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Save CyanogenMod app: Am I an activist, crazy, or both? In the Market.

http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.mhuang.savecyanogenmod
Digg it! http://digg.com/software/Save_CyanogenMod_application_now_on_Android_Market
This will get the cause more publicity and pressure Google. It didn't quite work for that tether stuff, but this is Cyanogen we're talking about. It is a bit sensationalist, but we want at least a detailed explanation from Google (a re-licensing of the Google app binaries would be ideal) and this is one way to try to get one.
CyanogenMod is an unofficial, donation supported modification for the open source Android operating system. On September 24, 2009, Google sent a cease and desist letter to Cyanogen (Steve Kondik), demanding that he cease distribution of CyanogenMod because it includes several closed source Google applications like Gmail and Google Talk.
As users, we believe that while Google was within its legal rights to send this cease and desist order, this letter contradicts Google Android's own open source spirit. Additionally, the distribution of Google applications actually increases adoption of Google products, bringing Google more profit.
Because Google applications are such a core part of the Android experience, we believe that they should be available for free distribution.
To let your voice be heard, please post a comment on this application's Android Market page.
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I'm downloading this now!

wow an app? cyanogen if you ever had a doubt in your mind people didnt apprecaite you and your work, this is proof we do

Congratulations on creating yet-another useless application on the Market. No, I will not download your app or comment.
Please reconsider your actions. Android needs all the support it can get, not knee-jerk reactionary polls spreading possible misinformation without the full facts.

TommyPickles said:
Congratulations on creating yet-another useless application on the Market. No, I will not download your app or comment.
Please reconsider your actions. Android needs all the support it can get, not knee-jerk reactionary polls spreading possible misinformation without the full facts.
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I think this one is quite less sensationalist than the last one (and I still stand by the last one). This seems to be the general consensus of this community. Can you point out where I did not give the full facts? I did consider Google's position and offered a counterargument. I kept the whole thing short, and of course it's going to be biased - I'm speaking for one position, after all.
As users, we believe that while Google was within its legal rights to send this cease and desist order, this letter contradicts Google Android's own open source spirit. Additionally, the distribution of Google applications actually increases adoption of Google products, bringing Google more profit.
Because Google applications are such a core part of the Android experience, we believe that they should be available for free distribution.
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Really, it's just an application to get Google to react somehow. Of course it's reactionary. Are you going to go and rate this application a 1/5 and try to "teach" those on the Android Market my wrongdoings? Google is alienating one of its core audiences (developers and enthusiasts!) here. If anything, their actions were bad for Android.

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I'm downloading this now!
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......Ditto!...........

supporting Cyanogen..

It's great that you are open minded about 'open source spirit'.
Can I have your bank account number? Or please provide details on how your Google account links to your checkout account for me. What? You don't want to provide it? Why are you against open-source?
Market will never be open-source because it is a commerce application. Is that so hard to understand?
Further an unreleased version is being redistributed that will cause confusion to the general public. It was licensed to Open Handset Alliance members only.
Why don't I have the latest Market? Why doesnt Google love me? My friend has it! Oh the applications I download from new Market seem to be stuck and its bugged.. why doesnt Google support me on it?
For these reasons and more it was C&D. I'm sure Android team will give him a personal call and talk it through. Stop being so reactionary.
Sorry to be harsh but you have contributed nothing to this community except get people to downlaod your app, increasing your profile. For that I wish you well, but as I said I will not download nor comment on your app because I think its a great idea in intention but totally misplaced because you haven't thought it through.

TommyPickles said:
It's great that you are open minded about 'open source spirit'.
Can I have your bank account number? Or please provide details on how your Google account links to your checkout account for me. What? You don't want to provide it? Why are you against open-source?
Market will never be open-source because it is a commerce application. Is that so hard to understand?
Further an unreleased version is being redistributed that will cause confusion to the general public. It was licensed to Open Handset Alliance members only.
Why don't I have the latest Market? Why doesnt Google love me? My friend has it! Oh the applications I download from new Market seem to be stuck and its bugged.. why doesnt Google support me on it?
For these reasons and more it was C&D. I'm sure Android team will give him a personal call and talk it through. Stop being so reactionary.
Sorry to be harsh but you have contributed nothing to this community except get people to downlaod your app, increasing your profile. For that I wish you well, but as I said I will not download nor comment on your app because I think its a great idea in intention but totally misplaced because you haven't thought it through.
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Did I ever ask for the Market to be open source? I said the C&D went against the open source spirit, which promotes sharing code (even in the form of binaries, which are better than nothing, if necessary) and expanding the community in this way. The Android Market is one central part of the Android experience, and I believe that we should push for a redistribution license for all developers. Of course some sources must be protected (though as a developer I will argue that an open source implementation of the Market is certainly viable without compromising user data).
I don't really care about my profile - my pseudonym here is different from my name on the Android Market, even. You'll have to take my word for it that that is not my agenda.

[email protected] lame, im downloading this app ASAP

I'll take your word for it, because your response sounds reasoned. But by reading your response, I then also have to ask : Why are we reacting to this?
The new Market will be released when it's done. Until then, only those who have a license (such as Open Handset Alliance members such as phone manufacturers) will be able to use and trial it.
It's not like Google won't release it. They will. They want to. But they just can't deal with the general public having problems with their commerce system. They also can't let it be open-sourced. Sorry but thats just the way they are thinking, I'm sure.
I would rather accept Google's decision anyday, then that of Apple. I don't want Android to have the reputation of hurting developers, because it is so opposite to the truth, which is why I'm so dismayed. Sorry about that.

TommyPickles said:
I would rather accept Google's decision anyday, then that of Apple. I don't want Android to have the reputation of hurting developers, because it is so opposite to the truth, which is why I'm so dismayed. Sorry about that.
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Android is great, and Google has spoiled us, which is probably why we get such a strong reaction from developers and users. But I'll leave this up for a bit and see what happens, and if the things stated inside the app get irrelevant or inaccurate, I'll update the app or pull it.

Google. Why you gotta be such a @$$HAT???

I can't download from the market now but this is ****ed up. Looks like Google has been listening to it's dentist and taking an APPLE a day.

i'm sorry i have to give it to tommypickles yes this is a let down, but Google is trying to protect a core peace of there software the market is one of the definitive parts of this OS. after surveying the facts i can find i have to side with Google's decisions. I personally left the iphone world for a reason and the main reason is the dev nightmare that is the app store on iphone. As i developer i see there side, i also see the users side yes we got spoiled by the new market and now they want to say hold on there.
they are merely trying to protect the core experience that is android OS.

Hmm some people forget that if cyanogen (the stablest rom out their) goes what makes you think that google will just stop at him...

yes please google back off n let cyanogen be. he didnt steal this is suppose 2 be open source. it was put out there 2 be used. please stop hating on cyanogen

"Yo GOOGLE, I'm really happy for you, I'll let you finish, but Cyanogen has one of the best roms of all time. One of the best roms of all time!"
osokrayzay com

tommypickles sounds like he got his ass destroyed by a huge black dildo and is mad about something else so he decides to point out some minuscule opinion about cyanogen just so he can feel better about himself.

This has a snowballs chance in .. well you know the rest.

XDA Branding: MBA study

Hey guys. Sorry to cross post this (not sure which forum is best) but I wonder if you might like to help with some research?
I am writing an MBA case study on the branding of HTC, calling it 'the best company you've never heard of'.
I have had HTC phones from the very earliest days, discovering XDA-Developers.com about 7 years ago; I owe the devs here so much for their ROMs and good advice (currently using a Jade with pda-viet's 6.5 rom,waiting for he passion to come out to try my first android handset).
Anyway, two things have always amazed me:
1. That a company like HTC has taken such a weird approach to branding (compared to motorola, SE, Nokia and, oh, I don't know, Apple?) and has only in the last year or so decided to start to invest in their brand.
2. That despite their relative anonymity, the 'tribe' that they have managed to assemble around them to promote, support and fix their products globally (that's you guys) are so incredible.
I was wondering if any of you might have any comments about either the branding/marketing of the company (any direct experience of them?) or your experiences of being part of their brand 'tribe'?
I'd really appreciate any comments any of you may have; would really help me to understand the company and hopefully a. get them better known through the case study and b. get a great mark in my MBA.
Thanks so much for any help.
Jo

MBA branding research
Mod Edit: You were correct about cross-posting. This is not permitted. I have removed the thread in the About Forum. (About is for matters "about" XDA-Developers)
I have also merged replies into this thread.
Mike

i think that one of the reasons they are sold under different brands is because they dont want to market the phones them selfves.
anyone think so>?
flyboy

It may appear that hTC have taken an unusual approach to marketing and promotion, but it is certainly not an unusual approach in business terms. In fact the concept of manufacturing goods to order for suppliers who have ready made and recognised brands is remarkably common. Of course most customers never really question whether the product is actually made by the brand name that appears on the case.
Many years ago when I did TV / radio repairs it was not unusual to find identical ocircuitboards and layout insude TVs that were sold under dozens of different brands. I'd say of around 50 brands I'd find maybe only 10 different circuits internally. The same is obviously true of hTC phones = many brands but all made by hTC but with different branded cases. This can be a good marketing strategy and is comparatively risk free if the deals with the brand companies are for fixed volume sales. If you can sell 10,000 units, but you don't have to market them or sell them to the public, that is a very stable and profitable position. Look at all the brands of flat screen panel TVs in the shops (dozens of them) but actually there are only a handful of manufacturers and most folk will never have heard of them. That situation nearly always changes though, once the product becomes a top seller. The risk of selling directly to the public is then greatly reduced - the high profile brand names having driven the initial public desire for the product.
Keep in mind too, that hTC were amongst the first to sell PDA/Phones with WM. A high risk position would have been to market these products through an unknown company. Far better to sell via high profile brand names. Of course, as these products have become more popular, it is now far less risky for hTC to sell direct to the public. This is of course what they have done in the past two years or so; the product is more popular and they now sell direct.
They have commenced TV advertising following the very obvious success of the iphone. It must have upset them greatly, to see Apple advertising as new products, phones which struggled to provide the functionality that hTC phones have had for years. But Apple do it so well and MOST importantly they market to the GENERAL public, not just geeks and business users. Riding on the success of the iPhone, I believe it is now felt by hTC, that they can also chase the popular, general public, market.
This does not of course mean good news for XDA-Developers (their unofficial support base). It may in fact mean that the whole process of support and development becomes more official - teams of paid developers etc etc. This could mean that the old voluntary developer type forum becomes something they no longer wish to unofficially support. We will need to wait to see whether success brings more work and more to develop by XDA-Developers or on the contrary; a clamping down by hTC and M$.
Remember, mass market success is not about small groups of geeky developers sitting at home and posting on the net, it is about applications that will be marketed and officially supported and therefore controlled by hTC and M$.
Mike
PS
... hTC are a highly successful company - in fact phenomenal success in just a few years - I wish I had bought shares. We can all point at Apple's success with the iPhone, but really the idea of licencing your produts for use on devices made by other people is a better more profitable model. Look at how much more successful M$ has been than Apple. That is because their software is licenced for use on ANY PC made by anybody. It essentially means you get lots of other people to sell your product for you. (it almost does not matter if folk have heard of you or not) Of course your product must work well - and if competition comes along (eg Apple), you MUST improve or die.

Interesting
Thanks for your response; I agree with all your key points, in particular the danger of going mainstream regarding the dev community (particularly here).
I've attached an early draft of my report; would be interested in any feedback, particularly insights into marketing decisions and likely outcomes of the collapse of WinMo and the shift to Android.
Merry Christmas

pounana said:
Thanks for your response; I agree with all your key points, in particular the danger of going mainstream regarding the dev community (particularly here).
I've attached an early draft of my report; would be interested in any feedback, particularly insights into marketing decisions and likely outcomes of the collapse of WinMo and the shift to Android.
Merry Christmas
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Excellent work. ... and I could'nt find much to argue with... shame I like a good argument.
I suppose out of all the good stuff, a point I felt could be strengthened is the one where a conclusion seems to be drawn that hTC will move away from WM. Yes, we know about Android and yes we know about iPhone but I'm not sure the case is made that hTC will abandon WM/M$. You may well be correct of course and I do recognise the possible departure from the "Tribal" developer communities in the future.
I think moves away from WM may be progressive but not necessarily final. Hving said that the whole OS for mobile market is not a stable one - who would have predicted this three years ago?: (let alone the stunning almost overnight rate of change)
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Of course, and this a point that can be made I think, the iPhone did not simply claim market share from WM it actually expanded the market. ie They have increased the overall size of the market without necessarily reducing sales of WM. Market share is therefore a very misleading figure as in a sense WM is still selling as much as before, just that the market has been doubled (pure guess) in size.
So not a critisicm but perhaps to add a little ooomph to the conclusions, maybe just a bit more in the way of trend facts/statistics to prove the direction of travel (afterall you're preaching to the largely converted here, but I wonder how convinced a hard-bitten academic outsider would be??)​
Nice work, I actually enjoyed reading your monograph and that I cannot say about lots of research pieces​
Mike​
PS... minor thing - from memory the last sentence on p13 I think it was, needs looking at - words have got jumbled somehow. (I know it's a draft)​

HTC Sensation XL General lounge

It appears that HTC is getting in to the bigger screen scene also. They posted videos of the phone on youtube and i think it looks quite nice. I hope a carrier adopts it in the states. It will be nice for AT&T to fill in the void of not getting the bigger screen on the Galaxy S II.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QoLuoboJPM&feature=feedu

hmm...
HTC already released the Ruby/Amaze which is exactly like the Sensation but upgraded
why would they even make a Sensation XL when the Ruby/Amaze is already better & bigger?

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So it's the HTC titan except with a lower quality OS? Yeah, no thanks.

The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...

lowandbehold said:
The titan would be great if it didnt have WP7...
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I can imagine which one is going to get more sales

In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.

Ok, i have to call bs now. Wtf HTC? Why are you making tons of stupid iterations of the same friggin' phone? Cheap ass CEO...

z33dev33l said:
In my opinion quality and user experience come before tweaking. That's just me though.
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You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...

I like the 4.7" screen running Android 2.3.4

Yeah but 480x800? You are kidding me.

lowandbehold said:
You obviously feel threatened by android. You do realize there are WP7 forums on this site, yet you still choose to troll the android forums EVERY DAY. And you are still completely oblivious to the fact that you are a joke. You are like a gay man in a straight bar...we just aren't buying what you are selling buddy...
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perhaps you're unaware because of a random bout of illiteracy or because you spent so much time on that oh so witty retort, but this is the general section. The android forums are about 20 forums below this one. I know scrolling through that text on your android device will remind you of how laggy it is but I suppose that's the price you pay for battery sucking live wallpapers on an OS about as innovative as winmo 5.

Everyone of your posts are exactly the same and you never have any support. No one cares what you have to say, seriously. Just remember, in today's society, majority rules. I really don't give a sh*t about what OS you think is better. I am a firm believer that each OS has its plus side, and different OS's are for different people. The problem that I have here is that you come off as a complete douchebag and say stupid sh*t just to start arguments.

Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.

z33dev33l said:
Perhaps I should clarify my reasoning. When the Titan was first mentioned with specs and all HTC was promoting the fact that it was hardware exclusive to wp7, we held that hardware exclusivity for what? 3 days? HTC wouldn't exist if not for winmo and now they **** in Microsoft's face, that's annoying to say the least.
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Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.

xaccers said:
Well, to be fair, MS shat in their face by foisting such a poor selling OS on them, denying them the right to improve it even a little bit, then gave that right to Nokia.
None of the manufacturers take WP7 seriously, it's just a price they have to pay to produce more popular phones running Android without having to pay MS as much.
Still, it gives them a small pilot group to beta test hardware with before developing it for their real customers.
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Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.

z33dev33l said:
Nokia, developers of the most reliable hardware on the market seem to take it quite seriously and honestly once that ship is afloat I'd see no reason for Microsoft to waste times with any other OEM outside of perhaps Samsung as that partnership offers virtually unlimited possibilities and an unrivaled patent catalogue. No one hoisted a poor selling OS on anyone, Microsoft offered a device that is on par in most categories and even exceeds in some with iPhone and blows android out of the water. The biggest issue is fanboyism, people have invested too much in iOS and/or android and Microsoft is late to the market, however their entry is not invalid by any means.
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Lets look at the facts shall we?
In order to sell Android handsets without being taken to court, manufacturers have to pay MS, MS have agreed that if they make WP7 phones then they don't have to pay as much to make Android phones. In some publicised cases it's $5 a phone, sell a million handsets and you've made an extra $5 million compared with if you hadn't entered into the deal with MS.
Microsoft had a market share of just 1.6% at the end of Q2 of this year, compared to 4.9% the year before (WP7 only making 3% at the end of 2010 so in 6 months since then it's share has nearly halved). To make that clear, fewer microsoft phones were sold this year than last year, which means the majority of those who were using WM are either sticking with them or have deserted MS due to WP7 not being what they want.
So to recap in simple terms:
Making a few WP7 devices saves a significant amount of money when considering the numbers of Android phones manufactures are selling instead.
The abysmal sales of WP7 make it clear that that it is poor selling, and as we've discussed in one of your other troll threads you can't even blame cost difference as WP7 devices were priced on a par with similar spec'd Android devices.

Actually, either way they pay, they just have to pay less if they also sign on to make windows phones. As for the market share decline, my only reply can be "duh!" at the end of quarter 2 wp7 was not a worldwide OS, it still isn't and is only now being released to a lot of major countries. Statistics are saying that by the end of q4 we will be in the mid-upper 4 percent, of course this is speculation but a number of the people who are paid to predict this kind of crap are coming up with the same numbers, this would be a hell of an increase in comparison to androids first year but then again if android hadn't beaten the iPhone to Verizon then android would've likely been scrubbed out by now. I see more wp7 devices in public daily and when windows 8 comes out and we have all that sexy integration I don't think there will be any reason to use another OS.

Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!

BazookaAce said:
Really people? You managed to make a thread about the Sensation XL into a WP7 Vs Android discussion. Kudos!
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i'm glad i'm not the only one that noticed the topic went sideways
and here i was hoping to hear more why the XL version might be better than what is already out there

[Q] Note against Microsoft Windows Phone?

"This is a skill-based Contest. The object of this Contest is for You to come into the Microsoft Store and try to beat the Microsoft Windows Phone in a series of five (5) "Smoked by Windows Phone" challenge scenarios selected by Microsoft at its sole discretion including: (1) Pocket-to-Picture-to-Post, (2) Real-Time Information with Live Tiles, (3) Using the People Hub to Stay in Touch with the People You Care About Most, (4) Updating Your Status Across Multiple Social Networks, and (5) Local Scout ("Challenge"). For purposes of this Contest, each entrant who participates in the Challenge with their own personal smartphone will be called an "entry." All eligible entries received will be judged using the criteria described below to determine the winners of the prizes described below."
Microsoft is hosting smartphone challenge in their US stores. When your existing smartphone beat their Windows Phone in above category, you get a $1000 laptop as price. If you lose, you can still trade-in your existing smartphone for one of their new Windows Phone, contract free.
Ok here is my dilemma, I can either use my beat up refurbished Blackberry for the contest and go for the loser "price" (trade for a new Windows phone). OR... I can use my Galaxy Note against their WP for the grand prize, $1000 laptop.
Although my Note is plenty fast against WP in general but my experience tells me that Microsoft must design these challenge in a specific way that favors WP os...
What do you guys think?

psun786 said:
"This is a skill-based Contest. The object of this Contest is for You to come into the Microsoft Store and try to beat the Microsoft Windows Phone in a series of five (5) "Smoked by Windows Phone" challenge scenarios selected by Microsoft at its sole discretion including: (1) Pocket-to-Picture-to-Post, (2) Real-Time Information with Live Tiles, (3) Using the People Hub to Stay in Touch with the People You Care About Most, (4) Updating Your Status Across Multiple Social Networks, and (5) Local Scout ("Challenge"). For purposes of this Contest, each entrant who participates in the Challenge with their own personal smartphone will be called an "entry." All eligible entries received will be judged using the criteria described below to determine the winners of the prizes described below."
Microsoft is hosting smartphone challenge in their US stores. When your existing smartphone beat their Windows Phone in above category, you get a $1000 laptop as price. If you lose, you can still trade-in your existing smartphone for one of their new Windows Phone, contract free.
Ok here is my dilemma, I can either use my beat up refurbished Blackberry for the contest and go for the loser "price" (trade for a new Windows phone). OR... I can use my Galaxy Note against their WP for the grand prize, $1000 laptop.
Although my Note is plenty fast against WP in general but my experience tells me that Microsoft must design these challenge in a specific way that favors WP os...
What do you guys think?
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You can check out videos of the challenges on Microsoft's WP site. They reported that out of 35 challenges WP only lost two of the challenges and iirc it was a photo upload. IPhone 4s beat it. The Note is smoking fast but many of the features used in the challenges are built into WP. I wish there was a Microsoft store near where I live as I would try it just because. If you give it a shot good luck.
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kbilly70 said:
You can check out videos of the challenges on Microsoft's WP site. They reported that out of 35 challenges WP only lost two of the challenges and iirc it was a photo upload. IPhone 4s beat it. The Note is smoking fast but many of the features used in the challenges are built into WP. I wish there was a Microsoft store near where I live as I would try it just because. If you give it a shot good luck.
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Exactly what I expected... lol
I guess I will just take my decade old Blacberry and aim for the free "upgrade".

Of course the whole thing is geared towards WP always winning, like e.g. the contest where you have to pull the weather up for 2 different cities in two different U.S. states: they already have the weather widget installed to show 2 different cities before-hand on their WP-phones, so of course they'll win this.

Note against Microsoft Windows Phone?
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This challenge is a chance for App developers. Code an App for the special purpose and get a notebook. In addition they can offer it in playstore.
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Kanalcommander said:
This challenge is a chance for App developers.
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Hardly. We do not know the challenges before-hand, only the Microsoft-employees know them. If we do not know them we cannot code for them.

kbilly70 said:
The Note is smoking fast but many of the features used in the challenges are built into WP. I wish there was a Microsoft store near where I live as I would try it just because. If you give it a shot good luck.
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Note is definitely faster than wp in spec. But when compared to in and exit of app and also processing in WP is amazingly fast. WP is not populated with many app but what ever the app queued..is amazingly fast. For instance if you dig an app 6 or 7 pages or Windows inside it and tap back button rapidly same number of times, on your last tap that particular app will exit running. (closing app. Using task manager secondary) whereas we have to wait for few seconds in android.
Developers show your best the contest with a lightning fast app and cool features and let Note win a 3rd title after iphone 4s.
This is my personal opinion when I compared with HD7.

It's very hard to win. Not because Note is worse and not because WP7 is superior.
It's because Microsoft knows well how to win. They set the rules, and it's obvious that those rules are greatly in favour of Microsoft products. If you read an article about how MS Employees are instructed on how to conduct and choose a challenge you'll find that MS knows it can lose easily in few aspects against Android, and their employees are specifically told what to avoid, and what to go for. It's obvious that those challenges are not entirely fair, but who expected them to be anyway ?
Still possible though. If Nexus won, Note can win as well.

I am @ MS store waiting in line for the contest. At this point, I have no intention of winning & probably cant even put up a fight. I have no dedicated app for the announced task so everything has to be done via wap browser. All I want is to let take away my decade old Blackberry 8707v and go home with a new WP ^^.

Props to MS for doing this as this is quite a neat way to inform more people about Windows Phone. I wish there were MS Stores here in Canada cause Id do this in a heartbeat with my old Samsung Omnia.
Truth be told... I owned an HTC HD7 for a while last year and I actually quite like the WP OS but I sold the device and have remained with ONLY Android devices since but for the hell of it... I may buy a Nokia WP just to play with...

psun786 said:
I am @ MS store waiting in line for the contest. At this point, I have no intention of winning & probably cant even put up a fight. I have no dedicated app for the announced task so everything has to be done via wap browser. All I want is to let take away my decade old Blackberry 8707v and go home with a new WP ^^.
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Good luck mate. Let us know how it went

Akiainavas said:
Good luck mate. Let us know how it went
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I got there around 8:50am (store opens 10am) and there was already several dozen ppl waiting in line. There is no sign in sheet so it is unclear how many ppl are infront of me. Since I have lots to do today, I decided to go leave and go back there tomorrow (around 5~6am maybe?) and hopefully be the first few in line.

yiannisthegreek said:
Props to MS for doing this as this is quite a neat way to inform more people about Windows Phone. I wish there were MS Stores here in Canada cause Id do this in a heartbeat with my old Samsung Omnia.
Truth be told... I owned an HTC HD7 for a while last year and I actually quite like the WP OS but I sold the device and have remained with ONLY Android devices since but for the hell of it... I may buy a Nokia WP just to play with...
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I think it is a genius move considering where wp7 stands against the competition right now. What better way to get consumer exposure than through a little education in combination with a free, above average smartphone?
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any tips on how to beat them and how to change my phone speed?

App Development Training Course Project

Hello, everyone.. it's been a while since I posted on xda-developers. My last big project you guys helped me out with was Mupen64Plus AE, which is really turning out great, BTW!
I wanted to let everyone know about a new project I'm working on to create a training course on how to write Android apps. It will be a complete training course with a course book, exercises, quizzes, test booklet, and answer key, as well as a companion website and support forum. It will be geared toward anyone who is interested in learning how to write professional Android apps, whether they have prior programming experience or not.
Each new topic will first be related to real-world concepts, so they can be understood more easily. Then those concepts will be applied to create a practical, interesting demo app for each subject. By the end of the course, the student will have created several of these demo apps, that they can show off to their friends or potential employers.
I thought I'd see if anyone here has suggestions for topics that could warrant special attention in the book, or ideas for the demo apps that will be created throughout the course. Let me know what you think!
I've also set up a kickstarter campaign to help fund the project, to cover the printing costs and compensate for the time I put into it. Feel free to comment on there as well, if you have useful suggestions for the project!

so, what's the cost for the program approximately?

wcypierre said:
so, what's the cost for the program approximately?
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I would like to know this too.

Well, the reward prices for folks who pledge early on kickstarter are intentionally a lot lower than what I will be selling the completed course for. The price will of course be adjusted over time, depending on its popularity, but here's what I'm considering for a starting point:
$150 :: Course enrolment. This provides full, lifetime access to digital copies of all course materials (including all future revisions) and the support forum
$25 + S&H :: Paperback quizzes/test booklet and answer key
$100 + S&H :: Paperback course book
$200 + S&H :: Hardcover course book
If the course does well, I'll probably also set up e-lectures that students can sign up for. I'd probably shoot for a number that adds up to a net profit close to what I would normally make as a freelance app developer. So, the more students in the classes, the lower the application cost would be. Obviously, that one is hard to estimate a cost for at this point.

course app development
For the people who have no programming experience will they be in a different class? how does the breakdown work with the varying experience levels?

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For the people who have no programming experience will they be in a different class? how does the breakdown work with the varying experience levels?
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want to know too

I've thought about that a lot. It really breaks down into two things: how the course is graded, and how the subjects break down in the course book.
For the graded part of the course (and this would apply to enrolling in the lectures to potentially save more experienced students some money), the student will have the option of skipping the first two chapters, and start immediately with the Android-specific part (which will be the main bulk of the course)
For the course book itself, there will be a short first chapter geared toward teaching XML, then a longer than normal chapter to teach Java. These two chapters will assume the student has no prior programming experience, but I'll do my best to keep them as interesting as possible, so it won't be complete snorzville for folks who are experienced programmers but need to learn XML or Java.
The reason for starting with XML, is because it is not really a programming language, and it will get the student into the mindset of using symbols to represent ideas, and starting to think about variables. It won't be the usual "beginners guide to XML", though. As with every chapter, the goal will be to create something practical and interesting. Since HTML is a practical use of XML, the chapter will be focused on creating a humorous web page. As a side effect of creating a web page, they will have acquired the skills they'll need later to create the XML layouts and whatnot needed for their apps. The later Android-specific chapters will start with simple XML usage for the early demos and build on that as the course goes.
The second chapter, on Java, will not just be to teach Java, but to teach beginners how to program, using Java. The reason this chapter will be intentionally longer than most of the other chapters, is because of those two goals. As with the first chapter, I will use humour and other techniques to keep the more experienced students engaged, while not loosing the less experienced students.
The technique of making the subjects engaging will continue through the book, and the goal of each chapter will be to create something practical, interesting, and fun. Simple, cartoonish artwork placed strategically through the chapter will enhance the humour. I've used this technique in previous training guides I've written, and I've always received positive feedback. I'm confident I can pull it off with this project too.

This sounds great. If I could afford it, I'd be in. I would love to learn how to write apps. Can you point me in the direction of some good free resources to help get someone started?
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twitch330 said:
This sounds great. If I could afford it, I'd be in. I would love to learn how to write apps. Can you point me in the direction of some good free resources to help get someone started?
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http://code.google.com/edu/introductory_courses.html
A good place to start

twitch330 said:
This sounds great. If I could afford it, I'd be in. I would love to learn how to write apps. Can you point me in the direction of some good free resources to help get someone started?
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Here's another great free one:
http://freevideolectures.com/Course/2981/Android-Application-Development-Spring-2012#
Obviously this will be more basic than what the OP is talking about going into in terms of project, but this should be a good place to start.

i would like to learn how to write apps too but im from india... :-/ is it possible from here??
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is there any website to sign up to??
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I wrote some examples to demonstrate my basic teaching style.
This first example is what I envision for the first chapter of the course book, which will be teaching XML. This would be the first page of that chapter, and you can see that it makes no assumptions about the student's prior experience. The topic is related to a real-world concept before introducing anything technical:
http://www.paulscode.com/projects/android_course/example_lesson_context.pdf
My second example would be much later in the book, demonstrating my style of explaining the concept clearly before diving into the code. This would be toward the end of the chapter. Obviously by this point in the course, the student will be familiar with Java, so the code parts will be very simple to follow and relate back to the concept being taught:
http://www.paulscode.com/projects/android_course/example_lesson_decisions.pdf

aravind ashok said:
i would like to learn how to write apps too but im from india... :-/ is it possible from here??
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Is kickstarter still not available in India? I'll put up a forum so you can follow the project outside of kickstarter. Honestly, I'm not very familiar with transactions between the US and India, so I can't really answer your question at the moment. Do you have the ability to transfer money through PayPal to people in the US from over there? If so, you should be able to sign up for the course once I finish it, just not get involved in the kickstarter campaign.
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is there any website to sign up to??
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The companion website is not finished yet, but I'll have at least a forum up in the next week or two for folks who want to follow and discuss the project outside of kickstarter. There aren't a lot of backers yet, but hopefully the community of interest will grow over time.

I've added a new reward tier to the kickstarter campaign. Backers can now pick t-shirts. You choose the size and color for the shirt, and pick from any of the designs below. I may add some more t-shirt designs here as well. If anyone is an artist and wants to help out the project, I'll definitely take more t-shirt design suggestions!
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can overseas guys join this?

I'm IN!!!
Okay, I'm in! I have already backed you in Kickstarter, plus the T-Shirt. :good:

mengfei said:
can overseas guys join this?
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If you can sign up for kickstarter, yes. I understand kickstarter isn't available everywhere (not sure where, you'd have to check)

That is allot of money for me. Are you planning to make this cheaper in the future or are you gonna keep it at that price?

Depends on the demand. If there isn't any demand, it will go a lot cheaper. To be honest, at the current rate, the project isn't likely to be funded anyway. Doesn't seem to even be enough demand to get it initially funded. Oh, well, that's how crowd funding works. It gives you a pretty good indication of whether or not something is likely to be popular or not.