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[Q] Note against Microsoft Windows Phone?

"This is a skill-based Contest. The object of this Contest is for You to come into the Microsoft Store and try to beat the Microsoft Windows Phone in a series of five (5) "Smoked by Windows Phone" challenge scenarios selected by Microsoft at its sole discretion including: (1) Pocket-to-Picture-to-Post, (2) Real-Time Information with Live Tiles, (3) Using the People Hub to Stay in Touch with the People You Care About Most, (4) Updating Your Status Across Multiple Social Networks, and (5) Local Scout ("Challenge"). For purposes of this Contest, each entrant who participates in the Challenge with their own personal smartphone will be called an "entry." All eligible entries received will be judged using the criteria described below to determine the winners of the prizes described below."
Microsoft is hosting smartphone challenge in their US stores. When your existing smartphone beat their Windows Phone in above category, you get a $1000 laptop as price. If you lose, you can still trade-in your existing smartphone for one of their new Windows Phone, contract free.
Ok here is my dilemma, I can either use my beat up refurbished Blackberry for the contest and go for the loser "price" (trade for a new Windows phone). OR... I can use my Galaxy Note against their WP for the grand prize, $1000 laptop.
Although my Note is plenty fast against WP in general but my experience tells me that Microsoft must design these challenge in a specific way that favors WP os...
What do you guys think?

psun786 said:
"This is a skill-based Contest. The object of this Contest is for You to come into the Microsoft Store and try to beat the Microsoft Windows Phone in a series of five (5) "Smoked by Windows Phone" challenge scenarios selected by Microsoft at its sole discretion including: (1) Pocket-to-Picture-to-Post, (2) Real-Time Information with Live Tiles, (3) Using the People Hub to Stay in Touch with the People You Care About Most, (4) Updating Your Status Across Multiple Social Networks, and (5) Local Scout ("Challenge"). For purposes of this Contest, each entrant who participates in the Challenge with their own personal smartphone will be called an "entry." All eligible entries received will be judged using the criteria described below to determine the winners of the prizes described below."
Microsoft is hosting smartphone challenge in their US stores. When your existing smartphone beat their Windows Phone in above category, you get a $1000 laptop as price. If you lose, you can still trade-in your existing smartphone for one of their new Windows Phone, contract free.
Ok here is my dilemma, I can either use my beat up refurbished Blackberry for the contest and go for the loser "price" (trade for a new Windows phone). OR... I can use my Galaxy Note against their WP for the grand prize, $1000 laptop.
Although my Note is plenty fast against WP in general but my experience tells me that Microsoft must design these challenge in a specific way that favors WP os...
What do you guys think?
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You can check out videos of the challenges on Microsoft's WP site. They reported that out of 35 challenges WP only lost two of the challenges and iirc it was a photo upload. IPhone 4s beat it. The Note is smoking fast but many of the features used in the challenges are built into WP. I wish there was a Microsoft store near where I live as I would try it just because. If you give it a shot good luck.
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kbilly70 said:
You can check out videos of the challenges on Microsoft's WP site. They reported that out of 35 challenges WP only lost two of the challenges and iirc it was a photo upload. IPhone 4s beat it. The Note is smoking fast but many of the features used in the challenges are built into WP. I wish there was a Microsoft store near where I live as I would try it just because. If you give it a shot good luck.
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Exactly what I expected... lol
I guess I will just take my decade old Blacberry and aim for the free "upgrade".

Of course the whole thing is geared towards WP always winning, like e.g. the contest where you have to pull the weather up for 2 different cities in two different U.S. states: they already have the weather widget installed to show 2 different cities before-hand on their WP-phones, so of course they'll win this.

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This challenge is a chance for App developers. Code an App for the special purpose and get a notebook. In addition they can offer it in playstore.
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Kanalcommander said:
This challenge is a chance for App developers.
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Hardly. We do not know the challenges before-hand, only the Microsoft-employees know them. If we do not know them we cannot code for them.

kbilly70 said:
The Note is smoking fast but many of the features used in the challenges are built into WP. I wish there was a Microsoft store near where I live as I would try it just because. If you give it a shot good luck.
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Note is definitely faster than wp in spec. But when compared to in and exit of app and also processing in WP is amazingly fast. WP is not populated with many app but what ever the app queued..is amazingly fast. For instance if you dig an app 6 or 7 pages or Windows inside it and tap back button rapidly same number of times, on your last tap that particular app will exit running. (closing app. Using task manager secondary) whereas we have to wait for few seconds in android.
Developers show your best the contest with a lightning fast app and cool features and let Note win a 3rd title after iphone 4s.
This is my personal opinion when I compared with HD7.

It's very hard to win. Not because Note is worse and not because WP7 is superior.
It's because Microsoft knows well how to win. They set the rules, and it's obvious that those rules are greatly in favour of Microsoft products. If you read an article about how MS Employees are instructed on how to conduct and choose a challenge you'll find that MS knows it can lose easily in few aspects against Android, and their employees are specifically told what to avoid, and what to go for. It's obvious that those challenges are not entirely fair, but who expected them to be anyway ?
Still possible though. If Nexus won, Note can win as well.

I am @ MS store waiting in line for the contest. At this point, I have no intention of winning & probably cant even put up a fight. I have no dedicated app for the announced task so everything has to be done via wap browser. All I want is to let take away my decade old Blackberry 8707v and go home with a new WP ^^.

Props to MS for doing this as this is quite a neat way to inform more people about Windows Phone. I wish there were MS Stores here in Canada cause Id do this in a heartbeat with my old Samsung Omnia.
Truth be told... I owned an HTC HD7 for a while last year and I actually quite like the WP OS but I sold the device and have remained with ONLY Android devices since but for the hell of it... I may buy a Nokia WP just to play with...

psun786 said:
I am @ MS store waiting in line for the contest. At this point, I have no intention of winning & probably cant even put up a fight. I have no dedicated app for the announced task so everything has to be done via wap browser. All I want is to let take away my decade old Blackberry 8707v and go home with a new WP ^^.
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Good luck mate. Let us know how it went

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Good luck mate. Let us know how it went
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I got there around 8:50am (store opens 10am) and there was already several dozen ppl waiting in line. There is no sign in sheet so it is unclear how many ppl are infront of me. Since I have lots to do today, I decided to go leave and go back there tomorrow (around 5~6am maybe?) and hopefully be the first few in line.

yiannisthegreek said:
Props to MS for doing this as this is quite a neat way to inform more people about Windows Phone. I wish there were MS Stores here in Canada cause Id do this in a heartbeat with my old Samsung Omnia.
Truth be told... I owned an HTC HD7 for a while last year and I actually quite like the WP OS but I sold the device and have remained with ONLY Android devices since but for the hell of it... I may buy a Nokia WP just to play with...
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I think it is a genius move considering where wp7 stands against the competition right now. What better way to get consumer exposure than through a little education in combination with a free, above average smartphone?
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any tips on how to beat them and how to change my phone speed?

I think Nexus 4 availability is important to Google's Growth and Popularity

I personally think it is damaging to Google/Android that so many people didn't get the Nexus 4. Perhaps not damaging right away, but this phone is a hot seller, demand has shown so, not to mention it's a Nexus. Finally even the not-techy users and people switching from iPhone will finally have access that is a Nexus device with a good spec and frequent updates. (Now I know that there have been previous Nexus devices but overall they were not nearly as attractive of an option as this device, I think we can all agree.)
This phone will allow people to see Android in its current most updated state, without even having to throw on a leaked or custom ROM, like you frequently have to do with a Non-Nexus device, in order to just stay current with Android.
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The funny thing is.. this device is great for DEV's, great for modding/custom ROM's etc... but it's ACTUALLY ALSO good for people who don't want to have to search for leaked updates/newer custom ROM's etc because it has OTA updates frequently/right away, so it's simple for them to stay current with Android, without having to think or research anything. So this phone has two overall target markets IMO.
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I can't tell you how many people I know personally, that bought into Android and ditched it for an iPhone because they bought a Non-Nexus device that never received updates and was stuck on an old version of Android for FAR TOO LONG.. (in other words, garbage..)
We all know stock Android has come a long way in the last year. Simply too many people have been discouraged from Android with the Non-Nexus experience/fragmentation/lack of updates on other devices.
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If Google flooded this phone to the market (like they should have), because of the attractive price point, spec etc. I personally think that it would capture so many more potential users, who perhaps would not have taken the leap toward Android ordinarily, or maybe to Android but not Nexus - And that's what is important. Little do many know how good the Nexus experience is, until they experience it for themselves. It will change their perspective of Android IMO. The Nexus experience and frequent updates, is what will give Android a really good name. Especially with the features of an OS like Android 4.2 and everything since 4.0. (which have been nothing short of amazing)
Now of course people will still be able to buy this phone is due time, and it's not the end of the world, but time and technology move quick. People don't tend to wait, especially when there are so many other options. And how do we know when they next batches are going to be released? could be 2 weeks? 3 days? 1 month? more? Will it sell out again? Maybe.
Nexus phones come out every year. Therefore every week, or month that passes that these users don't have this phone in their hands, the perceived value of the device for the end user will drop, because it will simply be that much less time until the next Nexus is released.
What I'm really getting at here is that I think it would be in Google's best interest to release more Nexus 4 phones as soon as possible. Simply as a good marketing strategy/"seed for growth" for Android. Making it a reality that Nexus phones will go into the hands of many more users, will be the eye-opener for people to realize Android is the best mobile operating system currently. Especially when I can see on this board alone that many people are switching from Non-Nexus devices to this Nexus. Sadly, other Non-Nexus devices won't stand true to this name, because it's not up to Google to update them, it's mostly up to the manufacturers and service providers to release updates, which as we know doesn't always go ahead as planned.
If I was standing behind Google Android, I know what I would do.

Every point in your post would be irrelevant if the release datr was pushed back. So just image the release date is in 2 weeks and you shall be happy, no?
Also, logistic is not advanced enough to be able to warehouse 30million unit and ship them all in 2 days.
Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of someone in an alternate world where the release was like the 25th. It really won't make you cry as much.

MatAuc12 said:
Every point in your post would be irrelevant if the release datr was pushed back. So just image the release date is in 2 weeks and you shall be happy, no?
Also, logistic is not advanced enough to be able to warehouse 30million unit and ship them all in 2 days.
Seriously, put yourself in the shoes of someone in an alternate world where the release was like the 25th. It really won't make you cry as much.
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30 mil units lol.. buddy u clearly haven't understood possibly how little devices they had stocked.
talking about a later release date and a launch date that completely failed are two completely different things, you're clearly missing the point here

UKROB86 said:
If I was standing behind Google Android, I know what I would do.
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We don't. What would you do? You'd make more devices appear out of thin air?
Your entire argument is based around the conspiracy theory that Google is not trying to do whatever they can as fast as they can. You don't know that, you can't know that. They (and LG) can only produce devices so fast.
Although hype and demand are great, every time you have a stock-out situation, you potentially lose a sale. People get annoyed, they change their minds, or they spend their money on something else.
As far as I'm concerned, money in hand today is better than potential future sales.

man, a lot of butt hurt people who didn't get the Nexus 4 are spewing rage threads left and right.
Demand > Supply.

TheFiveDots said:
We don't. What would you do? You'd make more devices appear out of thin air?
Your entire argument is based around the conspiracy theory that Google is not trying to do whatever they can as fast as they can. You don't know that, you can't know that. They (and LG) can only produce devices so fast.
Although hype and demand are great, every time you have a stock-out situation, you potentially lose a sale. People get annoyed, they change their minds, or they spend their money on something else.
As far as I'm concerned, money in hand today is better than potential future sales.
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oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claimed "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"

UKROB86 said:
oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claim "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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None of that is valid without evidence of exactly how many devices Google had prepared for launch. And if it was a unreasonably low amount, what factors impacted the availability of additional units.

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TheFiveDots said:
None of that is valid without evidence of exactly how many devices Google had prepared for launch. And if it was a unreasonably low amount, what factors impacted the availability of additional units.
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my point was not what factors impacted the availability of additional units, but the fact that when people are delayed a product with only a 1-year useful life span with it's successor only 1 year away, many will start looking elsewhere.
Plus if you read all what I wrote, I was explaining the importance of putting Nexus phones in the hands of as many users as possible, so they don't have to be disappointed with a non-Nexus device and lack of updates again...
We all know Google had the power to release more units on launch date. Regardless of how many units they did or didn't release.

UKROB86 said:
my point was not what factors impacted the availability of additional units, but the fact that when people are delayed a product with only a 1-year useful life span with it's successor only 1 year away, many will start looking elsewhere.
Plus if you read all what I wrote, I was explaining the importance of putting Nexus phones in the hands of as many users as possible, so they don't have to be disappointed with a non-Nexus device and lack of updates again...
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I agree that getting a Nexus device in the hands of as many people as possible is necessary for Android's success. Definitely. And frankly I'm quite convinced that Google does not care about the other players in the Android market at this point or about the openness, etc. of Android nearly as much as people think (or would like to think). They've got one thing in their sights: Apple. And they'd be crazy not to. They are well aware that 35 different Android phones all poorly-skinned and slowly updated is never going to compete. The problem with these forums is developers think they sell phones. They don't. They are the 1%. Consumers don't care about many, many of the things you look for in a phone but they buy the most of them while being the least vocal. They are the money.
What I disagree with is that the implication that Google intentionally did not have enough units on hand. Forecasting supply and demand is very difficult, and the fastest way to sink the ship is to have expensive hardware laying around - especially, like you said, when that hardware only has a 1-year lifespan and you're already selling it at a discount.

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I agree that getting a Nexus device in the hands of as many people as possible is necessary for Android's success. Definitely. And frankly I'm quite convinced that Google does not care about the other players in the Android market at this point or about the openness, etc. of Android nearly as much as people think (or would like to think). They've got one thing in their sights: Apple. And they'd be crazy not to. They are well aware that 35 different Android phones all poorly-skinned and slowly updated is never going to compete. The problem with these forums is developers think they sell phones. They don't. They are the 1%. Consumers don't care about many, many of the things you look for in a phone but they buy the most of them while being the least vocal. They are the money.
What I disagree with is that the implication that Google intentionally did not have enough units on hand. Forecasting supply and demand is very difficult, and the fastest way to sink the ship is to have expensive hardware laying around - especially, like you said, when that hardware only has a 1-year lifespan and you're already selling it at a discount.
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Firstly, glad to see you agree that Nexus devices are the key to Androids success.
I see your points on having over-stock can be detrimental to a companies success, however pre-orders can forecast sales extremely accurately. After-all it's a pre-order.
And in regards to your comments on developers buying phones, being nothing but a small percent.. I agree. BUT I was emphasizing how I think that with this Nexus device, finally we do have a device that has many of the features that the average consumers do look for in a phone, therefore potentially generating massive amounts of money for Google, if they had understood that this phone is no longer targeting only a niche market of dev's. And quite frankly I think it was obvious to see that this device had reached out to more target markets than prior Nexus devices, it doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out. And again, pre-orders would tell us just that.

I doubt Google will care what a couple of impatient little babies are complaining about. "I couldnt order the new phone the first day it came out and everyone tried to order at the same time."

sroach23 said:
I doubt Google will care what a couple of impatient little babies are complaining about. "I couldnt order the new phone the first day it came out and everyone tried to order at the same time."
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lol somebody didn't read the first post, AT ALL.

UKROB86 said:
I see your points on having over-stock can be detrimental to a companies success, however pre-orders can forecast sales extremely accurately. After-all it's a pre-order.
And in regards to the comments on developers buying phones, I was emphasizing how I think that with this Nexus device, finally we do have a device that has many of the features that the average consumers do look for in a phone, therefore potentially generating massive amounts of money for Google, if they understood that this phone is no longer targeting only a niche market of dev's. And quite frankly I think it was obvious to see that this device had reached out to more target markets than prior Nexus devices, it doesn't take Einstein to figure that one out.
And again, pre-orders would tell us just that.
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Sorry, the comments about developers were mostly a personal rant. I get frustrated when people are too close to the issue to fully see it. Ironically, while vanilla Android and a Nexus device are the most developer-friendly, the are most the most consumer-friendly too. When I moved to CM10 on my S3, I found a) the interface more pleasing and much more cohesive, b) easier to navigate. Samsung really went out of their to bury options and settings in TouchWiz and their idea of pleasing interface design is questionable. Must be painful for their developers to actively make something less appealing and more complicated. I digress.
I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.

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I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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This is one of the things that failed before with the N7 release. Some stores jumped the gun and started selling earlier than Google sent out preorders.
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gbroon said:
This is one of the things that failed before with the N7 release. Some stores jumped the gun and started selling earlier than Google sent out preorders.
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Not talking about stores. Was more of along the lines that if they take pre-orders in October with the release day being November 13th, they ship pre-orders with 2-day shipping on the 11th. Walk-up online sales begin on the 13th, as well as in-store sales where applicable. Sure, some people may get a phone a day early or a day late, but it's more exciting than nobody getting a phone.
Stores are entrusted to release inventory at certain times frequently, that's a whole different issue.

TheFiveDots said:
Sorry, the comments about developers were mostly a personal rant. I get frustrated when people are too close to the issue to fully see it. Ironically, while vanilla Android and a Nexus device are the most developer-friendly, the are most the most consumer-friendly too. When I moved to CM10 on my S3, I found a) the interface more pleasing and much more cohesive, b) easier to navigate. Samsung really went out of their to bury options and settings in TouchWiz and their idea of pleasing interface design is questionable. Must be painful for their developers to actively make something less appealing and more complicated. I digress.
I do feel that splitting stock between pre-orders and "walk-up" sales would've been a good strategy. Especially because you could've had devices in peoples hands for launch day, which would've meant an actual launch day rather than just being available to purchase -- which isn't excited at all from a marketing standpoint.
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Exactly what I was trying to say. Vanilla devices being more Dev-friendly AND more Consumer-friendly. Well said. This is why it is so important to make these devices available to consumers.
Pre-orders are definitely the way to go to gauge consumer demand, especially when you can start pre-orders a month in advance.

UKROB86 said:
oh because mass production facilities in this day and age, cannot provide more devices than what Google offered on launch?! come on.. look at how many iPhones can sell on a launch. They had the power to make more devices, and they could have taken preorders, and then still claimed "sold out" on the launch day if they really wanted to pull the "marketing scheme"
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Do you know that aside from the Sprint version, all the IP5 are on back order with a minimum waiting time of 2-3 weeks.
If Apple cant keep the in stock, what makes you think that Google could??
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Exactly what I was trying to say. Vanilla devices being more Dev-friendly AND more Consumer-friendly. Well said. This is why it is so important to make these devices available to consumers.
Pre-orders are definitely the way to go to gauge consumer demand, especially when you can start pre-orders a month in advance.
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Even if you pre-ordered that doesn't guaranteed that will be enough for every one, look @ the IP5 for proof of that.
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Do you know that aside from the Sprint version, all the IP5 are on back order with a minimum waiting time of 2-3 weeks.
If Apple cant keep the in stock, what makes you think that Google could??
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Even if you pre-ordered that doesn't guaranteed that will be enough for every one, look @ the IP5 for proof of that.
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Well, to be fair, the iPhone 5 and Nexus 4 are in different leagues in terms of demand. And Google has a hardware partner with years of experience in manufacturing and delivering high-volume electronic goods.
And simple -- limit pre-orders to your actual supply or a fraction thereof.

It's honestly been one day since the release. If you don't get a product on launch day it doesn't mean that the company is failing >.>

At what point does the Nexus 4 launch officially become a failure?

I was disappointed to find the Play store broken and then the Nexus 4 sold out when it reappeared on the day of it's "launch".
Probably not as disappointed as the people who did place an order and then didn't get their phone and are still waiting though.
With no idea of when it's coming back into stock and the busiest shopping day of the year in the US tomorrow, the Nexus 4 is going to lose the traction in the media and minds of the public that it had.
If the rumors about no stock until December are true, a lot of people will buy something else. As it is, there are already new handsets appearing (like the HTC Droid DNA) and if we see similar shortages and a similar clusterf*** on the sales and fulfillment side of things, getting phones before Xmas could well be doubtful, certainly getting a defective phone could mean no chance of a return/replacement if being purchase for a Christmas present.
I had to laugh when many of the Android blogs are leading with a story about the official N4 bumper case... and the comments to those articles are full of anger from Google customers still waiting for the phone, never mind the case.
When do you call this "launch" more of a failure to launch?
As far as I am concerned, it's a FAIL.

I guess it depends on who's looking at it,right?
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Yep. Point of view is key. Phone sold out in under an hour due to massive demand? People so eager to get their hands on it they resort to overpriced Ebay and store sales. That's a marketing department's wet dream.

Cactus42 said:
Yep. Point of view is key. Phone sold out in under an hour due to massive demand? People so eager to get their hands on it they resort to overpriced Ebay and store sales. That's a marketing department's wet dream.
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It's easy to sell anything out if you only have a tiny number of them
And with no system for taking orders, no information of when new stock is arriving and in some cases no shipping date for people who did manage to order, I'd say a lot of that demand could trickle away.
They are certainly making Apple look good.

Another useless thread.... It is what it is. Starting another thread isn't going to fix anything.

As far as I'm concerned, this has already been a fail for Google. It is their second time they've failed miserably with the selling of a Nexus device. They just can't seem to learn...

milesg said:
It's easy to sell anything out if you only have a tiny number of them
And with no system for taking orders, no information of when new stock is arriving and in some cases no shipping date for people who did manage to order, I'd say a lot of that demand could trickle away.
They are certainly making Apple look good.
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If you can let us know how many Google had for sale that would be nice, as I take it you have the exact stock numbers to back that statement up.

The Nexus 4 is a marketing win for Google and the Android brand. Whether we get to use or like the phone is besides the point. Reviews of the glass sealed phone have been written and published. Done. On to the next Nexus phone for Google.

milesg said:
It's easy to sell anything out if you only have a tiny number of them
And with no system for taking orders, no information of when new stock is arriving and in some cases no shipping date for people who did manage to order, I'd say a lot of that demand could trickle away.
They are certainly making Apple look good.
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I'd love to know the total number of 4's sold before they were all gone.

Epic success as far as I'm concerned.
Swiped from my nexus 4

Cactus42 said:
If you can let us know how many Google had for sale that would be nice, as I take it you have the exact stock numbers to back that statement up.
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Why would I need the exact stock numbers? I just stated that when you introduce very few devices into the channel, it's easy to sell out and create the impression of big sales.
Apple have been doing this for years.
Did it take Google by surprise? That a phone they've been pushing... sorry... leaking, for 2 months and got blanket press coverage - which was then sold at an abnormally low price - sold out quickly.
Man, that is such a surprise! And after the Nexus 7 as well!
The big surprise is that 10 days later they still haven't got any more stock and are about to enter the run up to Christmas, with, yes, you guessed it, no stock and no word on when they will have stock.
I recommended the Nexus 4 to three friends, one of whom dropped their iPhone 4 into water at the end of last month and was looking for a replacement. They won't wait for ever and that guy went out and bought an iPhone 4S yesterday.

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Another useless thread.... It is what it is. Starting another thread isn't going to fix anything.
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Do threads have to fix something?

It failed Nov 13
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That's a marketing department's wet dream.
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Meanwhile, at Google HQ
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There, I fixed it for you.

If you had your device you wouldn't be calling it a fail. Be a good boy and go back to your corner and wait patiently. Like everyone else fyi...this doesn't speed up the process
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium

I have my N4 and the failure began on the 13th when Google didn't ship on a first come basis.
The failure continued with Google's refusal to acknowledge customer's complaints and did not relay correct information to support.
I understand how a big launch works and I understand **** happens, but Google's ignoring of the issues and leaving support to fend for themselves by lying does nothing but harm the reputation of the company and hurts the consumer.
I know I will think twice about ordering from the Play store again, I didn't learn my lesson with the N7.

Love this phone !!!
Only ones that are calling it a fail are ones that didn't get one,and tell the truth ID prob be right there pissed off 2 if i didn't get mine , but as soon as they become available agn those people will be first ones right there buying one . Google didn't fail Google did it exactly like they wanted to , its Google they do what they want

unlvmike said:
If you had your device you wouldn't be calling it a fail
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I would be, because as I mentioned above, I recommended this phone to other people.
Almost normal people.
You know - the kind of people who don't sit next to their browser hitting the refresh button 20 times a minute.
It's quite normal to sell out of a new device at launch. It's less normal to then have no stock for 10 days and no information.
(Although I grant you, it's quite normal for Google to not give information).

Sold out. Good phone. Therefore not a failure imo.

Nexus 4 - Round 2 for international stores

It looks like lots of people who bought it in the US on the 27th have had their orders shipped. I would rather not go through that thread looking for updates when it's just people discussing when their package will be delivered. It's also been a few days since US store opened.
Let's dedicate this thread for the international play stores like Canada, UK, Germany, Australia, Spain, etc.
Here's some links from the original thread, thanks to tuffballa:
Play Store Availability APP: download this app straight from the play store to track new n4 stocks!
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...yLm5vdGlmaWVycy5hbmRyb2lkNGluc3RvY2thbGFybSJd
External availability:
http://negrielectronics.com/lg-e960-nexus-4-16gb-unlocked-black.html#.ULaC7uRkjy0
http://negrielectronics.com/lg-e960-nexus-4-8gb-unlocked-black.html#.UK5A9uRkjy0
http://www.expansys.ca/google-lg-nexus-4-android-smartphone-8gb-unlocked-239759/
There is one thread I'm keeping an eye on, where a person is calling Google Play every day for Canada ETA. It's not much reliable info but might as well stoke the fire.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/mobile/9qI_Lvj8ivU/RVBn2cb4whEJ
Germany may have it on Dec 6?
http://www.giga.de/smartphones/das-...nd-bilder/news/nexus-4-bald-wieder-verfugbar/

My 2 cents - I like the idea of a new thread. Perhaps we could have in the OP the latest news / rumors for the international stores (or even US if they have stopped allowing new orders) about when new orders may go up. I made a mention on G+ to the Google Canada peeps but got no response (not that I expected one!). My gut tells me next week at least one international store will get sales going again..
I'm waiting until January before I go with a different phone, but my 2010 Acer phone is repeatly begging me to put it out of it's misery..

I'd support for another thread so that I do not open the old round 2 thread for the information that I don't need. That said, I guess this will still be closed.

So what's peoples' opinion on whether the international stock will be same as US? I really can't see them opening up stores in Canada or EU and start with 4-5 backorder. That's essentially giving US a week head start on orders.

Don't close this thread. Seriously. I'm sick of seeing threads invaded by "OMG WHY ISN'T MY PHONE HERE YET I ORDERED IT 5 MINUTES AGO!!!!" in ALL threads. We need a place where we can get USEFUL information without having to sift through all the whiners that are pissed that they have an order gone through already.
I swear, when they open up purchasing for Canada, I'll buy one and I'll be patient as hell. Because it's massively irritating...
Koraboros, please keep the OP updated if you can.

karendar said:
I'm sick of seeing threads invaded by "OMG WHY ISN'T MY PHONE HERE YET I ORDERED IT 5 MINUTES AGO!!!!" in ALL threads. We need a place where we can get USEFUL information without having to sift through all the whiners that are pissed that they have an order gone through already.
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That's pretty much why I created this thread. All day I look for updates and then open up a thread and it's all about people who've ordered already and are just wondering if their phone is going to be there either today or tomorrow

Koraboros said:
So what's peoples' opinion on whether the international stock will be same as US? I really can't see them opening up stores in Canada or EU and start with 4-5 backorder. That's essentially giving US a week head start on orders.
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Well that's the real question... if the US is looking at 4-5 weeks for their current orders, all of these phones come from the same manufacturing plant right? I'm beginning to think perhaps the agreement with LG is just not allowing sufficient stock to be built to cover the demand of the US, much less the rest of the planet.
That's why I'm saying I give them December - but I could quite possibly see them essentially blocking international sales for the next few months and only focusing on one region. Complete speculation here - don't take this as any sort of fact please.
With that said, I found this interesting: http://www.androidcentral.com/nexus-4-gets-high-demand-status-ebay
Are any international stores planning on carrying the Nexus 4 like T-Mobile in the US?

Reapman said:
Well that's the real question... if the US is looking at 4-5 weeks for their current orders, all of these phones come from the same manufacturing plant right? I'm beginning to think perhaps the agreement with LG is just not allowing sufficient stock to be built to cover the demand of the US, much less the rest of the planet.
That's why I'm saying I give them December - but I could quite possibly see them essentially blocking international sales for the next few months and only focusing on one region. Complete speculation here - don't take this as any sort of fact please.
With that said, I found this interesting: http://www.androidcentral.com/nexus-4-gets-high-demand-status-ebay
Are any international stores planning on carrying the Nexus 4 like T-Mobile in the US?
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Nice article... just brings to light the misjudgment on Google's part to not have a reasonable limit per order in the first round...
As for international stores I think O2 in the UK will carry it? I'm hoping Best Buy or Future shop will carry it as well but I doubt it since it's not locked to a carrier.

I won't be patient, but I'll at least try not to moan

OP, it would be good to move the original "round 2" op inform to here...no need to include n4checker
I also think it might be helpful to indicate the country when one posts any rumor or speculation given the fact this is an international thread. Just a thought.
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Koraboros said:
Nice article... just brings to light the misjudgment on Google's part to not have a reasonable limit per order in the first round...
As for international stores I think O2 in the UK will carry it? I'm hoping Best Buy or Future shop will carry it as well but I doubt it since it's not locked to a carrier.
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Two German stores will have them. Both of them have preorder option.

Waiting patiently until the Nexus 4 shows up in the UK.
I really hope it's going to be the next week, however, from all the rumors it seems like it's 13 December.
Sent from my Galaxy S2 using Tapatalk 2

If anyone wants to try it out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nexus-4-lightly-used-/230890187657?pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item35c220ab89

Not that I want an 8GB but I got angry when I saw this.
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alwaysbboy said:
Waiting patiently until the Nexus 4 shows up in the UK.
I really hope it's going to be the next week, however, from all the rumors it seems like it's 13 December.
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13th is just when o2 lose exclusivity and other carriers can offer it, three will be overcharging for it then.
Play store doesn't have this restriction its just a matter of when Google get their finger out.
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AdamUpNorth said:
I got angry when I saw this.
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You mean when reading the thread title? Hmm maybe re-labeling the thread to something like "International Round 2 Support Group?"
Woo 13th for UK - even if only a rumor, at least it's some info. Good Luck to the Brits, wonder if any other countries have dates?
Edit: I think I misunderstood what you were sayin Adam, my bad!

Reapman said:
You mean when reading the thread title? Hmm maybe re-labeling the thread to something like "International Round 2 Support Group?"
Woo 13th for UK - even if only a rumor, at least it's some info. Good Luck to the Brits, wonder if any other countries have dates?
Edit: I think I misunderstood what you were sayin Adam, my bad!
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No worries. This is my support group. LOL.
I saw I guy selling a 16GB for $650 on Kijiji yesterday and now this guy selling FOUR 8GB units.
And here we are with nothing. Annoying.
That's my angry post for the week. No more until next week.

Added a link to Expansys.ca. Looks like they have it for pre-order.
http://www.expansys.ca/google-lg-nexus-4-android-smartphone-8gb-unlocked-239759/

AdamUpNorth said:
No worries. This is my support group. LOL.
I saw I guy selling a 16GB for $650 on Kijiji yesterday and now this guy selling FOUR 8GB units.
And here we are with nothing. Annoying.
That's my angry post for the week. No more until next week.
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da hell? I'd be angry too (can't see the picture, probably my work blocking it.. speaking of i should probably go get some work done )
frig...

Koraboros said:
Added a link to Expansys.ca. Looks like they have it for pre-order.
http://www.expansys.ca/google-lg-nexus-4-android-smartphone-8gb-unlocked-239759/
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8GB boo.
I'm going to keep tweeting and Google+ing Google until they bring this back to Canada. Makes me so mad.

something from Germany:
http://www.giga.de/smartphones/das-...nd-bilder/news/nexus-4-bald-wieder-verfugbar/
A Mail from play store support saying that they will have it in stock on 6.12

Nexus4 Body case defect ???

Dear Nexus User,
I finally found people who are discussing those two nubs !!!
I also read another post which discuss this issue and I actually totally disagree with the function of those two tiny nubs are actually the upgraded of the phone:silly:: stop sliding on the surface ? or helps the sound comes out better ? As someone mentioned already they are not even noticeable, and they are tiny ... so if they are tiny and not noticeable how could that be possible to help with those two issue? And Also there are no official announcement from Google ( Please share the link if anyone find the official announcement from Google ) . I feel like if they really are the upgrade of the design, it'll be a little absurd because I don't think the tiny nubs works that way....except giving you a weird scratchy feel when you holding it.
In my case I already filed the phone back 3 times. If it is really a new design, the SC or specialists from Google would tell me instead of letting me keep filing the new replacement. In fact, I had talked with their adviser, and the respond was the tiny nubs are not supposed to be there.....
I am trying to argue with anyone.....So... peace out
So my feeling is the entire production line has some issue and no one notice it ....

Ben Chuang said:
Dear Nexus User,
I finally found people who are discussing those two nubs !!!
I also read another post which discuss this issue and I actually totally disagree with the function of those two tiny nubs are actually the upgraded of the phone:silly:: stop sliding on the surface ? or helps the sound comes out better ? As someone mentioned already they are not even noticeable, and they are tiny ... so if they are tiny and not noticeable how could that be possible to help with those two issue? And Also there are no official announcement from Google ( Please share the line if anyone find the official announcement from Google ) . I feel like if they really are the upgrade of the design, it'll be a little absurd because I don't think the tiny nubs works that way....except giving you a weird scratchy feel when you holding it.
In my case I already filed the phone back 3 times. If it is really a new design, the SC or specialists from Google would tell me instead of letting me keep filing the new replacement. In fact, I had talked with their adviser, and the respond was the tiny nubs are not supposed to be there.....
I am trying to argue with anyone.....So... peace out
So my feeling is the entire production line has some issue and no one notice it ....
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?????

WTF??????????

Lol you're filing the phone down ??? Haha
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda app-developers app

those nubs are there so it won't slide off the table or help the speaker when its laying flat
www.reddit.com/r/nexus4/comments/1aruep/can_anyone_else_confirm_that_new_models_of_the/

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If tweaked design is for the stability of the phone on flat surface, where it shouldn't slide..then i think that would be majorly for the people who do not use cases. I always have a case on so these nubs do not make no difference at all.

Ben Chuang said:
And Also there are no official announcement from Google ( Please share the line if anyone find the official announcement from Google ) .
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ok;
i just got off the phone with Gogle's Media Relations department, and they have given me exclusive access to the press release for unveiling here at XDA forums !!!!!!!!!!!
its official dude !!!!!
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MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (March 24, 2013) - Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG)
announced today the addition of 'nubs' on its recently released Nexus 4 device. The new 'nubs' have been specially designed through the tireless efforts of our dedicated and talented engineering team here at the Android Labs (c) division of Google Inc., to drive XDA user 'Ben Chuang' absolutely nuts, and drive him to post nonsensical, and horribly written threads in which he will forever be known as a 'noob'. Stay tuned throughout the rest of 2013, as our new line of Google 'X' devices, will have an upgraded set of 'nubs'; this time, larger, and made of natural diamond, placed in all four corners, so users wont deface their phones with metal files. We have even more in store for 2014 ! Exciting times ! thank you for being a valued Google customer, and we look forward to serving you in the future ! Viva android ! **** apple !
About Google Inc.
Google is a global technology leader focused on improving the ways people connect with information. Google’s innovations in web search and advertising have made its website a top internet property and its brand one of the most recognized in the world.
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Google is a trademark of Google Inc. All other company and product names may be trademarks of the respective companies with which they are associated.
wow !
so there you have it folks ! official word for google !

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Ha... thanks for everyone, I always enjoy to watch people's reply and those funny picture .....:good:

How can two perfectly placed nubs on, not one but 3 devices, be a defect?

Rizy7 said:
How can two perfectly placed nubs on, not one but 3 devices, be a defect?
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Isn't it coming from disassembling the case part at the factory ? that's why it has on every phone and exactly same position

Wow dude you are picky. Anyways, they DO help the sound, try sliding the phone off the edge of the table just enough to get the nubs in the air, there is a difference in the sound. Secondly, they don't even kind of look like a defect, they look like they are meant to be there. There is no funkiness or strange casting lines indicating otherwise. Third, why is this such a huge factor to you? You said you use a case anyways... What am I missing? Check your other phones, my fascinate has a bump around the speaker and so did my G1. I don't know why Google would feel that they have to publicly announce something this minor.

I happen to like my nubs
Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

You seriously sent 3 phones back just because of those 2 nubs...? I kind of feel sorry for Google/LG to give warranties like this now..

tongjia19 said:
You seriously sent 3 phones back just because of those 2 nubs...? I kind of feel sorry for Google/LG to give warranties like this now..
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yep~ that's why I thought something must be wrong, otherwise they would just tell me is the new design not defect !!!

wavrunrx said:
ok;
i just got off the phone with Gogle's Media Relations department, and they have given me exclusive access to the press release for unveiling here at XDA forums !!!!!!!!!!!
its official dude !!!!!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. (March 24, 2013) - Google Inc. (NASDAQ:GOOG)
announced today the addition of 'nubs' on its recently released Nexus 4 device. The new 'nubs' have been specially designed through the tireless efforts of our dedicated and talented engineering team here at the Android Labs (c) division of Google Inc., to drive XDA user 'Ben Chuang' absolutely nuts, and drive him to post nonsensical, and horribly written threads in which he will forever be known as a 'noob'. Stay tuned throughout the rest of 2013, as our new line of Google 'X' devices, will have an upgraded set of 'nubs'; this time, larger, and made of natural diamond, placed in all four corners, so users wont deface their phones with metal files. We have even more in store for 2014 ! Exciting times ! thank you for being a valued Google customer, and we look forward to serving you in the future ! Viva android ! **** apple !
About Google Inc.
Google is a global technology leader focused on improving the ways people connect with information. Google’s innovations in web search and advertising have made its website a top internet property and its brand one of the most recognized in the world.
###
Google is a trademark of Google Inc. All other company and product names may be trademarks of the respective companies with which they are associated.
wow !
so there you have it folks ! official word for google !
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Haha... good one....
anyway , I actually called them today, because didn't get any respond from RMA dept. and try to figure out what the problem is, and they didn't claim that there are any new design on the nexus 4.

I don't think he knows that he's getting trolled.
Sent from my Nexus 4 using xda premium

Ben Chuang said:
Haha... good one....
anyway , I actually called them today, because didn't get any respond from RMA dept. and try to figure out what the problem is, and they didn't claim that there are any new design on the nexus 4.
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You know that the people that answer the phones for Google don't actually work for Google right? They are an answering service contracted by Google to be customer service reps so they have no real info to give u. I learned this during the great limbo days after I ordered on release day November 13th during my multiple calls to Google.
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