Hello, everyone.. it's been a while since I posted on xda-developers. My last big project you guys helped me out with was Mupen64Plus AE, which is really turning out great, BTW!
I wanted to let everyone know about a new project I'm working on to create a training course on how to write Android apps. It will be a complete training course with a course book, exercises, quizzes, test booklet, and answer key, as well as a companion website and support forum. It will be geared toward anyone who is interested in learning how to write professional Android apps, whether they have prior programming experience or not.
Each new topic will first be related to real-world concepts, so they can be understood more easily. Then those concepts will be applied to create a practical, interesting demo app for each subject. By the end of the course, the student will have created several of these demo apps, that they can show off to their friends or potential employers.
I thought I'd see if anyone here has suggestions for topics that could warrant special attention in the book, or ideas for the demo apps that will be created throughout the course. Let me know what you think!
I've also set up a kickstarter campaign to help fund the project, to cover the printing costs and compensate for the time I put into it. Feel free to comment on there as well, if you have useful suggestions for the project!
so, what's the cost for the program approximately?
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so, what's the cost for the program approximately?
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I would like to know this too.
Well, the reward prices for folks who pledge early on kickstarter are intentionally a lot lower than what I will be selling the completed course for. The price will of course be adjusted over time, depending on its popularity, but here's what I'm considering for a starting point:
$150 :: Course enrolment. This provides full, lifetime access to digital copies of all course materials (including all future revisions) and the support forum
$25 + S&H :: Paperback quizzes/test booklet and answer key
$100 + S&H :: Paperback course book
$200 + S&H :: Hardcover course book
If the course does well, I'll probably also set up e-lectures that students can sign up for. I'd probably shoot for a number that adds up to a net profit close to what I would normally make as a freelance app developer. So, the more students in the classes, the lower the application cost would be. Obviously, that one is hard to estimate a cost for at this point.
course app development
For the people who have no programming experience will they be in a different class? how does the breakdown work with the varying experience levels?
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For the people who have no programming experience will they be in a different class? how does the breakdown work with the varying experience levels?
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want to know too
I've thought about that a lot. It really breaks down into two things: how the course is graded, and how the subjects break down in the course book.
For the graded part of the course (and this would apply to enrolling in the lectures to potentially save more experienced students some money), the student will have the option of skipping the first two chapters, and start immediately with the Android-specific part (which will be the main bulk of the course)
For the course book itself, there will be a short first chapter geared toward teaching XML, then a longer than normal chapter to teach Java. These two chapters will assume the student has no prior programming experience, but I'll do my best to keep them as interesting as possible, so it won't be complete snorzville for folks who are experienced programmers but need to learn XML or Java.
The reason for starting with XML, is because it is not really a programming language, and it will get the student into the mindset of using symbols to represent ideas, and starting to think about variables. It won't be the usual "beginners guide to XML", though. As with every chapter, the goal will be to create something practical and interesting. Since HTML is a practical use of XML, the chapter will be focused on creating a humorous web page. As a side effect of creating a web page, they will have acquired the skills they'll need later to create the XML layouts and whatnot needed for their apps. The later Android-specific chapters will start with simple XML usage for the early demos and build on that as the course goes.
The second chapter, on Java, will not just be to teach Java, but to teach beginners how to program, using Java. The reason this chapter will be intentionally longer than most of the other chapters, is because of those two goals. As with the first chapter, I will use humour and other techniques to keep the more experienced students engaged, while not loosing the less experienced students.
The technique of making the subjects engaging will continue through the book, and the goal of each chapter will be to create something practical, interesting, and fun. Simple, cartoonish artwork placed strategically through the chapter will enhance the humour. I've used this technique in previous training guides I've written, and I've always received positive feedback. I'm confident I can pull it off with this project too.
This sounds great. If I could afford it, I'd be in. I would love to learn how to write apps. Can you point me in the direction of some good free resources to help get someone started?
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twitch330 said:
This sounds great. If I could afford it, I'd be in. I would love to learn how to write apps. Can you point me in the direction of some good free resources to help get someone started?
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http://code.google.com/edu/introductory_courses.html
A good place to start
twitch330 said:
This sounds great. If I could afford it, I'd be in. I would love to learn how to write apps. Can you point me in the direction of some good free resources to help get someone started?
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Here's another great free one:
http://freevideolectures.com/Course/2981/Android-Application-Development-Spring-2012#
Obviously this will be more basic than what the OP is talking about going into in terms of project, but this should be a good place to start.
i would like to learn how to write apps too but im from india... :-/ is it possible from here??
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is there any website to sign up to??
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I wrote some examples to demonstrate my basic teaching style.
This first example is what I envision for the first chapter of the course book, which will be teaching XML. This would be the first page of that chapter, and you can see that it makes no assumptions about the student's prior experience. The topic is related to a real-world concept before introducing anything technical:
http://www.paulscode.com/projects/android_course/example_lesson_context.pdf
My second example would be much later in the book, demonstrating my style of explaining the concept clearly before diving into the code. This would be toward the end of the chapter. Obviously by this point in the course, the student will be familiar with Java, so the code parts will be very simple to follow and relate back to the concept being taught:
http://www.paulscode.com/projects/android_course/example_lesson_decisions.pdf
aravind ashok said:
i would like to learn how to write apps too but im from india... :-/ is it possible from here??
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Is kickstarter still not available in India? I'll put up a forum so you can follow the project outside of kickstarter. Honestly, I'm not very familiar with transactions between the US and India, so I can't really answer your question at the moment. Do you have the ability to transfer money through PayPal to people in the US from over there? If so, you should be able to sign up for the course once I finish it, just not get involved in the kickstarter campaign.
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is there any website to sign up to??
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The companion website is not finished yet, but I'll have at least a forum up in the next week or two for folks who want to follow and discuss the project outside of kickstarter. There aren't a lot of backers yet, but hopefully the community of interest will grow over time.
I've added a new reward tier to the kickstarter campaign. Backers can now pick t-shirts. You choose the size and color for the shirt, and pick from any of the designs below. I may add some more t-shirt designs here as well. If anyone is an artist and wants to help out the project, I'll definitely take more t-shirt design suggestions!
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can overseas guys join this?
I'm IN!!!
Okay, I'm in! I have already backed you in Kickstarter, plus the T-Shirt. :good:
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can overseas guys join this?
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If you can sign up for kickstarter, yes. I understand kickstarter isn't available everywhere (not sure where, you'd have to check)
That is allot of money for me. Are you planning to make this cheaper in the future or are you gonna keep it at that price?
Depends on the demand. If there isn't any demand, it will go a lot cheaper. To be honest, at the current rate, the project isn't likely to be funded anyway. Doesn't seem to even be enough demand to get it initially funded. Oh, well, that's how crowd funding works. It gives you a pretty good indication of whether or not something is likely to be popular or not.
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Guys, I want to ask for a favour.
Ages and ages back I read about what I thought was an amazingly cool gadget.
We like gadgets.
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I got speaking with the guy that invented this thing, and was mightily impressed. You'll be able to read my review soon... but this is the gadget:
The Alpha Grip:
It's a keyboard, compressed onto a gamepad like device. The keys are positioned around and under natural finger positions, according to usage and linguistic frequency; others are positions under the controller and used with rocker type switches.
It's difficult to describe, but the thing sits naturally in your hands and you have full keyboard access, in an exceptionally innovative, ergonomic design.
And, there's more - it also has a little trackerball that sits under your thumb position, so you can control both mouse and keyboard functions without ever taking your hands off the device.
It is complicated, and takes some getting used to, but when you are used to it, it's amazingly neat and geeky. I used to play all of my FPS games with a nostromo N52, but this thing lets you even further automate your gaming, macros and keyboard layouts. It's not quite the perfect game controller, but it's damn near close.
It is wired USB. Wires are baaad.
Unfortunately, it is not wireless or bluetooth etc, which is something I've spoken to the inventor about implementing. So, it's not quite ready for our phones yet, but as and when it is, wow.
However, I use it with an OQO mini computer and it's a perfect marriage, compact and highly productive (once you master the learning curve and get used to it). I guess you could use it with an xbox 360 and ps3 too, which would be cooool (although I've never tried). It emulates a standard USB Keyboard and mouse, so is highly compatible and doesn't use special drivers.
Anyway, enough blurb, I'm not selling this thing, I'm not even reviewing this thing here - you'll be able to read a full review from me eventually (and I'm in no way commercially connected or benefited from this).
However, my favour:
AlphaGrip, the company, have superb technical support and customer care. I like the product, I like the company. But you've probably never heard of either.
So: Yahoo have a competition on right now running between various small businesses that need more attention. I think Alphagrip needs and deserves this... so, have a look at the Yahoo page, and see if you think AlphaGrip deserves a vote. You don't have to buy the product, or even like it, but just decide if it deserves some of your mouse click love to get a gadget a bit more attention.
Gracias.
Yahoo Competition
V
PS. If you do buy one, tell Mike Willner, the inventor, that I sent you. I'll try to put in a good word for us and get us a deal.
EDIT: guys, I've just heard back from Mike, and he says that when you're buying the AlphaGrip, if you say that you're a member of this forum and write your XDA forums user ID in the comments section of the purchase page, you'll get $10 off the price.
And if you also mention that you've also voted on the Yahoo competition (quote something from his video interview to prove you've seen it), you'll get an extra $5 off! Go out and buy yourself a free lunch on Mike...
He said that they are certainly interested in doing a wireless adaptor or an all smartphone compatible version, so winning the competition will help get them the resources to do that. Hurry up and click already!
Guys, I want to repeat. I don't work for these guys, and aren't commercially linked to them in any way. I've just found Mike and his guys (and gals) to be a refreshingly helpful and conscientious tech company. They don't over inflate their claims, but make 100% solid and innovative stuff.
its got my vote.. im not a gamer but love me some gadgets, can see that thing being very useful
Thanks shogunmark!
I have to say that I'm quite a fan of non standard input devices. My all time favourite is the Microsoft Strategic Commander. If you've never seen one, it's basically the thing the little dude in Flight of the Navigator uses to fly the UFO. It kicks ass, but it's a bit too clever for it's own good. It actually has one axis assigned to flexing space/time, like too much Prince of Persia!
Day to day I tend to use the Nostromo n52 (not just for games, but general productivity work with appropriate macros, keyboard hooks and Windows PowerPro - my all time favourite app)
And I've also reviewed the Wolf Claw, which is more conventional, but useful for WASD users. I'm not a WASD fan personally.
BTW, I finally managed to spend some time with the Wii this weekend. It's not a particularly accurate input device, but novel - has anyone considered porting the open source Windows Bluetooth Input Interface to WinMob? It'd be cool to play doom on your phone on the Tube. Way to get shot in the head...
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EDIT: guys, I've just heard back from Mike, and he says that when you're buying the AlphaGrip, if you say that you're a member of this forum and write your XDA forums user ID in the comments section of the purchase page, you'll get $10 off the price.
And if you also mention that you've also voted on the Yahoo competition (quote something from his video interview to prove you've seen it), you'll get an extra $5 off! Go out and buy yourself a free lunch on Mike...
He said that they are certainly interested in doing a wireless adaptor or an all smartphone compatible version, so winning the competition will help get them the resources to do that. Hurry up and click already!
Also, Mike said that if you want to complain, make suggestions or ask for something completely different, go over to their development wiki to shape what a future Smartphone Compatible version should do.
http://wiki.alphagrips.com/AG-6+Suggestions
V
vijay555 said:
And if you also mention that you've also voted on the Yahoo competition (quote something from his video interview to prove you've seen it)
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Who watches video's?!?? i just do what the voices tell me to
just do what the voices tell me
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Last time I did that I woke up covered in axel grease with a suspicious-looking black ribbed knobbler
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vijay555 said:
Last time I did that I woke up covered in axel grease with a suspicious-looking black ribbed knobbler
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oh yeah, i remember those video's...
You should... . You didn't even cook breakfast.
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vijay555 said:
You should... . You didn't even cook breakfast.
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oh i cooked breakfast.. you were still sleeping, must have been all those roofies i slipped you
wow, talk about hijacking a thread
This thread has gotten really saucy!
It's funny, when checked the thread and first saw the pics of the controller, I thought someone was having some fun with Photoshop. That is one crazy looking gadget!
I think it's wild enough to be pretty cool though. I like anything new and weird though. (including this thread )
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Don't encourage them for gawd's sake Taurus. Sounds like they're as fruity as a nut cake:
Mike
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is that anything like this:
Ok you people, I'm gonna moderate myself and bring this back to game controllers.
The AlphaGrip is certainly not photoshopped, I have one here - it does requires practise to get up to speed, but it was the same with my nostromo, and now I use that thing like a natural extension of my being
If you have any questions about it, let me know...
Ok, to get back offtopic, or ontopic, I can't remember now given that 90% of this thread is rather, um, unsusual:
[SIZE=+1]Back Knobbler [/SIZE]Order code: BK
Manage your own chronic trigger point pain! The 2 different size ends and natural shape allow the user to apply as much pain releasing pressure for as long as required to achieve remarkable effects.
Price: £25.00 each
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Shogun, you know what to get me for being a good boy, this Christmas.
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PS Keep voting. You can vote once a day. But man, those wonky playhouses are cool!
vijay555 said:
Ok you people, I'm gonna moderate myself and bring this back to game controllers.
The AlphaGrip is certainly not photoshopped, I have one here - it does requires practise to get up to speed, but it was the same with my nostromo, and now I use that thing like a natural extension of my being
If you have any questions about it, let me know...
Ok, to get back offtopic, or ontopic, I can't remember now given that 90% of this thread is rather, um, unsusual:
Shogun, you know what to get me for being a good boy, this Christmas.
V
PS Keep voting. You can vote once a day. But man, those wonky playhouses are cool!
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I just voted again, looks like your guy is currently in the lead
Has there ever been a "usual" conversation between the mods, i mean really?!?
I can think of a few people that would need those for christmas
Looking at that knobbler thing, the more it seems to make sense.
My brain overheats just thinking about the possibilities... you can picture the Taewanese design manager sitting at his desk, staring at a blank sheet of paper:
"Ok, Monday morning, what to do, what to do?
We need to think of a device that has 1% useful therapeutic design, 99% obvious sexual function. We've done massagers, infra red heaters, relaxation balls...
I know, The Knobbler. Reaches the parts other double ended stimulation devices cannot reach."
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PS Yeah. moderators need help. Hormonal issues seem to be a necessary qualification for the job!
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My brain overheats
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I dont think thats your brain, but im sure you still think with it
vijay555 said:
you can picture the Taewanese design manager sitting at his desk, staring at a blank sheet of paper:
"Ok, Monday morning, what to do, what to do?
We need to think of a device that has 1% useful therapeutic design, 99% obvious sexual function. We've done massagers, infra red heaters, relaxation balls...
I know, The Knobbler. Reaches the parts other double ended stimulation devices cannot reach."
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You think thats tough.. can you imagine the Research and Development team on that?
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PS Yeah. moderators need help. Hormonal issues seem to be a necessary qualification for the job!
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I think thats pretty obvious, especially with that really old guy mikechannon
mikechannon said:
Since you boys obviously get on so well together and I'd rather keep well away from this very weird thread, I'm going to present you both with a much superior controller than vijay's suggestion. I think you'll find it reminds you of each other so you need never feel lonely again:
Mike
(and it's not even entered for gadget of the year!! Go on shake hands with an old friend!)
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was that from your private collection?
Mike, don't be jealous, you know you have an open invitation to the parties. Friday night, bring chocolate spread!
I won't elaborate any further on this:
V
PS: keep voting! I want Ivanka Trump to autograph my boobies.
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Mike, don't be jealous, you know you have an open invitation to the parties. Friday night, bring chocolate spread!
I won't elaborate any further on this:
V
PS: keep voting! I want Ivanka Trump to autograph my boobies.
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brings a whole new meaning to those traffic cones...
And mike, if you accept V's open invitation, you may want to consider some help..
And dont forget to vote
Hey guys, would any of you consider using the AlphaGrip or any of the above toys, including those for external application only?
One game pad I haven't owned is the Saitek Pro Gamer Command.
I played with it once on a display model and found it tacky and clunky. I much prefer the ergonomics of the Nostromo.
Do you guys ever use these things? Like I said, Nostromo is great for FPS, but you can also configure it to do stuff in productivity apps like PhotoShop, Word, VS2005, Winamp etc (although of course you can do that with pretty much any input device with appropriate software).
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Geez, what have I got myself into?! This thread degenerated in a hurry.
My brother is gonna enter the ANDROID contest he has good It knowledge but the contest will reward mostly original and break through innovative idea
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so we're gathering any comment or idea on what you would like to see on your mobile.Thanks in advance!
Private69.
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I would like to see Windows Mobile 6 on my phone so I can program in C# with the .NET framework that I'm already familiar with and have the tools for
I'm really not sure what developers will take up Android as it is just something extra to learn to achieve something that is already possible to do anyway. Open source or closed source doesn't make a difference to how well adopted a device OS becomes with developers, it's the tools and how well they are supported and it will take very much work for Android to have the sort of tools we see available for the compact framework in my opinion.
While MS has it bashers it certainly doesn't have a lack of support from developers as you only have to look at all the applications that are available for Windows Mobile, many are free, many not costing very much. Who needs yet another incompatible mobile device?
I don't see Android doing anything much any time soon. Just my opinion.
Regards
Phil
A good article to read for an opinion contrary to the OH MY GOD ANDROID IS COOL GOOGLE WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE MARKET mentality:
Article on Microsoft Watch
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My brother is gonna enter the ANDROID contest he has good It knowledge but the contest will reward mostly original and break through innovative idea
so we're gathering any comment or idea on what you would like to see on your mobile.Thanks in advance!
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LOL. Who isn't joining the ANDROID contest? I know I will. A cool $25k no questions asked, maybe even $300k or more? I'm sure I'll spend a week trying to make something for that!
Asking other people for ideas is a bit lame though. Essentially you are asking them to provide you with the grail to heaps of cash, for what?
I wanna see Android on my Wing! or matter of fact any HTC Device!
tell your brother to put Android on HTC, and im sure he'll win lots of money!
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A good article to read for an opinion contrary to the OH MY GOD ANDROID IS COOL GOOGLE WILL REVOLUTIONIZE THE MARKET mentality:
Article on Microsoft Watch
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What the? It's interesting how the spin can go isn't it?
Hell I don't know how preditory Google is, BUT, I don't recall Microsoft giving the source code out to Windows Mobile, and then offering 10 MILLION dollars in an OPEN invitation to to the world of developers in a challenge to make "Andriod" do as they will "it" to do with their insight and skills.
What a crock article...
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What the? It's interesting how the spin can go isn't it?
Hell I don't know how preditory Google is, BUT, I don't recall Microsoft giving the source code out to Windows Mobile, and then offering 10 MILLION dollars in an OPEN invitation to to the world of developers in a challenge to make "Andriod" do as they will "it" to do with their insight and skills.
What a crock article...
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I agree - what the!
I take the Android name to mean a device that will serve your needs? Perhaps as opposed to WM where you spend a lot of time fighting the device just to get it to do what you want...
I think MS have reason to be worried - my understanding is that Android is the first serious attempt at a (open!) GUI layer for Linux running on a ARM/XScale mobile device architecture. Pretty much invading the space that MS have had to themselves for a while now.
Linux has been capable of running on these devices for some time, but usually has been limited to embedded applications as there hasn't been the impetus to seriously develop it for consumer applications. I believe that the iPhone uses a Linux core, but Apple shot themselves in the foot a bit by making the GUI layer closed.
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Hell I don't know how preditory Google is, BUT, I don't recall Microsoft giving the source code out to Windows Mobile, and then offering 10 MILLION dollars in an OPEN invitation to to the world of developers in a challenge to make "Andriod" do as they will "it" to do with their insight and skills.
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Google are simply paying for development through prizes rather than trying to recruit the traditional way, may even be some tax benefits in giving away prize money in this way. I
What is in it for Google is getting the Google search page on millions of mobile phones, which of course will increase their advertising revenues.
Ironically when Microsoft give away software or pre-set their own search engine on Windows desktops they get into no end of trouble for it, yet Google is doing the same thing surely?
Google or Microsoft, free open source with prize money or a license fee and employed developers, either way it's just each company continuing their revenue streams in the way they see fit.
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Phil
if anyone wants to help on running android on a axim x50v or another htc device go to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076
I would love to see a Geocaching app for android. I currently use smache. So there is an idea for you.
www.geocaching.com
www.cyancanyon.com/software/smache/
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if anyone wants to help on running android on a axim x50v or another htc device go to this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=344076
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cool
thanks.
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I think the point behind the development prize, is its a great way to kick start the platform, because Google can go 'look at all the software options available', something which took time to get going on many platforms. Just look at Symbian, which has taken a couple of years to start getting some good apps, and Palm is suffering (in part) with developers switching to the Microsoft platform, hence some of the thinking behind switching some Palm hardware to run WinMobile. I've owned a number of smart phones over the years (Nokia 9110 anyone?) and they've all suffered from a tiny developer network - even java mobile apps aren't always consistent across devices.
Hopefully we'll see similar development work happen in the way that XDA Developers has helped the WM cause - it certainly influenced my decision to stick with WM for my recent refresh, and I'm certainly intending to checkout the devices when they're released (at around the same time as my contract is up for renewal) to see if its worth migrating.
Also, another point is that Android is based around Java, so anyone with Java development experience should be able to pick up and run with the platform. And the SDK and dev environment is FREE! Id like to try writing apps for WM, but I only want to tinker, so can't justify buying Visual Studio or any of the other payed for development environments. I'm tinkering with MortScript, but its not exactly a proper SDK!
I for one can't wait to see the devices that Android runs on, and see the applications that come about because of this contest!
When will we have the Android platform
on the wm6
I have a At&t Tilt
finally 21 and now i want software to help me get drunk in delicious fashion soo does anyone know of free software with mixes based on ingredients and such?
Here is one free one that I know of, however it is in no way the best. It actually references an online database to pull the drinks, so you would need a data plan to utilize it. It can be downloaded from freewarepocketpc at http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-pocketender.html
The best one that I have found is not free but was only like $14 USD and is fantastic. It is from Town Compass, but it is quite inclusive... Here's some of the info: http://software.techrepublic.com.com/abstract.aspx?docid=490101
App
There's a bunch on this site. check them out. i havent tried it yet thou.
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http://handheld.softpedia.com/downloadTag/drink+mix
http://handheld.softpedia.com/downloadTag/alcoholic+drink
http://handheld.softpedia.com/downloadTag/cocktail
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this is to check if your sober enough to drive lol.( theres probably a better app out there...)
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Health/AlcoholLevel-67390.shtml
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i personally love the bartender app on the tmobile G1 but i cannot find it for my phone... errrrrr
well i hope i helped some. and if anyone can find the bartender app from tmobile g1 and its compatible with raphael/fuze i would love to know!!
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After looking through what was available, I'm a bit appalled by how horrible most of those apps look (and work).
I'm a former (and possibly returning) bartender and used to be a regular on one of the bigger online cocktail forums...so trust me when I say that most of the apps I saw are abysmal in both looks and function.
If there's enough interest, I'd consider throwing together an application to do this all much better. Any thoughts?
AvantGo
Try using www.avantgo.com and add the "Drink Boy" channel. You'll get good recipes on a nice interface that you can view and search for offline. When you're online, it updates itself. I've had a lot of fun with it.
Oh yeah! Don't drink and drive.
speed_pour said:
If there's enough interest, I'd consider throwing together an application to do this all much better. Any thoughts?
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I would definately be down. I totally concur. Half the bartender apps are outdated or are a bit difficult to navigate through. Being an amature bartender, I use my database quite a bit, but yeah if there was a program that would allow you to enter in your liquors on hand and priovide you with possibile combinations... Damn... That'd be sweet....
Sorry it's too early in the morning....
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Heck yeah!
+1 as my favorite quote is: "Candy is Dandy, But Liquor is Quicker"
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speed_pour said:
After looking through what was available, I'm a bit appalled by how horrible most of those apps look (and work).
I'm a former (and possibly returning) bartender and used to be a regular on one of the bigger online cocktail forums...so trust me when I say that most of the apps I saw are abysmal in both looks and function.
If there's enough interest, I'd consider throwing together an application to do this all much better. Any thoughts?
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I'd love a drink mixing app.... so count me twice (for each hand that can hold a drink) lol
iam also a bartender and would love an app for mix drinks and shots!!! but dont forget to add the DEATHWISH shot:
DEATHWISH:
1/3 JAGER
1/3 WILD TURKEY 101
1/3 BACARDI 151
SPLASH OF GRENADINE...
(layer grenadine on bottom of shot glass, after pouring in liqours...)
(NOT FOR THE LIGHT DRINKER!!!)
I'll donate to such a cause since I completely agree on the crappy state of the mixing apps!
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I'll donate to such a cause since I completely agree on the crappy state of the mixing apps!
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I freely admit, since I'm out of work right now, I'm fine with being a whore
I've already got a bit of this started, but I'm working on another project first that I think will get a lot of wide-spread usage across the forum. But I'll get back to working on this one very soon.
In the mean time, are there any particular features anybody is looking for. I'm sure it'll be easy enough to figure out all of the features the drinkers want, but what about bartenders? Tell me how often you think you'll be entering drinks, what extra features do you need. Will you actually be using this while at work...with your fingers?
I know this is in the Raph section, though it belongs in Q&A or D&H, but does anybody here want a QVGA version, or dare I ask, W(Q)VGA? If this app is going to see finger-based controls (which I'd expect to make sense), it's not really going to work out having small windows controls, so graphics/resolution will be considered for the first version.
This site works well for me Webtender
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This site works well for me Webtender
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I used to be a regular contributor to the forums there...The biggest problem is that the drink database is absolutely cluttered with incorrect entries and missing a lot of common recipes.
When I start building a collection of recipes, there's actually a couple of people from that forum that I'm going to ask for help/collaboration. I'm also going to throw them a heads up to ask for any thoughts from them on what they would like to see.
Any update on this app being made?? Im very anxious to have it...
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Any update on this app being made?? Im very anxious to have it...
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lol, from me, it'll be at least a couple of weeks. I'm in the middle of working on another app that'll be quite a bit more relevant on this forum. But I will be coming back to this app shortly.
I'll post more info to this thread when I start it, and then I'll create a release thread in D&H (and post a link to it here) when there's a reasonably good start on a beta version.
You can help out by giving some ideas of what features you'd like to see in it.
this is very cool that you'd consider putting an app together, pour...the best reference app/source I've found is that DrinkBoy channel on avantgo. That said, my advice would be keep it very simple. Not only will this, hopefully, take burden and time from your investment to the group, but I don't think I'd be looking for anything other than:
-thorough database with accuracy on both contents and how to prepare
-a "my favorites" option for quick look-ups and personalization
-organize at the root based on main ingredient (e.g. rum, vodka, bourbon)
-a search option with fuzzy-esque searchability (e.g. southside, southsides or southsider would produce the same drink recipe)
I guess these may end up being more work than I thought but an accurate db, easy search and browse engine with a "my fav's" organizer would be PERFECTION for me!!
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my advice would be keep it very simple. Not only will this, hopefully, take burden and time from your investment to the group
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I kinda suspect, with luck, my app will draw attention from hopefully every group....the college students, bar patrons, and even bartenders from different types of places. For that reason, a "simple" app might not be too likely. Simple interface is definitely part of my plan, but the application itself is going to be pretty powerful and probably meant to cover a lot of people's uses.
bigred727 said:
but I don't think I'd be looking for anything other than:
-thorough database with accuracy on both contents and how to prepare
-a "my favorites" option for quick look-ups and personalization
-organize at the root based on main ingredient (e.g. rum, vodka, bourbon)
-a search option with fuzzy-esque searchability (e.g. southside, southsides or southsider would produce the same drink recipe)
I guess these may end up being more work than I thought but an accurate db, easy search and browse engine with a "my fav's" organizer would be PERFECTION for me!!
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- Favorites will be very easy to implement, so this is pretty much a sure thing.
- The database itself is a subject I intend to take more seriously than a lot of people probably expect (more on that in the future).
- I've got several ideas for searches/filters, each will be fleshed out as I build it. I'm aiming mostly for live searches and the first will be using quick ingredient filtering.
- fuzzy search...I'll see what I can do, but that's one I know very little about. Some quick googling turned up some information that's possibly VERY usable, but it's all written for the the big brother .Net Framework while the Compact Framework gets no love. I'll bookmark some of this stuff and see where I can go with it after I've released a first version. As much as it might be cool, I can't justify porting Lucene.Net to the compact framework for this project. In the mean time, I can use a "Sounds Like" mechanism that would probably do pretty well for an early version. I'm also a little worried about performance.
As a note, I'd previously said that I wouldn't be starting this until I finished another application. I feel a little dumb for not seeing it sooner, but I discovered Sashimi exists (though I haven't started testing it). While it sorely lacks about half of the features I planned to build, it does a far better job at the other half of the features I had in mind. I'm going to try out Sashimi for a while to determine if there's enough reason to build my app (or possibly a configurator/extension of sorts for use with Sashimi, if possible). As a result, I'm going to put that project on hold and move on to this one.
Second note...err, request actually...I'm ok with graphics...sometimes...But I want to make this app graphically attractive and possibly add skinning ability. At the very least, I will need a few decent looking icons for a few things, at the most, it might turn into an entire interface design. One of my goals is to make this app roughly comparable to something people might expect to buy form the iPhone AppStore (after all, everybody is *****ing about the lack of pretty WM apps). So, if anybody has decent graphics skills and is up for helping out, drop me a line and we'll bump some ideas around when I get to the right stage.
wow i had almost forgot about this thread glad to see something has come of it!
definetly excited to see what you come up with
Is this program still in active development? I hope it is because it sounds like it could be really nice/useful!
Hi,
I have an X1 with the latest updated software from SE.
I want to see if I can get my device to be more responsive / improved / resolve some quirks.
But I don't really have time to read through pages of FAQs and learn about cooking and kitchens and then research all the roms, etc.
So what I would like to request is for some phone optimization consulting services in exchange for green rectangles.
What I'd like to do is:
- Discuss my needs for the phone and how I currently use it.
- Get feedback on how we can improve the phone's performance and responsiveness to those needs.
- Walk me through any kind of ROM fixes/upgrades.
- Give me step-by-step documentation on repeating the process so I can do it again if I need to.
Please either post here or send a PM with your qualifications and an estimate. I think this will run about 2 hours (1 hr or less of discussion via IM and then 1 hr of doing upgrades, etc.)
Thanks.
well...as a personal non-offensive opinion. but if you don't have time to read here, then you shouldn't be thinking about trying to mod your phone to begin with.
I'll give you this free advice.
if you want to get rid of some annoying things and the very very unresponsive speed on the wm 6.1 on your x1. get xperiatweak2. that's something that'll help a heck load.
if you are willing to take the chance of modifying the rom (which sony will say your warrenty is over if they find any rom mods that have been done to phone), then read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446070 . as far as modding the rom goes, this topic has the most accurate information i've found so far.
and I highly recommand you read the forum topics that are posted here in the forum. That will help you more than us trying to tell you what to do and do everything for you.
we are all here willing to help you, but you need to do your part too.
"fish a day for a man, and he'll be full for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll be full for a life time"
I'm helping to start a new industry of cell phone optimization consultants, and you seem to turn your nose up at it.
I started my company doing things that others could do if they spent a few hours looking through documentation but just didn't have the aptitude or time to do so.
I have XPTweaker already. I presume you guys have made improvements to the ROM(s) to make the device run faster and better - or am I mistaken?
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I'm helping to start a new industry of cell phone optimization consultants, and you seem to turn your nose up at it.
I started my company doing things that others could do if they spent a few hours looking through documentation but just didn't have the aptitude or time to do so.
I have XPTweaker already. I presume you guys have made improvements to the ROM(s) to make the device run faster and better - or am I mistaken?
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Although you did feel compelled to rub your alleged achievements in his face, you didn't stop to actually read his post and understand what he's trying to convey. Now don't get me wrong - I mean no offense here, but you do have to understand that you joined a community that has a certain way of dealing with things. You're one of the many (many!) "new guys" that thinks (right or wrong, regardless) that they have a really good idea. This time you got the pre-programmed (or so it seems) response.
In my opinion you portray yourself a bit too selfless, regarding the starting a whole new industry. Fact remains that you posted here because you need help, not us (starting a new industry).
Having said that - I'm sure someone here will be interested in helping you out. If I understand correctly you're offering money for the service ("green rectangles") - perhaps this question belongs in the marketplace - I don't know.
If your search proves fruitless, you may PM me as a last resort - I could teach you the ropes.
Good luck, and enjoy your stay at XDA!
synpax said:
I'm helping to start a new industry of cell phone optimization consultants, and you seem to turn your nose up at it.
I started my company doing things that others could do if they spent a few hours looking through documentation but just didn't have the aptitude or time to do so.
I have XPTweaker already. I presume you guys have made improvements to the ROM(s) to make the device run faster and better - or am I mistaken?
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hey guys what is going on here ?
the man wants personalized help and is willing to pay for it. this is a reasonable request and i find it "trollish" to start and argue about it. it doesnt really matter what his background is. its a standart business decision to save some time and pay someone qualified to do required work or provide infos.
also i find it very annoying to scroll past a bunch of useless so-called "funny" images just to keep track of real posts.
how about helping people instead of using this as a personal entertainment-stage ?
QuadWord
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the man wants personalized help and is willing to pay for it. this is a reasonable request and i find it "trollish" to start and argue about it. it doesnt really matter what his background is. its a standart business decision to save some time and pay someone qualified to do required work or provide infos.
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+1.
To OP, maybe you can list your spec/requirements here. Then me or others could see how to help.
BTW, HTC Advance config tools is much better than Xperiatweak.
Maybe this better fits in Marketplace but I have a feeling that the expertise I am looking for lives here and not there.
I do not have time to become an expert in Rom modification and an expert in the variety of ROMs available, or in all of the applications available. I just don't. I'm an expert in other areas and can't also be an expert in this one. The opportunity costs are too high.
I tried reading the post earlier on HOW TO mod the rom but that's just a small part of the equation. WHICH rom? Why? what other applications? Etc.
There's something called comparative advantage. It means that - for at least one person here I hope - it is better for both of us for me to do what I'm good at, and use the revenue from that to compensate you for your expertise in X1A modifications.
If everyone took the approach of having to personally learn how to do everything they wanted to do, I would be out of a job and they would get a bad result or run out of time.
I think there's a certain elitism that some people hold, and it's probably a big reason as to why Linux hasn't gotten anywhere in the main stream, but I know that not everyone is so elitist so I'm hopeful that at least one of you who is an expert in this area would like to earn a fair amount over a period of an hour or two.
Anyway, PM me if interested. Posting here would probably get you labeled a "sellout" by your peers.
Angelusz said:
Although you did feel compelled to rub your alleged achievements in his face, you didn't stop to actually read his post and understand what he's trying to convey. Now don't get me wrong - I mean no offense here, but you do have to understand that you joined a community that has a certain way of dealing with things. You're one of the many (many!) "new guys" that thinks (right or wrong, regardless) that they have a really good idea. This time you got the pre-programmed (or so it seems) response.
In my opinion you portray yourself a bit too selfless, regarding the starting a whole new industry. Fact remains that you posted here because you need help, not us (starting a new industry).
Having said that - I'm sure someone here will be interested in helping you out. If I understand correctly you're offering money for the service ("green rectangles") - perhaps this question belongs in the marketplace - I don't know.
If your search proves fruitless, you may PM me as a last resort - I could teach you the ropes.
Good luck, and enjoy your stay at XDA!
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I'm a customer. I didn't rub achievements in his face, I explained how the world works. He told me I either have to join the club or f' off, essentially, and I'm afraid that's not how the world really works. Even open source developers have to pay their mortgage.
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I'm a customer. I didn't rub achievements in his face, I explained how the world works. He told me I either have to join the club or f' off, essentially, and I'm afraid that's not how the world really works. Even open source developers have to pay their mortgage.
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Alright, perhaps I misunderstood. That's just how it came across to me.
I think that Jackleung made a good point - it might be a good idea to be a bit more specific as to what you want.
As in the scenario you described earlier, here people also have specializations within certain parts of modifying the ROM/software. With a bit of specificity you might just find the right guy(/girl) for the job.
I'm not saying that you have to either join the club or screw off.
all that I'm saying is that if your willing to pay money and get someone to teach you the steps of getting things done and all that. why not spend a little time here and read some of the posts that people have posted up?
most tutorial posts here are all written up in steps, it's simple, easy, and direct.
and like the other guys have been saying all this time, you need to be more specific as to what you want so that the other members here can help you.
and similar to what I said from my first reply to you. I'm in no way trying to be rude to you or offend you in any sense. I just wanted to give you a little suggestion to help that's all.
synpax said:
Maybe this better fits in Marketplace but I have a feeling that the expertise I am looking for lives here and not there.
I do not have time to become an expert in Rom modification and an expert in the variety of ROMs available, or in all of the applications available. I just don't. I'm an expert in other areas and can't also be an expert in this one. The opportunity costs are too high.
I tried reading the post earlier on HOW TO mod the rom but that's just a small part of the equation. WHICH rom? Why? what other applications? Etc.
There's something called comparative advantage. It means that - for at least one person here I hope - it is better for both of us for me to do what I'm good at, and use the revenue from that to compensate you for your expertise in X1A modifications.
If everyone took the approach of having to personally learn how to do everything they wanted to do, I would be out of a job and they would get a bad result or run out of time.
I think there's a certain elitism that some people hold, and it's probably a big reason as to why Linux hasn't gotten anywhere in the main stream, but I know that not everyone is so elitist so I'm hopeful that at least one of you who is an expert in this area would like to earn a fair amount over a period of an hour or two.
Anyway, PM me if interested. Posting here would probably get you labeled a "sellout" by your peers.
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I'm a customer. I didn't rub achievements in his face, I explained how the world works. He told me I either have to join the club or f' off, essentially, and I'm afraid that's not how the world really works. Even open source developers have to pay their mortgage.
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asian_boi said:
all that I'm saying is that if your willing to pay money and get someone to teach you the steps of getting things done and all that. why not spend a little time here and read some of the posts that people have posted up?
most tutorial posts here are all written up in steps, it's simple, easy, and direct.
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I agreed to his "comparative advantage" theory. It's true it's more effective if everyone works on his/her specialty. (e.g. I gave up to teach my wife how to config (not even rom cooking) WM phone. I rather configure it for her... )
And least synpax stated very clearly he is willing to pay. Unlike some suckers who request free service without do his/her own readings. But again, it's more effective if synpax can list some of your spec/requirement here first.
orelsi, please stop your pointless and harassal reply.
I am working on a website where XDA cooks along with others can post their custom ROMs. I always tought this site is a disorganised mess if you are a newcomer. I built this solution from scratch and it's fully dynamic (PHP+MySQL). I'm almost done with the basics (registering, submitting, browsing...) but I'm still open to suggestions.
Here are a few screenshots. I'd love to get some opinions.
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A few possible domains for the website:
deviceroms.com
wmroms.com
To-do:
-Implement the ratings system
-Spread the word
-"Share this page" and other similar features.
[this used to be a reply to a post that was deleted]
I'm also looking for a complete list of Windows Mobile devices so I can list them in the catalog. I already have HTC devices, but I'd need the devices from Acer, HP and the rest too.
So, what do you people think?
Too many usernames
Hi,
That's a tidy looking design, from a user point of view I like XDA Developers because I sign in, and have access to some user support, software downloads, and ROM updates - without having to sign-up for another website...
I really like the idea of a dedicated portal for ROM updates, and detailed instructions for newbies - how about using your portal as an affiliate to XDA developers? So, for instance, I would use the same credentials to log into either site, or even a shared cookie / user database?
For obvious reasons I do not like to use the same credentials between sites, so for you to broker an arrangement with the administrator of this website for sharing the credential database / profiles / and web site traffic would make life for people like me easier....
If I were the administrator of this website with a large following I'd jump at the opportunity for portals and shared resources on other hosts to boost popularity...
There is a new portal on xda-developers coming soon, perhaps they'll address this?
there's no place like xda for ROMs, i'll pass. nice effort though.
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I really like the idea of a dedicated portal for ROM updates, and detailed instructions for newbies - how about using your portal as an affiliate to XDA developers? So, for instance, I would use the same credentials to log into either site, or even a shared cookie / user database?
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If I were the administrator of this website with a large following I'd jump at the opportunity for portals and shared resources on other hosts to boost popularity...
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Unless they bring you on as a contractor to add something to their existing vBulletin install, having a new 3rd party website access their user database is a major security worry. I guess they could create a user authentication API for you to plug into but that'll still be something to be concerned of both from XDA and existing XDA users trusting a new website.
Also with the gray shade legality of these non-MS authorized ROMs, I wouldn't expect their stance to be that accomodating to this. Perhaps you should consider focusing on helping them orginize these new software releases created by the XDA community. That's even harder to sort thru than the ROMs.
Just giving honest opinion from a fellow web developer.
I mostly made this to practice PHP while creating something that could potentially maintain itself financially (domain name+hosting).
I want to provide a way for newcomers and old users to easily find and compare ROMs for their devices. The forum as it actually is is not exactly a welcoming place for those looking for step-by-step guides and organized information. As for software releases, I'd be glad to support them to and even host them if I can afford it. Once the main frame is built, it can and will be reused for Android and software.
As for working with XDA-developers, I'd love it. I aim to integrate XDA-devs as tightly as possible with the rest of the site. However, credentials will stay separate from this site. It's not secure as stated above and might require ridiculous amounts of work from me and the (possibly disinterested) XDA-developers admin. Yet, there will be XDA-developers integration to a certain level.
deviceroms will be a tool, not a community.
I like this concept, please make it real soon and use a better design and simpler design for it
Semseddin said:
I like this concept, please make it real soon and use a better design and simpler design for it
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I tried to make it as simple and efficient as possible; navigation is simple, registration does not require email confirmation and everything is listed as to make browsing easier for a "ROM shopper". There WILL be moderation as I opted for full HTML support in the description.
As for the delivery date, expect it to be soon enough. I've got only a few work hours and I've done 75 percent of the job after already after 40 days.
The site as it is works but lacks critical features (editing existing listings, rating ROMs and changing account password).
If you need help with maintenance or moderating, let me know. Btw a small forum wouldn't hurt,too. At least a tool to comment on roms will be nice. People might read the reviews of them before downloading.
All the best !
nice job
really hope that you finhish the site soon
Semseddin said:
If you need help with maintenance or moderating, let me know. Btw a small forum wouldn't hurt,too. At least a tool to comment on roms will be nice. People might read the reviews of them before downloading.
All the best !
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Hey, you just gave me an idea! I know there are a lot of support/bug report posts in the ROM threads. This will also happen in the comments, so I'll include a dropdown box where they can select the comment's nature so they can be filtered.
You're welcome
That's a great idea.
N1c0_ds said:
Hey, you just gave me an idea! I know there are a lot of support/bug report posts in the ROM threads. This will also happen in the comments, so I'll include a dropdown box where they can select the comment's nature so they can be filtered.
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You should consider DIV tabs separating between comments/bug reports. Also you should consider doing a multi-faceted rating system:
Speed
Stability
Free Memory
Built-in Applications
Style/Visual
Then allow people to search and filter based on date plus the rating criteria they are looking for. (ie. within last 3 months that have average 5-star speed ratings)
Also please please please make sure your coding is secure.
The last person who posted on the board showing off that he made a windows mobile application blog/website had made his site public with major security flaws (SQL injection). If I didn't point it to him that there was a major flaw, it might have been left open and someone could have stolen all the e-mails and login info. Since it was a custom job he could have also stored the passwords in plaintext in the database, so any hacker using sql injection could have gotten XDA member's e-mail addresses and passwords which could be horrible if the XDA member is the type that uses the same password on multiple websites.
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You should consider DIV tabs separating between comments/bug reports. Also you should consider doing a multi-faceted rating system:
Speed
Stability
Free Memory
Built-in Applications
Style/Visual
Then allow people to search and filter based on date plus the rating criteria they are looking for. (ie. within last 3 months that have average 5-star speed ratings)
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That's a great idea. There is no ratings system yet, so that might be a cool idea. I still can't figure out a better way than storing individual votes in a table to limit users to a single vote per ROM.
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The last person who posted on the board showing off that he made a windows mobile application blog/website had made his site public with major security flaws (SQL injection). If I didn't point it to him that there was a major flaw, it might have been left open and someone could have stolen all the e-mails and login info. Since it was a custom job he could have also stored the passwords in plaintext in the database, so any hacker using sql injection could have gotten XDA member's e-mail addresses and passwords which could be horrible if the XDA member is the type that uses the same password on multiple websites.
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I'm a starter but I am well aware of the risks of SQL and script injection attacks. I am actively reading on the topic in order to prevent these before going live.
N1c0_ds said:
That's a great idea. There is no ratings system yet, so that might be a cool idea. I still can't figure out a better way than storing individual votes in a table to limit users to a single vote per ROM.
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Yeah that's the best way to do it. You could always have a CRON script to run everynight to parse the votes and store that value in a separate "ROM_Rating_Summary" table.
ROM_ID, RatingCount, AverageSpeedRating, AverageStabilityRating, AverageMemoryRating, AverageFeatureRating, AverageStyleRating, TotalSpeedPoints, TotalStabilityPoints, TotalMemoryPoints, TotalFeaturePoints, TotalStylePoints
So the cron will add up all the SpeedPoints from each user rating (4+3+5+2+3+4+4) and then divide it by RatingCount. 4+3+5+2+3+4+4 = 25 / 7 = 3.57 avg rating in Speed category. The cron will add the last days' new rating points and increment the rating count and then you divide and get the revised average rating. By parsing only the last day's worth of comments this way, it should be fast to loop thru even 1000 ROMs.
Have fun with it.
Alright folks! I'm 90% done! Once I get the BBCode support working, I'll upload it online for bug testing