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Turned out most of the folks who responded to this thread were trolls who didn't read the OP anyways, so I've deleted it. If you want to see the original message, it was quoted many, many times (bummer I didn't add any photos). Since my entire point was to try to calm nerves and direct anger away from XDA, I'm deleting my OP. As of now, I'm giving this thread to the trolls. Enjoy.
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Relatively good idea but ineffective. Reason? Google don't/won't give a damn anyway. They simply don't care and buying from another store won't make the slightest bit of difference.
What will make a difference is: Noise. And lots of it.
The only thing I think will work is if everyone who is irritated by the fact that their pre-orders are going to arrive AFTER retail stores stock and sell this device starts getting VERY noisy about it on Google+, facebook, anywhere where there is a community. Google+ would be ideal - there's already noise on there about this farce.
So it is ridiculous that a company can so blatantly alienate it's pre-order (and therefore most likely loyal and fervent) customers who would most likely evangelise about Google, it's services and products. It's the very definition of dumb and the sad truth is that they genuinely don't give a damn. They don't care at all.
I'm very tempted to simply cancel my order because if they don't care enough to organise things so that pre-order customers get their orders first then thank you very much but see you later. It's not a premium tablet and yet, I very much have a case of sour grapes going on here as I'm sure others here can relate too. It doesn't bode well for the ego in me to see that some others have ordered on other websites AND had their devices DELIVERED before Google themselves can even get their ass into gear and organise delivery for their loyal pre-order customer. I have to say - pre-ordering this product at such an early stage is/was genuinely an act of faith in that lots of us who did so didn't have all that much info to go on as to whether this product was any good. It seems that Google, like virtually EVERY other company out there simply doesn't believe or operate with the belief that treating customers well is good business sense - and why should they. They get by just fine without our tablet purchases from them thank you very much. I've invested a lot of time in Google's products and services. I'm a self-confessed, labelled "geek" and believe me - this has me pissed off enough to move to other services, and as the elder-geek in my circle of friends and family, I'd take them with me slowly but surely. Sour grapes indeed.
So: A: Google simply don't care
B: Make some noise!
alsheron said:
Relatively good idea but ineffective. Reason? Google don't/won't give a damn anyway. They simply don't care and buying from another store won't make the slightest bit of difference.
What will make a difference is: Noise. And lots of it.
The only thing I think will work is if everyone who is irritated by the fact that their pre-orders are going to arrive AFTER retail stores stock and sell this device starts getting VERY noisy about it on Google+, facebook, anywhere where there is a community. Google+ would be ideal - there's already noise on there about this farce.
So it is ridiculous that a company can so blatantly alienate it's pre-order (and therefore most likely loyal and fervent) customers who would most likely evangelise about Google, it's services and products. It's the very definition of dumb and the sad truth is that they genuinely don't give a damn. They don't care at all.
I'm very tempted to simply cancel my order because if they don't care enough to organise things so that pre-order customers get their orders first then thank you very much but see you later. It's not a premium tablet and yet, I very much have a case of sour grapes going on here as I'm sure others here can relate too. It doesn't bode well for the ego in me to see that some others have ordered on other websites AND had their devices DELIVERED before Google themselves can even get their ass into gear and organise delivery for their loyal pre-order customer. I have to say - pre-ordering this product at such an early stage is/was genuinely an act of faith in that lots of us who did so didn't have all that much info to go on as to whether this product was any good. It seems that Google, like virtually EVERY other company out there simply doesn't believe or operate with the belief that treating customers well is good business sense - and why should they. They get by just fine without our tablet purchases from them thank you very much. I've invested a lot of time in Google's products and services. I'm a self-confessed, labelled "geek" and believe me - this has me pissed off enough to move to other services, and as the elder-geek in my circle of friends and family, I'd take them with me slowly but surely. Sour grapes indeed.
So: A: Google simply don't care
B: Make some noise!
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Might I suggest reading the whole message before you start typing a reply next time?
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noble effort, but i really dont think even the slew of pissed off people on here would make a dent.
plus, those other app stores suck.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a bit pissed about the whole shipping thing... but this is the first time google had ever pissed me off and I'm a long timer user.
A few days isn't going to make that big of a difference.
Except that we do get the best warranty coverage since we bought from the Play Store. Google is going to handle our warranty stuff instead of Asus, they will ship a new one out before as soon as we say something is wrong. And pay the shipping for our broken tablet to be shipped to them.
And while this might be slightly annoying, Google is and awesome company that I use every single day.
If you want to really protest do the following:
Step 1: Switch to HotMail.
Step 2: Change your Search Engine to Bing or Yahoo.
Step 3: Sell your Android Smart Phone and Tablet to buy an iPhone, have a ton of fun loading your awesome custom Rom's onto it.
agreed, while i am mad stores have them first, let's all take a deep breathe and relax here. I got my shipping emal saturday morning so i will have my device on Tuesday, i am happy and it and looking forward to my tasty treat!
What fiasco? Google started shipping when they said they would.
Get over yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b7mwTK564o&feature=player_detailpage#t=88s
I've decided to be positive and think that it's a blessing in disguise...perhaps the early adopters will sort out issues for us so that we don't have to....
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The delay isn't what bothers me. What has annoyed me is their handling of cancelling the order. It hadn't even been shipped and they were refusing to give a refund or stop the shipment. Ridiculous.
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The most effective protests are the ones that require minimal effort. Occupy would have been effective if everyone who agreed with the ideology could afford to spend a few weeks camping in a park. The Tea Party would have been effective if everyone who agreed could afford... um... high school? You get my point.
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That Tea Party line made me completely lol! Hilarious.
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Might I suggest reading the whole message before you start typing a reply next time?
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Might I suggest a less condescending attitude. There is nothing in my message that indicates that I didn't read your initial post.
Morning! Still aint got ****. I preordered 7/2. Got charged on 7/13 though.
I think those "kids", yes i said it, have never dealt with a mass distribution like this on a grand scale. They're geeks, what do they really know about the production line. All it would've took for those geniuses to make a ****ing priority list and ship preorders first, then ship to retailers, instead of giving them stock and say, "hey, don't sell it yet". How hard is that?
Its simple yet so hard for one person to realize that over there? Im with the OP. Where's the loyalty???
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I SO AGREE with what your saying in op post. except we here on xda is a minority compared to all the android tablet users . There are not really enough of us to make a stand with the whole no buy from market thing. Nor do i think its fair. Google is really setup to sell or distribute hardware.Asus has been a mess for the past years and getting worse. I have a asus netbook that has a issue with the camera. The repair facility is 4 miles from my house. I had to mail the thing to them using UPS. THEN WAIT for them to repair it mail it to there shipping facility in chicago. 5 hours away and then ship it to me.. TRUE STORY.
SO with that all said this is a Android tablet (Kinda a TOY) .we will all get thru this launch shipping mess .We will be happy before you know it.. Lets just hope that asus has not messed up the build quality we would expect from google.
Good luck alll
You must live on youtube... look around ...
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What fiasco? Google started shipping when they said they would.
Get over yourself.
... there are plenty of people who pre-ordered, and haven't heard "squat" about shipping or order completion.
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I don't think it's fair to punish a mistake, as long as they acknowledge the mistake and apologize. I don't really believe in revenge. Google has been good as a company and doesn't warrant punishment in the form of boycotting the apps from their store in my opinion. It sucks though and really Hope that they straighten this out with an apology of some sort. Regardless, i don't think I'd preorder from Google again unless i have confidence that they'll learn from this fiasco.
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Refuse shipment. Buy from someone who isn't Google or wait for the next hot thing. With all the screen issues and other QA issues, it's just waiting to receive your broken tablet and mail it back to them anyway. Refuse delivery, ship it back on their dime and buy it from a store where you can check the unit before you leave. Screw Google, screw their poor customer service and screw their Play Store.
I was tempted to cancel before but if you really wanted to stop your google from processing, refusing shipment, restocking fee, you can simply freeze ur cc or req a new card and new #. Why is that so difficult? U can also tell ur cc company its fraud, and they won't allow it to go through. BofA called me and I approved the charge.
Do it! Wake up
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Also to be fair, it's not entirely Google's fault. If everyone did a told, this wouldn't have happened. There are more than one factor than Google messed up. And I'm not going to say "screw Google"when they brought us Android!
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I purchased 2 Nexus 7's, one for myself and one for my father. My father's tablet has screen separation and he is afraid to exchange it. My tablet had a chipped bezel. I exchanged the tablet for a string of 6 defective Nexus 7's all with light bleed and dead pixels. Today, I called to process my RMA and the supervisor Cameron, told me that they will not process any more RMAs on my account and to please mail back my units.
I just want to inform anybody who is in the RMA process that Google will pull this move on you. I have been nothing but courteous to the reps, I have been patient with the RMA process and Google has written me off as a customer. I am sure some people are satisfied with their Nexus 7's, however that is not the point of my post. It is to inform potential customers of the systemic quality issues plaguing this product and Google's unwillingness to rectify the issue.
BBB complaint to follow. Also, everybody please visit Google Co-Founder Sergey Brin's Google+ page and send him an email detailing your experience with your Nexus 7:
https://plus.google.com/109813896768294978296/posts
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I purchased 2 Nexus 7's, one for myself and one for my father. My father's tablet has screen separation and he is afraid to exchange it. My tablet had a chipped bezel. I exchanged the tablet for a string of 6 defective Nexus 7's all with light bleed and dead pixels. Today, I called to process my RMA and the supervisor Cameron, told me that they will not process any more RMAs on my account and to please mail back my units.
I just want to inform anybody who is in the RMA process that Google will pull this move on you. I have been nothing but courteous to the reps, I have been patient with the RMA process and Google has written me off as a customer. I am sure some people are satisfied with their Nexus 7's, however that is not the point of my post. It is to inform potential customers of the systemic quality issues plaguing this product and Google's unwillingness to rectify the issue.
BBB complaint to follow. Also, everybody please visit Google Co-Founder Sergey Brin's Google+ page and send him an email detailing your experience with your Nexus 7:
https://plus.google.com/109813896768294978296/posts
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Good to know, but as long as they offer a full refund I see no problem with this.
I gave up on replacements and asked for a refund after my third unit, so don't mistake my tone. It just seems like a reasonable way to cut their losses.
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I purchased 2 Nexus 7's, one for myself and one for my father. My father's tablet has screen separation and he is afraid to exchange it. My tablet had a chipped bezel. I exchanged the tablet for a string of 6 defective Nexus 7's all with light bleed and dead pixels. Today, I called to process my RMA and the supervisor Cameron, told me that they will not process any more RMAs on my account and to please mail back my units.
I just want to inform anybody who is in the RMA process that Google will pull this move on you. I have been nothing but courteous to the reps, I have been patient with the RMA process and Google has written me off as a customer. I am sure some people are satisfied with their Nexus 7's, however that is not the point of my post. It is to inform potential customers of the systemic quality issues plaguing this product and Google's unwillingness to rectify the issue.
BBB complaint to follow. Also, everybody please visit Google Co-Founder Sergey Brin's Google+ page and send him an email detailing your experience with your Nexus 7:
https://plus.google.com/109813896768294978296/posts
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That really sucks. You were trying their product, and you obviously liked it and wanted a good one.
Google is really pushing away some of us customers with this fiasco.
I think it's amazing you got 7 different nexuses (nexi?) with no questions asked. Perhaps they think you are too hard too please so they are giving up. Some people get multiple devices and are content with them because they have no issues, you got 7 and saw issues with all of them. Luck of the draw I guess. The odds are crazy that you got that many messed up ones. How many other companies would easily do 7 replacements.
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I think it's amazing you got 7 different nexuses (nexi?) with no questions asked. Perhaps they think you are too hard too please so they are giving up. Some people get multiple devices and are content with them because they have no issues, you got 7 and saw issues with all of them. Luck of the draw I guess. The odds are crazy that you got that many messed up ones. How many other companies would easily do 7 replacements.
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Well, and this is not a rant. I was very patient and offered them options such as running a quality assurance on a tablet prior to shipping or even repairing any of my tablets by replacing the LCD. They continuously told me that they'd contact me and never did and even getting RMAs was difficult as near the end they kept "Misplacing my CSSN". They really have been playing games and I was a huge fan of Google. Disappointing.
I knew this OP looked familiar. This is the same person that trashed Google when he didn't get his N7 pre order on launch day. It is also the same person that told others to refuse their shipments and called Google demanding a free case and free shipping because he didn't get his N7 fast enough. Now he claims he got 7 defective N7's.
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just lou said:
I knew this OP looked familiar. This is the same person that trashed Google when he didn't get his N7 pre order on launch day. It is also the same person that told others to refuse their shipments and called Google demanding a free case and free shipping because he didn't get his N7 fast enough. Now he claims he got 7 defective N7's.
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Good memory! I ended up accepting the tablets because one was a gift for my father and they were sold out everywhere and it's difficult to take a gift back after it's been promised. However, while it's clever that you're trying to attack my character and mitigate my experience, each instance is unrelated, though caused by the same issue, which is Google's treatment of their customers.
I'm surprised this is the first time I've heard this. But I think Google is being completely reasonable by cutting off people with excessive RMAs. Obviously after 6 or 7 returns on a device they aren't making money off of already, they are deep in the hole with you as a customer and will never make it back on whatever apps and content you might have purchased.
I agree it sucks that the device isn't perfect. But 6 RMA in a month, too much. Maybe after the 2nd or 3rd RMA you should have stopped, lived with the raised glass or whatever, and given ASUS more time to address their manufacturing process, then try another RMA later. That is what I'm doing anyway, I had my 2 RMAs in July, still not completely happy, but it's usable and I'm just patiently waiting for things to get better (sounds like we are almost there).
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Good memory! I ended up accepting the tablets because one was a gift for my father and they were sold out everywhere and it's difficult to take a gift back after it's been promised. However, while it's clever that you're trying to attack my character and mitigate my experience, each instance is unrelated, though caused by the same issue, which is Google's treatment of their customers.
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Your posting history and claims speak for themselves. Nuff said.
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just lou said:
I knew this OP looked familiar. This is the same person that trashed Google when he didn't get his N7 pre order on launch day. It is also the same person that told others to refuse their shipments and called Google demanding a free case and free shipping because he didn't get his N7 fast enough. Now he claims he got 7 defective N7's.
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Imagine if he cashed in on all 7 google play 25$ GC, thats 175!
I'd have cut you off at three. I think most people who have experiences running or managing businesses would say the same. At some point, you have to cut the losses. i cant see why youre surprised, youre lucky as hell to have gotten 7 without being billed for google's time and effort in my opinion. But with googles resources i can understand them being so generous.
Just lou said nothing about it being related, he was just pointing out the kind of attitude and the outlook you so often have. He only stated the facts in his post and wasn't just throwing around rumors or opinions.
I'm really sorry that you got a defective Nexus 7. I understand you being upset with google about a defective product. But it makes no sense that you've had a company send you 7 devices, not charge you anything extra, and offer you a full refund when you still weren't happy, and you have a snotty attitude. It just screams of entitlement.
You're entitled to use your own money and go buy another device, or use a typewriter. Entitled to a dozen devices, and google paying for all of the labor it takes to send you those, do the paperwork, legwork, shipping, and any other costs, just because you aren't happy with the first one or a full refund, in my opinion you certainly are not.
I think in the case of 7 accepted RMA's, it should be the shareholders getting onto google, not you complaining about them.
There are plenty of people on the XDA who have exchanged several, five or more Nexus 7's for similar reasons. I don't think it's that surprising that bum products are exchanged. But you're entitled to your opinions.
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I knew this OP looked familiar. This is the same person that trashed Google when he didn't get his N7 pre order on launch day. It is also the same person that told others to refuse their shipments and called Google demanding a free case and free shipping because he didn't get his N7 fast enough. Now he claims he got 7 defective N7's.
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I'd have cut you off at three. I think most people who have experiences running or managing businesses would say the same. At some point, you have to cut the losses. i cant see why youre surprised, youre lucky as hell to have gotten 7 without being billed for google's time and effort in my opinion. But with googles resources i can understand them being so generous.
Just lou said nothing about it being related, he was just pointing out the kind of attitude and the outlook you so often have. He only stated the facts in his post and wasn't just throwing around rumors or opinions.
I'm really sorry that you got a defective Nexus 7. I understand you being upset with google about a defective product. But it makes no sense that you've had a company send you 7 devices, not charge you anything extra, and offer you a full refund when you still weren't happy, and you have a snotty attitude. It just screams of entitlement.
You're entitled to use your own money and go buy another device, or use a typewriter. Entitled to a dozen devices, and google paying for all of the labor it takes to send you those, do the paperwork, legwork, shipping, and any other costs, just because you aren't happy with the first one or a full refund, in my opinion you certainly are not.
I think in the case of 7 accepted RMA's, it should be the shareholders getting onto google, not you complaining about them.
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just lou said:
I knew this OP looked familiar. This is the same person that trashed Google when he didn't get his N7 pre order on launch day. It is also the same person that told others to refuse their shipments and called Google demanding a free case and free shipping because he didn't get his N7 fast enough. Now he claims he got 7 defective N7's.
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Your posting history and claims speak for themselves. Nuff said.
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Although demanding a free case as reparations is a bit silly, I cancelled my pre-order on what turned out to be the final day the Play store was accepting cancellations. Since that allowed me to pick one up on Friday the 13th, the week before anyone in America received their Google Play pre-order, I was very lucky to have been able to cancel. I also saved $20 -- more than shipping -- because I got it discounted from Sam's.
If I had been told that it was too late to cancel, then forced to wait a week and charged $20 extra, I would have been angry too. I probably wouldn't have done anything about it, unlike the OP, but according to you my complaining about it here would have gone some way towards discrediting me and my experience with faulty units. You would think I was just lashing out.
His and my experiences aren't so different. I received three units with screen lift, and before each replacement I called and talked to Google about what amount of screen lift was considered normal. Both times I was advised to exchange. The reason I asked for a refund on my third unit was that I don't need the tablet so badly that I cannot wait for a hardware revision, and this fault could potentially worsen over time. Three in a row and it seemed illogical to try again, so now I'm waiting it out.
The only differences between Anakin's experience and my own are that I called to cancel my pre-order a day or two earlier, and I stopped at three.
Do you think that I'm lying as well?
I can certainly understand Nexus 7 deciding to shut you down after 7 RMA's. Settle up and part ways. You may not like it, but Google has already spent a lot of money sending tablets via UPS/Fedex back and forth in an effort to please you. They have decided that they cannot. Well within their rights to do so, Google is a private business and can choose not to do business with anyone for any reason so long as that reason is not discrimination against a protected class. Put yourself in Google's shoes. If you sent a person 7 brand new in box units and that person found a reason to reject every one of them, what do you think the odds are that the customer will accept the 8th?
I just wanted to make sure I didn't convey the wrong message. I applaud google for replacing the units like they do. But after 7 RMA's, I don't at all blame them for cutting him off, I think it's very reasonable.
pxlitup, I'm familiar with your posts. You post with intelligence and offer up a lot of valuable information, so please don't think I'm lumping any users together.
True. 7 Nexus is excessive. I'm not saying Google has the best CS in the world but try rma-ing 7 times with any other company I bet you most would have giving up on the OP by the 3rd unit.
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Dude you are just a troll judging from all your posts. Come on you got 7 Nexus 7's in a month. Asus must have the best customer service on the planet. I don't think Apple would do that.
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When we had customers that just simply had issues non stop its better to break off from that customer. The time and resource usually from fixinng non broken items was to much time wasted
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Asus has nothing to do with it. When you buy through Google, they handle exchanges. But, you already bought through the Play Store and are posting your opinion which is based on your personal experience, I'm sure.
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Dude you are just a troll judging from all your posts. Come on you got 7 Nexus 7's in a month. Asus must have the best customer service on the planet. I don't think Apple would do that.
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Asus has nothing to do with it. When you buy through Google, they handle exchanges. But, you already bought through the Play Store and are posting your opinion which is based on your personal experience, I'm sure.
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I bought mine through the play store.. It had screen lift and quite a creak.
The creak I fixed with a 2"x1/4" piece of paper, and the screen lift I fixed with a hardcover copy of the OED and about two days of patience.. ALL of this I did without voiding my warranty or wasting an RMA ticket.
After 7RMA's, you need to take the refund and either wait until they hammer out the manufacturing process, or just buy something else. The fact that you feel ASUS/Google is actually in the wrong for cutting you off after your sixth RMA speaks fathoms about you. #JustSaying
Dear all
I know that what you are going through is unacceptable and we are all working through the nights and weekends to resolve this issue. Supplies from the manufacturer are scarce and erratic, and our communication has been flawed. I can offer an unreserved apology for our service and communication failures in this process.
For those that originally received a 3-5 days shipping estimate, your orders are now in process for fulfillment. You can expect an email notification early this week which will include tracking information. Although you will be initially charged in full, you will receive a credit for the shipping charge soon after.
For others that received pre-Christmas shipping estimates, we anticipate processing your orders for fulfillment this week.
I realise that the people who ordered the Nexus 4 so early are among our most committed and loyal users and we are doing all we can to put things right.
Sorry again.
Dan
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Head of Google UK (Dan Cobley) finally offers some insight and an apology on this mess of a launch.
I apologize if this has already been posted, I couldn't find anything.
Full Article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/dec/17/nexus-4-delays-apology-blame
erosgulo said:
Head of Google UK (Dan Cobley) finally offers some insight and an apology on this mess of a launch.
I apologize if this has already been posted, I couldn't find anything.
Full Article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/dec/17/nexus-4-delays-apology-blame
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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
If you want to look at a product launch that REALLY failed, you only have to look at the Xbox360, 60% failure rate after 3 years on the market..... Thats a REAL botched product launch...
www.nofussreviews.com/survey-results-2012
And the background behind the problems...
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/x...istory-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/
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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
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granted, some people are drama queens, but there are many people who still haven't received their order from Nov 13, and don't forget all the backordered folks from the initial release. Still there's some 1-2 weekers who have not received shipping emails. There's also the issue of ppl not receiving their devices in proportion to their order time. Furthermore, he's also apologizing about their lack of communication, which was another issue.
Also, providing an example of a greater failure doesn't justify this one haha.
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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
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Google originally quoted 3-5 day shipping to those of us who ordered on Nov 13. Then we got a backorder email the next day that changed the estimate to 3 weeks. I got my phone yesterday. That's right, a day shy of 5 weeks. Some Nov 13 orders have yet to be filled. They have NOT been filling the orders in the order that they were made, nor have they kept up with demand. This has been a shameful fiasco. Why do you think the shippong and orders thread has almost 40,000 posts?
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WHAT???!!! AN APOLOGY FOR LATE SHIPPING???!!! WHO CARES! FK HIM AND HIS APOLOGY!!!!
Where's an apology for USB/OTG and all the hardware issues??? Who needs an apology, recall this phone and start over again. They need to be hit where it hurts, in the wallet. Apologies don't hurt them financially. Fk that.
A lot of people got backordered, and even at this moment, the phone is completely sold out. There aren't really people being drama queens factoring in that the Google website is pretty much the only place to get the phone (unless you want to pay 200 dollars more), and when other products are sold out, there are lots of other places that might be supplied. LG came in with a really small supply of Nexus 4's, and it's hurt us in the end. Then again, I think the problem is also that, even now, I don't think they're that incredibly concerned since they're not looking to profit off the phone majorly as they are just trying to introduce the phone into the market as a stepping stone for other companies. If they don't sell some large number like 2 million phones, they are more than happy and I don't think that's what their intentions were in the first place. Unfortunately, this ends up hurting a lot of people who actually want the phone, or who have it and want accessories and such.
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A lot of people got backordered, and even at this moment, the phone is completely sold out. There aren't really people being drama queens factoring in that the Google website is pretty much the only place to get the phone (unless you want to pay 200 dollars more), and when other products are sold out, there are lots of other places that might be supplied. LG came in with a really small supply of Nexus 4's, and it's hurt us in the end. Then again, I think the problem is also that, even now, I don't think they're that incredibly concerned since they're not looking to profit off the phone majorly as they are just trying to introduce the phone into the market as a stepping stone for other companies. If they don't sell some large number like 2 million phones, they are more than happy and I don't think that's what their intentions were in the first place. Unfortunately, this ends up hurting a lot of people who actually want the phone, or who have it and want accessories and such.
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I wonder if/when google will bring the nexus line to motorola if we'll see an actual big player rise in the smartphone world. I imagine if google put in an actual real solitary effort into the nexus line (instead of these half assed cooperative efforts) and advertised its product well, we would see a legitimate competitor in the smartphone market. There is some money to be made with the rise of android in the past year. I hope google will consider augmenting its objectives for the nexus line in the near future.
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What mess? I, like the majority of people were quoted ships in 1-2 weeks, and it was delivered to be within the 2 weeks.
Some people are just a bunch of whining drama queens.
If you want to look at a product launch that REALLY failed, you only have to look at the Xbox360, 60% failure rate after 3 years on the market..... Thats a REAL botched product launch...
www.nofussreviews.com/survey-results-2012
And the background behind the problems...
http://venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/x...istory-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes/
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What mess? Lol too funny
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Google originally quoted 3-5 day shipping to those of us who ordered on Nov 13. Then we got a backorder email the next day that changed the estimate to 3 weeks. I got my phone yesterday. That's right, a day shy of 5 weeks. Some Nov 13 orders have yet to be filled. They have NOT been filling the orders in the order that they were made, nor have they kept up with demand. This has been a shameful fiasco. Why do you think the shippong and orders thread has almost 40,000 posts?
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Because people like posting =)
Not to mention people ordering later than others but still get their phones shipped sooner...
The only mistake Google made with this phone was selling it so cheap so millions of people wanted to buy it instead of getting it.on contract like normal phone.
The only mistake???
Pfft.
Old news ...we have enough news Google screwed up in every aspect of selling the N4, from the launch time announcement to the ordering to the shipping to the communication to the rma's.
you name and it they screwed up big time everywhere they were involved in.
I find it hard to believe how cynical everyone is. I had a few issues as well with Google, but I called and talked through it all. I know some of the customer service representatives are a little clueless, but those who have't got their device yet, probably could have done something about it. Also, Google is new to this game, you can't expect everything to be perfect their first try.
And yes I know they've sold devices before, I have purchased almost all of them, but I don't believe they have ever had such a high demand.
Just relax and enjoy the holidays.
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Old news ...we have enough news Google screwed up in every aspect of selling the N4, from the launch time announcement to the ordering to the shipping to the communication to the rma's.
you name and it they screwed up big time everywhere they were involved in.
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Ermmm... what's with that announcement? Did not correctly estimate sandy schedule?
biffsmash said:
The only mistake Google made with this phone was selling it so cheap so millions of people wanted to buy it instead of getting it.on contract like normal phone.
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Yes, because it would have been sooo much better if they sold it for £500+, just like the iPaidTooMuchForThisPhone.
When you stay awake to be first to order a phone that takes 2 weeks more than it should and there is still no bumper for sale, that is failure. If i wanted to pre order i would have in September.
I do not see LG getting another Nexus after this.
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bass++ said:
When you stay awake to be first to order a phone that takes 2 weeks more than it should and there is still no bumper for sale, that is failure. If i wanted to pre order i would have in September.
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The preorders would run out as fast as orders, so you still won't be happy. Preorders don't magically speed up production.
No company on this earth has an infinite supply chain flexibility. Or they are grossly mismanaged. I don't see how it is a failure.
I do not see LG getting another Nexus after this.
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Dunno, I suppose LG probably won't even bid for another nexus. And the next OEM will be Compal, ZTE, Huawei or something.
Or even Motorola, like "dear OEMs, if you don't elect supplying us with a new platform, Motorola will. This is not a threat, we repeat, this is not a threat!"
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vanmarek said:
Yes, because it would have been sooo much better if they sold it for £500+, just like the iPaidTooMuchForThisPhone.
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There woudn't be any supply problems, sleepless nights and anxiety So el goog wouldn't fail and everyone would be happy
I'm not complaining because all the bugs in the initial release could be potentially sorted out when Google makes new devices. Just waiting past what your promised is not enjoyable especially when you get a definite ETA.
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neim81094 said:
I'm not complaining because all the bugs in the initial release could be potentially sorted out when Google makes new devices. Just waiting past what your promised is not enjoyable especially when you get a definite ETA.
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What bugs are these that require new devices?
The Midnight Black OnePlus 5 will be shipped out immediately after you've ordered it.
OnePlus announced at the start of the year that one of its resolutions for 2017 was to tackle shipping delays by making its products available for immediate dispatch, which sees the company shipping a phone mere hours after you've placed the order.
Just got one today
I don't mean to be rude, but this isnt really a forum contribution since every oneplus owner got this email.
OcazPrime said:
I don't mean to be rude, but this isnt really a forum contribution since every oneplus owner got this email.
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This is good information for non Oneplus owners though. First time OnePlus prospective purchasers may not have signed up for an account yet.
Sounds like they are having a hard time moving units after jello effect so they are sending emails to people trying to get them to buy. If anyone wants to buy one they can see on the site themselves that they are available if they had interest to buy one.
BoboBrazil said:
Sounds like they are having a hard time moving units after jello effect so they are sending emails to people trying to get them to buy. If anyone wants to buy one they can see on the site themselves that they are available if they had interest to buy one.
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This assumes people keep track of news like this.
redeuxx said:
This assumes people keep track of news like this.
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Well if you come to xda and have interest in buying one I'm sure you would put in an order already or be checking the website to see when it becomes available immediately. If you wanted one it makes 0 sense to wait for one to be available immediately on the site to buy though.
I would like to explain about a situation that I had to go through with OnePlus customer service.
I got my new OnePlus 7 Pro around 3pm today. I excitedly opened the box and turned the phone on. I looked it over and saw something on the back. "What is that?" I thought. Inspecting it closer, I saw a ripple in the plastic foil that adheres to the glass back and gives the shimmery look. It wasn't a huge deal, but still a flaw, and I should have a flawless phone after shelling out 750 dollars.
Ok, I'll contact support.
I called them and spoke with someone that I suspect was in China. She stated that she was sorry for the inconvenience, but I could submit an RMA. Since it was within the 15 days, I should get an email soon with the shipping label and info. The whole process could take a couple of weeks though....sucks but ok, I should get the flawless device I paid for.
About 2 hours later I got an email from Acer whom I guess handles OnePlus's returns. There was not a shipping label. I figured I would contact chat support, surely they just forgot to attach the label.
Well over 45 mins later, they finally decipher what I'm asking for and tell me that OnePlus isn't going to pay for shipping back to them. What? Surely a mistake, right? They delivered a flawed product.
I decided to call. I either got the same exact lady that I had earlier when I called, or they all use the same name, I dont know. Anyways, I explained the situation, and again she assured me that I would not have to pay shipping back to them. She asked me to wait on hold and she would see what the deal is. Welp, 20 mins later she comes back on and says "we are sorry sir but because there is nothing wrong with the OTG cable, you will have to pay for shipping back to us." Ok what the heck, this is about a phone lady, I again gave her my info and she apologized and asked me to wait on hold. Another 15 mins later and she came back on and said, and I quote "I am so sorry sir, but Acer will not pay for shipping back to their service center." I'm like what, I'm talking to OnePlus, this is a OnePlus phone, I want them to pay for shipping back since they delivered a flawed product. "I'm sorry sir, Acer is who handles the returns and they will not pay."
So I asked her to change my RMA to a return instead of exchange. I'll be footing the bill to send the phone back and will never consider another OnePlus product again.
I'm posting this for those on the fence. Just know that if you ever have problems their customer service is a joke. Thank God I was within the 15 day window. The main reason I asked for them to change to a return instead of exchange was the whole time I was thinking....I'm within the window of return and this is how they treat me? What if the ffc goes out? The screen? I dont want to go through it again. Hope this info helps out others. Im sorry I don't get to be a part of this community. I could tell it was going to be a good one. Take care.
JLine05 said:
I would like to explain about a situation that I had to go through with OnePlus customer service.
I got my new OnePlus 7 Pro around 3pm today. I excitedly opened the box and turned the phone on. I looked it over and saw something on the back. "What is that?" I thought. Inspecting it closer, I saw a ripple in the plastic foil that adheres to the glass back and gives the shimmery look. It wasn't a huge deal, but still a flaw, and I should have a flawless phone after shelling out 750 dollars.
Ok, I'll contact support.
I called them and spoke with someone that I suspect was in China. She stated that she was sorry for the inconvenience, but I could submit an RMA. Since it was within the 15 days, I should get an email soon with the shipping label and info. The whole process could take a couple of weeks though....sucks but ok, I should get the flawless device I paid for.
About 2 hours later I got an email from Acer whom I guess handles OnePlus's returns. There was not a shipping label. I figured I would contact chat support, surely they just forgot to attach the label.
Well over 45 mins later, they finally decipher what I'm asking for and tell me that OnePlus isn't going to pay for shipping back to them. What? Surely a mistake, right? They delivered a flawed product.
I decided to call. I either got the same exact lady that I had earlier when I called, or they all use the same name, I dont know. Anyways, I explained the situation, and again she assured me that I would not have to pay shipping back to them. She asked me to wait on hold and she would see what the deal is. Welp, 20 mins later she comes back on and says "we are sorry sir but because there is nothing wrong with the OTG cable, you will have to pay for shipping back to us." Ok what the heck, this is about a phone lady, I again gave her my info and she apologized and asked me to wait on hold. Another 15 mins later and she came back on and said, and I quote "I am so sorry sir, but Acer will not pay for shipping back to their service center." I'm like what, I'm talking to OnePlus, this is a OnePlus phone, I want them to pay for shipping back since they delivered a flawed product. "I'm sorry sir, Acer is who handles the returns and they will not pay."
So I asked her to change my RMA to a return instead of exchange. I'll be footing the bill to send the phone back and will never consider another OnePlus product again.
I'm posting this for those on the fence. Just know that if you ever have problems their customer service is a joke. Thank God I was within the 15 day window. The main reason I asked for them to change to a return instead of exchange was the whole time I was thinking....I'm within the window of return and this is how they treat me? What if the ffc goes out? The screen? I dont want to go through it again. Hope this info helps out others. Im sorry I don't get to be a part of this community. I could tell it was going to be a good one. Take care.
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Do you have any pics? I would also be ticked off.
I would be upset too, but Apple and Samsung are going to have the same customer service too.
OnePlus stopped paying for return shipping couple of years ago.. if you have paid with PayPal, going can claim the return shipping with PayPal...
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Do you have any pics? I would also be ticked off.
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Now that I've cooled off, I'm weighing keeping it. On one hand I'm scared of dealing with support if anything mechanically malfunctions with the phone. On the other hand, I've been using Samsung for 8 years straight, and I miss having root and flashing roms.
I'm going to leave the first post the same though, because I think the frustration is warranted and others may be interested to know what it's like dealing with them.
I attached a picture of the defect, its incredibly minor....I wasn't sure that I was even going to contact them in the first place. But I kept saying man, you paid 750 for a new phone it should be without flaws...
I don't know, I'll see how I feel tomorrow.
Bradl79 said:
I would be upset too, but Apple and Samsung are going to have the same customer service too.
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Apple has stores you could take the phone and swap it, but I've never dealt with them.
I've dealt with Samsung for their appliances a few times and never had anything this bad. It's hard to even convey in writing how frustrating those several hours dealing with them were. That last call with the lady who mentioned the otg cable was maddening. That 45 minutes was seriously a total waste of time.
JLine05 said:
I would like to explain about a situation that I had to go through with OnePlus customer service.
I got my new OnePlus 7 Pro around 3pm today. I excitedly opened the box and turned the phone on. I looked it over and saw something on the back. "What is that?" I thought. Inspecting it closer, I saw a ripple in the plastic foil that adheres to the glass back and gives the shimmery look. It wasn't a huge deal, but still a flaw, and I should have a flawless phone after shelling out 750 dollars.
Ok, I'll contact support.
I called them and spoke with someone that I suspect was in China. She stated that she was sorry for the inconvenience, but I could submit an RMA. Since it was within the 15 days, I should get an email soon with the shipping label and info. The whole process could take a couple of weeks though....sucks but ok, I should get the flawless device I paid for.
About 2 hours later I got an email from Acer whom I guess handles OnePlus's returns. There was not a shipping label. I figured I would contact chat support, surely they just forgot to attach the label.
Well over 45 mins later, they finally decipher what I'm asking for and tell me that OnePlus isn't going to pay for shipping back to them. What? Surely a mistake, right? They delivered a flawed product.
I decided to call. I either got the same exact lady that I had earlier when I called, or they all use the same name, I dont know. Anyways, I explained the situation, and again she assured me that I would not have to pay shipping back to them. She asked me to wait on hold and she would see what the deal is. Welp, 20 mins later she comes back on and says "we are sorry sir but because there is nothing wrong with the OTG cable, you will have to pay for shipping back to us." Ok what the heck, this is about a phone lady, I again gave her my info and she apologized and asked me to wait on hold. Another 15 mins later and she came back on and said, and I quote "I am so sorry sir, but Acer will not pay for shipping back to their service center." I'm like what, I'm talking to OnePlus, this is a OnePlus phone, I want them to pay for shipping back since they delivered a flawed product. "I'm sorry sir, Acer is who handles the returns and they will not pay."
So I asked her to change my RMA to a return instead of exchange. I'll be footing the bill to send the phone back and will never consider another OnePlus product again.
I'm posting this for those on the fence. Just know that if you ever have problems their customer service is a joke. Thank God I was within the 15 day window. The main reason I asked for them to change to a return instead of exchange was the whole time I was thinking....I'm within the window of return and this is how they treat me? What if the ffc goes out? The screen? I dont want to go through it again. Hope this info helps out others. Im sorry I don't get to be a part of this community. I could tell it was going to be a good one. Take care.
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JLine05 said:
Now that I've cooled off, I'm weighing keeping it. On one hand I'm scared of dealing with support if anything mechanically malfunctions with the phone. On the other hand, I've been using Samsung for 8 years straight, and I miss having root and flashing roms.
I'm going to leave the first post the same though, because I think the frustration is warranted and others may be interested to know what it's like dealing with them.
I attached a picture of the defect, its incredibly minor....I wasn't sure that I was even going to contact them in the first place. But I kept saying man, you paid 750 for a new phone it should be without flaws...
I don't know, I'll see how I feel tomorrow.
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I cant believe they dont pay return shipping for something that is clearly a defect. I've returned things to Samsung and given a return label hassle free.
Why did you phone, you should have used the site :
https://www.oneplus.com/uk/support/contact?from=foot
I'm pretty sure the chat agents are in OnePlus and would be much more accommodating.
The most recommended RMA process is to raise a support ticket, then make a post on the OnePlus forum and mention one of the mods who can have someone look at it for you, if it's especially egregious like this issue is then you should get a satisfactory outcome using that method.
Also the reason why buying it from a store is usually better, you can then just take it straight back to that store. Online sales are always inherently more difficult for support.
Hey, man. sorry about your experience. I'm the same way with regards to wanting a flawless device. If there isn't a restocking fee, i would just say to return and buy another one (if theyre unwilling to RMA). It's lame to have to pay return shipping, but this way you can at least save your "RMA karma" for if you really need it. Either way, if you're not happy with it, don't just settle...no pun intended lol
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Now that I've cooled off, I'm weighing keeping it. On one hand I'm scared of dealing with support if anything mechanically malfunctions with the phone. On the other hand, I've been using Samsung for 8 years straight, and I miss having root and flashing roms.
I'm going to leave the first post the same though, because I think the frustration is warranted and others may be interested to know what it's like dealing with them.
I attached a picture of the defect, its incredibly minor....I wasn't sure that I was even going to contact them in the first place. But I kept saying man, you paid 750 for a new phone it should be without flaws...
I don't know, I'll see how I feel tomorrow.
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Why did you phone, you should have used the site :
https://www.oneplus.com/uk/support/contact?from=foot
I'm pretty sure the chat agents are in OnePlus and would be much more accommodating.
The most recommended RMA process is to raise a support ticket, then make a post on the OnePlus forum and mention one of the mods who can have someone look at it for you, if it's especially egregious like this issue is then you should get a satisfactory outcome using that method.
Also the reason why buying it from a store is usually better, you can then just take it straight back to that store. Online sales are always inherently more difficult for support.
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Using that link in USA redirects you to the site I used. Also, the reps I spoke with were OnePlus reps (though not very good ones).
And we cannot purchase from a store here unless we are Tmobile customers. Tmobile requires you to sign up for service if you buy the phone from them.
As far as the method you mentioned about visiting the forums, you may have a point there, but how is that to be known by a new customer? I think it's a good contribution for other users that may be looking this topic up later, so I appreciate it!
I am located in Germany so my experience would probably differ and I don't know what other options and resellers there are in the US.
However, I have ordered my phone to Amazon and there the shipping date is may 31st from the beginning. I know I will have to wait longer, but I just love their service. 30 day return period and I only have to deal with them once there is something wrong with the device. I have been reading horrible stories about oneplus customer support and your case would upset me as well. I honestly wouldn't keep it after spending that much money and send it back. (I will would still get a new one). Being forced to pay anything extra is outrages though.
Luckily, I never had to do any rma with my older oneplus phones yet and I am getting a new one every year. Still, I will stick with Amazon, just in case.
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Using that link in USA redirects you to the site I used. Also, the reps I spoke with were OnePlus reps (though not very good ones).
And we cannot purchase from a store here unless we are Tmobile customers. Tmobile requires you to sign up for service if you buy the phone from them.
As far as the method you mentioned about visiting the forums, you may have a point there, but how is that to be known by a new customer? I think it's a good contribution for other users that may be looking this topic up later, so I appreciate it!
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No problem, hope you get a satisfactory outcome and sorry your first experience with OnePlus has been soured like this.
Thanks everyone. I've decided that I am going to send it back. I may buy another one, I haven't quite decided that yet. I wish Amazon US had it
Bradl79 said:
I would be upset too, but Apple and Samsung are going to have the same customer service too.
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I had a great experience with Samsung with my wife's phone. Phone was still under warranty and they took care of it right away. They paid shipping both ways and got the new phone in less than 8 days. I have not had any experience with OnePLus customer service but I am not surprised with the experience OP had. I have OP6 and thankfully it runs flawless. When I purchased OP6, it was at least $200 cheaper than comparable flagship phones from well-known manufacturers. In order to sell quality phones at a razor thin margins, usually they cut corners with customer service/after-sales service. I hope OP gets the refund in a timely fashion.
I was being sarcastic, With customer service it's all one of the same though, one person can have a great experience and others not so much like this poor fellow, I used to work for att customer relations and heard horror stories similar to this and some worse, also heard great things for both Samsung, crApple, LG and some not so good. It is really in all who u get, if ur not happy just hang up and move on, BC it could be that person's manager or team lead who does not want to do anything for anyone, there were some like me who would try to help as much as possible, again it comes down to the manager, team leader, call center manager or above. I hope u can get it resolved to ur satisfaction. Just RMA it
I'm in the UK, had to send back a OnePlus 5. Free shipping, got it back within 4 days. Think it went to the Czech Republic. Was about a year ago.
Sound awful your experience though