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Got a small problem.
I sold an ASUS Eee Pad Transformer to a guy on eBay around a month ago (January 13th, to be exact). I said the condition was not amazing, it had a few knocks, scratches, knicks etc. However, this guy bought it for £200.
I have just had an eBay message from the same guy who bought the TF. He says the build quality isn't very good and there's a dead pixel on the screen. I did not notice these when I had the tablet. Furthermore, the Transformer's build quality is known to be not so good.
Where do I stand on this? Am I in the right by saying that I won't take it back, because I said 'no returns accepted' on the listing? Or do I have a legal obligation to take this back and refund him the money (obviously I'd prefer the former).
Thanks,
Phil
i would make sure its the same tablet (hes not sending you a different one back) since you said you didnt notice the dead pixel
Have him take a picture of the dead pixel.
And ask him to describe his qualms about the build quality. Hopefully he'll go into depth about creaking and such, things that are a fault of the manufacturer's and definitely not yours.
So long as there is no dead pixel and he isn't complaining about you improperly describing the tablet, I would not refund it.
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Got a small problem.
I sold an ASUS Eee Pad Transformer to a guy on eBay around a month ago (January 13th, to be exact). I said the condition was not amazing, it had a few knocks, scratches, knicks etc. However, this guy bought it for £200.
I have just had an eBay message from the same guy who bought the TF. He says the build quality isn't very good and there's a dead pixel on the screen. I did not notice these when I had the tablet. Furthermore, the Transformer's build quality is known to be not so good.
Where do I stand on this? Am I in the right by saying that I won't take it back, because I said 'no returns accepted' on the listing? Or do I have a legal obligation to take this back and refund him the money (obviously I'd prefer the former).
Thanks,
Phil
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I would leave it unless he files a claim with paypal. Then just show pictures of it and fight it. It may take a while but it's worth it. That said if he offers to send it back accept the return and sell it again, it will save you the hassle in the long wrong
You shouldn't be obligated to accept returns since it was explicitly stated that you don't accept them.
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You shouldn't be obligated to accept returns since it was explicitly stated that you don't accept them.
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That's true unless the user disputes with paypal. If he does so and wins the seller HAS to refund the user.
You have no legal obligation to accept that item back unless you deliberately misrepresented the condition of the item prior to its sale.
If you have pics etc(you would have had them on the eBay listing?) and made clear the condition of the tablet then the customer has no recourse to you.
I'd reply to the customer and advise a dead pixel may be something they can take up with the manufacturer if it's still under warranty, if not, tough luck and sorry but it's nothing to do with you.
-psb
"No returns" policy that sellers use on eBay is meaningless. eBay does not allow it and will side with the buyer 90% of the time. Unfortunately for OP he does not have much recourse if buyer files a SNAD claim with eBay. The only defensive argument he has is to state that the item has been in buyer's possession for some time now and that it was sold as used.
I'd refund the guy 20 quids and call the day. No need to complicate it any further.
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I'd refund the guy 20 quids and call the day. No need to complicate it any further.
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If he accepts it, its the best you can expect.
I had the same with a tg01 on ebay, buyer claimed screen scratched even though it wasnt and was told to return the item to me by paypal who froze the money and then refunded him despite me showing photos to the contrary. Lucky for me mine came back unharmed, the buyer obviously didnt like it and used an excuse to get a easy refund. Paypal ignored my proof and my call for proof from the buyer.
In most cases within a 7/14 day period whatever Paypal have as a grace period, they will side with the buyer as long as the buyer does as instructed Im sorry to say.
OK, thanks guys!
I told him to send it back to ASUS. He said he isn't blaming me and he likes the tablet, so it looks like he doesn't want a refund, which is good.
I'll update this thread when/if I get another message from him
EDIT: I'll thank the people I didn't manage to thank tomorrow, ran out of thanks for today
OK, so here we go:
Initially I sold on a 64GB White Nexus 6 on Swappa to a guy. He paid $500 and asked for overnight shipping. And I did overnight it to him. A couple days after the phone was delivered, he started to come up with a bunch of made-up complaints about the phone, which none of them I believe is true. He asked to return the device, and I rejected it. He then went ahead and opened a case/claim on Paypal saying the phone is both externally and internally damaged (what??!!). Well. I didn't want to escalated the situation so I issued him a full refund. He also agreed to overnight the phone back to me. So far so good, right? well, things went south from 0 to 100 real quick.
He first commented on Swappa saying the phone was sent back. The next day, I got the tracking # of the returned package. USPS tried to deliver the package to me on 6/27, but I wasn't home to sign the package. They left a notice on my door. On 6/29 morning I went to my local office to pick up the package. As soon as the post office lady handed the package to me, I felt something's wrong. The package felt extremely light. So me and my gf decided to open the package at the post office on the spot. Well, guess what? it turned out to be an EMPTY box. He literally took everything included in the package except the box, which are the phone, cables, charger, 2 cases and manuals. I was able to get a couple pics of the empty package. But that's really it. I let Swappa staff get into the situation right after I got the empty package. The buyer instantly flipped out, and tried to cut short my communication with Swappa staff. Here is what he said. All in original words.
1. "You are a liar! First you send me a broken phone now you are trying to pull this. Thank God for PayPal. They can stop people like you from running scams."
2. "PayPal forced you to refund! Don't try to act like you did it BTW. You told me to basically screw off and to complain to swappa. I have a spotless ranking here. I am a frequent buyer and seller. Why would I ruin my reputation?"
3. "PayPal says to stop communication and they will handle this scammer. I am going to go ahead and listen to them since they handle my money. I am sorry swappa has to be involved with people who try to take advantage. I am done here though."
I didn't want to argue with him since he's obviously lying about the situation. I tried to ask Swappa for help, but they didn't do much. A couple days later, Paypal defended in his favor, and refunded his money. I tried to appeal the case, but I don't expect the decision to be altered.
At this point, I really don't know what to do. I think the post office has everything on camera. Maybe I can ask for their footage of me opening the package as a proof? I also have his name, address and everything. So I think I will file a police report later. If anyone can offer some help, that'd really appreciated.
So you refunded him and PayPal did too? I assume you refunded him through PayPal so they should have noticed that and not let him double dip. You should be able to appeal that part at least.
No. I issued the refund first, Paypal reviewed it, and then they officially refunded him.
Nothing you can do. Get police involved and file in small claim court of his city. I hate how dumb those swappa morrons staff members act in such situations. They never tell anything to the buyer even when it is obvious he is scamming you. Once I shipped a phone to a swappa buyer, package was weighted and I had receipt and anything and that dumb**** claims that I shipped him empty package. I uploaded pictures of receipts with tracking and anything but they wouldn't care. That's why best place to buy is online and best place to sell is cash on craigslist.
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At this point, I really don't know what to do. I think the post office has everything on camera. Maybe I can ask for their footage of me opening the package as a proof? I also have his name, address and everything. So I think I will file a police report later. If anyone can offer some help, that'd really appreciated.
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The 'lyer - buyer' has to pay in advance.
It would be logical that the same procedure is used when he sends the phone back. So no refund before you got the phone back.
When this is a procedure of PayPal or Swappa, you may try to claim the money there.
Sorry for you. But $500,- sending to an unknown is not wise.
My idea was 'don't buy a used phone'.
I changed it to ' don't buy nor sell a used phone'.
I wish you luck with the claim (PayPal/Swappa).
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Nothing you can do. Get police involved and file in small claim court of his city. I hate how dumb those swappa morrons staff members act in such situations. They never tell anything to the buyer even when it is obvious he is scamming you. Once I shipped a phone to a swappa buyer, package was weighted and I had receipt and anything and that dumb**** claims that I shipped him empty package. I uploaded pictures of receipts with tracking and anything but they wouldn't care. That's why best place to buy is online and best place to sell is cash on craigslist.
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Totally agree. Plus, you can't rate buyers on Swappa. How is that even fair?
I second getting the police involved.
jim380 said:
OK, so here we go:
Initially I sold on a 64GB White Nexus 6 on Swappa to a guy. He paid $500 and asked for overnight shipping. And I did overnight it to him. A couple days after the phone was delivered, he started to come up with a bunch of made-up complaints about the phone, which none of them I believe is true. He asked to return the device, and I rejected it. He then went ahead and opened a case/claim on Paypal saying the phone is both externally and internally damaged (what??!!). Well. I didn't want to escalated the situation so I issued him a full refund. He also agreed to overnight the phone back to me. So far so good, right? well, things went south from 0 to 100 real quick.
He first commented on Swappa saying the phone was sent back. The next day, I got the tracking # of the returned package. USPS tried to deliver the package to me on 6/27, but I wasn't home to sign the package. They left a notice on my door. On 6/29 morning I went to my local office to pick up the package. As soon as the post office lady handed the package to me, I felt something's wrong. The package felt extremely light. So me and my gf decided to open the package at the post office on the spot. Well, guess what? it turned out to be an EMPTY box. He literally took everything included in the package except the box, which are the phone, cables, charger, 2 cases and manuals. I was able to get a couple pics of the empty package. But that's really it. I let Swappa staff get into the situation right after I got the empty package. The buyer instantly flipped out, and tried to cut short my communication with Swappa staff. Here is what he said. All in original words.
1. "You are a liar! First you send me a broken phone now you are trying to pull this. Thank God for PayPal. They can stop people like you from running scams."
2. "PayPal forced you to refund! Don't try to act like you did it BTW. You told me to basically screw off and to complain to swappa. I have a spotless ranking here. I am a frequent buyer and seller. Why would I ruin my reputation?"
3. "PayPal says to stop communication and they will handle this scammer. I am going to go ahead and listen to them since they handle my money. I am sorry swappa has to be involved with people who try to take advantage. I am done here though."
I didn't want to argue with him since he's obviously lying about the situation. I tried to ask Swappa for help, but they didn't do much. A couple days later, Paypal defended in his favor, and refunded his money. I tried to appeal the case, but I don't expect the decision to be altered.
At this point, I really don't know what to do. I think the post office has everything on camera. Maybe I can ask for their footage of me opening the package as a proof? I also have his name, address and everything. So I think I will file a police report later. If anyone can offer some help, that'd really appreciated.
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Darn bro i been there. I went thru that with a customer at Amazon and he basically did the same thing. He got the phone and lied saying it came broken. Asked him to send back before he got refund and he sent back empty box with a can of soda. After 2 1/2 months i won my money. But took a lot of headache and lots of sending proof on my end. But the guy lied so much he didn't remember all what he said. I took so many screenshots of his lies and sent it to Amazon. They determined he was a liar and granted my money. He also was badmouthing me in my seller review saying i was a fraud. When i got my money i immediately closed the account. The guy was still trying to scam the money back lol
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ambervals6 said:
Nothing you can do. Get police involved and file in small claim court of his city. . .
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Imagine you are the police involved.
This is a story of YES to NO.
There is no proof. Maybe the 'lyer-buyer' has a paper showing that he sends the phone back.
NLBeev said:
Imagine you are the police involved.
This is a story of YES to NO.
There is no proof. Maybe the 'lyer-buyer' has a paper showing that he sends the phone back.
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He took pictures of the inside of the box at the post office I am also sure that the clerk was there to see as well when the package was opened. There is evidence and multiple witnesses.
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Totally agree. Plus, you can't rate buyers on Swappa. How is that even fair?
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Screw rating. There is double standard. Ebay is better. I personally do not sell to people with less than 25 feedbacks and it has to be 100% positive. + once I get his name and address I google him and find out who he is. If under 24 and find him suspicious I do not ship. Or I ship with cerberus installed on the device so that I can locate it all the time + on top of that I secure pin the lockscreen and ask him to first confirm via email that everything on the outside looks good then give him the lockscreen pin so he can access the phone. I believe your buyer sold it for cheap on craiglist and kept the money for himself. Only some crackhead without a real job would commit fraud and risk 2 years jail for 500$. You should had gathered evidence once you opened it at the post office. Should have called the police right there, make them file report and have your girlfriend and post office worker witness what they saw. With that you would go to court and file against your buyer. Right now you got no evidence. Just a gf whose testimony is considered biased because she is your gf.
FBI is your only chance to kick his ass. They got their internet scam division and since your buyer did this, I am sure is not his first time. So may be fbi already got an open investigation for him or you never know where it leads. Worth filing a complaint. Also notify the buyer what you did and wish him all the best once fbi gets to him. See how well he can handle that.
Here is the link http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
One last thing, gather evidence from google official website how much nexus 6 weights and print it to support your claim that the super light package you got is nowhere near what the nexus weight. There you got scientific proof that package was empty.
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He took pictures of the inside of the box at the post office I am also sure that the clerk was there to see as well when the package was opened. There is evidence and multiple witnesses.
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Read the whole story and I think he is scammed.
But give him no false hope. The police can do nothing.
He first have to claim PayPal/Swappa and when he has a message(proof) saying that PayPal/Swappa does not pay him back, just then he can tell that the phone is stolen.
Than the evidence of the empty box.
The box shouldn't been opened nor accepted.
Because it was obvious that there was nothing in it.
you have the box that has imei report it stolen they might give in and send it back then even if they don't at least you get to spite them kinda because they get no more cell service
That's also a good idea. Flag the ESN.
Dumb question but how do I report an IMEI stolen?
Your carrier and the police. They also have a website linked with checkesnfree that you can report the phone on. Most pawn shops and resellers use them to check if a phone is blacklisted.
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Dumb question but how do I report an IMEI stolen?
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First, I want to thank you for taking the time to start this thread. You've helped me, and I suspect others by sharing your unfortunate story.
After reading your OP, I suspect that I would have done exactly the same things as you. With exactly the same result.
My "take away" from your unfortunate situation is this: If ever I find myself in the situation where I have to (or decide to) refund someone's money, I will wait until I've received the device back and inspected it, before issuing the refund. I know this won't help you, but for the rest of us, it appears it's the only way to avoid your dead end.
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OK, so here we go:
Initially I sold on a 64GB White Nexus 6 on Swappa to a guy. He paid $500 and asked for overnight shipping. And I did overnight it to him. A couple days after the phone was delivered, he started to come up with a bunch of made-up complaints about the phone, which none of them I believe is true. He asked to return the device, and I rejected it. He then went ahead and opened a case/claim on Paypal saying the phone is both externally and internally damaged (what??!!). Well. I didn't want to escalated the situation so I issued him a full refund. He also agreed to overnight the phone back to me. So far so good, right? well, things went south from 0 to 100 real quick.
He first commented on Swappa saying the phone was sent back. The next day, I got the tracking # of the returned package. USPS tried to deliver the package to me on 6/27, but I wasn't home to sign the package. They left a notice on my door. On 6/29 morning I went to my local office to pick up the package. As soon as the post office lady handed the package to me, I felt something's wrong. The package felt extremely light. So me and my gf decided to open the package at the post office on the spot. Well, guess what? it turned out to be an EMPTY box. He literally took everything included in the package except the box, which are the phone, cables, charger, 2 cases and manuals. I was able to get a couple pics of the empty package. But that's really it. I let Swappa staff get into the situation right after I got the empty package. The buyer instantly flipped out, and tried to cut short my communication with Swappa staff. Here is what he said. All in original words.
1. "You are a liar! First you send me a broken phone now you are trying to pull this. Thank God for PayPal. They can stop people like you from running scams."
2. "PayPal forced you to refund! Don't try to act like you did it BTW. You told me to basically screw off and to complain to swappa. I have a spotless ranking here. I am a frequent buyer and seller. Why would I ruin my reputation?"
3. "PayPal says to stop communication and they will handle this scammer. I am going to go ahead and listen to them since they handle my money. I am sorry swappa has to be involved with people who try to take advantage. I am done here though."
I didn't want to argue with him since he's obviously lying about the situation. I tried to ask Swappa for help, but they didn't do much. A couple days later, Paypal defended in his favor, and refunded his money. I tried to appeal the case, but I don't expect the decision to be altered.
At this point, I really don't know what to do. I think the post office has everything on camera. Maybe I can ask for their footage of me opening the package as a proof? I also have his name, address and everything. So I think I will file a police report later. If anyone can offer some help, that'd really appreciated.
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Jim,
I am not being insensitive here, but posting this here is not going to help. You could have written to Swappa with your grievance and I am sure they will try and sort this out for you.
I will ask you to email Swappa with the details and see how it is best resolved.
Thanks
PG101
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Just received the phone as well as one of their tempered glass screen protectors last week. I have read other customer support stories but now I have my own to base the company on. The screen protector was cracked when I opened it, not sure how as it was packaged pretty well but it was. I opened a ticket as asked for a replacement and didn't think for a second it would be a big deal but how wrong I was. The emailed exact response is below but short story is since I opened it I can't return it. So how is anyone to know if something is broken if it's never opened? So as much as I like the phone it's going back just out of principle. I opened and RMA on the phone and explained why I was returning it in the hopes they would just send me another SP (probably costs them $5) but no, a UPS return label arrives in my inbox. So they lost me over $5. Truth be told, I have a feeling that when the Axon 7 is finally released I most like have sold the phone anyway. At least this way it only cost me the $12.95 for the SP. I don't see how any company can survive with support like this.
Hi Mark,
Good day!
Thank you for reaching out. This is Elle from OnePlus RRR (Return, Repair and Replacement) Team. I will be handling your ticket for today.
We have received your RMA request, please be advise we have cancelled it. We need to verify first if did it cracked upon arrival?
OnePlus products are made to the highest standards and undergo rigorous testing. Note that accessories MUST be in the sealed original packaging to qualify for a replacement/refund. You will need to self-ship the unopened accessories back to our warehouse and provide us the tracking number. Once we receive and inspect the items, we will process the replacement/refund to your PayPal account. You can find the details of our Return Policy at https://oneplus.net/privacy-and-legal#returnpolicy.
To proceed with the request, please provide us with clear pictures of the unopened accessories you wish to return.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Best,
Elle
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To proceed with the request, please provide us with clear pictures of the unopened accessories you wish to return.
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LOL
Why didn't you just raise a PayPal dispute instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
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Say you wish to use the?*"Warranty" and not "Return and Replacement" only the later require unopened original packaging.
Refer to the link you provided for their policies.
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Why didn't you just raise a PayPal dispute instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
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This.
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I made an order on the 26/6 where it said that stock was available, a DHL order was created on the 27/7 that stayed on Shipping information received. Contacted DHL after a few days to see where my order was and they said it was never picked up.
Contacted OnePlus Live support, where i found out they did not have stock that's why they did not proceed and was told to wait 48 hours. I did.
After 48 hours my order was still not moving, contacted them again, opened a ticket and been trying to find out where my order is, finally they said that the order was lost and after 1 week of live support and support tickets they tried to resend me the order.
After 3 days that the new order stayed in pending and avoiding my question on "when will the new order be shipped" i opened a ticket in paypal asking for my money back.
It only took them 24h to hold the new order and asking me to close the dispute and as they put it "The system will automatically unhold the order upon ending PayPal dispute. Then the order will be shipped out based on the ETD (estimated time of arrival) you saw when you placed this order."
Thanks but not thanks, after i read https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/4twljv/oneplus_three_package_has_arrive_but_without_the/ I will never trust OnePlus again.
#NEVERTRUST rather than #NeverSettle.
I post this here, maybe it will manage to save someone the time and money from dealing with OnePlus and their support deparment.
So why instead of going through all of this misery, didn't you just buy one on Swappa??? There are brand new, never used or opened, as well as lightly used, tested phones, often for the same or less money than ordering one.
I just bought one there; in fact, I have bought my last four phones there -- not a single problem with any of them. Very easy and trouble free way to get a new phone.
Wow I was thinking of buying this phone and canceling the Axon 7 since everyone says this has better performance, but after that story no thank you and the other one who essentially got robbed no thanks. Loving ZTE.
some people unfortunately have some bad luck and bad experiences, just b/c this happened to him does not mean it will happen to you, some people just dont have things go right for them, i don't think u should not get the phone off of his bad luck, that is just the way life works, somethings works for people and somethings don't, i had a great experience, i work for at&t mobility and i encounter people who do have such bad luck and we can't do anything for b/c of certain circumstances and yet for some others we can work wonders for. I think it just so crazy how life is on how somethings work out for some people and somethings just go so wrong for people. You just gotta find out what works great for u
it's strange that it was marked as "in stock" because I ordered mine on June 21th (shipping to France) and before I paid it was clearly marked that estimated shipping date was for June 30th, so 9th day later, plus 7 days for DHL shipping.
Anyway I had to go in another country for 2 weeks and sent it to my parents home.
In the end they sent it on June 27th, so 3 days ahead of estimated shipping date and DHL was long as it was told.
On your invoice, what is the "estimated dispatch date"? their stock may differ by continent but for Europe stock was already low.
Anyway you don't need to warn European buyers as it's not possible to order op3 for most European countries, until end of September I think.
This could have been the 2nd OnePlus 3 i ordered from them. The 1st one came within 3 days when they first announced it. Everything went just fine and i was pretty pleased with the phone itself.
In this case i had to go through the process with their so-called "Customer Support", which is one of worse situations I've ever been through and person after person I've talked to in order to solve this was giving me the same answer "Wait 24/48 hours more". This was going more than a week.
@Le_Zouave It said in stock that's why i continued from them and not from any other website, better of getting the product from the source - i guess. Plus, In the ticket when finally the decided that my order was not send, i asked if it would be send "NOW" proceed, if not refund me 'PLEASE', they continued with the 2nd order which stayed pending for 3 days.
@zulu657 I would have bought it from any other website that supported shipping to Cyprus - my country, but since it showed "in stock" and i my previous device came within 3 days i thought "why not".
Point here is, If everything goes as it should then you might get the products you ordered, IF anything goes wrong and you have to solve it with their Support center, then i feel bad for you.
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Read this before ordering.. [OnePlus Support horror story]
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Nah man, already bought 3 phones from this company and they're pretty chill
Mine was fine. Enough said. Scare tactics. Are you paid by a competitor?
Also got mine within 3 days. I was really surprised at how fast it was delivered. On the other hand I have been waiting for a delivery from America (I'm in Austria) for nearly a month. Sometimes the packages get held in customs and can stay there for weeks. Either way a bit of patience if all you need. No point getting all worked up over something so petty. First world problems, am I right? Lol
But still...
This phone is a beast...
Nevermind the cs. All cs are almost the same they are like robots programmed to say what they are about to say.
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@GeneralDisaray2 not paid by anyone. Just sharing my 2nd OP3 experience with all of you.
@camdadeye291 First OP3 i ordered as soon as it got announced came in 3 days, was as surprised as you. But as soon as i had to contact their support center for my 2nd order to solve my issue it all went to hell. Plus i would not call losing 500€ a 'first world problem'.
@marc_ecko28 The phone itself is one of the best i ever owned, that's why i ordered this 2nd one along with more cases.
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@GeneralDisaray2 not paid by anyone. Just sharing my 2nd OP3 experience with all of you.
@camdadeye291 First OP3 i ordered as soon as it got announced came in 3 days, was as surprised as you. But as soon as i had to contact their support center for my 2nd order to solve my issue it all went to hell. Plus i would not call losing 500€ a 'first world problem'.
@marc_ecko28 The phone itself is one of the best i ever owned, that's why i ordered this 2nd one along with more cases.
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Like I said a bit of patience is all that is needed, I'm sure it will be resolved. Still a first world problem.
For me all went smooth, even came earlier than estimated time, shipped to Croatia and in ten days after placed order I got it. No problems or anything whatsoever.
i bought total of 3 oneplus.3 never had issue. one phonr was even in my hands 2 days after payment which is insane
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genoxide said:
I made an order on the 26/6 where it said that stock was available, a DHL order was created on the 27/7 that stayed on Shipping information received. Contacted DHL after a few days to see where my order was and they said it was never picked up.
Contacted OnePlus Live support, where i found out they did not have stock that's why they did not proceed and was told to wait 48 hours. I did.
After 48 hours my order was still not moving, contacted them again, opened a ticket and been trying to find out where my order is, finally they said that the order was lost and after 1 week of live support and support tickets they tried to resend me the order.
After 3 days that the new order stayed in pending and avoiding my question on "when will the new order be shipped" i opened a ticket in paypal asking for my money back.
It only took them 24h to hold the new order and asking me to close the dispute and as they put it "The system will automatically unhold the order upon ending PayPal dispute. Then the order will be shipped out based on the ETD (estimated time of arrival) you saw when you placed this order."
Thanks but not thanks, after i read https://www.reddit.com/r/oneplus/comments/4twljv/oneplus_three_package_has_arrive_but_without_the/ I will never trust OnePlus again.
#NEVERTRUST rather than #NeverSettle.
I post this here, maybe it will manage to save someone the time and money from dealing with OnePlus and their support deparment.
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At first, my phone took longer than stated but I didn't logon to XDA and write a negative review about the situation. Nothing is guaranteed in life except taxes and death! Stuff you order on Amazon Prime - not guaranteed to get to you the next day. The game you purchased from GameStop or Best Buy - not guaranteed to get to you by the stated time and date. The phone you bought from OnePlus - not guaranteed to get to you by the date and time given. I think you missed the part where OnePlus halted sales of the OnePlus 3 due them not being able to meet demand - due to the devices popularity? Guys, please don't be phased by this account of "bad luck". What happened to this guys is not guaranteed to happen to you.
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speedyjay said:
At first, my phone took longer than stated but I didn't logon to XDA and write a negative review about the situation. Nothing is guaranteed in life except taxes and death! Stuff you order on Amazon Prime - not guaranteed to get to you the next day. The game you purchased from GameStop or Best Buy - not guaranteed to get to you by the stated time and date. The phone you bought from OnePlus - not guaranteed to get to you by the date and time given. I think you missed the part where OnePlus halted sales of the OnePlus 3 due them not being able to meet demand - due to the devices popularity? Guys, please don't be phased by this account of "bad luck". What happened to this guys is not guaranteed to happen to you.
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The phone did not take longer, it never came since the 26/7. Actually, it was never packed but they just created a DHL ticket for pickup and that's it. I did not post this to inform people about OnePlus' lack of stock, but to share my experience with their Support deparment.
I had delays with products that i ordered from the Internet, but as soon as i contacted the company they handled it, like any company that respects their customers would. OnePlus support did not.
What i saw from their support department is keep the customer waiting. At least that what they showed me. It was not with 1 guy of their support, but with most of them, only 2 guys that i spoke with in live support actually came clear and i respect that.
The order was made before OnePlus came out in public and halt the sales, but that again plays no role as again I'm saying that my issue is not with their lack of stock, but with their lack of support and respect for their customers.
Was it bad luck? Yes. Will this happen to anyone else? Hope not. But in the case it happens and you need to contact their customer support, I feel bad for you.
genoxide said:
The phone did not take longer, it never came since the 26/7. Actually, it was never packed but they just created a DHL ticket for pickup and that's it. I did not post this to inform people about OnePlus' lack of stock, but to share my experience with their Support deparment.
I had delays with products that i ordered from the Internet, but as soon as i contacted the company they handled it, like any company that respects their customers would. OnePlus support did not.
What i saw from their support department is keep the customer waiting. At least that what they showed me. It was not with 1 guy of their support, but with most of them, only 2 guys that i spoke with in live support actually came clear and i respect that.
The order was made before OnePlus came out in public and halt the sales, but that again plays no role as again I'm saying that my issue is not with their lack of stock, but with their lack of support and respect for their customers.
Was it bad luck? Yes. Will this happen to anyone else? Hope not. But in the case it happens and you need to contact their customer support, I feel bad for you.
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Nope. I opened a case with Paypal for a refund 4 days ago.
I still wouldn't go as far as to say that this is appalling service. It's just a classic case of bad luck. Not every company has made their millions abiding by the book. If companies didn't make mistakes, they'd definitely be something wrong.
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I would like to explain about a situation that I had to go through with OnePlus customer service.
I got my new OnePlus 7 Pro around 3pm today. I excitedly opened the box and turned the phone on. I looked it over and saw something on the back. "What is that?" I thought. Inspecting it closer, I saw a ripple in the plastic foil that adheres to the glass back and gives the shimmery look. It wasn't a huge deal, but still a flaw, and I should have a flawless phone after shelling out 750 dollars.
Ok, I'll contact support.
I called them and spoke with someone that I suspect was in China. She stated that she was sorry for the inconvenience, but I could submit an RMA. Since it was within the 15 days, I should get an email soon with the shipping label and info. The whole process could take a couple of weeks though....sucks but ok, I should get the flawless device I paid for.
About 2 hours later I got an email from Acer whom I guess handles OnePlus's returns. There was not a shipping label. I figured I would contact chat support, surely they just forgot to attach the label.
Well over 45 mins later, they finally decipher what I'm asking for and tell me that OnePlus isn't going to pay for shipping back to them. What? Surely a mistake, right? They delivered a flawed product.
I decided to call. I either got the same exact lady that I had earlier when I called, or they all use the same name, I dont know. Anyways, I explained the situation, and again she assured me that I would not have to pay shipping back to them. She asked me to wait on hold and she would see what the deal is. Welp, 20 mins later she comes back on and says "we are sorry sir but because there is nothing wrong with the OTG cable, you will have to pay for shipping back to us." Ok what the heck, this is about a phone lady, I again gave her my info and she apologized and asked me to wait on hold. Another 15 mins later and she came back on and said, and I quote "I am so sorry sir, but Acer will not pay for shipping back to their service center." I'm like what, I'm talking to OnePlus, this is a OnePlus phone, I want them to pay for shipping back since they delivered a flawed product. "I'm sorry sir, Acer is who handles the returns and they will not pay."
So I asked her to change my RMA to a return instead of exchange. I'll be footing the bill to send the phone back and will never consider another OnePlus product again.
I'm posting this for those on the fence. Just know that if you ever have problems their customer service is a joke. Thank God I was within the 15 day window. The main reason I asked for them to change to a return instead of exchange was the whole time I was thinking....I'm within the window of return and this is how they treat me? What if the ffc goes out? The screen? I dont want to go through it again. Hope this info helps out others. Im sorry I don't get to be a part of this community. I could tell it was going to be a good one. Take care.
JLine05 said:
I would like to explain about a situation that I had to go through with OnePlus customer service.
I got my new OnePlus 7 Pro around 3pm today. I excitedly opened the box and turned the phone on. I looked it over and saw something on the back. "What is that?" I thought. Inspecting it closer, I saw a ripple in the plastic foil that adheres to the glass back and gives the shimmery look. It wasn't a huge deal, but still a flaw, and I should have a flawless phone after shelling out 750 dollars.
Ok, I'll contact support.
I called them and spoke with someone that I suspect was in China. She stated that she was sorry for the inconvenience, but I could submit an RMA. Since it was within the 15 days, I should get an email soon with the shipping label and info. The whole process could take a couple of weeks though....sucks but ok, I should get the flawless device I paid for.
About 2 hours later I got an email from Acer whom I guess handles OnePlus's returns. There was not a shipping label. I figured I would contact chat support, surely they just forgot to attach the label.
Well over 45 mins later, they finally decipher what I'm asking for and tell me that OnePlus isn't going to pay for shipping back to them. What? Surely a mistake, right? They delivered a flawed product.
I decided to call. I either got the same exact lady that I had earlier when I called, or they all use the same name, I dont know. Anyways, I explained the situation, and again she assured me that I would not have to pay shipping back to them. She asked me to wait on hold and she would see what the deal is. Welp, 20 mins later she comes back on and says "we are sorry sir but because there is nothing wrong with the OTG cable, you will have to pay for shipping back to us." Ok what the heck, this is about a phone lady, I again gave her my info and she apologized and asked me to wait on hold. Another 15 mins later and she came back on and said, and I quote "I am so sorry sir, but Acer will not pay for shipping back to their service center." I'm like what, I'm talking to OnePlus, this is a OnePlus phone, I want them to pay for shipping back since they delivered a flawed product. "I'm sorry sir, Acer is who handles the returns and they will not pay."
So I asked her to change my RMA to a return instead of exchange. I'll be footing the bill to send the phone back and will never consider another OnePlus product again.
I'm posting this for those on the fence. Just know that if you ever have problems their customer service is a joke. Thank God I was within the 15 day window. The main reason I asked for them to change to a return instead of exchange was the whole time I was thinking....I'm within the window of return and this is how they treat me? What if the ffc goes out? The screen? I dont want to go through it again. Hope this info helps out others. Im sorry I don't get to be a part of this community. I could tell it was going to be a good one. Take care.
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Do you have any pics? I would also be ticked off.
I would be upset too, but Apple and Samsung are going to have the same customer service too.
OnePlus stopped paying for return shipping couple of years ago.. if you have paid with PayPal, going can claim the return shipping with PayPal...
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Do you have any pics? I would also be ticked off.
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Now that I've cooled off, I'm weighing keeping it. On one hand I'm scared of dealing with support if anything mechanically malfunctions with the phone. On the other hand, I've been using Samsung for 8 years straight, and I miss having root and flashing roms.
I'm going to leave the first post the same though, because I think the frustration is warranted and others may be interested to know what it's like dealing with them.
I attached a picture of the defect, its incredibly minor....I wasn't sure that I was even going to contact them in the first place. But I kept saying man, you paid 750 for a new phone it should be without flaws...
I don't know, I'll see how I feel tomorrow.
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I would be upset too, but Apple and Samsung are going to have the same customer service too.
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Apple has stores you could take the phone and swap it, but I've never dealt with them.
I've dealt with Samsung for their appliances a few times and never had anything this bad. It's hard to even convey in writing how frustrating those several hours dealing with them were. That last call with the lady who mentioned the otg cable was maddening. That 45 minutes was seriously a total waste of time.
JLine05 said:
I would like to explain about a situation that I had to go through with OnePlus customer service.
I got my new OnePlus 7 Pro around 3pm today. I excitedly opened the box and turned the phone on. I looked it over and saw something on the back. "What is that?" I thought. Inspecting it closer, I saw a ripple in the plastic foil that adheres to the glass back and gives the shimmery look. It wasn't a huge deal, but still a flaw, and I should have a flawless phone after shelling out 750 dollars.
Ok, I'll contact support.
I called them and spoke with someone that I suspect was in China. She stated that she was sorry for the inconvenience, but I could submit an RMA. Since it was within the 15 days, I should get an email soon with the shipping label and info. The whole process could take a couple of weeks though....sucks but ok, I should get the flawless device I paid for.
About 2 hours later I got an email from Acer whom I guess handles OnePlus's returns. There was not a shipping label. I figured I would contact chat support, surely they just forgot to attach the label.
Well over 45 mins later, they finally decipher what I'm asking for and tell me that OnePlus isn't going to pay for shipping back to them. What? Surely a mistake, right? They delivered a flawed product.
I decided to call. I either got the same exact lady that I had earlier when I called, or they all use the same name, I dont know. Anyways, I explained the situation, and again she assured me that I would not have to pay shipping back to them. She asked me to wait on hold and she would see what the deal is. Welp, 20 mins later she comes back on and says "we are sorry sir but because there is nothing wrong with the OTG cable, you will have to pay for shipping back to us." Ok what the heck, this is about a phone lady, I again gave her my info and she apologized and asked me to wait on hold. Another 15 mins later and she came back on and said, and I quote "I am so sorry sir, but Acer will not pay for shipping back to their service center." I'm like what, I'm talking to OnePlus, this is a OnePlus phone, I want them to pay for shipping back since they delivered a flawed product. "I'm sorry sir, Acer is who handles the returns and they will not pay."
So I asked her to change my RMA to a return instead of exchange. I'll be footing the bill to send the phone back and will never consider another OnePlus product again.
I'm posting this for those on the fence. Just know that if you ever have problems their customer service is a joke. Thank God I was within the 15 day window. The main reason I asked for them to change to a return instead of exchange was the whole time I was thinking....I'm within the window of return and this is how they treat me? What if the ffc goes out? The screen? I dont want to go through it again. Hope this info helps out others. Im sorry I don't get to be a part of this community. I could tell it was going to be a good one. Take care.
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Now that I've cooled off, I'm weighing keeping it. On one hand I'm scared of dealing with support if anything mechanically malfunctions with the phone. On the other hand, I've been using Samsung for 8 years straight, and I miss having root and flashing roms.
I'm going to leave the first post the same though, because I think the frustration is warranted and others may be interested to know what it's like dealing with them.
I attached a picture of the defect, its incredibly minor....I wasn't sure that I was even going to contact them in the first place. But I kept saying man, you paid 750 for a new phone it should be without flaws...
I don't know, I'll see how I feel tomorrow.
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I cant believe they dont pay return shipping for something that is clearly a defect. I've returned things to Samsung and given a return label hassle free.
Why did you phone, you should have used the site :
https://www.oneplus.com/uk/support/contact?from=foot
I'm pretty sure the chat agents are in OnePlus and would be much more accommodating.
The most recommended RMA process is to raise a support ticket, then make a post on the OnePlus forum and mention one of the mods who can have someone look at it for you, if it's especially egregious like this issue is then you should get a satisfactory outcome using that method.
Also the reason why buying it from a store is usually better, you can then just take it straight back to that store. Online sales are always inherently more difficult for support.
Hey, man. sorry about your experience. I'm the same way with regards to wanting a flawless device. If there isn't a restocking fee, i would just say to return and buy another one (if theyre unwilling to RMA). It's lame to have to pay return shipping, but this way you can at least save your "RMA karma" for if you really need it. Either way, if you're not happy with it, don't just settle...no pun intended lol
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Now that I've cooled off, I'm weighing keeping it. On one hand I'm scared of dealing with support if anything mechanically malfunctions with the phone. On the other hand, I've been using Samsung for 8 years straight, and I miss having root and flashing roms.
I'm going to leave the first post the same though, because I think the frustration is warranted and others may be interested to know what it's like dealing with them.
I attached a picture of the defect, its incredibly minor....I wasn't sure that I was even going to contact them in the first place. But I kept saying man, you paid 750 for a new phone it should be without flaws...
I don't know, I'll see how I feel tomorrow.
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Why did you phone, you should have used the site :
https://www.oneplus.com/uk/support/contact?from=foot
I'm pretty sure the chat agents are in OnePlus and would be much more accommodating.
The most recommended RMA process is to raise a support ticket, then make a post on the OnePlus forum and mention one of the mods who can have someone look at it for you, if it's especially egregious like this issue is then you should get a satisfactory outcome using that method.
Also the reason why buying it from a store is usually better, you can then just take it straight back to that store. Online sales are always inherently more difficult for support.
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Using that link in USA redirects you to the site I used. Also, the reps I spoke with were OnePlus reps (though not very good ones).
And we cannot purchase from a store here unless we are Tmobile customers. Tmobile requires you to sign up for service if you buy the phone from them.
As far as the method you mentioned about visiting the forums, you may have a point there, but how is that to be known by a new customer? I think it's a good contribution for other users that may be looking this topic up later, so I appreciate it!
I am located in Germany so my experience would probably differ and I don't know what other options and resellers there are in the US.
However, I have ordered my phone to Amazon and there the shipping date is may 31st from the beginning. I know I will have to wait longer, but I just love their service. 30 day return period and I only have to deal with them once there is something wrong with the device. I have been reading horrible stories about oneplus customer support and your case would upset me as well. I honestly wouldn't keep it after spending that much money and send it back. (I will would still get a new one). Being forced to pay anything extra is outrages though.
Luckily, I never had to do any rma with my older oneplus phones yet and I am getting a new one every year. Still, I will stick with Amazon, just in case.
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Using that link in USA redirects you to the site I used. Also, the reps I spoke with were OnePlus reps (though not very good ones).
And we cannot purchase from a store here unless we are Tmobile customers. Tmobile requires you to sign up for service if you buy the phone from them.
As far as the method you mentioned about visiting the forums, you may have a point there, but how is that to be known by a new customer? I think it's a good contribution for other users that may be looking this topic up later, so I appreciate it!
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No problem, hope you get a satisfactory outcome and sorry your first experience with OnePlus has been soured like this.
Thanks everyone. I've decided that I am going to send it back. I may buy another one, I haven't quite decided that yet. I wish Amazon US had it
Bradl79 said:
I would be upset too, but Apple and Samsung are going to have the same customer service too.
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I had a great experience with Samsung with my wife's phone. Phone was still under warranty and they took care of it right away. They paid shipping both ways and got the new phone in less than 8 days. I have not had any experience with OnePLus customer service but I am not surprised with the experience OP had. I have OP6 and thankfully it runs flawless. When I purchased OP6, it was at least $200 cheaper than comparable flagship phones from well-known manufacturers. In order to sell quality phones at a razor thin margins, usually they cut corners with customer service/after-sales service. I hope OP gets the refund in a timely fashion.
I was being sarcastic, With customer service it's all one of the same though, one person can have a great experience and others not so much like this poor fellow, I used to work for att customer relations and heard horror stories similar to this and some worse, also heard great things for both Samsung, crApple, LG and some not so good. It is really in all who u get, if ur not happy just hang up and move on, BC it could be that person's manager or team lead who does not want to do anything for anyone, there were some like me who would try to help as much as possible, again it comes down to the manager, team leader, call center manager or above. I hope u can get it resolved to ur satisfaction. Just RMA it
I'm in the UK, had to send back a OnePlus 5. Free shipping, got it back within 4 days. Think it went to the Czech Republic. Was about a year ago.
Sound awful your experience though