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Especially those people who owned the Note since the beginning in Q4 2011.
What do you think of the development of our Exynos-based Note?
How do you feel after one year that CM for our Note even our little brother S2 is not fully working?
Are you satisfied with the stock ROMs provided by Samsung?
How about the superbrick fiasco? Do you think Samsung should have done something more quickly?
What do you think of the Jelly Bean update for Note? Quality is there?
EDIT: One more question. Will you consider a Samsung for your next device?
Development - good not that bad
CyanogenMod - Not working at its full potential but it is still my daily driver
Satisfaction with Samsung firmware ? - Are you kidding ?
How about the superbrick fiasco ? - I considered selling selling my note when Superbrick bug was detected but there were no other 5' phones at that time. Even now, non-removable battery (Xperia Z and others) is a deal-breaker for me.
Jelly bean update - It does not have professional and finishing touch as I quoted your post in other thread.
Am I happy with my Note ?
I am happy because I'm content and I am content because I am happy
For your every question it's a no.. There are not much development even some peps here think uploading the stock deodex rom with xyz name adding some mods which are already present on forum individually is a developmnet..? A big no, but the elite xda-developers who are trying their best bringing cutting edge work and something innovative to android development world is called development and i am very thankful to them.. But still it's not up to par.. I wish i bought a nexus device in place of note regarding android development and modding.. And sammy is just to lazy in providing update to our device and providing source codes, stock jb is just unacceptable for me it's too laggy for anyone who uses cm as a daily driver.. I am afraid to say that cm is also not fully functional, the memory leak sometimes make me go crazy but have to live with this sh*t truth about my beloved note.. After all i love my note than any other device owned by me in past and please don't term me as complainig it's all what any note user has in his heart to say.. And yeah how can i forget about brick bug, when my note firstly got affected by it i was like what the heck is wrong with my baby it is dead and you will not believe still i fear from doing any wipes it doesn't matter if i have modified kernel or not and the black crush issue is like never gonna sorted out
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Development - we hamper our own progress, more politics than codes, groupism, lack of feedback, squelching of viable ideas
CM - an alternative to explore but not be ruled/smothered by.
Samsung performance - Good in many ways- stable, battery friendly/new features/ frequent updates. Good inspite of black clipping, highly priced devices and poor build quality.
Brickbug - never existed beyond the walls of xda and/or rooting process.
Jelly bean - better than ics
Had a lot of fun with my Note. if i didnt have it , with my past experience of it, Id go for a Samsung product but would wait for price to go down first.
NB - Can you really hope for an unbiased answer ? where you become popular and part of the herd if you call Sammy Crapsung and start off your OP with a statement like - I hate Touchwiz , and thanks are heaped on you for it ? Hate begets hate.
I never put forth my views for argument so dont even try.
1 No development to full potential without Exymos drivers, still ppl did best they could. Most devs left by now
[email protected] ... ... ...them.
3No, but some custom ROMs are/were good.
4My phone has sane chip - they should recall vulnerable devices or deliver sw fix earlier.
5For me on AllianceLSZ it is as close as possibly, but I did not tried stock version.
Last one. I don't think so. They grow to big market share - lame corporation. They are lying, promising and not delivering. All I liked -big screen now is no longer Samsung's only thing. I am not fond of cheap plastic too. I liked sd card and removable battery.
Time will tell. HTC one Motorolla X LG who knows?
Development you can't talk about it since it is for every device separate and the devices high end life is under 6 months so developers are using the hit and run tactic since after awhile the device isn't popular and if you now add the delay of source to be given from the manufacture tell me what can - could you await from the developers. Who they make this with 0 to low profit gain except few of them, but that's another story.
You can't compare s2 with any device out there. S2 is legen wait for it dary .
Samsungs firmware upgrade policy was ok till ics came out, the updates where faster then you could find all the changes from one. After the second ics firmware the things did go worse, if I remember right it was s3 comming out time. And before the note 2 was introduced there was the end.
Profit rules them all.
If you don't buy that you will buy the other. Tell me a company who is making a good device with great support? None.
Google isn't producing her own devices.
Apple? Come on you can spend your money somewhere else.
As long smartphones aren't as PC's where you can add 10, different self picked, parts to make a phone and after that you pick a OS to install on it with the drivers for the parts. Till then you will pay to be happy when you will get a fully operating device with SOME of the things you need.
Own a DBT N7000
Flashed first time on JB leak since till then, the device and OS was enought/had nothing to offer more, to my needs.
Cm never used it. But N7000 without spen? Huge respect to the guys and girls for supporting so many devices ofc.
Let the "flames" begin.
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1 [Development]. Well, there are some sweet ROMs and mods, but my mate that recommended looking for stuff here some time ago said there's everything here, and TBH I don't see it, was looking for ported S Memo for JB, ink effect for S Pen only and other small mods and didn't find anything
2 [CM]. Never cared about it, I picked Note for features built around TW
3 [Stocks]. Until JB, it was pretty good, new features, not too much crap, stable and efficient
4 [Brick]. Terrible mistake and marketing failure, didn't affect me fortunately
5 [JB]. Nope, it's a total disappointment, I was eager to update it ASAP, but after I did it I was like "WHAT THE HELL MAN?". Sad, sad update
6 [Sammy]. I never considered any Samsung's phone other than SII or Note, so no
I am still very happy with my Note...with some work to be done, JB is very fast and stable and bugfree...i tried all CM and his derivates and they are great, but i still like modded stock most, mainly for all the features coming with it or possible to add - and it lags 0 (in words ZERO) for me...brickbug was an awful mistake, bricked 2 devices for me (one i got repaired on warranty)...i dont care about blackclipping cause it never affected me that much...
And cause this seems to be the 'bash sammy and note 1 thread' i am looking forward to some public flogging
I am also happy with my note.
I feel there is a strong but disappointed community regarding development. Most developers have strained that Samsung closedness in regards of hardware level drivers have halted back development months if not a year.
I personally feel the folowing is true: because of difficulty in basic os openeness guys like CM team have found time wanting in further development then basic os. I saw endevours in spen functionality and firmly believe if Samsung was more open, not only would rom development taken off more but also the app development. Just gettting rom functional has sucked the living daylights out of a lot of good devs. Had that not been the case they would have been motivated and have time left to revolutionizing further spen/apps stuff. This is a cascading effect.
I in that sense having seen burnouts and close burnouts with certain devs, am definitely not dissapointed in the devs. Greatfull for their devotion and spirit. In Samsung, yes definately dissapointed. I love what Samsung did with JB. But this whole ordeal is not a good example of transforming an opensource platform into a true community platform. That Samsung can do better. Must do better, because the XDA community is already speaking of moving from Samsung to more dev friendly mobiles. Samsung needs to turn that around.
Their future lineup is promising, but with this trackrecord, its not gonna appeal the devs into storming buyin.
More and more users are following favorite devs, if those devs move away, so will xda members following those devs. Time to step up the game Samsung, we know you want to.
Note is a great device(except battery) for me.Yeah,I miss more ported roms from other phones too,but today we have so many different chips and without sources for drivers I know it's hard...
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What do you think of the development of our Exynos-based Note?
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From Samsung, laughable. From individuals, can't ask more.
How do you feel after one year that CM for our Note even our little brother S2 is not fully working?
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Read somewhere that Samsung denied CM Officials' request to release TW Source. IMHO, I don't know if its true or actually a matter of concern but it is quite noticeable that other manufacturers' devices have amazing CMs whereas TW based phones are suffering.
Are you satisfied with the stock ROMs provided by Samsung?
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No.
Dear Samsung, Nobody wants your ****ing motion sensor voodoo you call "Smart-this-Smart-that" and annoying visual/audio effects you call "Nature-Nature". Your idea of using a Digitizer with a phone? Excellent. Making a phone that is a Milestone for Smartphones? Fantastic. Providing Dedicated apps? Orgasmic. ****ty optimization? You lost me.
How about the superbrick fiasco? Do you think Samsung should have done something more quickly?
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Lost my "dear" to that once. My Beloved Samsung with Amazing Proprietary Issues.
What do you think of the Jelly Bean update for Note? Quality is there?
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Pfffffhahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! xD
Will you consider a Samsung for your next device?
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Probably. When it comes to RAW Power, Samsung doesn't shy away. That's the beauty of it.
Note has many achievements.
1. It tasted 3 flavors of android.
2. Its the first >5 inch phone which changed the way of users habit.
3. It has seen the mist development more than galaxy nexus. It got all tge major custom releases with tw stock roms as a bonus.
4. Its the only phone which even after 1 and a half year life has a place in users heart.
5. It was a future proof device of its time and the way dev helped it groom is remarkable.
6. Thanks to devs who despite being annoying contributes so much to make our experience good.
Entropy, dr.ketan,Eybee1976, chasmodo, Criskelo, and so many others who take out time to make things better.
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Okay first of all, I have only made one ROM ever, so I am not the brightest on this subject. My question though is for a Dev that is fairly smart. Would it be possible for those itching to have lollipop on their Note 4, but who don't want to lose Touchwiz features, to install the international Note 3 5.0 ROM on their Note 4 if a Dev would port it. If its possible why hasn't some talented dev( because there are several here) ported it yet. I know the structure would be a little different, but I'm thinking it would be entirely possible to port it with some tinkering. Just let me know if I am way off base or if this would be something to really look at.
why would anyone bother trying to port the note 3 version, when the actual Note 4 version will be here any day?
anyone anxious to try lollipop has several AOSP type roms to try, so waiting for the TW version is no big deal at this point
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Okay first of all, I have only made one ROM ever, so I am not the brightest on this subject. My question though is for a Dev that is fairly smart. Would it be possible for those itching to have lollipop on their Note 4, but who don't want to lose Touchwiz features, to install the international Note 3 5.0 ROM on their Note 4 if a Dev would port it. If its possible why hasn't some talented dev( because there are several here) ported it yet. I know the structure would be a little different, but I'm thinking it would be entirely possible to port it with some tinkering. Just let me know if I am way off base or if this would be something to really look at.
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Im kinda surprised the Note Edge leak hasnt trickled over in some form.
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why would anyone bother trying to port the note 3 version, when the actual Note 4 version will be here any day?
anyone anxious to try lollipop has several AOSP type roms to try, so waiting for the TW version is no big deal at this point
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Because no one really knows when the note 4 version will be here, as far as I know. Also I'm just going by the sheer volume of Roms available, I would think a correct Note 3 port would have been highly popular. Honestly AOSP Roms just won't work for a lot of Samsung fans, someone who wants to take full advantage of their Gear watch, or other samsung products linked to Touchwiz enabled devices.
good points; I guess since the "promise" of official Samsung lolli has been out there for so long, the folks who want an official Samsung 5.0 are holding out for it; you never know if a "ported" version will have all the features that the Samsung die hard fans want in their Samsung roms, so that might be part of it..
its gotta show up soon, and its insulting to the folks who own the top Samsung phone on the market that they aren't/weren't the first ones to get this on their note 4's..
Its blunders like this that will eventually cost Samsung their leadership in the cell phone world, if it hasn't already..
Most people will just wait. Porting over a waste of time for devs. Now if they knew 5.0 would never come then that is a different story.
BAD ASS NOTE 4 + BAD ASS GEAR S
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good points; I guess since the "promise" of official Samsung lolli has been out there for so long, the folks who want an official Samsung 5.0 are holding out for it; you never know if a "ported" version will have all the features that the Samsung die hard fans want in their Samsung roms, so that might be part of it..
its gotta show up soon, and its insulting to the folks who own the top Samsung phone on the market that they aren't/weren't the first ones to get this on their note 4's..
Its blunders like this that will eventually cost Samsung their leadership in the cell phone world, if it hasn't already..
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I agree it is an insult to Samsung fans to neglect your customers like that.
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good points; I guess since the "promise" of official Samsung lolli has been out there for so long, the folks who want an official Samsung 5.0 are holding out for it; you never know if a "ported" version will have all the features that the Samsung die hard fans want in their Samsung roms, so that might be part of it..
its gotta show up soon, and its insulting to the folks who own the top Samsung phone on the market that they aren't/weren't the first ones to get this on their note 4's..
Its blunders like this that will eventually cost Samsung their leadership in the cell phone world, if it hasn't already..
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Most people will just wait. Porting over a waste of time for devs. Now if they knew 5.0 would never come then that is a different story.
BAD ASS NOTE 4 + BAD ASS GEAR S
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But we never really know when it will be here, it could be November. The sad fact is the Note 5 may be out by the time Samsung gets it done, and the carriers finish adding bloat, and finally decide its time to release it. Even if you are just waiting for the international version to release, we have no clue when that may be.
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But we never really know when it will be here, it could be November. The sad fact is the Note 5 may be out by the time Samsung gets it done, and the carriers finish adding bloat, and finally decide its time to release it. Even if you are just waiting for the international version to release, we have no clue when that may be.
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Blame TMOBILE lol. They can push Samsung in getting it done. Then Samsung will say we done tomible has it lol. Either way. I feel bad for all those waiting daily for it to drop. I for one will stay with nk4. Lollipop will not offer me much from what I can see so far.
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Blame TMOBILE lol. They can push Samsung in getting it done. Then Samsung will say we done tomible has it lol. Either way. I feel bad for all those waiting daily for it to drop. I for one will stay with nk4. Lollipop will not offer me much from what I can see so far.
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I get that, but can you honestly say if the ROM was available you wouldn't flash it and try it out giddily?
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I get that, but can you honestly say if the ROM was available you wouldn't flash it and try it out giddily?
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Honestly I would not flash it. Not a fan of the look and the pull down menu. I actually like stock for this phone. Tried flashing most that are here and always found my way back to stock deodex.
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Honestly I would not flash it. Not a fan of the look and the pull down menu. I actually like stock for this phone. Tried flashing most that are here and always found my way back to stock deodex.
BAD ASS NOTE 4 + BAD ASS GEAR S
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Idk, but being the tinkerer you are, like me, I can't see you passing up the ROM, at least to try it.
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It's funny that we don't have a port for the Note 4 and over at the Note 3 forum section
They have a Note 4 port!!! Note 4!!! For the Note 3!?!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-tw-note-4-port-5-0-1-darklord-rom-1-t3017604
I know its coming but I do want a tw lollipop that runs well every other aosp ROM gets my phone really hot and I hate that although I appreciate the work the devs do porting them.
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It's funny that we don't have a port for the Note 4 and over at the Note 3 forum section
They have a Note 4 port!!! Note 4!!! For the Note 3!?!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-tw-note-4-port-5-0-1-darklord-rom-1-t3017604
I know its coming but I do want a tw lollipop that runs well every other aosp ROM gets my phone really hot and I hate that although I appreciate the work the devs do porting them.
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Yeah this is pretty crazy how Ironic it must be nice.I just hope when we get it for the note 4 it was worth the wait.
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The reason that nothing has been ported to this device is we need the kernel gods to do their thing. Any day now. Kernel is the issue for us right now.
Now, don't get the wrong idea. I'm not asking or demanding for ROMs or what have you. More like where are the developers. Are people not digging this phone and refusing to move over to it? Or is this thing off to a really slow start?
Again, I'm not asking for ETA, ROMs, mods, anything of that sort. Just wondering what the state of the g920t is in the developer realm.
If there is anything I would LOVE an ETA for or any information on for that matter is Cyanogenmod 12 lol I'm a CM head. Ran it exclusively on my S4 so I feel very out of place being stuck on Touchwiz. Although I must admit it's grown on me and is worlds better than past versions.
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Now, don't get the wrong idea. I'm not asking or demanding for ROMs or what have you. More like where are the developers. Are people not digging this phone and refusing to move over to it? Or is this thing off to a really slow start?
Again, I'm not asking for ETA, ROMs, mods, anything of that sort. Just wondering what the state of the g920t is in the developer realm.
If there is anything I would LOVE an ETA for or any information on for that matter is Cyanogenmod 12 lol I'm a CM head. Ran it exclusively on my S4 so I feel very out of place being stuck on Touchwiz. Although I must admit it's grown on me and is worlds better than past versions.
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The development on the aosp side of things has been really quiet, probably because they don't want to get peoples' hopes up. If you bought this device expecting to get cm12, it might not be a realistic expectation
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The development on the aosp side of things has been really quiet, probably because they don't want to get peoples' hopes up. If you bought this device expecting to get cm12, it might not be a realistic expectation
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Completely understandable. And yea I did buy this phone expecting CM12. I've owned every Galaxy S phone except the 3 and 5 and had CM on every one of them. What I didn't know was the dislike for Exynos that exists among developers.
Hopefully this will change but you know what, Touchwiz is good enough to hold me over If nothing happens by the time jump comes back around I'll most likely drop this phone and jump over to the HTC One. Yes I love AOSP that much lol If it weren't for the Nexus 6 being so damn huge i'd be on that right now.
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Completely understandable. And yea I did buy this phone expecting CM12. I've owned every Galaxy S phone except the 3 and 5 and had CM on every one of them. What I didn't know was the dislike for Exynos that exists among developers.
Hopefully this will change but you know what, Touchwiz is good enough to hold me over If nothing happens by the time jump comes back around I'll most likely drop this phone and jump over to the HTC One. Yes I love AOSP that much lol If it weren't for the Nexus 6 being so damn huge i'd be on that right now.
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It's because exynos isn't open source, which gives the developers nothing to go on so they have to reverse engineer everything. It's not about hate, it's about documentation
waiting on root for 5.1.1 tw first
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Completely understandable. And yea I did buy this phone expecting CM12. I've owned every Galaxy S phone except the 3 and 5 and had CM on every one of them. What I didn't know was the dislike for Exynos that exists among developers.
Hopefully this will change but you know what, Touchwiz is good enough to hold me over If nothing happens by the time jump comes back around I'll most likely drop this phone and jump over to the HTC One. Yes I love AOSP that much lol If it weren't for the Nexus 6 being so damn huge i'd be on that right now.
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If you were surprised about the lack of Exynos dev support, then you obviously did not do your homework before buying. Yes, there have been prior Exynos devices that (eventually) got CM, but it took many months of hard work and reverse engineering. You should never EVER buy a Samsung device with the expectation of having CM on it later (especially if it has Exynos). Die hard CM fans should stick with Nexus because those devices will always be the first to get CM. If you can't stand Touchwiz or any of the TW-based custom roms that are available, then you might as well sell your S6 now while you can get the most money for it.
The new Nexus coming out in November looks promising. Suppose to come in 2 sizes by 2 different makesr, one size I'm interested in is the smaller 5.4" model. I'll keep this S6 till then and Jump when the Nexus 5 2015 is available.
roger1955
Being a CM fan too, i think this device has a lot of potential with touchwiz based rom. Many contributors are working hard to bring fixes where samsung failed to deliver!
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The new Nexus coming out in November looks promising. Suppose to come in 2 sizes by 2 different makesr, one size I'm interested in is the smaller 5.4" model. I'll keep this S6 till then and Jump when the Nexus 5 2015 is available.
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Same here. I was planning to get the OnePlus Two, but not if it has SD810. I'll wait for a small Nexus.
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If you were surprised about the lack of Exynos dev support, then you obviously did not do your homework before buying. Yes, there have been prior Exynos devices that (eventually) got CM, but it took many months of hard work and reverse engineering. You should never EVER buy a Samsung device with the expectation of having CM on it later (especially if it has Exynos). Die hard CM fans should stick with Nexus because those devices will always be the first to get CM. If you can't stand Touchwiz or any of the TW-based custom roms that are available, then you might as well sell your S6 now while you can get the most money for it.
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Yes I made this clear above. I've never owned an Exynos device, so I made the leap assuming it would have CM support just like every other Galaxy S I've owned. Also I am a die hard AOSP fan but I've always preferred Galaxy S features like SAMOLED and external SD so I've always gotten a GS and called it a day. As I said earlier, the Nexus 6 is just too large so that's out of the question.
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Yes I made this clear above. I've never owned an Exynos device, so I made the leap assuming it would have CM support just like every other Galaxy S I've owned. Also I am a die hard AOSP fan but I've always preferred Galaxy S features like SAMOLED and external SD so I've always gotten a GS and called it a day. As I said earlier, the Nexus 6 is just too large so that's out of the question.
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Get the g4.
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Get the g4.
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NO. I despise LG. I used to own a G2x. Never trusted LG after that mess.
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NO. I despise LG. I used to own a G2x. Never trusted LG after that mess.
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I can understand your hesitation after the G2x but LG has come a long way. They still have a horrid UI but that's why we have custom ROMs. They still have snapdragon, as well. Not to mention some amazing hardware. Right up there with any other manufacturer (yes even considering their plastic back version...who doesn't use a case anyway) That all being said...I'm still getting the next Nexus lol LG and Sammy have some incredible features that aren't available in CM but stock Android is just too smooth
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Get the g4.
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Locked bootloader.
ambervals6 said:
Get the g4.
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Locked bootloader.
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Also unless something changed there isn't a "safe" way to root the g4.
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Also unless something changed there isn't a "safe" way to root the g4.
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The only change is LG released unlock bootloader tool for int'l non-carrier versions only.
So given that, i think we are on the best option (and i'm saying that coming from a Note 4)
I think there are Fans who just like CM or AOSP because of the look and feel aspect of stock. I can understand, but as stated in a number of statements here, there are some awesome aspects and hardware features with stock TW that will indeed be lost CM or AOSP - Big example are camara features to name one.
Now if you follow the theme section you will see there is a way to get stock material look - now mix it with Nova launcher you are GOLDEN..it will hold me over...
Hi everybody
another bad news :http://www.sammobile.com/2015/07/16...ont-ever-get-most-of-the-galaxy-s6s-features/
as you can see on my signature , i was fan of sony , me and so many other people boycotted sony because of its bad support and its lies ...
i switched to note 3 , mmmm i should say that was good , very goon in compare of sony products . after that i decided to upgrade to note 4 . unfortunately , those days , samsung's policy is confusing me :http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/shealths-spo2-stress-level-removed-t3157312
i donno why Samsung want to give its technology with dropper ! no theme store , no 64 bit unlock , this country have shealth option and another counter shouldn't have , no new touchwiz ... and as you can hear these days , the 5.1.1 update on note 4 will be the same as 5.0.1 on my high end phone ... it seems samsung don't care about users requests. do u think its hard for samsung to port the new touchwiz on note 4 ? or its impossible to open the theme store for note 4 ?
this kind of attitude remind me what sony said on xperia mini pro ( the hardware can't support multitouch ==> but a developer did ) and on xperia play ( is not compatible with android 4.0 m the drive problem ==> but a developer solved )
you know , i don't like apple phones , but when people talking about apple product support , i want to respect them and say OSSSSSS...,
yeah , the samsung's policy is not user friendly and i can see the they are losing their customer ! I hate the DROPPER policy ...
Agree agree Samsung forgot everything about note 4 they don't care about us , the only thing they care is about money when they lunch there product they like uuu we have the best of the best this device can this and that and bla bla and after a few weeks they **** on our faces and make a note 5 that can do everything and have the latest update .
So take it as a Samsung user from s4 n2 n3 N4 do never ever buy this broken phone again I swear I've used so many time trying to flash and reflash wipe installing fixing it like a disses so promise me do never buy Samsung broken phone this N4 is my last note 4 , I'm going for nexus series next buy p3obly when I've paid this broken phone
They promise and promise and nothing happens
so true, Note 4 is a lovely device. Samsung is ruining it. I am going for a iPhone or a nexus next time. I wish Note 5 sales cripple so that they get the message. After being with Samsung for more than 5 years starting with Galaxy S I9000, Note 4 is my last
This is my last samsung device, only motorola/nexus or iphone for upgrades.
If it is about hardware limitation I can understand that .
But to port most of the new S6 stuff to Note 4 by developers from xda ........... that is something unacceptable from Samsung.
They should learn from Apple .... nearly all the new software features in the new iPhone will be available in the previous iPhones , and they are really selling very well.
Why they think if they make S6 software stuff available in Note 4, no one will buy S6 or Note 5 ??????
Any way my Note 4 still with 4.4.4 & because Samsung doesn't provide any new features I don't trust their updates & I believe they send updates to make more lag so you buy newer hardware.
I feel Samsung is selling us Smart feature phones with TouchWize where there is no ability to update or develop.
The update policy is definitely the biggest perversion in the smartphone business!
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If it is about hardware limitation I can understand that .
But to port most of the new S6 stuff to Note 4 by developers from xda ........... that is something unacceptable from Samsung.
They should learn from Apple .... nearly all the new software features in the new iPhone will be available in the previous iPhones , and they are really selling very well.
Why they think if they make S6 software stuff available in Note 4, no one will buy S6 or Note 5 ??????
Any way my Note 4 still with 4.4.4 & because Samsung doesn't provide any new features I don't trust their updates & I believe they send updates to make more lag so you buy newer hardware.
I feel Samsung is selling us Smart feature phones with TouchWize where there is no ability to update or develop.
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i always wondered does any person switch from an older phone to new cuz of gimmicks but this thread definetly shows people are so desperate for stuff they dont even care they just want new stuff whatever samsung will keep doing this as long as people carry on crying about useless stuff.
and samsung is a bad company on customer satisfaction and it havent change for years i just wonder what did you expect while you were buying a samsung device.
and crying for s6 stuff is so fail which s6 tw just sucks. i hope they wont bring it to note 4, i dont wanna use a unstable device with worst multitaskinf experience ive ever had.
ps:5.0.1 update is better than 4.4.4 you can definetly see whenever you put them side by side
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i always wondered does any person switch from an older phone to new cuz of gimmicks but this thread definetly shows people are so desperate for stuff they dont even care they just want new stuff whatever samsung will keep doing this as long as people carry on crying about useless stuff.
and samsung is a bad company on customer satisfaction and it havent change for years i just wonder what did you expect while you were buying a samsung device.
and crying for s6 stuff is so fail which s6 tw just sucks. i hope they wont bring it to note 4, i dont wanna use a unstable device with worst multitaskinf experience ive ever had.
ps:5.0.1 update is better than 4.4.4 you can definetly see whenever you put them side by side
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I bought note 3 , note 4 for spen feature that is necessary for my job , as i said , the note 3 support was better and that was the reason to upgrade to note 4 (( i gave note 3 to my wife )) . further to the mentioned problems , i had so many driver fault on my phone till previous week ! my phone is exynos version and has so many GPU driver bug ... on previous week , i had to change my krenel again and finally googy kernel helped me.
i hard for me to say , but i think to say goodbye to samsung..
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so true, Note 4 is a lovely device. Samsung is ruining it. I am going for a iPhone or a nexus next time. I wish Note 5 sales cripple so that they get the message. After being with Samsung for more than 5 years starting with Galaxy S I9000, Note 4 is my last
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An iPhone??? Seriously?
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This is my last samsung device, only motorola/nexus or iphone for upgrades.
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And you too?
I've happily owned the note, note 2 (twice), 3 (OnePlus One and then nexus 5) then note 4 (easily the best phone I've owned and current). This is my last Samsung though.
I'm looking forward to the Oneplus 2. Without removable battery and sd card slot, there is just no point in buying a note 5 (unless you are desperate for the s pen - which I use once or twice a week so I'm not!) and spending more than twice on a comparable sized device.
The OPO was awesome, but at the time screen sensitivity was poor until fixed by a release - of which they are so much quicker than Samsung have ever been!
Sammy is going down the swanny.:crying:
I think XDA members are never happy with any phone and never will. No 64bit? WOW what a huge difference.. really? No themes, omg lets buy an iphone. This logic is driving me crazy
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i always wondered does any person switch from an older phone to new cuz of gimmicks but this thread definetly shows people are so desperate for stuff they dont even care they just want new stuff whatever samsung will keep doing this as long as people carry on crying about useless stuff.
and samsung is a bad company on customer satisfaction and it havent change for years i just wonder what did you expect while you were buying a samsung device.
and crying for s6 stuff is so fail which s6 tw just sucks. i hope they wont bring it to note 4, i dont wanna use a unstable device with worst multitaskinf experience ive ever had.
ps:5.0.1 update is better than 4.4.4 you can definetly see whenever you put them side by side
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I think XDA members are never happy with any phone and never will. No 64bit? WOW what a huge difference.. really? No themes, omg lets buy an iphone. This logic is driving me crazy
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the main logic in 2015 to keep customer is customer support . the people pay money and want best support , surely if something make them unhappy , they will think on change their next upgrade ... yes , its true about the technology market !
mehdi.moha said:
I bought note 3 , note 4 for spen feature that is necessary for my job , as i said , the note 3 support was better and that was the reason to upgrade to note 4 (( i gave note 3 to my wife )) . further to the mentioned problems , i had so many driver fault on my phone till previous week ! my phone is exynos version and has so many GPU driver bug ... on previous week , i had to change my krenel again and finally googy kernel helped me.
i hard for me to say , but i think to say goodbye to samsung..
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note 3 support was better seriously? its still using a very bad software. while i was using note 3 i decided that it will be my last samsung device but after note 4 came out i tested new software and i was satisfied about it and except call screen delay and gpu bug they made really a better software on lollipop way smoother and stable for me compared to kitkat. since i dont have any game on my phone gpu bug doesnt bother me aswell.
you can think whatever you want but trust me note 4 lollipop is way better than s6 s. i never use my s6 edge terrible battery life and worst multitasking experience ever i just think people have no idea about what they want, they just read tw is debloated and its fast and" we should get it omg they are threating us bad etc" its just marketing stuff. lol technology sites even published you can disable or delete useless stuff on s6 and note 4 users were still crying that we need it too and it was just possible on note 4 too.
well dont buy samsung again i really dont care about it but s6 doesnt really use a faster software dont get fooled by fake news. if you arent happy with note 4 its allright grab another phone. but just dont think everything besides your phone is awesome im having too many problems on my 6 plus too. if you can find the perfect phone in future pm me too ill grab it definetly. but until then im pretty sure ill skip note 5 and keep note 4.
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And you too?
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Yep, an iphone.
Why? Because they upgrade their devices to the latest version quickly.
The note 4 is so expensive and now is abandoned by samsung.
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Why? Because they upgrade their devices to the latest version quickly.
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LOL, so you will rather get updates quickly that are already lackluster and 4-5 years after the competition?
What's the point on just having the latest OS version on your phone when that latest version of iOS doesn't bring you anything that the other OS'es doesn't already have had for many years?
That's like saying that you care more about having a higher version number on iOS over what features and stuffs you get. Which in my opinion is stupid.
How many years did it take Apple to get 3rd party keyboards to iOS and how many more years will it takes Apple to get a theme store like every other Android OEMs have now?
Another 5-6 years to get a theme store?
Yeah you get my point.
But you are on XDA-Developers, which also means that if you are getting tired of waiting for Samsung or whoever that makes an Android phone to bring you a new Android version or any fixes, then you have the awesome freedom to fix that yourself here. With iOS, you have to wait for Apple to tell you when you can update your device and how you can use it and so on.
Here you can rather find developers that will fix all of your problems before Samsung or any of the other OEMs would put out any of those fixes themself. And just to take an example on what i'm talking about here. Samsung have said that the Note 4 wont get any of the S6's features and the new S6 TouchWiz UI. But the cool thing here is that someone have ported the S6 Edge ROM to the Note 4 where we have the newest TouchWiz UI and stuffs. The ROMs aren't posted about here on XDA-Developers, so you have to find them yourself.
Here we have the freedom to choose what WE as users of a product want. With iOS, you have to wait for Apple to tell you when you can update your device and how you can use your device after how Apple want's it to be.
EDIT: Samsung haven't abandoned the Note 4 at all. We will get Android M around March-April next year where we will get a new and refreshed TouchWiz UI and many of the features the Note 5 gets anyways.
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Yep, an iphone.
Why? Because they upgrade their devices to the latest version quickly.
The note 4 is so expensive and now is abandoned by samsung.
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Well if that's your only criteria then it's the perfect phone for you.
I guess you are not interested in customising your phone, taking full control over the operating system, file management, mods, or choice of phone. I am also guessing you enjoy being dictated to by what Apple says you can and can't do with your phone or install on your phone.
If you're happy with that then buy an iphone. You will probably have no further need for the XDA community either.
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Does anybody think we'll get at least the new apps(like the gallery and dialer, I really hate our Stock dialer. )?
To me it seems Samsung has wrote off the Note 4, it's hardly had any support since it launched last year, I've now sold mine and gone back to my trusty Nexus 5 which even after nearly 2 years is still great.
I won't be buying the Note 5 or any other Samsung phones from now on, because 6 months down the line the Note 5 will be forgotten in favor of the S7.
I've also recently picked up a cheap Nokia 735, for use with Windows 10 for when it launches in a couple of months, currently testing the preview build of Windows 10 atm on it & it's shaping up to be a very decent OS.
If the apps situation improves with Windows 10 ie ports from both Android & iOS then I may consider switching fully to Windows in the future.
But for the time being at least my next smartphone will be another Nexus device.
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i always wondered does any person switch from an older phone to new cuz of gimmicks but this thread definetly shows people are so desperate for stuff they dont even care they just want new stuff whatever samsung will keep doing this as long as people carry on crying about useless stuff.
and samsung is a bad company on customer satisfaction and it havent change for years i just wonder what did you expect while you were buying a samsung device.
and crying for s6 stuff is so fail which s6 tw just sucks. i hope they wont bring it to note 4, i dont wanna use a unstable device with worst multitaskinf experience ive ever had.
ps:5.0.1 update is better than 4.4.4 you can definetly see whenever you put them side by side
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I agree.
Look, at the end of the day there is NOTHING that says Samsung MUST give us new features, when you bought the phone you knew what you were getting, and crying about Samsung not bringing S6 features is laughable, you sound like someone who invested in shares of a company and got mad when they didn't make any profit, that is the risk. When it comes to buying a new gadget you must be happy with what it brings from Day 1.
The mere fact that we even get frequent updates makes us lucky.
If you were complaining about FW Bugs, and features being ruined e.g. GPU being made worse due to a FW Update, then THAT would be understandable as they are not delivering what they promised when you bought the device the GPU was fine.
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note 3 support was better seriously? its still using a very bad software. while i was using note 3 i decided that it will be my last samsung device but after note 4 came out i tested new software and i was satisfied about it and except call screen delay and gpu bug they made really a better software on lollipop way smoother and stable for me compared to kitkat. since i dont have any game on my phone gpu bug doesnt bother me aswell.
you can think whatever you want but trust me note 4 lollipop is way better than s6 s. i never use my s6 edge terrible battery life and worst multitasking experience ever i just think people have no idea about what they want, they just read tw is debloated and its fast and" we should get it omg they are threating us bad etc" its just marketing stuff. lol technology sites even published you can disable or delete useless stuff on s6 and note 4 users were still crying that we need it too and it was just possible on note 4 too.
well dont buy samsung again i really dont care about it but s6 doesnt really use a faster software dont get fooled by fake news. if you arent happy with note 4 its allright grab another phone. but just dont think everything besides your phone is awesome im having too many problems on my 6 plus too. if you can find the perfect phone in future pm me too ill grab it definetly. but until then im pretty sure ill skip note 5 and keep note 4.
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I never liked Galaxy S series man , my only reason to use samsung - mobile is note - series . anyway , that u for sharing your experience
Guys,
i've been checking XDA every several days to see if there will be any information regarding Android 7 ROMs for N910F, but there seems to be an absolute silence.
Is there anyone from the development teams that could give an update on the subject, should we expect any roms this month, for example? i'm surprised by this silence, because Galaxy Tab S, for example, already has 7.0 rom for weeks:
[ROM][7.0] Android 7 - Nougat [T700/T705/T800/T805]
There have been a lot of complaints regarding battery life on MM, so maybe android 7 will be the next great thing in Note 4 Roms?
thanks!!
You could always pick up the great guides on here, buy a book or two, and start a 7.0N thread including a ROM
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Tweetytek said:
You could always pick up the great guides on here, buy a book or two, and start a 7.0N thread including a ROM!
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what an unhelpful and useless reply, really!
of course, probably you grow the cow first if you want to have some milk, or maybe build an airplane first if you need to fly to a different city. if you find it reasonable, good for you!
however this does not give any information regading upcoming Android 7 roms for N910F, or why they are not showing up (are there any issues, etc).
lisbon2004 said:
Guys,
i've been checking XDA every several days to see if there will be any information regarding Android 7 ROMs for N910F, but there seems to be an absolute silence.
Is there anyone from the development teams that could give an update on the subject, should we expect any roms this month, for example? i'm surprised by this silence, because Galaxy Tab S, for example, already has 7.0 rom for weeks:
[ROM][7.0] Android 7 - Nougat [T700/T705/T800/T805]
There have been a lot of complaints regarding battery life on MM, so maybe android 7 will be the next great thing in Note 4 Roms?
thanks!!
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It says that the Android 7 Nougat ROM for the Galaxy Tab S has no telephony at present! Not a good start for a mobile phone ... however "smart" it may be!!
I suspect that is the main problem!
robmeik said:
It says that the Android 7 Nougat ROM for the Galaxy Tab S has no telephony at present! Not a good start for a mobile phone ... however "smart" it may be!!
I suspect that is the main problem!
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it's very difficult to say. Tab S is a tablet, with slow CPU, but with amazing screen and excellent thinness/weight.
Android 6 rom actually made this tablet usable again, a perfect thing for web browsing.
many users (like me) are fine to use it just for wi-fi with Android 7 ROM.
I don't think there will be any problem with Android 7 on Note 4 Snapdragon, but it's amazing that nobody comments on this, and does not give any plans. I'm sure there will be many users willing to jump from 4.4.4 to 7.0...
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it's very difficult to say. Tab S is a tablet, with slow CPU, but with amazing screen and excellent thinness/weight.
Android 6 rom actually made this tablet usable again, a perfect thing for web browsing.
many users (like me) are fine to use it just for wi-fi with Android 7 ROM.
I don't think there will be any problem with Android 7 on Note 4 Snapdragon, but it's amazing that nobody comments on this, and does not give any plans. I'm sure there will be many users willing to jump from 4.4.4 to 7.0...
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Yes I have the Note 4 (SM-N910F) and the Tab S (SM-T805) and have Lollipop on both. I am sure that as the Android 7 (Nougat) ROM gets rolled out to phones as opposed to tablets there will be some Nougat ROMs appearing for our Note 4. The person who cooked the Nougat ROM for the Tab S obviously had difficulties getting the telephony to work He says:
"Issues
Graphical glitches on rotation and screen off
RIL, meaning no telephony support so far"
- that is probably why that ROM hasn't been developed further for phones!
lisbon2004 said:
it's very difficult to say. Tab S is a tablet, with slow CPU, but with amazing screen and excellent thinness/weight.
Android 6 rom actually made this tablet usable again, a perfect thing for web browsing.
many users (like me) are fine to use it just for wi-fi with Android 7 ROM.
I don't think there will be any problem with Android 7 on Note 4 Snapdragon, but it's amazing that nobody comments on this, and does not give any plans. I'm sure there will be many users willing to jump from 4.4.4 to 7.0...
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The tab s has almost the same procrssor as the note 4 exynos. However yes it isnt a processor which is good for an flagship tablet but Samsung does that with all tablets, the New Tab S2 2016 edition also only has a SD652 processor, which also cant be clasified as high end..
Ok, seems like finally there's progress:
Android 7 for T-mobile Note 4
Let's hope the recall of note 7 will give us a nougat official samsung rom!
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Let's hope the recall of note 7 will give us a nougat official samsung rom!
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I logged in just to share that thought too! Since the Note 7 is dead now, I think the Note 4 has to get Nougat along with the Note 5 fingers crossed :fingers-crossed:
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I logged in just to share that thought too! Since the Note 7 is dead now, I think the Note 4 has to get Nougat along with the Note 5 fingers crossed :fingers-crossed:
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I hope too. But let's don't get overwhelmed by the hope.
From business perspective it's pointless to invest in old device support in this situation. They've lost billions on Note7. Upgrading Note4 to Nougat means more spending and give users reasons to stay longer on old devices, while they want you to buy a new one quicker to cover their expenses.
Upgrading Note4 would be a very noble move from Samsung, but as their previous behavior shows, noble moves are not in their habits.
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I hope too. But let's don't get overwhelmed by the hope.
From business perspective it's pointless to invest in old device support in this situation. They've lost billions on Note7.
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well, if you ignore customers and their loyalty, then it'd be pointless to invest in old device support.
if you value your customers, then it is not pointless.
because happy customers help you sell your products; unhappy customers do the opposite.
at the end of the day, there's nothing really that would prevent a healthy Android 7 ROM to be made for the Note 7.
Samsung has already made a lot of people angry by removing features like Flat screen, the removable battery, ir blaster, etc. If the battery were removable in Note 7, very possibly the recall and the media disaster wouldn't even have happened.
Let's see if they will lean, and will become customer-focused again.
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well, if you ignore customers and their loyalty, then it'd be pointless to invest in old device support.
if you value your customers, then it is not pointless.
because happy customers help you sell your products; unhappy customers do the opposite.
at the end of the day, there's nothing really that would prevent a healthy Android 7 ROM to be made for the Note 7.
Samsung has already made a lot of people angry by removing features like Flat screen, the removable battery, ir blaster, etc. If the battery were removable in Note 7, very possibly the recall and the media disaster wouldn't even have happened.
Let's see if they will lean, and will become customer-focused again.
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I'm not trying to argue, but lots of people, who buy top devices (whatever that means), usually don't care and even don't know what version of OS they have. I'm not trying to say they are stupid or something, they just don't care or the OS version is not their priority.
Plus lots of old device owners are not direct Samsung customers, that's what this business success is about: if customer wants to be on the edge, (s)he should buy new. I don't know if there's a research about how many - 2-3 y.o. flagships have 2nd+ owners, but the refurbished phone market is quite big. So, part of not so must-do investment like upgrading old phones is not only going to nowhere for the phone makers, but also creates undesired competition for their new products on some markets (e.g. like in my country where operators' offers phone+contract aren't so "sweet" like in countries with bigger number of potential customers and people would think twice if they need to upgrade with brand-new or lightly used). Note4 users are just a thin slice.
And you can't blame Samsung for not taking care about old device owners - they released 6.0.1 update for N910F not so long ago, they run "buy-back" program in lots of places. But, you know, there should be something to get you interested in buying new phone.
OK, seems like we're going off topic here
I did get the same thought about my Note4 and Nougat as soon as I heard about termination of Note7, but... I'm skeptic here. It's hard time for Samsung to invest in something with doubtful possibility to return and make their new products less valuable comparing to old ones.
I've no idea what you all are thinking, but 1. There sure as Hell won't be an official Sammy Update to 7.0. Never ever.
2. 7.0 Custom roms are far away. Since no Samsung phone is on an official stable build (afaik) there's no base yet. So the only Option is AOSP. In my experience even the 6.0 Roms aren't stable enough for a daily driver. Since a Nougat port needs some base, normally the 6.0 Rom would be used as a base. It gets a bit technical from here on, but tldr is, it's not as easy as downloading the source, copying some folders around and bang, rom...
3. As a (un)written rule, you never ask for eta's. Ever. It's no problem if you ask if there is anything out there, but as you figured already out, there's not. So asking like a child on christmas day when it's going to be there, especially that close to release of the source, is considered rude.
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3. As a (un)written rule, you never ask for eta's. Ever. It's no problem if you ask if there is anything out there, but as you figured already out, there's not. So asking like a child on christmas day when it's going to be there, especially that close to release of the source, is considered rude.
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your comment regarding the lack of the first official base gives some understanding regarding 7.0 status, thanks for that!
As for the last one, p.3, asking "when" and "how is it going" could be considered rude only by really childish and immature persons.
There are a lot of people here on XDA that flash roms in their spare time too (like people that develop them), and not everyone has too much of it. we would like to have at least some basic understanding about 7.0 progress, to plan migration to the new rom (which requires dedicating several consecutive days for roms flashing, data migration, and testing). Asking when, is about planning.
"I'm not trying to argue, but lots of people, who buy top devices (whatever that means), usually don't care and even don't know what version of OS they have.".
According to my experience, this is true. No one here should think that they use their phones the way we do, here on XDA. 8 out of 10 users just update their devices, because they see the OTA notification appearing, but don´t even care about the differences between the old OS and the new one. If you ask them, what is KitKat and Lollipop, or root, most likely they won´t know the answers. As long as Facebook, WhatsApp, Viber, whatever works, everything´s fine. The only difference they do care about, is battery ilfe. By the way, battery life... I´m an android user since Gingerbread. I had several devices, before i bought the Note 1, and since then I´m using only Note phones, I had the Note 2, Note 3, and now for a long time, Note 4. I never ever understood why some people are so keen on having the newest OS, because according to my experience, the newest is rarely the better... I liked KitKat, especially the X-Note custom ROM´s. Lollipop was on the market for long time, i had to reflash my phone, so i thought i give it a try. After a few weeks of being on Lollipop, i ran back to KitKat, my good old X-Note. Lollipop was a huge stepback in battery life, and i haven´t experienced any really noticable advantages. About a month ago i deciced to upgrade my KitKat to Marshmallow, just out of curiousity. A huge disappointment, again. Battery life is also worse, the overhyped permission management system is a joke, and apart from the off-screen memo i haven´t found anything useful in MM. So, as before, i went back to my good old KK, i enjoy the stability, the extreme long battery life, and, honestly, i don´t even wait to Nougat.
tompika72 said:
"I'm not trying to argue, but lots of people, who buy top devices (whatever that means), usually don't care and even don't know what version of OS they have.".
According to my experience, this is true... (shortened).
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It goes even further than not careing. My own girlfriend HATES OS Updates. i told her, that for her Mate 7 there's a new Android Version out. She refuses to update because every update on every device ever (not only android, windows too) meant major hassle for her. She uses the phone as is and everything that changes anything is evil. Don't try to argue with security or such. She is just feared, that her phone won't work the same anymore. And seeing how much i flash my phone to "get it working" i can't blame her
Battery life is a topic i'm struggeling with. My inner nerd wants to get the maximum runtime out of that thing. But recently, with Doze introduced, i have some major Notification Problems. Allo doesn't notify at all or 2 days later. Whatsapp randomly delays Notifications by hours... Maybe the ever itching battery saving thing has gone to far. I mean, on a typical workday i leave at 6am and come home at 5pm with 75% Battery left. I just stopped caring. The Note 4 makes it through a day on every OS for me. And a second one if i have too. :good:
Seems like no news at all regarding 7.0 ROMs...
an absolute silence...
Several devs making AOSP/CM Roms have stated in their threads, that it's in the works. Only now some devices running stock'ish roms are getting Android 7 (OPO..) We are rocking an oldish phone with a processor/chipset that no official Android 7 phone has. Samsung has no official 7 rom either. So it's just a lot of work to get something useable.
I'm sure our devs have something bootable. But getting from there to something usable/daily driver ready is a long and bumpy road. Give them some time. We'll get it sooner or later. For sure.