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Keep posting your wonderful tilt buys in all the threads as you wish!!!
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Wel All Make Mistakes.
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LOL you got that right.
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And How You Gor It For 299
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Mine was only $150.
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For The Love Of God Please Stop Posting Your Damn Shopping Lists In All The Threads, I Dont Think Any Of Us Really Care How Much You Paid For Your Tilt.
Enough Please Stop Stop Stop Discussing Your Buying In Threads That Dont Deal With It. Sh-t Your Worse Then Women Shoppers, Keep It To Each Other Or In A Designated Thread, Your Serioulsy Causing Traffic In The Threads, People Are Not Reading The Thread Properly Because You Switch Subjects, Stick To The Thread Topic, The Kaiser Thread Is Becoming So Cluttered With Repeptetive Questions And That Same Old Prpeier Sh-t With Att And How You Gor It For 299 Please Stop! Now The Kaiser Sections Looks Like The Hermes Section Full Of Stupid Questions, Why Do I Say Stupid, Because It Was Answered! I Dont Care How Bad A Question Is If Its Original. Neither Do I Think Any Of The Real Pros Mind Aswering It Either If Its Original.
And Please Dont Be Offended, Just Think About It And Stop. Wel All Make Mistakes. And Yes We All Get Excited But I Cant Even Find A Relevent Thhead And Its Not Just Me, A Few Friends Have Said The Same Thhing, So If You Got A Problem With
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My post wasnt a mistake, It was deliberate. Just dont read the thread if you know the topic is about what some members has paid for there phone! But since i feel your coming off so pissed about it, then ill hijak as well. ONCE AGAIN I got mine for 265.00. Non-contract, out the door, no change of data plan!
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For The Love Of God Please Stop Posting Your Damn Shopping Lists In All The Threads, I Dont Think Any Of Us Really Care How Much You Paid For Your Tilt.
Enough Please Stop Stop Stop Discussing Your Buying In Threads That Dont Deal With It. Sh-t Your Worse Then Women Shoppers, Keep It To Each Other Or In A Designated Thread, Your Serioulsy Causing Traffic In The Threads, People Are Not Reading The Thread Properly Because You Switch Subjects, Stick To The Thread Topic, The Kaiser Thread Is Becoming So Cluttered With Repeptetive Questions And That Same Old Premier Sh-t With Att And How You Gor It For 299 Please Stop! Now The Kaiser Sections Looks Like The Hermes Section Full Of Stupid Questions, Why Do I Say Stupid, Because It Was Answered! I Dont Care How Bad A Question Is If Its Original. Neither Do I Think Any Of The Real Pros Mind Aswering It Either If Its Original.
And Please Dont Be Offended, Just Think About It And Stop. Wel All Make Mistakes. And Yes We All Get Excited But I Cant Even Find A Relevent Thhead And Its Not Just Me, A Few Friends Have Said The Same Thhing, So If You Got A Problem With
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Son, we live in a world that has websites, and those websites have to be visited by men with computers. Who’s gonna visit them all? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You curse the newbs. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That a newb’s life, while tragic, probably creates traffic and advertising opportunities. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, creates traffic. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in chatrooms, you want me on that computer, you need me on that computer. We use words like help… and please… and thanks. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent lurking. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a person who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very web traffic and advertising that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a keyboard and answer a post. Either way, I don't give a darn what you think you are entitled to.
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Son, we live in a world that has websites, and those websites have to be visited by men with computers. Who’s gonna visit them all? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You curse the newbs. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That a newb’s life, while tragic, probably creates traffic and advertising opportunities. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, creates traffic. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in chatrooms, you want me on that computer, you need me on that computer. We use words like help… and please… and thanks. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent lurking. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a person who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very web traffic and advertising that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a keyboard and answer a post. Either way, I don't give a darn what you think you are entitled to.
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HAHA...nice
smuook, that was a rather funny post!
kinda hard to read when hes got the whole capitalise every word thing going on. lol @ smuook bravo... encore!!
jockieboy or boy, don't you read the title before you read the whole thread, if you don't like the title of the thread, don't read it.
marm0lade said:
Mine was only $150.
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Damn I got mine for $225 on the first day it was out.
This thread seems a bit off-topic...
Any reason why you capitalize every word in your post? I stopped at the first sentence because it's so hard to read.
Jackieboy, does that go for everyone that needs to brag in their signature about what they have and how they have it tweaked?
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That's mad comedy yo!
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For The Love Of God Please Stop Posting Your Damn Shopping Lists In All The Threads, I Dont Think Any Of Us Really Care How Much You Paid For Your Tilt.
Enough Please Stop Stop Stop Discussing Your Buying In Threads That Dont Deal With It. Sh-t Your Worse Then Women Shoppers, Keep It To Each Other Or In A Designated Thread, Your Serioulsy Causing Traffic In The Threads, People Are Not Reading The Thread Properly Because You Switch Subjects, Stick To The Thread Topic, The Kaiser Thread Is Becoming So Cluttered With Repeptetive Questions And That Same Old Premier Sh-t With Att And How You Gor It For 299 Please Stop! Now The Kaiser Sections Looks Like The Hermes Section Full Of Stupid Questions, Why Do I Say Stupid, Because It Was Answered! I Dont Care How Bad A Question Is If Its Original. Neither Do I Think Any Of The Real Pros Mind Aswering It Either If Its Original.
And Please Dont Be Offended, Just Think About It And Stop. Wel All Make Mistakes. And Yes We All Get Excited But I Cant Even Find A Relevent Thhead And Its Not Just Me, A Few Friends Have Said The Same Thhing, So If You Got A Problem With
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I presume your post was about maximizing efficiency and in that case, here's a piece of advice for you as well. Your word count suggests you hit the caps on/off key 416 useless times, not to mention how annoying it is for readers.
Pleasantries aside...The reduced size of PDAs, their increased functionality, Apple's mega marketing machine and kickass iPhone have combined to bring Pocket PCs into the mainstream. With that comes mainstream consumers who hit websites such as this for information. I am one of them and it's true, perhaps I should hesitate before posting. But for every 10000 new Pocket PC enthusiasts that come along, there is one person who's an adept programmer and contributes something of value. IMHO it makes avoiding threads or comments that don't agree with me such a non issue.
Its so funny how so many of you really really got hurt by my comment, awww im so sorry.
Only I got to answer the caps thing cause I myself was bothered by why that happened, I certainly did not take the time to caps each word.
And this thread is def. making me and my friends on here laugh, especially nitpicking my words, is that all you have on me wow, if it makes you feel that good, then go for it, keep posting your buys in every thread and make it even harder for guys and those who contribute information. I have the time to write this because not that it just bothers me but I am trying to stop the threads that go on for pages when its a disccusion of a price that is not neccessary. It's obvious that most of you who have responded don't care and that is selfish. But you don't care anyway's I mean you haven't even donated a dime.
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I know I started a thread about purchase price on the kaiser, but it was created in the kaiser thread! I have not seen any other threads on this in this forum, so i dont know why jackieboy would even start a cornball thread like this! Im sure most people on here post there purchase price in this thread in resentment torwards jackieboy's comments!
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I started this thread because I kept reading other threads where one person is asking a question about a rom, and another guys got into a conversation about a price, and then the next 3 pages were about his premier price and the thread which dealt about a rom now was lost in prices. Then another thread about today screens, and again the damn price thing popped up, and then the nght i wrote this thread another idiot changed the topic and spoke about geting his tilt for 199. Now you try to look for a topic and when you read and when I say read, I mean read the entire thread from page 1 until the present and when you get's off topic over a price see if it bothers you.
I don't see how this doesnt bother anyone else? maybe because you don't read a thread entirely but I do, this isn't personal, I havent mentioned anyones names or attacked anyone, I am attacking the idea of posting you great buy in a thread that has nothign to do with you calling ATT and asking for a premier price. And for the record, I got the TILT for $99.00 with no premier account. And I posted that in a relevent thread.
Why does asking people not to mention their price in every thread a problem.
wow you are so serious, smile it wont kill you!
But anyway, I don't want you to fall of your chair or even blow. Here's the deal, cause you obviously have not enderstood anything I wrote. I simply said, don't keep posting tilt prices in threads that don't deal with tilt prices. Is that so complicated or insulting.
As for being a Newb, So am I, I ask allot of questions and I was told to do a search, but when I want to look for tilt rom and in the process I have to read pages of a thread, that deals with certain rom mention the price and then having 10 other people conversing back about the price it confuses the thread. Many people cant properly find the answer to their questions because people who get so excited post unrelevent information in a thread that doesnt deal with that issue.
Moderators usually stop it, but why have them do it, just devote a thread to your silly Tilt buying tactics and keep it there, how is thsi insulting to you or anyone else. I even contributed to that thread and mentioned I got my Tilt for 99.00 and explained how, but what I will tell you is that I didn;t post it in Duty's test Rom 3, because it has no buisness of being there.
This is my reply I've gotten 30 PM's from people who agree with me but don't have the balls to support me on here, so so you can sleep and relax I not only removed my thread, which I wrote. I removed it not because I have the idea if you can;t beet em join em, but because I realized there wil always be those who will not read and those that will always put down those who tell the truth. I should have realized that before I thought of trying to make a difference and urge people to just stop and read, But if moderators can't stop stupid Newbies then who am I. So I am going to close this and guess what you won! are you happy you win! I give up!
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Son, we live in a world that has websites, and those websites have to be visited by men with computers. Who’s gonna visit them all? You? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You curse the newbs. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know. That a newb’s life, while tragic, probably creates traffic and advertising opportunities. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, creates traffic. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about in chatrooms, you want me on that computer, you need me on that computer. We use words like help… and please… and thanks. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent lurking. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a person who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very web traffic and advertising that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a keyboard and answer a post. Either way, I don't give a darn what you think you are entitled to.
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Great well now all you people can post your price in this thread and leave the others alone. Somethign was accomplished!
So I got mine for 99.00 and I am posting the receipt in a seperate thread.
Damn....
Please remeber one thing before posting in threads about a released ROM:
- it is HARD work
- it takes TIME lots of TIME
- cooks still have a JOB or FAMILY
- they do it for FREE
- they cook THEIR PERSONAL rom
- maybe they ask "What to put in" BUT it stays their personal ROM
- cooking, porting and releasing is a very HARD JOB
So if you like the work - tell them
If you have bugs - tell them
If you have improvements - tell them
BUT DON´T tell them that you don´t like the work
don´t write a another release thread "i take your rom because teh XXX sucks"
don´t blame a cooks WORK
Because that happened we lost:
Itje = sad about reaction
ttran = sad about reaction
They take a break because of some guys spitting on their work and bombing with PMs
STOP IT! Please!
We need people like Itje, ttran, ivanmmj, and all other developers and user here who are working
constructivly!!!
@ itje and ttran and all cooks: Please report posts blaming your work and I will delete them!!
Daniel(mopps): I agree 100% to what you said. People should request, that too in the forums. They should not PM the cooks and 'demand' something. Also, they should stop complaining about their ROMs. It requires a lot of hard work and hell lot of time. Making the ROM; debugging it; polishing it; testing it requires lot of patience and time.
They make the rom avaliable to us for free. They dont charge us anything. Then, why the fu** some guys yammer about the contents of the ROM.
Message to the guys who complain: flash back stock WM5/WM6 and install what you want from the forum. Dont complain
The problem is that people are more likely to complain if something is not working that be thankfull when it does. Bad thing imo.
I'm using ttran's ROM at the moment (being pretty new to PPC devices) and it works like a charm. (Already did this in his thread, but) Thanks a lot!
It's very disappointing that a lot of people come here just for the software, they don't read (no matter if they know how to read), they take everything as granted, they cry for things they don't see, then they blame the cooks, no respect for the free meals.
The internet made a lot of smart people, it made much more stupid ones too.
Thanks to the cooks especially Itje, I'm running his Touch-IT.
Thanks to duprad, a nice humble tutor.
Thanks to everybody who contributes to this forum.
Let's keep it alive, active, and fruitful.
Peace.
o crap the title need to be bold and the thread need to be sticky. This is a big problem the better the rom get the more the complaint. i only read this cuz i saw your name under it.
ivanmmj = hasn't released his WM6.1 yet so hasn't had the opportunity to get the "my mms isn't working" complaint yet.
Actually, my MMS is working, but I'm sure it won't work for someone.
Shame...I love the work of Itje (I fell in love with touch-it so i haven't tried any other custom rom).
Maybe is it possible if the cooks like it to use some development/bugtrack software. This way bug's don't get reported hundreds of times. Especially when $#%@$#%-users who don't read can be banned from the tool.
Right now the forum is flooding with: "I just ignored everything you wrote and now my device is bricked. It's your ROM and I am too lame to use the search function so help me"-posts. And that makes the useful posts harder to find.
Who needs mms???
I do like the work of the rom-cooks and would like to take the opportunity to say "Thank You for Your work"!!!
2 cents:
I dont know if anyone here follows the PSP scene, but history repeats itself. Dark-AleX is the prime example http://www.dark-alex.org . His situation about a year ago is the exact thing that is going on here. In case you dont know, he creates custom firmware based off sony's original. Pretty much the exact same as the cooks do here (only 100 times harder.)
People were complaining thousands more than this place and he is the only "cook" (as the wm6 scene calls 'em).
Bottom line, he quit the scene for a while because of complainers, and everyone who used his CFW was upset because no more updates (and PSP updates are pretty much monthly). It was tough on everyone. But luckily he is back now, and based on following the PSP scene for long enough I can offer you some pretty good advice, based on this similar situation.
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.
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I dont know if anyone here follows the PSP scene, but history repeats itself. Dark-AleX is the prime example http://www.dark-alex.org . His situation about a year ago is the exact thing that is going on here. In case you dont know, he creates custom firmware based off sony's original. Pretty much the exact same as the cooks do here (only 100 times harder.)
People were complaining thousands more than this place and he is the only "cook" (as the wm6 scene calls 'em).
Bottom line, he quit the scene for a while because of complainers, and everyone who used his CFW was upset because no more updates (and PSP updates are pretty much monthly). It was tough on everyone. But luckily he is back now, and based on following the PSP scene for long enough I can offer you some pretty good advice, based on this similar situation.
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.
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Very sound advice.
Cooks:
Keep in mind - some poeple are never happy regardless of the case; you've just got to let that go. See those of us who appreciate what you do and tell you such.
I know that at least a few of the cooks mentioned has received a PM from me offering support and thanks for their work or thier comments in their threads.
ITJE - Love your stuff bro do what you got to do to get where you want to go and don't let anyone stand in your way.
Ivanmmj currently LOVING your CleanROM Final - looking forward to your next works . . . .
tran001 Loved and used your Open Touch series - keep up the good work!
just want to say for the record that i have complained to ttran before (during the rocky periods of very early versions of open touch). then i realized, i was an ass to do so. so i paypal'ed him 5 bucks (beer money) soon after. sorry about that ttran. lol, i think we moved passed it though.
when a scene grows you get more noobs. and "noobs" suck the life blood out of a thriving community. if you cant use common sense or a search button than you are a noob at using a computer.
there goes the neighborhood.
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2 cents:
I dont know if anyone here follows the PSP scene, but history repeats itself. Dark-AleX is the prime example http://www.dark-alex.org . His situation about a year ago is the exact thing that is going on here. In case you dont know, he creates custom firmware based off sony's original. Pretty much the exact same as the cooks do here (only 100 times harder.)
People were complaining thousands more than this place and he is the only "cook" (as the wm6 scene calls 'em).
Bottom line, he quit the scene for a while because of complainers, and everyone who used his CFW was upset because no more updates (and PSP updates are pretty much monthly). It was tough on everyone. But luckily he is back now, and based on following the PSP scene for long enough I can offer you some pretty good advice, based on this similar situation.
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.
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I would say that this is a very good idea. It would take alot of the stress off of the chefs here.
taspankya said:
2 cents:
My suggestion to the cooks is this:
1) grab about 5 guys you trust on this forum, who are intelligent and can beta test, and don't mind doing it.
2) limit your releases from like 3 a month to once a month (or fewer) to ensure a working release and keep the complainers from demanding so much
3) work less frequently, and have little to no contact with the general public, dont monitor your thread (it gets too stressful). this is why you have the 5 or so guys you can trust. They are the middle man, and in turn get releases sooner than the general public and a little clout.
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They DO!
They have betatester and everyone who knows me - I try to help everyone...
BUT they also want to be proud of their work... adn it is soooo disappointed when someone starts yelling at their work...
And some parts only can answered by the cooks because the reghacks are sometime a "secret" of each cook - and that is good so...
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They DO!
They have betatester and everyone who knows me - I try to help everyone...
BUT they also want to be proud of their work... adn it is soooo disappointed when someone starts yelling at their work...
And some parts only can answered by the cooks because the reghacks are sometime a "secret" of each cook - and that is good so...
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I am an active open touch user so i can only speak from my thread interactions with ttran. His beta testers need to moderate and be the communication between the users and him. In theory he has them but in practice i do not believe he uses them like he should. Thats nothing bad on his part, he wants to be on the ground level with the end user as well. Which is ok, until it gets overwhelming - which it obviously has gotten. Cooks can still keep their secret and only deal with beta testers who will not know their secrets, if it is that imperative to them. I agree it is disappointing that this is and has happened. No one wins from this situation.
Ban those ungrateful, undeserving and disrespectful ************s.
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damn that both really left?? they were the ****in best.. when did they say that they left? (damn these ppl..)
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damn that both really left?? they were the f***** best.. when did they say that they left? (damn these ppl..)
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They did? Uh... that's not good...
That makes me the only active cook... maybe I should hold on to my current finished release until they come back. lol (that and I'm waiting on the graphics "department" to get me the graphics that I need.)
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damn that both really left?? they were the ****in best.. when did they say that they left? (damn these ppl..)
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They didn't leave. They are just taking a break.
What a shame
This is disturbing news to this avid reader / member too. I am a junior member who has used several of ttran's roms (and gave him some beer $) AND am eagerly waiting to try ivan's cleanrom wm6.1 if he blesses us with its release.
I work in a very high stress I.T. environment with users making unrealistic demands all day long (but at least I get paid) so I can relate to wanting to take a break. Ttran and Itje are very valuable members to this forum! I read their posts on many different threads and appreciate all they do.
Other members and especially newbies - READ! READ! READ! Not of all my forum searches give me the answers I expect, so I search more and READ READ READ. Please do the same!
finally 21 and now i want software to help me get drunk in delicious fashion soo does anyone know of free software with mixes based on ingredients and such?
Here is one free one that I know of, however it is in no way the best. It actually references an online database to pull the drinks, so you would need a data plan to utilize it. It can be downloaded from freewarepocketpc at http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-pocketender.html
The best one that I have found is not free but was only like $14 USD and is fantastic. It is from Town Compass, but it is quite inclusive... Here's some of the info: http://software.techrepublic.com.com/abstract.aspx?docid=490101
App
There's a bunch on this site. check them out. i havent tried it yet thou.
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http://handheld.softpedia.com/downloadTag/drink+mix
http://handheld.softpedia.com/downloadTag/alcoholic+drink
http://handheld.softpedia.com/downloadTag/cocktail
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this is to check if your sober enough to drive lol.( theres probably a better app out there...)
http://handheld.softpedia.com/get/Health/AlcoholLevel-67390.shtml
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i personally love the bartender app on the tmobile G1 but i cannot find it for my phone... errrrrr
well i hope i helped some. and if anyone can find the bartender app from tmobile g1 and its compatible with raphael/fuze i would love to know!!
later
After looking through what was available, I'm a bit appalled by how horrible most of those apps look (and work).
I'm a former (and possibly returning) bartender and used to be a regular on one of the bigger online cocktail forums...so trust me when I say that most of the apps I saw are abysmal in both looks and function.
If there's enough interest, I'd consider throwing together an application to do this all much better. Any thoughts?
AvantGo
Try using www.avantgo.com and add the "Drink Boy" channel. You'll get good recipes on a nice interface that you can view and search for offline. When you're online, it updates itself. I've had a lot of fun with it.
Oh yeah! Don't drink and drive.
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If there's enough interest, I'd consider throwing together an application to do this all much better. Any thoughts?
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I would definately be down. I totally concur. Half the bartender apps are outdated or are a bit difficult to navigate through. Being an amature bartender, I use my database quite a bit, but yeah if there was a program that would allow you to enter in your liquors on hand and priovide you with possibile combinations... Damn... That'd be sweet....
Sorry it's too early in the morning....
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Heck yeah!
+1 as my favorite quote is: "Candy is Dandy, But Liquor is Quicker"
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After looking through what was available, I'm a bit appalled by how horrible most of those apps look (and work).
I'm a former (and possibly returning) bartender and used to be a regular on one of the bigger online cocktail forums...so trust me when I say that most of the apps I saw are abysmal in both looks and function.
If there's enough interest, I'd consider throwing together an application to do this all much better. Any thoughts?
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I'd love a drink mixing app.... so count me twice (for each hand that can hold a drink) lol
iam also a bartender and would love an app for mix drinks and shots!!! but dont forget to add the DEATHWISH shot:
DEATHWISH:
1/3 JAGER
1/3 WILD TURKEY 101
1/3 BACARDI 151
SPLASH OF GRENADINE...
(layer grenadine on bottom of shot glass, after pouring in liqours...)
(NOT FOR THE LIGHT DRINKER!!!)
I'll donate to such a cause since I completely agree on the crappy state of the mixing apps!
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I'll donate to such a cause since I completely agree on the crappy state of the mixing apps!
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I freely admit, since I'm out of work right now, I'm fine with being a whore
I've already got a bit of this started, but I'm working on another project first that I think will get a lot of wide-spread usage across the forum. But I'll get back to working on this one very soon.
In the mean time, are there any particular features anybody is looking for. I'm sure it'll be easy enough to figure out all of the features the drinkers want, but what about bartenders? Tell me how often you think you'll be entering drinks, what extra features do you need. Will you actually be using this while at work...with your fingers?
I know this is in the Raph section, though it belongs in Q&A or D&H, but does anybody here want a QVGA version, or dare I ask, W(Q)VGA? If this app is going to see finger-based controls (which I'd expect to make sense), it's not really going to work out having small windows controls, so graphics/resolution will be considered for the first version.
This site works well for me Webtender
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This site works well for me Webtender
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I used to be a regular contributor to the forums there...The biggest problem is that the drink database is absolutely cluttered with incorrect entries and missing a lot of common recipes.
When I start building a collection of recipes, there's actually a couple of people from that forum that I'm going to ask for help/collaboration. I'm also going to throw them a heads up to ask for any thoughts from them on what they would like to see.
Any update on this app being made?? Im very anxious to have it...
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Any update on this app being made?? Im very anxious to have it...
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lol, from me, it'll be at least a couple of weeks. I'm in the middle of working on another app that'll be quite a bit more relevant on this forum. But I will be coming back to this app shortly.
I'll post more info to this thread when I start it, and then I'll create a release thread in D&H (and post a link to it here) when there's a reasonably good start on a beta version.
You can help out by giving some ideas of what features you'd like to see in it.
this is very cool that you'd consider putting an app together, pour...the best reference app/source I've found is that DrinkBoy channel on avantgo. That said, my advice would be keep it very simple. Not only will this, hopefully, take burden and time from your investment to the group, but I don't think I'd be looking for anything other than:
-thorough database with accuracy on both contents and how to prepare
-a "my favorites" option for quick look-ups and personalization
-organize at the root based on main ingredient (e.g. rum, vodka, bourbon)
-a search option with fuzzy-esque searchability (e.g. southside, southsides or southsider would produce the same drink recipe)
I guess these may end up being more work than I thought but an accurate db, easy search and browse engine with a "my fav's" organizer would be PERFECTION for me!!
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my advice would be keep it very simple. Not only will this, hopefully, take burden and time from your investment to the group
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I kinda suspect, with luck, my app will draw attention from hopefully every group....the college students, bar patrons, and even bartenders from different types of places. For that reason, a "simple" app might not be too likely. Simple interface is definitely part of my plan, but the application itself is going to be pretty powerful and probably meant to cover a lot of people's uses.
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but I don't think I'd be looking for anything other than:
-thorough database with accuracy on both contents and how to prepare
-a "my favorites" option for quick look-ups and personalization
-organize at the root based on main ingredient (e.g. rum, vodka, bourbon)
-a search option with fuzzy-esque searchability (e.g. southside, southsides or southsider would produce the same drink recipe)
I guess these may end up being more work than I thought but an accurate db, easy search and browse engine with a "my fav's" organizer would be PERFECTION for me!!
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- Favorites will be very easy to implement, so this is pretty much a sure thing.
- The database itself is a subject I intend to take more seriously than a lot of people probably expect (more on that in the future).
- I've got several ideas for searches/filters, each will be fleshed out as I build it. I'm aiming mostly for live searches and the first will be using quick ingredient filtering.
- fuzzy search...I'll see what I can do, but that's one I know very little about. Some quick googling turned up some information that's possibly VERY usable, but it's all written for the the big brother .Net Framework while the Compact Framework gets no love. I'll bookmark some of this stuff and see where I can go with it after I've released a first version. As much as it might be cool, I can't justify porting Lucene.Net to the compact framework for this project. In the mean time, I can use a "Sounds Like" mechanism that would probably do pretty well for an early version. I'm also a little worried about performance.
As a note, I'd previously said that I wouldn't be starting this until I finished another application. I feel a little dumb for not seeing it sooner, but I discovered Sashimi exists (though I haven't started testing it). While it sorely lacks about half of the features I planned to build, it does a far better job at the other half of the features I had in mind. I'm going to try out Sashimi for a while to determine if there's enough reason to build my app (or possibly a configurator/extension of sorts for use with Sashimi, if possible). As a result, I'm going to put that project on hold and move on to this one.
Second note...err, request actually...I'm ok with graphics...sometimes...But I want to make this app graphically attractive and possibly add skinning ability. At the very least, I will need a few decent looking icons for a few things, at the most, it might turn into an entire interface design. One of my goals is to make this app roughly comparable to something people might expect to buy form the iPhone AppStore (after all, everybody is *****ing about the lack of pretty WM apps). So, if anybody has decent graphics skills and is up for helping out, drop me a line and we'll bump some ideas around when I get to the right stage.
wow i had almost forgot about this thread glad to see something has come of it!
definetly excited to see what you come up with
Is this program still in active development? I hope it is because it sounds like it could be really nice/useful!
just FYI not sure if anyone has seen this douche bag. appears he is making a nice living off of your guys' hard work. i think this user should be made an example of. anyone with any ideas?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250421549454
yeah he is making a killing selling those.
Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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Probably hasn't sold any, but I reported.
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Check his feedback profile..
You'll weep when you see how many CDs he sold for 50 pop EACH!!!
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ya nearly all his feedback ratings are from $50 a pop on that cd. he's got over 150 positive feedbacks. i also reported prior to the original thread posting cuz thats just wrong imo.
yes Im danielmex_83
jajaja i sent him a message wanna see it? hahaha just for fun you know!
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there are many people that loves everything easy... even if it cost 50 bucks.
Thats insane. I can't even begin to imagine the people that have been scammed out of 50 bucks for stuff that is completely free. And no credit to those that developed the software. Shame
He answers me!
HAHAHAHAH well I ask him if he can shipp the cd to the bermudas triangle!
he answers...
hahaha didnt you live on Mexico? hahahaha god damn! this guy is so funny!
I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.
^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.
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I sent a question as to why he sells things that are free to find, he replied with:
"I charge mainly for the tutorial and personal assistance. I throw in all the apps, etc. in as a bonus. I have donated to the programmers and it took hours and hours of how to figure this stuff out and what to install first, etc."
I don't think there's much wrong with this, although AUD$60 is a bit much and I disagree with "All of these games, apps and themes are easily worth over $800" as they are (mostly) free.
I think we need some of the opinions of the devs who's software is on this CD.
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I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.
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^^^ Well he is not lying, he is NOT scamming anyone. I mean, yea he makes money off this, but he has just taken all the effort we enjoy, playing around with stuff... some users just want to have everything handed to them, and with support AU$60 is pretty good if I were non-geek.
He is noy doing anything illegal, I think some ppl are jealous? report? for what?
I've seen ppl sell freeware before, it is not illegal if he is adding something beneficial to the sale (his tuts and support).
I don't hate, but that's just me!
Is it over priced.. YES, is it a scam... NO! Is it wrong.. Maybe... Is it illegal... NO!
But it goes against an unwritten code, but thats it.
If i offered a service to install MS Office 2007 and tech support it for 3mths for 50 bucks, nothing wrong with that... right? Software vendors LIVE off this 'support'.
Anyway, it has broken a code and I see where you guys are pissed, but reporting? c'mon get over it.
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Hi everybody, and thanks x86 for not posting like drdrew and Que. I have been selling these disks and guess what? I am not the first or the last to do it. I bought an HTC phone and wanted to make it cool like the stuff I found on the internet for FREE. However, I had NO clue of how to do it. I didn't know you had to install NETCFsetup35 first. I didn't know you had to install Batteryand Performance Hack, then SDKcerts, then finix, etc in THAT order. These are things that took a while to learn how to do. I couldn't find a thread on what, how or when to do these things and I am pretty computer literate. Someone else was selling the phones with the programs on them first and I decided I would write an easy to understand tutorial and sell my own disks so others could enjoy. This is called free enterprise.
I don't and never have taken credit for anyone's work and have donated to the sites I have gone to and talked with a few of the programmers. Bongsu has awesome themes and I have donated to vicotts site after he said that's where the money should go. I donated to XDA. PPCgeeks as well. Have I talked to all of them? No. I could take ALL the apps, themes and games off and the tutorial I created is worth it alone. Not only that, but many of my customers have had to call me and ask for support. I have spent hours on the phone helping some people who are completely computer illiterate step by step to make their phones so fun and cool. I offer the disks at $50 with a Best Offer option as well. Some people buy for $40 and some for $35. x86, It's not overpriced when you consider the support. Just like you said, companies make a TON of money on support. I was just offered the great deal of $129.99 from Dell to help me resolve a ONE-time issue with my computer. Support costs money.
I guarantee if you ask any of the people who have bought the disk, not a one of them feels scammed. Why would they? I talk them through it to help them. The tutorial is very easy to understand but some people are not savvy. Actually, I have had many of my customers tell me I am not charging enough! That's no joke. I started at $24.99 and was told over and over I was charging too LITTLE! Why would any programmer be upset as there programs are on more phones? That's why they are created; to have fun and make phones look cool. But there was nobody to help me and many others understand HOW to do it!
The people buying these disks have seen many of the programs on the internet and know they are out there for free, yet they still buy my tutorial. I include the urls to PPCgeeks and XDA in my tutorial as well as other sites. That way they can then do it for themselves after they learn how to do it from me the FIRST time.
I simply sold what most people like, the easy route. And I just thought it would be cool to put a bunch of programs on the disk to get these people started! All the things I have put on that disk are found on the internet for FREE, Except for TWO things; my tutorial and phone support. I charge for that. If you have a problem with that, you are free to feel that way. If you want to pay my cell phone bill, let me know. But the fact is, nobody who has purchased this disk has come back to say they want their money back. I have 100% feedback. That should tell you something.
Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.
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Edit: If someone wants to contact me, feel free to do so but name calling and insults are childish.
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This account has been banned for being a sock-puppet.
Please use your real account "Sho'nuff" for replying to questions like these Roy.
EqX
Thanks Equinox
Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
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You know, I would appreciate you taking down your posts. I answered your questions honestly and did nothing wrong to you. eBay also has a strict policy of using their logos and posting private emails on a public thread. I think if you read my email on this thread, you will see what I offer is a tutorial and personal assistance and am not scamming or hurting anyone. You have your right to say you don't like it and that's fine, but again, I would appreciate you taking down the screen shots.
Also, if you look on eBay, you will see there have been others who have done it. There is someone else selling a disk right now and someone selling a phone with the programs on it.
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OK! its fine for me, but only if you go to the forum where you saw that screenshoots and post this same words... if you dont do it i will, then, i will edit my posts, I think the administrator of this site will be happy with this agreement.
Cheers dude! see you later.
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Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
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Its been a while since i have see you on wizard forums, jejeje long time ago i think since manilla 2d comes to town, thanks for let us know that this guy, maybe a memeber from here makes a new user saying want to clear thinks up... want? or wish i could? moron!
Im so angry about this! Really. but what can i win? nothing but healty decrease so lets over this situation.
Well this guy contacts me telling me ebay has some policy's and dont allow to post the logo! well i will edit only... my... Screenshots... and post the screenshot of his PM to me.
To let you know how this guys operate his dirty tricks i mean is not illegal no no no i know I know if he wants to earn some bucks showing his ass on the street please make it where nobody can see you, is immoral!
well here you go (just to have truth on my words)
wanna the reply here it is...
Dont support this kind of people they never will have sense of good things or bad things, be smart guys be more than this guys, learn more and more you will love this machines, really and can support the learning growing up this lazy mankind we are turning into.
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I may as well write this on the public forum since it seems you are the dirty one who cannot keep a private conversation private. Also, I created the other name so people wouldn't flood my regular email so I created a new email and name for that. But guess what? Not a single email has come to me with a problem or insults. Actually, I got an email from someone on this thread telling me I did a great job explaining.
And by the way, your screenshots still show eBay licensed information. Your posting of a private email on a public forum doesn't go over well either. I will ask you to remove them again. XDA is a great site and doesn't need trouble because of your posts.
Hey Ben, I mean Equinox, you should do the right thing and take down the screenshots if Mr. Que here doesn't decide to. Or should I just contact the administrator?
I find it quite funny you come on here using words like moron and how angry this makes you when in reality you have not created any of these programs. Maybe it's possible you're jealous that you don't have the common sense to write a tutorial and offer support to folks who want their phones to have these great features and at the same time turn a little profit? Not all people who buy these phones know anything about these apps, themes and games. I was a first time Win Mo user and had NO idea about this stuff. Try to look at the positive aspect. Many more people know about these great things and HOW TO INSTALL them. That's what you're not getting. You seem to think the people who bought this disk are lazy. No, they are not as computer savvy as some of us are. They need help. And when I went to forums to find out stuff, it was SO much info to take in that I just about said forget it. And I wasn't sure about viruses or what to install or what needed to be installed, etc.
I have 13 sent messages in my outbox from March that I sent to people asking for help when I first joined this site. Guess how many answered? ZERO. I finally found someone who helped me, and it wasn't from this site, and then I took off from there. It's not lazy QUE, but I think you know that. Or maybe you don't. How did YOU come to learn how to do these things? How did most people on these forums? They are either IT's, creators, real computer savvy or got help from someone. Well, I am one who waited about a month after getting my phone to finally find someone to help me.
So I decided to offer assistance to other people which includes phone support. Do you have a cell phone QUE? Do you pay your own bill? They're not free, are they? Also, you never mentioned the fact that I have donated and talked with some of the actual programmers. No, you seem to just listen to what you want and write what will incite others.
And the fact is, people were doing this BEFORE me, selling phones with all the programs on them for $500 when I bought my phone back in March. I didn't need another phone, I just needed to learn how to get the programs. So that's what I offered to others. And to be able to actually call me and I would walk them through it step by step. Read the feedback and you will see that. There was another guy selling the disks before me and ALL he had on them was apps and themes and games and no phone support. People came to me because they needed help. Too bad you only look at the negative and try to paint me as a bad person. The people who bought my disk don't think so and love these forums.
That's a whole other realm you don't even realize. I have sold a few of these disks and that means, a whole new group of people have come to these sites, like XDA and PPCGeeks and likely have donated to get a new theme, etc. or have contributed in some other way. And it also brings in more clicks to these sites. Did you know that or even think about that?
I have been truthful and can walk away from this with my head up high as I know I have helped so many other people. I don't post private messages, I don't use childish insults. I came here to try to set the record straight. I believe I have done so. Obviously not with you Que, but that's okay. People will always disagree in this world.
What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times do you see people suing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with, people who have proved that an idea was originally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.
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What I don't understand, is why so many people without a vested interest in this, are getting so worked up about it. What this guy did was very enterprising, very illegal, but very enterprising.
It is not up to anyone but the developers of the apps, to go after this guy. If you go by the feedback alone, he has sold $7500 worth of other peoples work. That is not chump change.
The courts have been very clear on this, most recently with music sampling. If you sample someone elses music on your rap CD, be prepared to pay. Record companies have already had to pay big bucks for artists who have been caught sampling on their CDs. This is nothing more than sampling.
Being a semi-professional writer, I will also say that one does not need to professionally copyright his work in order for the court to side with the original publisher against someone trying to profit from their work. How many times to you see people sueing songwriters and screenwriters for stealing ideas , thoughts and passages. Many times the courts have sided with, and movie companies have been forced to settle with people who have proved that an idea was origanally theirs, even without an " official " copyright.
Trying to prove that he wasn't selling the apps, just the instruction and support, is very shaky legal ground indeed. But it is up to the original publishers of the programs to sue for their share of the profits, I hardly think it is worthwhile for us to bicker about it.
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Dude, your math is way off. I sold some HTC phones too, so maybe that's how you added about $6,000 wrong lol. I sold maybe 40 CD's and many people didn't even pay $50. I let some go for as little as $25. You also didn't include how muh eBay and Paypal take out for their fees. As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.
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I think what he is doing is partly illegal, at least in reference to s2u, on the page of A_C it's stated directly under freeware licence "You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission." Probably there is something similar about other apps/games on the CD, at least I could imagine Microsoft and google are providing something similar. Whether he donated to the programmers or not don't changes anything about his permissions applying there software.
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I completely agree. I think if a wrote a small tutorial on Firefox and packaged it with firefox 3 and sold it on ebay for $50, it would be quite an issue. This is no different. Just because you're dealing with an individual's product instead of a corporation doesn't give you the right to package it without there permission, when they intended for it to be free, and sell it for money. This would be PERFECTLY FINE if he was selling tutorials for the products, noting that they are 100% free applications, and that you are being charged for the tutorials. However, leading people to believe that they are getting a great deal on tons of apps is awful and dishonest.
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As far as illegal, most of the developers say if you want to share, include the url where it came from. I also donated to those programmers.
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you said MOST, not ALL., can you see the difference?
But I did agree with you on the fact that it was enterprising, thanks. My tutorial is what sold. My personal assistance is what sold. If you read the feedback you will see that. These people now have the ammo to search and find more and know HOW to do it.
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You are not advertising your personal assistance, you are advertising the applications.
See the difference?
So yes, you are ILLEGALLY selling software (freeware) from which is known that the authors (like A_C) don't want to be redistributed.
As far as "personal assistance" goes, well I have read into your posts, you are far from an expert on Windows Mobile to say at least.
I am closing this thread before any valued (actually contributing) senior member is going to cross the line and have to face punitive actions.
As for you, since you obviously ignore this:
S2U2, S2P & S2V are being distributed as Freeware. It may be freely used, copied and distributed as long as it is not sold, and all original files are included, including this license. You are NOT allowed to make a charge for distributing this Software whether as a stand-alone product, or as part of a compilation or anthology, without explicit prior written permission.
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, actions against you are being taken.
Regards to the actual contributing members,
EqX
Hi all,
Very quick one. Is there a WinMob6.5 ROM available for the Kaiser (known by me as the Vodafone v1615)?
Thanks in advance
Jamie
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520683
jamiekt said:
Hi all,
Very quick one. Is there a WinMob6.5 ROM available for the Kaiser (known by me as the Vodafone v1615)?
Thanks in advance
Jamie
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WM 6.5 has not been officially released by M$ yet and when it is, it will not be available for the Kaiser.
But waiting for M$ and HTC to improve our phones is not why we are here, go here to unlock your phone and then take advantage of the many " custom 6.5 roms " available in the rom development section
Wow some people really don't try anymore. Back in the day he would have been flamed hard core.
I guess we're mellowing with age. . .
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Wow some people really don't try anymore. Back in the day he would have been flamed hard core.
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I agree with your point. That one showed a decided lack of effort.
ChumleyEX said:
Wow some people really don't try anymore. Back in the day he would have been flamed hard core.
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How is the flaming going over at the ** choke ** choke ** iPhone support forum ?
I don't really do anything in the Iphone forums, there isn't a site anywhere near as good as this one for the iphone.
There are a few things I miss about the tilt but I do like the iphone.
nice post, search first man.. there is a ROM threat for you
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nice post, search first man.. there is a ROM threat for you
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ummmmm, what's a ROM threat? Sounds kind of scary...
Give the guy a break
I mean, the whole point of a site like this is to serve information. Frankly, you need to be a borderline OCD to find what you need..
Why does it have to be a 'rite of passage'? Its a valid enough question for a newb. There isn't a 6.5 sticky in the ROM section, listing available ROMs, and a search yields 87 page results, each with their own # of threads. How do you pick which one to use? I'm sure to get flamed myself for this, but I can understand the frustration of some who just wants to upgrade to 6.5 and get on with his/her life, without having to spend a week searching, just because 'y'all had to do it'.
The whole point of these devices is so SAVE US TIME, not for us to slavishly spend 3 days working out how upgrade the crappy ROM, unlock the phone, and erase all data, only to try and reload the whole load back. And then do it again because the dialler was rubbish, or the sw keyboard didnt work, it was too slow, or something like this. In the old days of valves and ticker tapes, they had 'acolytes' in white coats to serve the mainframe, change the valves and unclog the ticker puncher. We were slaves to the machine. Seems to be happening here too!
Give full kudos to those wizards who create the ROMs, no idea where they get the time or energy, but bless them for doing it.
PS. I am borderline OCD myself, just in different things now.
If it really is all about proving your Google skills, I stand corrected. But I remember my first time too, thinking I was about to brick my £400 device, and incur the wrath of my provider.
Slay.
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I mean, the whole point of a site like this is to serve information. Frankly, you need to be a borderline OCD to find what you need..
Why does it have to be a 'rite of passage'? Its a valid enough question for a newb. There isn't a 6.5 sticky in the ROM section, listing available ROMs, and a search yields 87 page results, each with their own # of threads. How do you pick which one to use? I'm sure to get flamed myself for this, but I can understand the frustration of some who just wants to upgrade to 6.5 and get on with his/her life, without having to spend a week searching, just because 'y'all had to do it'.
The whole point of these devices is so SAVE US TIME, not for us to slavishly spend 3 days working out how upgrade the crappy ROM, unlock the phone, and erase all data, only to try and reload the whole load back. And then do it again because the dialler was rubbish, or the sw keyboard didnt work, it was too slow, or something like this. In the old days of valves and ticker tapes, they had 'acolytes' in white coats to serve the mainframe, change the valves and unclog the ticker puncher. We were slaves to the machine. Seems to be happening here too!
Give full kudos to those wizards who create the ROMs, no idea where they get the time or energy, but bless them for doing it.
PS. I am borderline OCD myself, just in different things now.
If it really is all about proving your Google skills, I stand corrected. But I remember my first time too, thinking I was about to brick my £400 device, and incur the wrath of my provider.
Slay.
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I have to agree with you. I love to research, but it can be a daunting task with all the threads and possible roms available for your phone. Then finding a radio that works well for everything, if you are lucky.
I have spent the last few days looking at different roms and radios, with my wife asking "What are you doing that takes that long?" If she only knew that I could brick my phone and be forced to buy a new one to experiment on LOL
But, hey it can be addictive to get it just the way you like it.
Al
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I mean, the whole point of a site like this is to serve information.
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Wrong........wrong........wrong.........!
This is not McDonalds, this is not Harrods, this is not HTC tech support. The whole point of this site is to " serve " no one.
This is a library, a vault of WinMo and HTC knowledge. When you walk into a library for knowledge on the Hong Kong economy, you don't walk upto the librarian and say, ".........gimme all you've got on world enconomy, I' ll be sitting over here waiting. " Nor do you announce at the door, to all others there , what you are looking for.
The librarian points you in the right direction and you go and search and read, and read and search until you are able to go into work and say, " boss, here is my proposal on our expansion into the Hong Kong market, make me lead on this account. "
No one is paid here to help anyone. When people do help, it is out of the goodness of their hearts and their desire to share their " hobby " with you.
They are not here to serve anyone anything.
If you have neither time nor the desire or the " OCD focus " then leave your phone alone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
Well said as always
denco7 said:
Wrong........wrong........wrong.........!
This is not McDonalds, this is not Harrods, this is not HTC tech support. The whole point of this site is to " serve " no one.
This is a library, a vault of WinMo and HTC knowledge. When you walk into a library for knowledge on the Hong Kong economy, you don't walk upto the librarian and say, ".........gimme all you've got on world enconomy, I' ll be sitting over here waiting. " Nor do you announce at the door, to all others there , what you are looking for.
The librarian points you in the right direction and you go and search and read, and read and search until you are able to go into work and say, " boss, here is my proposal on our expansion into the Hong Kong market, make me lead on this account. "
No one is paid here to help anyone. When people do help, it is out of the goodness of their hearts and their desire to share their " hobby " with you.
They are not here to serve anyone anything.
If you have neither time nor the desire or the " OCD focus " then leave your phone alone.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
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That Kyphur post should be permanently displayed above the main menu.
Word!!!
In all honesty, the OP could have just gone into rom development and seen a bunch of WM 6.5 ROMS, there would not have been days of eye burning search's.
The fact is this. You are an idiot if you don't take the time to educate yourself on the things you want to do. You owe it to yourself and your wallet to make sure you fully understand all of the things you need to know before bricking the thing.
As one of you posted, I too was scared during my first flash, I read the same posts over and over and over and over, until I felt like I understood what was going on..
Yes it's hard to search sometimes but the more stupid threads are opened the harder it gets, hence
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denco7 has hit the nail on the head!!!
+1 million points to denco7!!!
it really is not about going through "a rite of passage" when a noob gets flamed...the flaming is to drive home a point...and the point is that the time you spend reading and researching is an investment that will save you from mistakes and future troubleshooting and it will save you from bricking your very expensive device (which is a natural fear) in the worst case.
"god helps those who help themselves"
Slaybells said:
I mean, the whole point of a site like this is to serve information. Frankly, you need to be a borderline OCD to find what you need..
Why does it have to be a 'rite of passage'? Its a valid enough question for a newb. There isn't a 6.5 sticky in the ROM section, listing available ROMs, and a search yields 87 page results, each with their own # of threads. How do you pick which one to use? I'm sure to get flamed myself for this, but I can understand the frustration of some who just wants to upgrade to 6.5 and get on with his/her life, without having to spend a week searching, just because 'y'all had to do it'.
The whole point of these devices is so SAVE US TIME, not for us to slavishly spend 3 days working out how upgrade the crappy ROM, unlock the phone, and erase all data, only to try and reload the whole load back. And then do it again because the dialler was rubbish, or the sw keyboard didnt work, it was too slow, or something like this. In the old days of valves and ticker tapes, they had 'acolytes' in white coats to serve the mainframe, change the valves and unclog the ticker puncher. We were slaves to the machine. Seems to be happening here too!
Give full kudos to those wizards who create the ROMs, no idea where they get the time or energy, but bless them for doing it.
PS. I am borderline OCD myself, just in different things now.
If it really is all about proving your Google skills, I stand corrected. But I remember my first time too, thinking I was about to brick my £400 device, and incur the wrath of my provider.
Slay.
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As a newcomer to xda developers (but a veteran of other technical forums) I cheer this perspective.
Whilst I am prepared to sweat blood & tears sifting through the myriad topics on device & ROM options, I would happily bow to my subject peers if they could simply answer a basic question with the required answer; rather than flaming the poster for not having read every post on the forum and deciphering the rubiks code, or something like that...
donkidonki said:
As a newcomer to xda developers (but a veteran of other technical forums) I cheer this perspective.
Whilst I am prepared to sweat blood & tears sifting through the myriad topics on device & ROM options, I would happily bow to my subject peers if they could simply answer a basic question with the required answer; rather than flaming the poster for not having read every post on the forum and deciphering the rubiks code, or something like that...
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The problem is that you don't have to sweat blood & tears for a question as simple as looking @ ROM development, noted if you can see the STICKY @ the top then you can probebly see bellow too?
Most of the common users see @ least 5+ posts a day that could have been solved via a simple walk in the park not a dig in the graveyard.
We are not here to persicute "flame" noobs just to help them if they have done the required searching for ones self, they learn nothing by being spoonfed except to be more spoonfed.
denco7 you hit the nail on the head a.p.u
donkidonki said:
As a newcomer to xda developers (but a veteran of other technical forums) I cheer this perspective.
Whilst I am prepared to sweat blood & tears sifting through the myriad topics on device & ROM options, I would happily bow to my subject peers if they could simply answer a basic question with the required answer; rather than flaming the poster for not having read every post on the forum and deciphering the rubiks code, or something like that...
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the main question for this thread was something trivial and showed that noone even attempted to look. The answer was out in the open and if it were snake, someone would have been bitten.