that support it.
Samsung Pay, for now, totally depends on the knox fuse, so it won't work again even if you go back to fully locked stock
Samsung Pass is also lost with the knox fuse blown, with no current workaround, but I find the Google Password manager to be just as good
Secure Folder is also broken in stock, so you'll have to either fix it or install a custom ROM that has it fixed if you want to ever use it again
And finally, widevine is set to L3 which means you will only be able to stream in 720p with Netflix or Amazon Prime Video. I don't know if this is set to L1 by default on the A71 stock firmware(I rooted way before I knew what widevine even was) so I suggest you check your Netflix playback information on settings to see if you have Widevine L1 there. If it is, you can currently play stuff in full HD. If it's L3 even in stock A71 firmware then ignore this whole sentence lol.
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Sir, if you ever unroot and relock bootloader please let know on forum if Widevide goes back to L1.
Thank you