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My brother is gonna enter the ANDROID contest he has good It knowledge but the contest will reward mostly original and break through innovative idea
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so we're gathering any comment or idea on what you would like to see on your mobile.Thanks in advance!
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I would like to see Windows Mobile 6 on my phone so I can program in C# with the .NET framework that I'm already familiar with and have the tools for
I'm really not sure what developers will take up Android as it is just something extra to learn to achieve something that is already possible to do anyway. Open source or closed source doesn't make a difference to how well adopted a device OS becomes with developers, it's the tools and how well they are supported and it will take very much work for Android to have the sort of tools we see available for the compact framework in my opinion.
While MS has it bashers it certainly doesn't have a lack of support from developers as you only have to look at all the applications that are available for Windows Mobile, many are free, many not costing very much. Who needs yet another incompatible mobile device?
I don't see Android doing anything much any time soon. Just my opinion.
Regards
Phil

A good article to read for an opinion contrary to the OH MY GOD ANDROID IS COOL GOOGLE WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE MARKET mentality:
Article on Microsoft Watch

private69 said:
My brother is gonna enter the ANDROID contest he has good It knowledge but the contest will reward mostly original and break through innovative idea
so we're gathering any comment or idea on what you would like to see on your mobile.Thanks in advance!
Private69.
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LOL. Who isn't joining the ANDROID contest? I know I will. A cool $25k no questions asked, maybe even $300k or more? I'm sure I'll spend a week trying to make something for that!
Asking other people for ideas is a bit lame though. Essentially you are asking them to provide you with the grail to heaps of cash, for what?

I wanna see Android on my Wing! or matter of fact any HTC Device!
tell your brother to put Android on HTC, and im sure he'll win lots of money!

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A good article to read for an opinion contrary to the OH MY GOD ANDROID IS COOL GOOGLE WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE MARKET mentality:
Article on Microsoft Watch
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What the? It's interesting how the spin can go isn't it?
Hell I don't know how preditory Google is, BUT, I don't recall Microsoft giving the source code out to Windows Mobile, and then offering 10 MILLION dollars in an OPEN invitation to to the world of developers in a challenge to make "Andriod" do as they will "it" to do with their insight and skills.
What a crock article...

RemE said:
What the? It's interesting how the spin can go isn't it?
Hell I don't know how preditory Google is, BUT, I don't recall Microsoft giving the source code out to Windows Mobile, and then offering 10 MILLION dollars in an OPEN invitation to to the world of developers in a challenge to make "Andriod" do as they will "it" to do with their insight and skills.
What a crock article...
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I agree - what the!
I take the Android name to mean a device that will serve your needs? Perhaps as opposed to WM where you spend a lot of time fighting the device just to get it to do what you want...
I think MS have reason to be worried - my understanding is that Android is the first serious attempt at a (open!) GUI layer for Linux running on a ARM/XScale mobile device architecture. Pretty much invading the space that MS have had to themselves for a while now.
Linux has been capable of running on these devices for some time, but usually has been limited to embedded applications as there hasn't been the impetus to seriously develop it for consumer applications. I believe that the iPhone uses a Linux core, but Apple shot themselves in the foot a bit by making the GUI layer closed.

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Hell I don't know how preditory Google is, BUT, I don't recall Microsoft giving the source code out to Windows Mobile, and then offering 10 MILLION dollars in an OPEN invitation to to the world of developers in a challenge to make "Andriod" do as they will "it" to do with their insight and skills.
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Google are simply paying for development through prizes rather than trying to recruit the traditional way, may even be some tax benefits in giving away prize money in this way. I
What is in it for Google is getting the Google search page on millions of mobile phones, which of course will increase their advertising revenues.
Ironically when Microsoft give away software or pre-set their own search engine on Windows desktops they get into no end of trouble for it, yet Google is doing the same thing surely?
Google or Microsoft, free open source with prize money or a license fee and employed developers, either way it's just each company continuing their revenue streams in the way they see fit.
Regards
Phil

if anyone wants to help on running android on a axim x50v or another htc device go to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076

I would love to see a Geocaching app for android. I currently use smache. So there is an idea for you.
www.geocaching.com
www.cyancanyon.com/software/smache/

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if anyone wants to help on running android on a axim x50v or another htc device go to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076
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thanks.
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I think the point behind the development prize, is its a great way to kick start the platform, because Google can go 'look at all the software options available', something which took time to get going on many platforms. Just look at Symbian, which has taken a couple of years to start getting some good apps, and Palm is suffering (in part) with developers switching to the Microsoft platform, hence some of the thinking behind switching some Palm hardware to run WinMobile. I've owned a number of smart phones over the years (Nokia 9110 anyone?) and they've all suffered from a tiny developer network - even java mobile apps aren't always consistent across devices.
Hopefully we'll see similar development work happen in the way that XDA Developers has helped the WM cause - it certainly influenced my decision to stick with WM for my recent refresh, and I'm certainly intending to checkout the devices when they're released (at around the same time as my contract is up for renewal) to see if its worth migrating.
Also, another point is that Android is based around Java, so anyone with Java development experience should be able to pick up and run with the platform. And the SDK and dev environment is FREE! Id like to try writing apps for WM, but I only want to tinker, so can't justify buying Visual Studio or any of the other payed for development environments. I'm tinkering with MortScript, but its not exactly a proper SDK!
I for one can't wait to see the devices that Android runs on, and see the applications that come about because of this contest!

When will we have the Android platform
on the wm6
I have a At&t Tilt

XDA Branding: MBA study

Hey guys. Sorry to cross post this (not sure which forum is best) but I wonder if you might like to help with some research?
I am writing an MBA case study on the branding of HTC, calling it 'the best company you've never heard of'.
I have had HTC phones from the very earliest days, discovering XDA-Developers.com about 7 years ago; I owe the devs here so much for their ROMs and good advice (currently using a Jade with pda-viet's 6.5 rom,waiting for he passion to come out to try my first android handset).
Anyway, two things have always amazed me:
1. That a company like HTC has taken such a weird approach to branding (compared to motorola, SE, Nokia and, oh, I don't know, Apple?) and has only in the last year or so decided to start to invest in their brand.
2. That despite their relative anonymity, the 'tribe' that they have managed to assemble around them to promote, support and fix their products globally (that's you guys) are so incredible.
I was wondering if any of you might have any comments about either the branding/marketing of the company (any direct experience of them?) or your experiences of being part of their brand 'tribe'?
I'd really appreciate any comments any of you may have; would really help me to understand the company and hopefully a. get them better known through the case study and b. get a great mark in my MBA.
Thanks so much for any help.
Jo

MBA branding research
Mod Edit: You were correct about cross-posting. This is not permitted. I have removed the thread in the About Forum. (About is for matters "about" XDA-Developers)
I have also merged replies into this thread.
Mike

i think that one of the reasons they are sold under different brands is because they dont want to market the phones them selfves.
anyone think so>?
flyboy

It may appear that hTC have taken an unusual approach to marketing and promotion, but it is certainly not an unusual approach in business terms. In fact the concept of manufacturing goods to order for suppliers who have ready made and recognised brands is remarkably common. Of course most customers never really question whether the product is actually made by the brand name that appears on the case.
Many years ago when I did TV / radio repairs it was not unusual to find identical ocircuitboards and layout insude TVs that were sold under dozens of different brands. I'd say of around 50 brands I'd find maybe only 10 different circuits internally. The same is obviously true of hTC phones = many brands but all made by hTC but with different branded cases. This can be a good marketing strategy and is comparatively risk free if the deals with the brand companies are for fixed volume sales. If you can sell 10,000 units, but you don't have to market them or sell them to the public, that is a very stable and profitable position. Look at all the brands of flat screen panel TVs in the shops (dozens of them) but actually there are only a handful of manufacturers and most folk will never have heard of them. That situation nearly always changes though, once the product becomes a top seller. The risk of selling directly to the public is then greatly reduced - the high profile brand names having driven the initial public desire for the product.
Keep in mind too, that hTC were amongst the first to sell PDA/Phones with WM. A high risk position would have been to market these products through an unknown company. Far better to sell via high profile brand names. Of course, as these products have become more popular, it is now far less risky for hTC to sell direct to the public. This is of course what they have done in the past two years or so; the product is more popular and they now sell direct.
They have commenced TV advertising following the very obvious success of the iphone. It must have upset them greatly, to see Apple advertising as new products, phones which struggled to provide the functionality that hTC phones have had for years. But Apple do it so well and MOST importantly they market to the GENERAL public, not just geeks and business users. Riding on the success of the iPhone, I believe it is now felt by hTC, that they can also chase the popular, general public, market.
This does not of course mean good news for XDA-Developers (their unofficial support base). It may in fact mean that the whole process of support and development becomes more official - teams of paid developers etc etc. This could mean that the old voluntary developer type forum becomes something they no longer wish to unofficially support. We will need to wait to see whether success brings more work and more to develop by XDA-Developers or on the contrary; a clamping down by hTC and M$.
Remember, mass market success is not about small groups of geeky developers sitting at home and posting on the net, it is about applications that will be marketed and officially supported and therefore controlled by hTC and M$.
Mike
PS
... hTC are a highly successful company - in fact phenomenal success in just a few years - I wish I had bought shares. We can all point at Apple's success with the iPhone, but really the idea of licencing your produts for use on devices made by other people is a better more profitable model. Look at how much more successful M$ has been than Apple. That is because their software is licenced for use on ANY PC made by anybody. It essentially means you get lots of other people to sell your product for you. (it almost does not matter if folk have heard of you or not) Of course your product must work well - and if competition comes along (eg Apple), you MUST improve or die.

Interesting
Thanks for your response; I agree with all your key points, in particular the danger of going mainstream regarding the dev community (particularly here).
I've attached an early draft of my report; would be interested in any feedback, particularly insights into marketing decisions and likely outcomes of the collapse of WinMo and the shift to Android.
Merry Christmas

pounana said:
Thanks for your response; I agree with all your key points, in particular the danger of going mainstream regarding the dev community (particularly here).
I've attached an early draft of my report; would be interested in any feedback, particularly insights into marketing decisions and likely outcomes of the collapse of WinMo and the shift to Android.
Merry Christmas
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Excellent work. ... and I could'nt find much to argue with... shame I like a good argument.
I suppose out of all the good stuff, a point I felt could be strengthened is the one where a conclusion seems to be drawn that hTC will move away from WM. Yes, we know about Android and yes we know about iPhone but I'm not sure the case is made that hTC will abandon WM/M$. You may well be correct of course and I do recognise the possible departure from the "Tribal" developer communities in the future.
I think moves away from WM may be progressive but not necessarily final. Hving said that the whole OS for mobile market is not a stable one - who would have predicted this three years ago?: (let alone the stunning almost overnight rate of change)
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Of course, and this a point that can be made I think, the iPhone did not simply claim market share from WM it actually expanded the market. ie They have increased the overall size of the market without necessarily reducing sales of WM. Market share is therefore a very misleading figure as in a sense WM is still selling as much as before, just that the market has been doubled (pure guess) in size.
So not a critisicm but perhaps to add a little ooomph to the conclusions, maybe just a bit more in the way of trend facts/statistics to prove the direction of travel (afterall you're preaching to the largely converted here, but I wonder how convinced a hard-bitten academic outsider would be??)​
Nice work, I actually enjoyed reading your monograph and that I cannot say about lots of research pieces​
Mike​
PS... minor thing - from memory the last sentence on p13 I think it was, needs looking at - words have got jumbled somehow. (I know it's a draft)​

TweetComb -- A Twitter client optimized for your Honeycomb tablet

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TweetComb is a Twitter client designed and created exclusively for the Android Honeycomb platform. TweetComb gives you a tablet-friendly view of your Twitter timeline, mentions, direct messages, and more.
Market Link: https://market.android.com/details?id=com.chriswstewart.twitter
Features of TweetComb:
-- Interact with Twitter in a tablet-friendly way with the only Twitter experience designed for Honeycomb.
-- Read your timeline, mentions, and direct messages with three distinct fragments. Each fragment interacts with Twitter for updates independent of the others.
-- When new tweets arrive, TweetComb will alert you with an audio clip.
-- TweetComb gives you an easy way to use and switch between multiple Twitter accounts.
-- From an individual tweet, you can reply, retweet, share, favorite, and send a direct message.
-- Quickly send status updates with full support for cut/copy/paste.
-- Support for sending and replying to direct messages inside the app.
-- TweetComb can be shared to from other apps such as the browser, Newsr, and others.
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Just purchased the app. Looks great. Nice use of the extra real estate.
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You know you'll have to change the name when Ice Cream comes out, right?
I still wonder why someone hasn't taken the name "Chirp" for a Twitter app yet.
Anyways, it looks really nice. I'd be more willing to lay down some cash for it if it had a widget.

Why didnt you make this app backwards compatible with android 2.2? I mean there are many tablets out there, like the galaxy tab and the viewsonic gtab, that are unfortunately stuck on froyo but are still tablets. Couldn't you have made it compatible and set a screen size minimum to 7"? That way you can prevent people from trying to make this work on a 3.5" screen (tho someone would get around it if they REALLY want it) but you keep the millions of froyo tab owners happy (and more $$ in your wallet). For example, take the touchdown exchange app. It automatically detects the larger screen on the tab and adjusts its UI accordingly. For $2.99 I would expect you to put more time and effort into your app because that is expensive for a twitter especially since we know many of the popular twitter apps will offer it for free. I have no problem supporting a dev especially when they go the extra mile to make things work properly across all devices. Making this compatible on the galaxy tab would be evident of this and I would buy it in a heartbeat. Please consider this.

Didnt google release a fragments library or something so this can be done pre-honeycomb?

I hope that you will find some insight to my opinion so I want to share it:
I think that the onslaught of new development for honeycomb tablets is great and I want to encourage it by purchasing these apps. With that said, I seem to be noticing a trend where these apps are coming out and they're basically alpha or beta stage without optimization or some features missing or "planned" with a pricetag and no ad-supported option for the users to download and check out the apps.
If you want to throw a new app out there, and ask us to test and feedback on it for a month... make it free during the development phase or only ad supported, and then when all of the features you are happy with are in and considered "ready to go" publish a paid version of the app and those of us who are really happy about it will gladly go buy it.
What I don't like, is having to pay 2 or 3 bucks for something and make a decision in 15 minutes or less as to whether or not it really works well. You cannot make an informed decision about a product in 15 minutes or less. This is not you the developers fault, and for that I am truly apathetic to your situation. If the 24 hour window still existed, or even if it was expanded to say 2 hours then I probably wouldn't make this post.
To combat the 15 minute window, I request that you consider an ad-supported version for people to spend more than a few minutes checking out.
For what its worth, I like the concept of a tablet optimized twitter client but judging only by screenshots I cannot tell if I would truly be satisfied or even need it as the official twitter app works just fine.

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Why didnt you make this app backwards compatible with android 2.2? I mean there are many tablets out there, like the galaxy tab and the viewsonic gtab, that are unfortunately stuck on froyo but are still tablets. Couldn't you have made it compatible and set a screen size minimum to 7"? That way you can prevent people from trying to make this work on a 3.5" screen (tho someone would get around it if they REALLY want it) but you keep the millions of froyo tab owners happy (and more $$ in your wallet). For example, take the touchdown exchange app. It automatically detects the larger screen on the tab and adjusts its UI accordingly. For $2.99 I would expect you to put more time and effort into your app because that is expensive for a twitter especially since we know many of the popular twitter apps will offer it for free. I have no problem supporting a dev especially when they go the extra mile to make things work properly across all devices. Making this compatible on the galaxy tab would be evident of this and I would buy it in a heartbeat. Please consider this.
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Though I'm loving this on my Xoom, i also have a gtab and if this is possible, would really love to be able to use this on my gtab too.... maybe even phones running froyo? Cos this really look very sweet!
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Didnt google release a fragments library or something so this can be done pre-honeycomb?
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They sure did!
http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2011/03/fragments-for-all.html

ayman07 said:
Why didnt you make this app backwards compatible with android 2.2? I mean there are many tablets out there, like the galaxy tab and the viewsonic gtab, that are unfortunately stuck on froyo but are still tablets. Couldn't you have made it compatible and set a screen size minimum to 7"? That way you can prevent people from trying to make this work on a 3.5" screen (tho someone would get around it if they REALLY want it) but you keep the millions of froyo tab owners happy (and more $$ in your wallet). For example, take the touchdown exchange app. It automatically detects the larger screen on the tab and adjusts its UI accordingly. For $2.99 I would expect you to put more time and effort into your app because that is expensive for a twitter especially since we know many of the popular twitter apps will offer it for free. I have no problem supporting a dev especially when they go the extra mile to make things work properly across all devices. Making this compatible on the galaxy tab would be evident of this and I would buy it in a heartbeat. Please consider this.
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For me, I chose to focus on the tablet OS. While there are a few tablets out there running the phone OS, the trend over the next 6 months will be a whole new set of tablets running Honeycomb. I'd rather work on supporting that platform properly than diverting attention to support a setup that will be a tiny fraction of the market in about a year. I have no intention of bringing Newsr or TweetComb to earlier versions of Android for this reason.
There are Twitter apps, and Google Reader apps for that matter, which run on the phone OS just fine. I saw a market opportunity to make something for Honeycomb, using Honeycomb-specific features (that aren't included in the compat library), for both types of application.
If TweetComb isn't worth $2.99 to you, then I understand. I have put, and will continue to put, a lot of time and effort into it. I've done this with Newsr and will continue to with both. I'm not a company that can afford to put out free applications and hope I gain substantial market share to become attractive to acquisition. I'm a solo developer, with a full time job and a full time family, so for me the value proposition is making a couple bucks here and there to justify the serious amount of time and energy I put into developing Android apps. I have gotten a ton of positive feedback from my various applications, and it's been a really worthwhile endeavor for me.
I hope that answers your question on some level.
Edit: You know, and with all of that said, I am just a solo guy here in my home office making decisions and moving forward. Could I have made a mistake with TweetComb's price? Absolutely. Maybe I should have done any number of things. Frankly, I question every decision I make with my apps because I _do_ care. I put so much time and effort into them because I _do_ care. I want your input, I want everyone's input. It's not set in stone that I'll never have a free version, but right now something told me to put it up for $2.99 as I have with my other apps. Maybe that was a mistake, or maybe not. All I can say is I made a decision and moved forward with it. I'll second guess that decision, and every other, forever.

Imo the more dedicated tablet developers the better. Thanks again for the app
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Imo the more dedicated tablet developers the better. Thanks again for the app
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I think you meant to say "the more dedicated honeycomb app developers". Cuz I have a tablet and its not honeycomb and we get no support. Oh well..

Chris Stewart said:
For me, I chose to focus on the tablet OS. While there are a few tablets out there running the phone OS, the trend over the next 6 months will be a whole new set of tablets running Honeycomb. I'd rather work on supporting that platform properly than diverting attention to support a setup that will be a tiny fraction of the market in about a year. I have no intention of bringing Newsr or TweetComb to earlier versions of Android for this reason.
There are Twitter apps, and Google Reader apps for that matter, which run on the phone OS just fine. I saw a market opportunity to make something for Honeycomb, using Honeycomb-specific features (that aren't included in the compat library), for both types of application.
If TweetComb isn't worth $2.99 to you, then I understand. I have put, and will continue to put, a lot of time and effort into it. I've done this with Newsr and will continue to with both. I'm not a company that can afford to put out free applications and hope I gain substantial market share to become attractive to acquisition. I'm a solo developer, with a full time job and a full time family, so for me the value proposition is making a couple bucks here and there to justify the serious amount of time and energy I put into developing Android apps. I have gotten a ton of positive feedback from my various applications, and it's been a really worthwhile endeavor for me.
I hope that answers your question on some level.
Edit: You know, and with all of that said, I am just a solo guy here in my home office making decisions and moving forward. Could I have made a mistake with TweetComb's price? Absolutely. Maybe I should have done any number of things. Frankly, I question every decision I make with my apps because I _do_ care. I put so much time and effort into them because I _do_ care. I want your input, I want everyone's input. It's not set in stone that I'll never have a free version, but right now something told me to put it up for $2.99 as I have with my other apps. Maybe that was a mistake, or maybe not. All I can say is I made a decision and moved forward with it. I'll second guess that decision, and every other, forever.
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I'll just share with you my purchasing MO:
Pocket Cloud: Tried the free version for a few days, decided that it was worth 15 bucks and bought it.
Quick Office Pro HD: Had to wait for an actual tablet version but based on prior experience with the included app I purchased it. Again 15 bucks.
Reditta the new Honeycomb Redit client: The guy has an ad-supported version and then I think it costs $1.60 something. The current plan is to purchase it after my next paycheck as I am using the free ad-supported version and I like it (after spending more than 15 minutes with it).
The same is true for SNESoid and a couple games I've purchased after playing around with them for a couple days.
It could very well be worth your time to slap together an ad supported version of each of your clients for people like me who pretty much habitually buy any good/decent app on the tablet.
Nothing wrong with making money!

While I understand you, myself, and the typical crowd from XDA follows that approach, the _vast_ majority of consumers don't. I considered going with ad-supported, but honestly, from my experience, ad-supported really isn't even worth the inconvenience of the end user's experience. I'd rather just put it up for free without any advertising if I went that route.

Chris Stewart said:
While I understand you, myself, and the typical crowd from XDA follows that approach, the _vast_ majority of consumers don't. I considered going with ad-supported, but honestly, from my experience, ad-supported really isn't even worth the inconvenience of the end user's experience. I'd rather just put it up for free without any advertising if I went that route.
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How about a time bomb, one time in-app purchase that is required after the 1st hour of use? Just trying to think creatively lol.

I don't think $2.99 is that big of a deal tbo. The most important thing imo is a responsive developer and one that listens to feedback. Whatever you want added or fixed will taken care of. Just my 2 cents worth.
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Awesome app. Will u also dev for a Facebook tablet app? Or can u integrate Facebook in to this app as well?
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Anyway you would adding color links for username and links? Would make it alot easier to see..
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It's $2.99 people! It's not like it's up there at $10 or $15! We need to support independent developers like these.
And Chris, stick to developing purely for Honeycomb. I own a Galaxy Tab and the standard Twitter and Google Reader apps are fine on those. I'd rather have one amazing app than two mediocre apps. Keep up the good work!

Great app good job..please continue supporting honeycomb as you have a customer in me! One question I have is how do you open the trending topics? Also if you can make a Facebook app like this I'd buy it the same day as the Facebook apps for android sucks!!!!!

2.99 works for me. Bought it this morning and already an update. Thanks

HTC Sensation XL General lounge

It appears that HTC is getting in to the bigger screen scene also. They posted videos of the phone on youtube and i think it looks quite nice. I hope a carrier adopts it in the states. It will be nice for AT&T to fill in the void of not getting the bigger screen on the Galaxy S II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoLuoboJPM&feature=feedu

hmm...
HTC already released the Ruby/Amaze which is exactly like the Sensation but upgraded
why would they even make a Sensation XL when the Ruby/Amaze is already better & bigger?

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So it's the HTC titan except with a lower quality OS? Yeah, no thanks.

The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...

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The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...
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I can imagine which one is going to get more sales

In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.

Ok, i have to call bs now. Wtf HTC? Why are you making tons of stupid iterations of the same friggin' phone? Cheap ass CEO...

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In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.
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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...

I like the 4.7" screen running Android 2.3.4

Yeah but 480x800? You are kidding me.

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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...
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perhaps you're unaware because of a random bout of illiteracy or because you spent so much time on that oh so witty retort, but this is the general section. The android forums are about 20 forums below this one. I know scrolling through that text on your android device will remind you of how laggy it is but I suppose that's the price you pay for battery sucking live wallpapers on an OS about as innovative as winmo 5.

Everyone of your posts are exactly the same and you never have any support. No one cares what you have to say, seriously. Just remember, in today's society, majority rules. I really don't give a sh*t about what OS you think is better. I am a firm believer that each OS has its plus side, and different OS's are for different people. The problem that I have here is that you come off as a complete douchebag and say stupid sh*t just to start arguments.

Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.

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Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.
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Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.

xaccers said:
Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.
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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.

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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.
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Lets look at the facts shall we?
In order to sell Android handsets without being taken to court, manufacturers have to pay MS, MS have agreed that if they make WP7 phones then they don't have to pay as much to make Android phones. In some publicised cases it's $5 a phone, sell a million handsets and you've made an extra $5 million compared with if you hadn't entered into the deal with MS.
Microsoft had a market share of just 1.6% at the end of Q2 of this year, compared to 4.9% the year before (WP7 only making 3% at the end of 2010 so in 6 months since then it's share has nearly halved). To make that clear, fewer microsoft phones were sold this year than last year, which means the majority of those who were using WM are either sticking with them or have deserted MS due to WP7 not being what they want.
So to recap in simple terms:
Making a few WP7 devices saves a significant amount of money when considering the numbers of Android phones manufactures are selling instead.
The abysmal sales of WP7 make it clear that that it is poor selling, and as we've discussed in one of your other troll threads you can't even blame cost difference as WP7 devices were priced on a par with similar spec'd Android devices.

Actually, either way they pay, they just have to pay less if they also sign on to make windows phones. As for the market share decline, my only reply can be "duh!" at the end of quarter 2 wp7 was not a worldwide OS, it still isn't and is only now being released to a lot of major countries. Statistics are saying that by the end of q4 we will be in the mid-upper 4 percent, of course this is speculation but a number of the people who are paid to predict this kind of crap are coming up with the same numbers, this would be a hell of an increase in comparison to androids first year but then again if android hadn't beaten the iPhone to Verizon then android would've likely been scrubbed out by now. I see more wp7 devices in public daily and when windows 8 comes out and we have all that sexy integration I don't think there will be any reason to use another OS.

Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!

BazookaAce said:
Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!
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i'm glad i'm not the only one that noticed the topic went sideways
and here i was hoping to hear more why the XL version might be better than what is already out there

Question PSA: How to fix the notification delay or non-receipt issue. Truly pathetic of Google and Samsung.

SOLUTION TO DELAYED-NOTIFICATIONS:
Enable USB debugging on the phone.
You just unzip the file provided here in your PC: https://www.xda-developers.com/install-adb-windows-macos-linux/
Navigate to it via terminal.
Then, after you connect the phone to your PC, run:
./adb devices
./adb shell dumpsys deviceidle disable
That'll fix it for sure.
I simply cannot recommend Android to my normie friends and family.
Let me restate this: It is not our job to fix Google's bugs.
This is a US-centric view.
If you can't tell: I am a bit aggravated right now.
I could not get my GMail, GCal, and other notifications to come through properly on Pixel 5's Android 11 OR S21 Ultra's Android 11.
This has apparently been an issue that many an Android user suffers through silently -- and, some don't even know that this is happening to them. I guess they're embarrassed to publicly state that their mobile OS is subpar.
When you get an e-mail or if a calendar event reminder is coming up, and even if your phone's screen is OFF/locked: you should get an *instant* notification. No delay whatsoever.
Well, if my screen was off/locked, I wouldn't get these notifications or it would take 10+ minutes to show. But, once I unlocked my phone: boom, notifications. And, sometimes even if my screen wasn't locked, there would be a serious delay or no notification.
After spending loads of time trying to fix this problem, me and my friend finally stumbled upon a solution: ./adb shell dumpsys deviceidle disable
A reboot eliminates this setting modification, by the way.
Do not tell me that instant e-mail notifications are not necessary. Many of us work jobs that require them to be instant.
No end user should ever have to go through this. iPhone users certainly don't go through this.
If Google doesn't care about Android users, then, why should I, as an Android user, care about Android too? Just switch to iPhone, I guess.
Google pays Apple $10bn+ every year and makes better software for iOS than it does for Android.
Just look at the damn widgets that iOS users get.
So, $10bn/year plus the cost of the software developed to cater to iOS users.
This makes Google a simp cuck to Apple, nothing else.
Would Apple ever return this favor? No.
Therefore, Google management is a simp cucked by Apple, nothing more.
We are fools to be using this OS.
If Google is willing to subsidize my iOS software updates and experience to the tune of billions of dollars every single year -- then, why not just switch?
Clearly, my experience has shown me that Android can be cheaper -- if I don't value my time.
Statistic after statistic bears it out: iPhone users are wealthier.
I am tired of being an Android luser -- why should I take on such abuse and neglect by the main author of my mobile OS?
Before you start patronizing me: YES, I tried every other bloody trick in the book to fix this issue.
No end user should ever have to go through this! No end user should have to run adb commands to enable basic functionality.
There are some basic things that modern smartphones should just be able to do: instant notifications, 3rd party camera support, functioning RCS or some other form of E2EE messaging built-in, reliable local backups, a nationwide network of repair facilities, etc.
Android fails on all of these.
iPhone ordered. Glad to leave this Android ghetto behind.
Hey Google, if you have some self-respect: then, instead of paying Apple $10bn an year and doing iOS development, how about you actually work on some basic Android functionality instead?

Way too long dude.
But I can say I never had a delay on my notifications, especially on Gmail where my phone rings before my laptop for example.
All my apps get notified in time, I can compare with Signal and it's Desktop app.
I really don't know what's the cause but if I can help.

And for you information, all your monologue about iPhone is really too much, especially when some people have the exact same issue.
Just Google iPhone notifications delay and you'll find out.
If you wanna change, just change, We are not kids, nobody is gonna tell you to stay in the Android world if you're not satisfied.
To finish, you maybe make stupid assumptions. I paid an S21U 1500 € because I can, I also have an iPhone 12 Pro from work, and I just never use it because in my tastes, this is a really bad phone to use.
Good thing We use VoIP so I just forward my professional calls now.

Try this with your phone screen off: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.firstrowria.pushnotificationtester
Set the notification to come in at like 240 seconds and lock your phone screen.
If it doesn't come in instantly as scheduled, you have a problem.

nixnixnixnix4 said:
Try this with your phone screen off: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.firstrowria.pushnotificationtester
Set the notification to come in at like 240 seconds and lock your phone screen.
If it doesn't come in instantly as scheduled, you have a problem.
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Just tested I have exactly 1 second delay .
But I think he just doesn't care. He just posted to get it out and tell the world he leaves.
As if anybody cares.

Nat.smith26 said:
Just tested I have exactly 1 second delay .
But I think he just doesn't care. He just posted to get it out and tell the world he leaves.
As if anybody cares.
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And, your phone was locked for 4-5 minutes but the notification still came through?
If so, please share your battery optimization settings and other stuff.
Screenshots of those settings would be nice.

Nat.smith26 said:
Just tested I have exactly 1 second delay .
But I think he just doesn't care. He just posted to get it out and tell the world he leaves.
As if anybody cares.
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There is a reason why iOS has at least 60% market share in the US.
It has the basics right.
It has the low-hanging fruit mastered.
My friend has a Pixel 5 and I have an S21 Ultra 256GB.
And, somehow, I'm frustrated/biased over nothing?
Clearly, I'm in the game but Android is failing us.

I configured the app for 5 min notifications and programmed a countdown of my Google Home to see what was going on.
You won't get anything from my screenshots because I have nothing special.
Spoiler: Screen shots
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nixnixnixnix4 said:
There is a reason why iOS has at least 60% market share in the US.
It has the basics right.
It has the low-hanging fruit mastered.
My friend has a Pixel 5 and I have an S21 Ultra 256GB.
And, somehow, I'm frustrated/biased over nothing?
Clearly, I'm in the game but Android is failing us.
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Yep the reason is this is an American Company that they are proud of and you can see Apple products everywhere, ads, shows, movies, etc...
That just became a standard.
A few years ago Apple had the same share but with ****ty phones, so...
Today they make good products, but that's still not enough for me.
I can't use a system where censure is normal, they chose to close the doors to every developers they want, they don't follow their own rules, they don't wanna use standards to slow down every tiers development and keep everyone in jail...
This is a biiiiiig discussion, but just like Facebook, I just can't stand their politics.
Most Americans are just blind when it comes to Apple, this is the pride of the nation.
And We don't talk bad about the pride of the Nation.

Nat.smith26 said:
Yep the reason is this is an American Company that they are proud of and you can see Apple products everywhere, ads, shows, movies, etc...
That just became a standard.
A few years ago Apple had the same share but with ****ty phones, so...
Today they make good products, but that's still not enough for me.
I can't use a system where censure is normal, they chose to close the doors to every developers they want, they don't follow their own rules, they don't wanna use standards to slow down every tiers development and keep everyone in jail...
This is a biiiiiig discussion, but just like Facebook, I just can't stand their politics.
Most Americans are just blind when it comes to Apple, this is the pride of the nation.
And We don't talk bad about the pride of the Nation.
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We need anti-trust measures to prevent them from preventing us from installing things on our own phones. That is the only way.

nixnixnixnix4 said:
We need anti-trust measures to prevent them from preventing us from installing things on our own phones. That is the only way.
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USA does not care and EU can't do much because they have less than 20% share in the rest of the world.
The only country they are afraid of is China, so they obey just to make more money and still use their factories.

Nat.smith26 said:
I configured the app for 5 min notifications and programmed a countdown of my Google Home to see what was going on.
You won't get anything from my screenshots because I have nothing special.
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Adaptive battery and put unused apps to sleep are known troublemakers.
Android will manage very well without them.
Any power hogs deal with on an individual case by case basis. Optimize it; flipping a toggle switch isn't optimizing
At the most, simply close that app when done with it. The Brave browser is real bad like that if you don't close it out.
Your results may vary... play with it; WYSIWYG.
As for Apple, it's a closed platform one trick pony and it sucks.
As for Android, you get what you put into it.

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There is a reason why iOS has at least 60% market share in the US.
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Yes, too many people have no imaginanation, want things easy, and have the manufacturer make their decisions for them. Apple and iOS is the go to for such individuals.

Beefheart said:
Yes, too many people have no imaginanation, want things easy, and have the manufacturer make their decisions for them. Apple and iOS is the go to for such individuals.
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Or, it's because the basics actually work on iPhones.
And, those basics are important to people.
Steve Jobs was right about one thing: The sheep outnumber us.
They use their numbers and money to get a better app experience for themselves.
Developers develop for sheep, not for Android Joes.

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Or, it's because the basics actually work on iPhones.
And, those basics are important to people.
Steve Jobs was right about one thing: The sheep outnumber us.
They use their numbers and money to get a better app experience for themselves.
Developers develop for sheep, not for Android Joes.
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You're on the wrong forum... no sheep here, we ate them.

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Or, it's because the basics actually work on iPhones.
And, those basics are important to people.
Steve Jobs was right about one thing: The sheep outnumber us.
They use their numbers and money to get a better app experience for themselves.
Developers develop for sheep, not for Android Joes.
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Well that depends what basics are to you.
To me it's just gonna be able to install any app I want and not being insulted by a closed and proprietary system.
If basics is just messages/calls/Facebook/snapshat just like 70% of the US teenagers then you can buy a 200$ phone for that.
But no, I see my nephew, He needs to get in the club, not to be different of the mass.
But tbh your arguments doesn't apply in the rest of the world, even in European countries where Samsung is still the leader and Chinese brands are hype

nixnixnixnix4 said:
Or, it's because the basics actually work on iPhones.
And, those basics are important to people.
Steve Jobs was right about one thing: The sheep outnumber us.
They use their numbers and money to get a better app experience for themselves.
Developers develop for sheep, not for Android Joes.
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The basics work on Android. Or they do for me at least.
Read into that what you wish.

Well I love android . Really but the notifications delay driving me crazy
I have s21 ultra . Honestly brilliant peace of hardware but with a very problematic bug in the notifications area.
Some apps send notifications without any issues but some apps don't. And when I'm unlock my screen it bombs my device like crazy.
I will try this add solution
Hope it will work for me

sagiag said:
Well I love android . Really but the notifications delay driving me crazy
I have s21 ultra . Honestly brilliant peace of hardware but with a very problematic bug in the notifications area.
Some apps send notifications without any issues but some apps don't. And when I'm unlock my screen it bombs my device like crazy.
I will try this add solution
Hope it will work for me
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Yes, please let me know if this adb solution works for you.
We need to reach out to Samsung and/or Google about this.

nixnixnixnix4 said:
Yes, please let me know if this adb solution works for you.
We need to reach out to Samsung and/or Google about this.
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do you know if device reboot will reset the idle modes ?
or if I done the ads command once it should work forever