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Just to say... Thank you!

Hi there!
I know there aren't many women in this forum, usually this type of advanced gadget is "seen" by most as man-only gadget, especially in the country where I live.
Anyways, I come here from time to time to read the news and I am very very impressed with the kind of knowledge you people have, it amazes me the things you have have archieved.
I never thought I would post here because I have nothing to contribute, but I decided to come here and say THANK YOU!
Thank you for offering and sharing with me (and others) this knowledge, keep up the good work!
Sorry for posting something non sense.

ke pa sa joga bonita senorita
i had no idea a hot chick like u even messes around with custumizing a Gadget like the Tilt...
wow im impressed.
riguti said:
Hi there!
I know there aren't many women in this forum, usually this type of advanced gadget is "seen" by most as man-only gadget, especially in the country where I live.
Anyways, I come here from time to time to read the news and I am very very impressed with the kind of knowledge you people have, it amazes me the things you have have archieved.
I never thought I would post here because I have nothing to contribute, but I decided to come here and say THANK YOU!
Thank you for offering and sharing with me (and others) this knowledge, keep up the good work!
Sorry for posting something non sense.
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lol... i dont speak spanish...
Ya, i read the guide and used the dutty's rom... i dont know.. i kinda liked it, the background is kinda "manish" but... its a cellphone, lol i wish there was a more of a female theme tho... but its all right!
I noticed it is a lot faster than the one that came with the kaiser so i am happy, I like this kind of things, you know... cellphones and stuff...
I was just a great experience for me, and its being really great.

riguti said:
lol... i dont speak spanish...
Ya, i read the guide and used the dutty's rom... i dont know.. i kinda liked it, the background is kinda "manish" but... its a cellphone, lol i wish there was a more of a female theme tho... but its all right!
I noticed it is a lot faster than the one that came with the kaiser so i am happy, I like this kind of things, you know... cellphones and stuff...
I was just a great experience for me, and its being really great.
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Create a theme out of any pic you want.
http://www.mperfect.net/tskTSK/
tseten said:
ke pa sa joga bonita senorita
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It would help if you knew what you were saying/spelling. Your spelling is all jacked up. Anyways he said whats up beautiful girl, as best I can tell and I grew up in Miami but his spelling is jacked.

actually i dont speak spanish either.. although i wish i knew...
so what language u guys talk in brazil.. i thought it was spanish and portugese
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Create a theme out of any pic you want.
http://www.mperfect.net/tskTSK/
It would help if you knew what you were saying/spelling. Your spelling is all jacked up. Anyways he said whats up beautiful girl, as best I can tell and I grew up in Miami but his spelling is jacked.
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i think i might have said whats up beautiful game girl...
joga bonita = beautiful game.
they say soccer is a beautiful game.. and i watch lot of soccer.. sure is better than watching basketball or football. i still dont undertstand my friends fasination with NFL... it honestly bores me to death.
P1Tater said:
Create a theme out of any pic you want.
http://www.mperfect.net/tskTSK/
It would help if you knew what you were saying/spelling. Your spelling is all jacked up. Anyways he said whats up beautiful girl, as best I can tell and I grew up in Miami but his spelling is jacked.
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riguti said:
Hi there!
I know there aren't many women in this forum, usually this type of advanced gadget is "seen" by most as man-only gadget, especially in the country where I live.
Anyways, I come here from time to time to read the news and I am very very impressed with the kind of knowledge you people have, it amazes me the things you have have archieved.
I never thought I would post here because I have nothing to contribute, but I decided to come here and say THANK YOU!
Thank you for offering and sharing with me (and others) this knowledge, keep up the good work!
Sorry for posting something non sense.
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Not to sound sexiest, But I'm glad you posted, women should be more interested in science and math and technology. But Societies shun that and push women into role of homemaker and if you want a job, become and English Teacher or something. I've found women often times can solve complex problems faster than men with the same skill set, simply because their mind works differently.

Hi riguti, please feel free to post on these forums... Your female input is sure needed and very welcome!
I'm sure your ideas might help someone!
Cheers!
Rayan

JimmyMcGee said:
Not to sound sexiest, But I'm glad you posted, women should be more interested in science and math and technology. But Societies shun that and push women into role of homemaker and if you want a job, become and English Teacher or something. I've found women often times can solve complex problems faster than men with the same skill set, simply because their mind works differently.
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Here, Here. Well stated

KD8DNS said:
Here, Here. Well stated
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i agree. women r fundamental to the society just like men.

tseten said:
...so what language u guys talk in brazil.. i thought it was spanish and portugese
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Hi Tseten, actually no... in Brazil we only speak portuguese, a lot of people are trying to study spanish because of the "mercosul", but well... I have some doubts if mercosul is really doing any difference for our economy...
JimmyMcGee said:
Not to sound sexiest, But I'm glad you posted, women should be more interested in science and math and technology. But Societies shun that and push women into role of homemaker and if you want a job, become and English Teacher or something. I've found women often times can solve complex problems faster than men with the same skill set, simply because their mind works differently.
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Somehow I am quite different from most people, I like technology, I like games and computers and cellphones. I was an user of the old Palm Treo, not a long ago I had a 680 that I absolutely loved. But then I saw the HTC Touch, with MSN! then I thought "OMG!! It has MSN!!", I am a heavy MSN user, i consider myself a chatterbox lol....
Then I started asking people about PDAs, and I decided to buy a Kaiser, it was kinda buggy and it never really worked the way I wanted, but at least I could play some of my favourite games from the Palm (think astraware). Then I found this forum and after installing dutty's thing MSN worked, so yay! I am Happy.
My opinion is WM lacks the simplicity and the "fast" response of the Palm OS, however WM is a lot more advanced and it has a lot more resource than the old palm. So I am still trying to perfect my skill...
Anyways, I don't know if women are better or worse than man, but we are surely different in some aspects especially when it comes to the cognitive approach...
Rayan said:
... Your female input is sure needed and very welcome!
I'm sure your ideas might help someone!
Cheers!
Rayan
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I do not have lots of ideas I just think that the user interface is not really appealing... For me it would be best if there was a way to really customize WM so we could have the programs categorized in a different way other than clicking start or pressing the windows button...
It would be nice if there was a way to have all the programs listed on the screen (divided by category), for easier access with the finger, maybe a way to navigate thru the pages using the finger...
And the contact list is always bad, WM should remember the most used phone numbers and just have a simple screen with photos and bigger icons, where you press it with your finger and it just dials...
Think of a bigger icons on the screen, instead of a list (or maybe at least have the ability to change from list view to icon view) and a way to scroll thru pages using the finger, maybe even sort by "most used" and "alphabetical list", just touch and dial, you know?
I believe they should focus more on using the finger other than using stylus, having small icons and small buttons on screen is not really helpful for fast access.
Maybe its only me... Maybe its because I am not really used to this hi-advanced phones, but thats what i think!

oooo shes cute..

JstarLuvsTina said:
oooo shes cute..
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??? eh?? ya... somehow i do believe that there are no women in here...

Hay guyz, I'm a girl too. Can I whore some attention as well? Hehe. XOXO <3
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hersheys said:
Hay guyz, I'm a girl too. Can I whore some attention as well? Hehe. XOXO <3
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YAY! Attention Whores!

Interface alternative ...
riguti said:
It would be nice if there was a way to have all the programs listed on the screen (divided by category), for easier access with the finger, maybe a way to navigate thru the pages using the finger...
And the contact list is always bad, WM should remember the most used phone numbers and just have a simple screen with photos and bigger icons, where you press it with your finger and it just dials...
Think of a bigger icons on the screen, instead of a list (or maybe at least have the ability to change from list view to icon view) and a way to scroll thru pages using the finger, maybe even sort by "most used" and "alphabetical list", just touch and dial, you know?
I believe they should focus more on using the finger other than using stylus, having small icons and small buttons on screen is not really helpful for fast access.
Maybe its only me... Maybe its because I am not really used to this hi-advanced phones, but thats what i think!
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There's actually a solution to your feeling about the "today's screen" interface, I felt exactly the same until I had a look into SPB Pocket & SPB Diary, I think they could rock your WM life

JimmyMcGee said:
Not to sound sexiest, But I'm glad you posted, women should be more interested in science and math and technology. But Societies shun that and push women into role of homemaker and if you want a job, become and English Teacher or something. I've found women often times can solve complex problems faster than men with the same skill set, simply because their mind works differently.
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I definitely don't think you sound sexiest, but then I haven't heard your voice - it may have a really husky quality that I might like!
Then again, maybe you meant 'sexist'

LOL, girl I see girl, get girl get her.... LOL Anyways, I want to say Thank you back. You've trolled this forum and never had to ask a question.
Thank you for using search. WOOT.

hersheys said:
Hay guyz, I'm a girl too. Can I whore some attention as well? Hehe. XOXO <3
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LOL, looking like that around here you can whore anything you want.

You Need To See This!!!

CLICK HERE
I dont think I've ever seen anybody give such a biased review as this, this guy had my blood boiling for a moment.
Take a look if you dare and judge for yourself. Tell me if you can keep your composure...
Star Wars said:
Wow this guy is a dumbass!
I have seen lizards sunbathing give better reviews than this, then again this is the iphone blog so I guess I may have been expecting a little too much since peripheral vision with other electronic devices that aren’t Apple pretty much is non-existent, I guess he can be forgiven.
Great star wars theme impression tho!
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lol best comment ever!!!

who gives a flying f**k about what an Apple-Fanboy has to say about WinMo Devices ?
He can berate our Hardware until he starts bleeding from every orifice, but the iPhone will never be as customizable and extendable than ANY WinMo Phone, period.
Best example is AppStore... you get to pay for second class (and that's really saying it in a nice way) software that only has a few functions which are badly implemented.
Also, you are seeing what kind of Audience Apple is trying to attract when you look at the "Facebook" App.
They should release apps for MySpace, Twitter, StickAm and stuff like that for all the young and hip media-prostitutes out there too.

jadephyre said:
who gives a flying f**k about what an Apple-Fanboy has to say about WinMo Devices ?
He can berate our Hardware until he starts bleeding from every orifice, but the iPhone will never be as customizable and extendable than ANY WinMo Phone, period.
Best example is AppStore... you get to pay for second class (and that's really saying it in a nice way) software that only has a few functions which are badly implemented.
Also, you are seeing what kind of Audience Apple is trying to attract when you look at the "Facebook" App.
They should release apps for MySpace, Twitter, StickAm and stuff like that for all the young and hip media-prostitutes out there too.
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+1
Neither do I give a rats a** but its astonishing how someone can put out that piece of junk (only going as deep as the main menu) and call it a review.
Then again if it's a calculated scheme to increase number of hits to their site, then i guess they have succeeded, can't say if it's the right attention though.

Cant see why the fuss - the review was pretty sh*t but the phone looks like a bloater, its way to thick for my taste and makes my Touch look like its super thin. And his comments about the interface are true - in its pursuit to make eye candy HTC keep making it slower and more error prone. I would never buy an Iphone as i love the customization of the HTC but for your average phone user who does not want to learn anything at all the iphone gives them all they need.

I just can't stand Apple and their Marketing Tactics... they make it sound like they were the first to bring a Smartphone (which the iPhone actually isn't) to the Market that has a touchscreen... and Millions of fanboys actually fall in line and buy that crap.
I'm not saying that Apple Computers are crap, they're good at a few things too, chief among which is "looking good" but did the world really need that overhyped Phone ?

well it's definitely not thin, thats something I can live with, granted all that it does. Guess when there is a phone with all the capabilities of the TP as thin as a diamond with a 5 row keyboard, then we can complain. About the phone being slow, any phone during initial start up process is slow, its not HTC specific.
I don't have beef with Apple, just the fanboys and the fanboy sites!
He compares a TP to a Samsung Instinct for God's sake!!!

I could care less if my Phone was the size of a frickin' cinder-block as long as it does everything I want it to do... it does not have to be slim enough to slide it through underneath a Door.
I'll probably get me an HTC Opal next year or so, with Manila 2D... that thing will make me happier than any iPhone that will ever see the light of day.

What a fool!!!!
Holy **** he makes HTC Fuze makes the most ****ing piece of crap ever made! jajajaja i will make a video review for my hermes and it will be much better than that stupidity useless preview.... Holy **** this makes me hunger!!!

That was actually rather ridiculous. He does make some valid points as to WM's lack of finesse in some departments, but he really seemed to go out of his way to be child-like and/or a douche bag with that phone.
Yes, I tend to use a stylus with my Tilt because the screen seems to be purposefully fighting me, but it's not nearly as bad as he's making it out to be.

"The era of hard keyboards is over"
whatever, I think this review is totaly refering to the guys inteligence. He complains that he dont know how to use the sliding of the pics and music. How is that silly.

LOL
The music of "star wars" is hilarious!!
Hahahaha

origins81 said:
well it's definitely not thin, thats something I can live with, granted all that it does. Guess when there is a phone with all the capabilities of the TP as thin as a diamond with a 5 row keyboard, then we can complain. About the phone being slow, any phone during initial start up process is slow, its not HTC specific.
I don't have beef with Apple, just the fanboys and the fanboy sites!
He compares a TP to a Samsung Instinct for God's sake!!!
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Which is funny, because the Samsung Instinct has the same features/layout as the iPhone.

orb3000 said:
Sorry to disagree with you but that´s not true, hard keyboards will never be substituted, just wait a few months and you´ll see what´s coming...
Respectfully,
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That was not my words, the guy in the review said that, and my coment on that was: "whatever".
That means that I disagree with that statement.

Mikulec said:
That was not my words, the guy in the review said that, and my coment on that was: "whatever".
That means that I disagree with that statement.
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Ohh I´m sorry, my mistake
Cheers,

Wow, that is truly a slap on the neck. He just could be the most annoying thing ever with that introduction. It's a rather childish review if you ask me.

That idiot with his comments is one the biggest stupidities i've seen in my life. If his brain capacity is not high enough (or there at all) to manipulate a pocket pc, he should have never blame it on the device and get himself a Motorola Startak (with the Manual Book and Quick Reference Guide of course!!).

Haha! I bet he still uses it.

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he touches the screen like a cat scratching a tire

the guy is like woody allen reviewing a phone

well, he does have ONE point, the "smoothness" of the phone isnt all that great, coming(him, not me) from the iphone, you shouldn't have to wait for your touch to take effect, for example when he is trying to navigate in HTCalbum. stupid qualcomm CPU's. I'm not buying another htc phone until they use a different processor, I was ALMOST fooled with the TouchPRO, until I saw some videos and heard some input. in some ways its worse and slower than the kaiser.
We need an HTC phone that is as fast as the iphone or faster. I'm really surprised HTC hasn't tried to compete speed wise, it really amazes me...
o, but anyway, about the video.
Yeah he kinda sucks at reviewing. And it's obvious he is a noob to TouchFLO3d lol. he's not grabbing the current tab, he's just sliding on other tabs.

free drink mix software?

finally 21 and now i want software to help me get drunk in delicious fashion soo does anyone know of free software with mixes based on ingredients and such?

Here is one free one that I know of, however it is in no way the best. It actually references an online database to pull the drinks, so you would need a data plan to utilize it. It can be downloaded from freewarepocketpc at http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-pocketender.html
The best one that I have found is not free but was only like $14 USD and is fantastic. It is from Town Compass, but it is quite inclusive... Here's some of the info: http://software.techrepublic.com.com/abstract.aspx?docid=490101

App
There's a bunch on this site. check them out. i havent tried it yet thou.
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http://handheld.softpedia.com/downloadTag/drink+mix
http://handheld.softpedia.com/downloadTag/alcoholic+drink
http://handheld.softpedia.com/downloadTag/cocktail
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this is to check if your sober enough to drive lol.( theres probably a better app out there...)
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Health/AlcoholLevel-67390.shtml
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i personally love the bartender app on the tmobile G1 but i cannot find it for my phone... errrrrr
well i hope i helped some. and if anyone can find the bartender app from tmobile g1 and its compatible with raphael/fuze i would love to know!!
later

After looking through what was available, I'm a bit appalled by how horrible most of those apps look (and work).
I'm a former (and possibly returning) bartender and used to be a regular on one of the bigger online cocktail forums...so trust me when I say that most of the apps I saw are abysmal in both looks and function.
If there's enough interest, I'd consider throwing together an application to do this all much better. Any thoughts?

AvantGo
Try using www.avantgo.com and add the "Drink Boy" channel. You'll get good recipes on a nice interface that you can view and search for offline. When you're online, it updates itself. I've had a lot of fun with it.
Oh yeah! Don't drink and drive.

speed_pour said:
If there's enough interest, I'd consider throwing together an application to do this all much better. Any thoughts?
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I would definately be down. I totally concur. Half the bartender apps are outdated or are a bit difficult to navigate through. Being an amature bartender, I use my database quite a bit, but yeah if there was a program that would allow you to enter in your liquors on hand and priovide you with possibile combinations... Damn... That'd be sweet....
Sorry it's too early in the morning....

speed_pour said:
If there's enough interest, I'd consider throwing together an application to do this all much better. Any thoughts?
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Heck yeah!

+1 as my favorite quote is: "Candy is Dandy, But Liquor is Quicker"
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speed_pour said:
After looking through what was available, I'm a bit appalled by how horrible most of those apps look (and work).
I'm a former (and possibly returning) bartender and used to be a regular on one of the bigger online cocktail forums...so trust me when I say that most of the apps I saw are abysmal in both looks and function.
If there's enough interest, I'd consider throwing together an application to do this all much better. Any thoughts?
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I'd love a drink mixing app.... so count me twice (for each hand that can hold a drink) lol

iam also a bartender and would love an app for mix drinks and shots!!! but dont forget to add the DEATHWISH shot:
DEATHWISH:
1/3 JAGER
1/3 WILD TURKEY 101
1/3 BACARDI 151
SPLASH OF GRENADINE...
(layer grenadine on bottom of shot glass, after pouring in liqours...)
(NOT FOR THE LIGHT DRINKER!!!)

I'll donate to such a cause since I completely agree on the crappy state of the mixing apps!

sherv said:
I'll donate to such a cause since I completely agree on the crappy state of the mixing apps!
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I freely admit, since I'm out of work right now, I'm fine with being a whore
I've already got a bit of this started, but I'm working on another project first that I think will get a lot of wide-spread usage across the forum. But I'll get back to working on this one very soon.
In the mean time, are there any particular features anybody is looking for. I'm sure it'll be easy enough to figure out all of the features the drinkers want, but what about bartenders? Tell me how often you think you'll be entering drinks, what extra features do you need. Will you actually be using this while at work...with your fingers?
I know this is in the Raph section, though it belongs in Q&A or D&H, but does anybody here want a QVGA version, or dare I ask, W(Q)VGA? If this app is going to see finger-based controls (which I'd expect to make sense), it's not really going to work out having small windows controls, so graphics/resolution will be considered for the first version.

This site works well for me Webtender

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This site works well for me Webtender
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I used to be a regular contributor to the forums there...The biggest problem is that the drink database is absolutely cluttered with incorrect entries and missing a lot of common recipes.
When I start building a collection of recipes, there's actually a couple of people from that forum that I'm going to ask for help/collaboration. I'm also going to throw them a heads up to ask for any thoughts from them on what they would like to see.

Any update on this app being made?? Im very anxious to have it...

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Any update on this app being made?? Im very anxious to have it...
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lol, from me, it'll be at least a couple of weeks. I'm in the middle of working on another app that'll be quite a bit more relevant on this forum. But I will be coming back to this app shortly.
I'll post more info to this thread when I start it, and then I'll create a release thread in D&H (and post a link to it here) when there's a reasonably good start on a beta version.
You can help out by giving some ideas of what features you'd like to see in it.

this is very cool that you'd consider putting an app together, pour...the best reference app/source I've found is that DrinkBoy channel on avantgo. That said, my advice would be keep it very simple. Not only will this, hopefully, take burden and time from your investment to the group, but I don't think I'd be looking for anything other than:
-thorough database with accuracy on both contents and how to prepare
-a "my favorites" option for quick look-ups and personalization
-organize at the root based on main ingredient (e.g. rum, vodka, bourbon)
-a search option with fuzzy-esque searchability (e.g. southside, southsides or southsider would produce the same drink recipe)
I guess these may end up being more work than I thought but an accurate db, easy search and browse engine with a "my fav's" organizer would be PERFECTION for me!!

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my advice would be keep it very simple. Not only will this, hopefully, take burden and time from your investment to the group
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I kinda suspect, with luck, my app will draw attention from hopefully every group....the college students, bar patrons, and even bartenders from different types of places. For that reason, a "simple" app might not be too likely. Simple interface is definitely part of my plan, but the application itself is going to be pretty powerful and probably meant to cover a lot of people's uses.
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but I don't think I'd be looking for anything other than:
-thorough database with accuracy on both contents and how to prepare
-a "my favorites" option for quick look-ups and personalization
-organize at the root based on main ingredient (e.g. rum, vodka, bourbon)
-a search option with fuzzy-esque searchability (e.g. southside, southsides or southsider would produce the same drink recipe)
I guess these may end up being more work than I thought but an accurate db, easy search and browse engine with a "my fav's" organizer would be PERFECTION for me!!
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- Favorites will be very easy to implement, so this is pretty much a sure thing.
- The database itself is a subject I intend to take more seriously than a lot of people probably expect (more on that in the future).
- I've got several ideas for searches/filters, each will be fleshed out as I build it. I'm aiming mostly for live searches and the first will be using quick ingredient filtering.
- fuzzy search...I'll see what I can do, but that's one I know very little about. Some quick googling turned up some information that's possibly VERY usable, but it's all written for the the big brother .Net Framework while the Compact Framework gets no love. I'll bookmark some of this stuff and see where I can go with it after I've released a first version. As much as it might be cool, I can't justify porting Lucene.Net to the compact framework for this project. In the mean time, I can use a "Sounds Like" mechanism that would probably do pretty well for an early version. I'm also a little worried about performance.
As a note, I'd previously said that I wouldn't be starting this until I finished another application. I feel a little dumb for not seeing it sooner, but I discovered Sashimi exists (though I haven't started testing it). While it sorely lacks about half of the features I planned to build, it does a far better job at the other half of the features I had in mind. I'm going to try out Sashimi for a while to determine if there's enough reason to build my app (or possibly a configurator/extension of sorts for use with Sashimi, if possible). As a result, I'm going to put that project on hold and move on to this one.
Second note...err, request actually...I'm ok with graphics...sometimes...But I want to make this app graphically attractive and possibly add skinning ability. At the very least, I will need a few decent looking icons for a few things, at the most, it might turn into an entire interface design. One of my goals is to make this app roughly comparable to something people might expect to buy form the iPhone AppStore (after all, everybody is *****ing about the lack of pretty WM apps). So, if anybody has decent graphics skills and is up for helping out, drop me a line and we'll bump some ideas around when I get to the right stage.

wow i had almost forgot about this thread glad to see something has come of it!
definetly excited to see what you come up with

Is this program still in active development? I hope it is because it sounds like it could be really nice/useful!

[Jan. 23]Android Concept Cases

If you would want this idea to be made, post a reply saying so! The more support, the more chance we can make this project work!
1-23​*Update* I've been working very hard on this project. I've updated my "Blueprints" and will be making side & back views plus way more ideas than you can throw a stick at. I know this post is not much but pics and some words but just be patient. I will be throwing these models out to the marketers as soon as they're done. I want to try to get these made and ready to be sold for anyone that wants one before the end of this year. I know that's a stretch on time, but I'm still learning about the business side of distributing sadly to say, but if you have any pointers or anything you can help with, feel free to PM me or leave your feedback below! Thanks
-Bryan​
1-22​Hi everyone! I have been looking all over to find a case for my HD2. So far the only case that I found is an Otterbox Defender Series. It's a really nice case but I think the grey is a gross color for it plus, we now have the ability to have nothing but the Android OS on our device right? So why do we have to have the windows buttons? Why can't we have Android looking buttons? Why do we spend so much money and time on something we can't completely make our own (considering the T-Mobile logo at the top if you have a TMOUS HD2 like I do but don't use a T-Mobile SIM card)? That brings me to my point. That's why I made this concept drawing. I want it to be a rubber cover that goes snuggly over the device like an Otterbox Defender Case. I designed these two models to have custom made Android buttons. If anyone would want to help this project or want to give me any pointers to help me make this happen, PM me or leave your feedback below
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I like the idea, but the manufacturing costs will be quite high for individual units. I'm sure Otterbox wouldn't design and construct a new outer-case for a few consumers. If you have the means to manufacture them yourself, be wary of the patents in place by Otterbox.
Either way, good luck. If you can pull it off, I'd get one.

I don't think it's proper for you to solicit for money for your pet project. Basically, all you've said is "Donate/Pay me and I might work on this concept drawing based on someone else's case."
Now think about it objectively, would *You* find that a bit odd from someone with a handful of posts on the forum?
Btw, those buttons aren't even the shape of the HD2 buttons.
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Just looking at the forum rules, yeah, asking for upfront donations is a "NO-NO":
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8. Donations.
As a user you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work. However donations up front are not allowed, this forum is about sharing, not about getting paid to do something, that's what your job is for.
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i dont really see the point of doing this

apallohadas said:
I don't think it's proper for you to solicit for money for your pet project. Basically, all you've said is "Donate/Pay me and I might work on this concept drawing based on someone else's case."
Now think about it objectively, would *You* find that a bit odd from someone with a handful of posts on the forum?
Btw, those buttons aren't even the shape of the HD2 buttons.
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Just looking at the forum rules, yeah, asking for upfront donations is a "NO-NO":
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Ok first off, these xda forums is designed for new ideas and progression. Not for people to criticize when you don't know what your talking about. What I was saying is "I'm going to develop and make these cases with a style like Otterbox." I'm not asking anyone to donate me. I'm not asking anyone to like this case either. I'm simply asking for ideas on the case. I want people to get exactly what they want. It's people like you that intimidates people into not saying any ideas that could possibly turn into something great. I will make this case and when I do, you'll find that when you get off your period that you shouldn't discourage people. Only give good criticism. And the whole phone is covered with the rubber for the case besides the screen. Do some research before you open your mouth.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytsfeLK7Bc0

sbryan12144 said:
Ok first off, these xda forums is designed for new ideas and progression. Not for people to criticize when you don't know what your talking about. What I was saying is "I'm going to develop and make these cases with a style like Otterbox." I'm not asking anyone to donate me. I'm not asking anyone to like this case either. I'm simply asking for ideas on the case. I want people to get exactly what they want. It's people like you that intimidates people into not saying any ideas that could possibly turn into something great. I will make this case and when I do, you'll find that when you get off your period that you shouldn't discourage people. Only give good criticism. And the whole phone is covered with the rubber for the case besides the screen. Do some research before you open your mouth.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytsfeLK7Bc0
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One thing that you learn when you grow up and move out of mommy's basement, is that criticism doesn't mean "tell me what I want to hear". There's nothing 'new' or 'progressive' about your case kid.
With all of your 12 posts under your belt, in your ORIGINAL post you asked for money. I'll repeat that just in case your short attention span made you get distracted.
YOU ASKED FOR DONATIONS FOR A NON-EXISTENT PRODUCT.
From your response above, you sound to me like you're a scamming little thief, not a venture capitalist. (Look that up if the words are too big for you.)
If you want me to respond to you as an adult to a child, I can do that. If you want me to respond to you as though you're something else, let me know k?
Oh, and genius? Thanks for the link to the Otterbox review, Oh wait! I own it already! *gasp*

apallohadas said:
One thing that you learn when you grow up and move out of mommy's basement, is that criticism doesn't mean "tell me what I want to hear". There's nothing 'new' or 'progressive' about your case kid.
With all of your 12 posts under your belt, in your ORIGINAL post you asked for money. I'll repeat that just in case your short attention span made you get distracted.
YOU ASKED FOR DONATIONS FOR A NON-EXISTENT PRODUCT.
From your response above, you sound to me like you're a scamming little thief, not a venture capitalist. (Look that up if the words are too big for you.)
If you want me to respond to you as an adult to a child, I can do that. If you want me to respond to you as though you're something else, let me know k?
Oh, and genius? Thanks for the link to the Otterbox review, Oh wait! I own it already! *gasp*
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do you think your cool because have two hundred + posts about you giving people a hard time? if you don't want to help or give criticism thats worth mentioning, shut the hell up and stay off of this post. ill repeat myself since you didnt understand the first time: i never asked them for donations, i said help would be nice NOT ASKED! i never even had a donations link up. if i was trying to scam someone dont you think i would have had a different approach to it rather what i did? your sad that you think that just from the amount of posts that that makes you worth listening to. i live on my own with my fiancée thank you very much. look, i would never try to scam anyone and i never will. i just wanted to design a case that i think people would like. i mean i would and considering the fact that android ported to the hd2 is very very popular, i think this idea is thinking out of the box. Granted, i have no experience in marketing or anything like that, but thats why i made this post. to get help doing so, but if i made one person happy by designing a case that people will enjoy, im satisfied. look you obviously are very judgmental to this whole idea, but if you could help me by leading me in the right direction rather than what you are doing, i could prove to you that im an honest person just trying to get my thoughts heard.
-Bryan

My cool factor has little to do with you trying to scam the forum.
Want advice?
1) Stop lying. Your first post asked for donations and "I'll put up a donate link later". Now you're pretending that you never asked for donations.
2) If you really want advice, stop acting like a little snot-nosed baby who misses his binky. You haven't proposed anything new. Even your sketches are taken from some other phone and you reference someone else's product. I'm missing the new and progressive content for which you were asking for money.
3) Brace yourself for criticism. In the adult world, it happens. A lot. No one is going to hold your hand and whisper softly "well lil Johnny, here's a bundle of cash for a half-thought idea". My first post was fairly neutral and you went off like I killed your favorite bunny. That set the stage for how we're interacting now.
Since I do own my own business, I could certainly tell you how to get things rolling, but as a business owner I also know when someone's peddling garbage, and right now you have a handful of crap.
So, here's some freebie advice: Don't ask for money again. If or when you have an actual product, the market (people) will decide what it's worth, if anything at all.
Sit down with a pencil and lots of paper, and start sketching. Unless you propose something radical (like the otterbox's 2 piece hard/soft combination) you'll just be making 'another silicon gel case' like the other hundred out there. But where you can be different is in some custom design, print, etching, or logo on the back.
There's no real estate on the front of the HD2 that be used creatively, so that leaves the back. Look at some Speck iPod cases for textured patterns and designs. If you come up with something really different, PATENT THE DESIGN then send it to Speckle or Otterbox for review. If it doesn't suck, they might use it.
BUT (Big ole BUT), be prepared for a lot of "That sucks. Try again."

all this back-and-forth aside.... a diy writeup on something like this... even in basic form gets my upvote

I really like the idea a lot. It would be great to have my phone actually look like what I have running it. I mean, you can mod everything else why not the button lay out. I've polished my battery backplate as seen here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=888431
It would be great for you to come up with something on the lines to match that
but all in all it's a great idea and I'd be the first to 'donate'

Well idea is nice and little shaddy lol as I do think you are just out to get money no offense intended but what it comes down to is few things overhead costs, production, reliability, marketing in large scale operation you can bargain and cut the middle man but in your case you have to go though middle man thus driving the price higher. But hey if you want to do this then go ahead you don't need anyone permission just be eBay seller and post it on custom sites.

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Why dont you go to a chineese Manufacturer with the idea,they might be interested,However ide have to say i would be more interested in a better range of housing,They done it with the Blackstone,The chineese brought out different coulourd replacement housing for it,why cant we have a range of different colourd replacement housing for this beast like white,red rather than the standerd black,They would also do buttons,ide much rather have the standard hardware buttons rather than spending a lot of time trying to get ones like the evo,we could keep the hardware but just ask the chineese nicely to change the logos on the actual buttons to make them android style and rather than have a windows logo,just the words menu there instead,i think that would be a much more viable project,people would actually want to see that becouse it gives the device a new image without using cases or stuff like that

I don't like it
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Myself and two of my co-workers have HD2 running android. It would be a pretty sweet case if it came to fruition.
And to comment on what the others said, I was impressed that you took the time to draw that image, so at least you put "some" time into your idea thus far. I was less than enthused to watch your youtube video you posted, which seemed to be a "shameless plug" to bring in traffic to some poorly designed accessory site that presumably you're affiliated with.You just seem to me like one of those people that posts on forums to buy Viagra, but you form actual sentences with your solicitation, LOL.

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And to comment on what the others said, I was impressed that you took the time to draw that image, so at least you put "some" time into your idea thus far. I was less than enthused to watch your youtube video you posted, which seemed to be a "shameless plug" to bring in traffic to some poorly designed accessory site that presumably you're affiliated with.You just seem to me like one of those people that posts on forums to buy Viagra, but you form actual sentences with your solicitation, LOL.
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JWang158 said:
I solved the button problem by printing a few sticky cutouts and placing them on top. The light disperses like it was meant to be that way. Try it yourself!
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Can you show pictures of how it looks?
PS. I would go along with this idea.

So where are the sketches/designs?
Please dont tell me its just that thing which changes color? I could have mocked something up better using Deluxe Paint on my Amiga 1200 (seriously!!)
What I really think we need is completley new housing not just a case. Some Android and WP7 housing would be sweet!

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So where are the sketches/designs?
Please dont tell me its just that thing which changes color? I could have mocked something up better using Deluxe Paint on my Amiga 1200 (seriously!!)
What I really think we need is completley new housing not just a case. Some Android and WP7 housing would be sweet!
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You know, I was actually thinking about that myself. Like replacing the existing framework on the hd2 and replace it with the android or WP7 housing. Now that would be sweet.
I wish someone would start getting creative for this kind of stuff. As long as new phones are being made. HD2 will almost always be on top of it.

Lol, I thought you weren't asking for donations?

HOWTO: Live an Active & Healthy lifestyle thread

Hey guys!
So - I know there's a lot of you that are pretty active runners, cyclists, swimmers etc. But there are some of you that want to start! I feel that everyone should have a healthy form of exercise, and diet. It just makes you feel a lot better, (mentally and physically) and you just plain live longer. Why wouldn't you want to be healthy?
This idea behind this thread is that I hope to build a mini community of people here - helping others either A) Get back to living an healthy active lifestyle or B) Get others into it! and most importantly C) Encouragement to continue doing so!
This thread is perfect for you if you're COMPLETELY new to working out or getting active. SO please ask questions! Don't be shy - either myself or someone else can answer!
A little about myself: In a nutshell, I was pretty small growing up. I was bullied a lot and was told that I wasn't going to become anything. So I believed that, and carried it until near the end of high school. After that I began to surround myself with good, positive people who were really encouraging and active which led me to working out, cycling, and running. I've now have a positive attitude, changed how I eat, and work, now life is pretty much looking up! (business in the making, and much more active and happier.) The main thing I learnt from the entire experience was that the only reason I failed, is because I believed what others told me - and didn't do anything about it to fix it. DO NOT make the same mistake and make the difference. Don't wait.
How to get started you ask? Easy. Find something you enjoy! and CHANGE your current diet!
Then go from there! It doesn't have to strenuous! Even going for a nice walk daily can make a difference! I've included some resources below. Please use them to help you achieve your goals.
RESOURCES
APPS
I highly recommend the download of BOTH of these!
CardioTrainer - Great app for tracking distance, and pace. (useful for a runner/cyclist/walking and other physical activities)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.wsl.CardioTrainer&feature=nav_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDNd
Fitness Buddy Free - HUNDREDS of exercises. There's a .gif animation showing you how proper form too.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.skyhealth.fitnessbuddyandroidfree&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwyLDEsImNvbS5za3loZWFsdGguZml0bmVzc2J1ZGR5YW5kcm9pZGZyZWUiXQ..
DIET
lhttp://www.livestrong.com
Amazing site. Once you make an account - you can basically have a weight goal: then you input meals you had and it breaks down everything for you, to how much fat, carbs and protien you're getting and how much you need to achieve you goals! Mega handy.
http://www.trickstutorials.com/content/archive
Great Heath and Nutrition section, with some funny stuff! It's a little dated, but he really gives you a no-BS approach to keeping yourself focused. If you want to get into freestyle tricking - he's a boss. EDIT: He just did some major updates on his site. Check it out!
I recommend you read: "Conquering the mid-day crisis", "Sleep secrets" , "Water, the magic potion" and "3 eating habits I learned too late"
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/fn-an/food-guide-aliment/order-commander/index-eng.php
or
http://fnic.nal.usda.gov/dietary-guidance/myplatefood-pyramid-resources/usda-myplate-food-pyramid-resources
Yes, the Canada Food Guide and the ! Pretty much a great way to have a basic meal plan down. I included the USDA Food Pyramid as well
http://getfitwithkevin.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/five-things-that-will-cause-you-to-gain-weight-fast/
AN ACCURATE read! If you have some problems with weight - this would be a beneficial.
Cycling
Climbing Survival - watch the whole series! Awesome advice.
http://www.bikejournal.com
A handy tool, to keep track of your progress and how far you've gone.
Great gym conditioning video if you want to train for something like Triathlon....
The first two exercises can be done on the ground, without elevating your legs - First one is called mountain climbers other, you can supplement with burpees
Running
http://speedy.sh/aF4cR/Evolution-Running.avi
A cheesy - But VERY informative video on how to achieve better, and more efficient running technique.
BODYBUILDING
http://scoobysworkshop.com/beginning-workout-plan/
Just a plain good, no-bs site. He has beginner's workouts to advanced. I warn you that he can be cheesy at times! But the information is top-notch, and he's got almost everything covered. Highly reccomend.
https://www.youtube.com/user/MPTrainingVideos?feature=watch
Corey Gregory (President of MusclePharm) gives you tips + tricks when working out. Guy is 33 years old, and an absolute beast. I use lots of MP products and I love em.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/workout.htm
Has routines for you, geared towards your goals!
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/becker3.htm
Figure out your body type to find the best exercises and maximize your goal progress!
http://www.bodybuilding.com/exercises/
Amazing step-by-step how to, for any exercise. Complete with video tutorials. My main reason why I'd use this site.
Supplements
Depending on your workout goals, sometimes supplementing helps you get everything you need to gain results by consuming certain ones!
http://scoobysworkshop.com/2012/06/16/fda-fines-bodybuilding-com-bad-supplements/
This guy is pretty transparent when it comes to workout advice - he is an older guy, so he has some corny humor but otherwise - great advice and this is great encouragement to seek healthier supplements/alternatives
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/
This is where I get my Supplements from. Cheap, and they ship to Canada + US. Can't get really beat their prices either.
I am a huge fan of fish oil. Great for your brain (function), and increases fat oxidation (fat burning) after a carb rich meal!
http://www.brinkzone.com/articles/fish-oil-for-fat-loss/
http://www.organicfacts.net/organic-animal-products/organic-fish/health-benefits-of-fish-oil.html
Brand I usually use: http://www.amazon.com/Carlson-Finest-Liquid-Omega-3-Lemon/dp/B001LF39RO
Pure and potent - have 3 tsp a day WITH meals. Pleasant lemony taste.
CHOCOLATE MILK! I couldn't believe how good this stuff is for you, especially after a workout. Great serving of protein, amino acids - basically an epic bomb for recovery that tastes amazing.
http://ca.askmen.com/sports/bodybuilding_200/247_fitness_tip.html
I decided to add a link to the water article above - Drinking water = contributes to healthy weight loss, increased cognitive brain function, and YOUR BODY JUST WORKS BETTER. So buy yourself a water bottle and drink more of it!
http://www.trickstutorials.com/content/wpotion
GREEN TEA. Read up on it - boosts immune function (and apparently increases t cell production which helps prevent/treat autoimmune diseases.), and it also increases metabolism (fat burning during exercise) as well!
http://www.livestrong.com/article/441364-what-are-the-benefits-of-green-tea-for-auto-immune-disease/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_tea
http://www.nutritionalsupplementshq.com/green-tea-benefits/
RECOVERY
After working out, you want to make sure you always stretch before and AFTER. Doing so - increases your flexibility, and you wouldn't be as sore the next day!
http://www.trickstutorials.com/content/recovery
Is full of information - keep in mind that he is a freestyle tricker so he has advice about it there, ignore it if that's not your thing.
http://www.trickstutorials.com/content/flexibility
Long - but full of great information about stretching and recovery. (Made in 2005.)
MOTIVATION
Nothing gets me more amped for a workout, when I see awesome samplers or anything of the sort.
Old school, but this video really made me want to just run out and bench press something.
If you want to get into freestyle tricking - You'll love this.
This is a good friend of mine, who really encouraged me to start living an active lifestyle. He gained almost 20 pounds of muscle, lost it all due to salmonella poisoning and gained it all back. He's a little monotonous! But, great encouragement for guys who are smaller built - see what hard work can do.
ASK AWAY! and GET OUT THERE AND HAVE FUN!
Your success - is up to you, and you can be successful if you just try!
Cheers,
-Richard

Edit: Nicely done.

You know what? I'm not particularly active - tore up my right knee about 5 years ago, but I used to do quite a lot of running before then as it helped pass the time and take my mind off other things going on. I still ride sometimes, but not as much as I would like.
However, I really hope this thread does well as it is one of the very few OT threads I've seen in the last few months which actually strikes me as being useful and a good idea. Well done Richard, and I hope to see this thread topping the 100k mark one day

What I use
I was: 128 pounds, 20% bodyfat.
My current Height and Weight: 5,7 - 153 pounds, 15% bodyfat
Short term goal Goal weight/%/ - 160, 13% bodyfat
END GOAL of 170 pounds, 10% bf
Supplement "stack" (a list of supplements used)
- SWISS NATURAL Omega-3 (1000mg) [fish oil]. (3 times daily. with meals.)
- Lipton Green Tea (I drink this throughout my day - promotes overall good health and burns fat)
- MusclePharm COMBAT Protien Powder (Banana Cream Flavour) + a dash of cinnamon http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/musclepharm/combat.html
Cycling
I ride a Trek 1.2 Road Bike modified with Tiagra Compontents...with Fulcrum Racing Wheels.
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Bikejournal.com is for my cycling (Gotta get back on that bike!), Just good to keep a record of distance, and goals.
Running
I use CardioTrainer to map out how well I'm doing running wise - Uses the GPS to track how fast you're going, and your pace. Very useful.
For shoes I wear the Saucony Guide 5. Wider in the toebox. Great arch support if you have low arches and need that.
Apparel
I personally prefer Under Armour or Nike Dri-Fit. Nike's Combat stuff feels awesome, not tight - and dries really fast. If you're a bigger/heavier built person - Go for Under Armour.
Eyewear:
Oakleys. Great investment, beautiful lenses. You could probably find them at a great price online...
Feel free to ask me anything regarding gear as well! Worked in Shoes and Sporting Apparel for 4+ years.

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You got me for an instance until.
^^This.
So good luck!
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Appreciate the vote of confidence! But hey! You're being real - so it's all good
@Simon - I am sorry to hear that! I know a lot of people who had to stop due to injury and it really sucks! I am happy to hear that you still ride on occasion! Please feel free to lend your expertise when possible! Keep riding! Thank you!

Uploading a Video on how to have proper form when it comes to running - pm me if you'd like a link.
It's full of semi-cheesy graphics, but the information is awesome. Great if you're looking to learn how to run better.
I'll have to post a little more, then I'll start posting resources for you guys to look at!

Simon.TS.HTC said:
You know what? I'm not particularly active - tore up my right knee about 5 years ago, but I used to do quite a lot of running before then as it helped pass the time and take my mind off other things going on. I still ride sometimes, but not as much as I would like.
However, I really hope this thread does well as it is one of the very few OT threads I've seen in the last few months which actually strikes me as being useful and a good idea. Well done Richard, and I hope to see this thread topping the 100k mark one day
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Same thing happened to me. About a month after I got out of the Marines I blew out my knee. It has been healed up for a while now I just haven't gotten back into it as of yet. Haha it sucks too I used to be able to run the 3 mile in a little under 20 min.
I also think this could be a useful thread, good work making it I hope it sticks around.

StormMcCloud said:
Same thing happened to me. About a month after I got out of the Marines I blew out my knee. It has been healed up for a while now I just haven't gotten back into it as of yet. Haha it sucks too I used to be able to run the 3 mile in a little under 20 min.
I also think this could be a useful thread, good work making it I hope it sticks around.
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StormMcCloud - Thank you for the encouragement. I've seen people just not want to get a nice healthy workout in, or they want to - but don't know how! I used to be on a computer 16+ hours at a time playing video games... I really hope that people can come to a thread like this, and be encouraged and really find some answers to their questions. Heck! If we get enough people in an area - we should all go out and run, or join a Spartan Race or a Tough Mudder. Train together and have some stuff to look back on.
It sounds like you did a lot of awesome training! Feel free to post an article, or drop some advice. I'm sure lots of people would appreciate it!
I will also do my best to keep my eyes out on well priced apparel, sales, and equipment and post it here as well. If you live in CANADA I will post Sport Chek/National Sports family and friends discount card whenever available! (It's good to have connections )

Hahaha my advice would probably be deemed as insanity by both workout professionals and the average person.

Does tennis count?
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Does tennis count?
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Sure does! If people have questions about it - they know who to go to!
Feel free to post anything you like about it! Pointers...Videos...etc if someone new or seasoned can learn from!

Links are now available for your pleasure!

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For lifting two things are important: mixing up your routine to shock your body and staying flexible. If you're new to it, take your time and learn your limits slowly. The worst thing you can do is go too heavy off the rip and end up hurting yourself. If anyone is looking to put together a routine drop me a line on here and I'll be happy to help.

allyourbase said:
MOS? I am going to need knee replacements here in the next 3-5 years according to the VA. I was an 0341 in the Corps 2004-2008. You should try to get service connection for your injury brother. I'm telling all my old boots to at least get into the VA system when they are on terminal or about to EAS.
On a side note, I'm preparing to take my NASM personal trainer certification test here in a few weeks.
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Nah I had full medical coverage so I only paid $100 out of pocket for everything.
My MOS was 0651, basically one of the guys who gave everyone internet in the field.

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For lifting two things are important: mixing up your routine to shock your body and staying flexible. If you're new to it, take your time and learn your limits slowly. The worst thing you can do is go too heavy off the rip and end up hurting yourself. If anyone is looking to put together a routine drop me a line on here and I'll be happy to help.
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That's awesome! If you got videos, articles - feel free to post them!
Couple more articles added to the front!

For those who just aren't building like you want to, this is one I guarantee that your body will feel, German Volume Training:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/luis13.htm
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/german-volume-training-for-shocking-muscle-growth.html
The first link has an already laid-out routine for those who just want cut and paste. For those who want more detail and want to work out their own regimen the second link just give you the layout and a lot of good comments down below as to how other people are going at it. I'm going to cycle this again at the end of the summer. The great thing about GVT is that if you do it correctly you're pretty much in and out of the gym in an hour every day.

MissionImprobable said:
For those who just aren't building like you want to, this is one I guarantee that your body will feel, German Volume Training:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/luis13.htm
http://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/german-volume-training-for-shocking-muscle-growth.html
The first link has an already laid-out routine for those who just want cut and paste. For those who want more detail and want to work out their own regimen the second link just give you the layout and a lot of good comments down below as to how other people are going at it. I'm going to cycle this again at the end of the summer. The great thing about GVT is that if you do it correctly you're pretty much in and out of the gym in an hour every day.
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I'll also attach this link - http://scoobysworkshop.com/losing-weight-and-building-6-pack-abs/
I know a lot of people would love to have abs - so having a practical approach would be great. Check the link out. No magic promises, just straight up facts!

Great post on the abs. It can be hard sometimes, especially for people who are expecting immediate results on their stomach because it really does take time. Also, if you're lifting for mass, and more specifically if you're doing something like the GVT mentioned above odds are you will not be able to maintain full definition in your abdominal area until you are done and go back to your cutting phase. I work abs four days a week or so and have pretty good definition, but as long as I'm bulking I just won't have washboard abs on the surface.

I do:
Cycling with a mtb(dhs whatever)
And running(a lot)
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