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http://gizmodo.com/5536898/apple-hits-back-at-claims-of-androids-larger-sales
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They should be!
They are going down..................

They are starting to rott at this very moment!

Yeah the latest comments from Cupertino always hit the I'm With Adobe FB group and we laughed hysterically when this one came around.
Denial, much?

You guys crack me up, Are " you " in denial much ?
Apple makes ONE phone yes ONe, One, oNe, yes 1 phone. In the 1Q they cornered 7 percent of the market with a year old phone. With one phone. How many Android phones are there ?
Even though everyone knows the new 4G is coming out in June, they still sold 7% of the market, with ONE phone . How many Nexus One's did Google sell ? 7% of the market ? No !.....How many Eris' did HTC sell ? 7% of the market ? Hero's , MyTouches, Desires, Incredibles ? Not even with Verzion " giving " them away 2 for 1. ( The giveaway phones were added into the survey of course)
Seriously, Apple has sold 50 million iPhones, does anyone not in denial, really think that Motorola is going to sell 50 million Droids ?
Apple is really quaking. Wake me after the 4G comes out and Verizon stops having to giveaway phones to get people to buy them, and then see if the numbers change.
Or better yet wake me when Google sells 50 million Nexus Ones,

As much as we hate it, he's right. One phone on one carrier that's almost one year old makes 7% of the marketshare with a new one already known to come out. Their are soooo many Windows Mobile and Android phones on several different carriers, even if they did sell as much or come close to that ammount, Apple still has it beat with one phone, one carrier, one year old when everyone knew a new one was being released! I by no means even have one bit of likeness (is it even a word) for Apple but they are successful. It's just a fad like everything else. Eventually their will be something newer and better,

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As much as we hate it, he's right. One phone on one carrier that's almost one year old makes 7% of the marketshare with a new one already known to come out. Their are soooo many Windows Mobile and Android phones on several different carriers, even if they did sell as much or come close to that ammount, Apple still has it beat with one phone, one carrier, one year old when everyone knew a new one was being released! I by no means even have one bit of likeness (is it even a word) for Apple but they are successful. It's just a fad like everything else. Eventually their will be something newer and better,
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If Google was arrogant and conceited enough to put all their eggs in one basket, I'm sure they'd be outselling the iPhone right about now. The novelty is over. As novelty fades, functionality takes over (see Nintendo's recent drop in sales for more information). But the reality is that Google isn't dumb enough to monopolize the hardware and instead spreads their OS across multiple hardware platforms. Even Microsoft knows this. That being said, expect a continued increase in Android dominance.
Apple's desire to control the public and the market in general has negative side effects. As much as I hate Apple, they could DOUBLE their profits if they released their OS to PCs. Instead, they'd rather control the market and eventually face tons of monopoly lawsuits in the future, eventually forcing them to comply with the public desire.
It's sad when Apple fanboys don't get it. Saying that they did that with one phone, one OS, on one carrier means absolutely nothing. The proof is in numbers. You can't say that if they released it on many different hardware units on many carriers then they would dominate. Why? Because they didn't do it. It's not their strategy. And thus, because they chose so, they have now been lapped. I still have yet to make sense of why Apple defends their exclusive contract with AT&T. They could easily triple their profits if they came out with a CDMA version (yet their exclusive contract goes to 2012).
And talk all you want about 4G but most people have no idea what they are talking about when it comes to the next generation. AT&T 4G is at least a year out. AT&T is next releasing a 3G+ expansion, but even that will be behind (and sometimes relying on) T-Mobile's 3G+ network. Sprint claims to have 4G ready (even though all 4G tests in the US show similar speeds to 3G+), but only in a few markets. CDMA carriers will be ready for 4G roll-out beyond the top 10 metros in 2012. But leave it to Apple fanboys to think 4G (maturing in 2012) is months away, especially since they also seem to think HTML5 is months away (2022 for maturity).
You're definitely right. Apple sold ONE phone. ONE PHONE. And took 7% of the market. That's definitely amazing. Think about what they could do if they sold 10 phones! You're absolutely right. Think about it. But not too much, because they were dumb enough not to. And now, they have been lapped. Oops. I guess we now know the part of the body responsible for long-term marketing and consumer satisfaction is actually located in the liver (a part Jobs recently traded out).
Hypotheticals can't be used as an argument. The iPhone could have very well sold 4 times as much as Android and Windows phones combined, if they marketed different phones and different carriers. But they didn't. And so they lose. Unfortunately, Apple and their fanboys won't learn the lesson that's pretty obvious to everyone else.

Sure, it's easy to sell 50 million toys compared to classy high tech devices!

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You're definitely right. Apple sold ONE phone. ONE PHONE. And took 7% of the market. That's definitely amazing. Think about what they could do if they sold 10 phones! You're absolutely right. Think about it. But not too much, because they were dumb enough not to. And now, they have been lapped. Oops. I guess we now know the part of the body responsible for long-term marketing and consumer satisfaction is actually located in the liver (a part Jobs recently traded out).
Hypotheticals can't be used as an argument. The iPhone could have very well sold 4 times as much as Android and Windows phones combined, if they marketed different phones and different carriers. But they didn't. And so they lose. Unfortunately, Apple and their fanboys won't learn the lesson that's pretty obvious to everyone else.
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Apple has learned their lesson, a lesson Google is about to learn
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1594673/popularity-killing-android

denco7 said:
Apple has learned their lesson, a lesson Google is about to learn
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/feature/1594673/popularity-killing-android
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hahaha, a long article attempting to claim closed systems are better. Nice. Considering Google is the leading company when it comes to push updates (balanced nicely without saying "F U" to their customers). Software and OTA updates are still relatively new in the mobile field. Even Windows Mobile 6.5 has a Windows Update function that has never been used! Google pushed multitouch OTA. Who else has done that? Android will continue to gain steam as they cater to developers (Oops, Apple dropped the ball on that one). They will gain steam as Android becomes the popular technology device to purchase, that also includes the ability to do things for less money.
I'm pretty confident in Google. I have a Windows Mobile phone, so I'm not necessarily against seeing different versions of an OS floating around as a bad thing. If you're Android phone doesn't have the ability to update to the latest OS, then go out and buy another one that does. Apple fanboys purchase updated hardware for less of a difference.
It's a shame for all Apple fanboys. It's like Yankee fans dealing with a losing season by talking about pennants from 1923 (like anyone cares about 1923).
(at least we can agree that we hate the Yankees, denco7 )
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Did Nexus 4 really just sold out faster than iPhone 5?

I mean, I am not iFan or anything, but all around the world where Nexus 4 was available for purchase was sold out in a blink of an eye.
Is this successful for Google or bad? What do you guys think.
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No they just have less units available at launch
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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo

3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.

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3 of my friends and 2 cousins who have been up since last night sitting infront of their computer, couldn't get theirs. I'm sure there are many more like that out there right now. After Nexus 7, imo Google should have been prepared, maybe should have gone with a solo US launch first and cover the rest of the world after 2 weeks or so. Works for Samsung every single time.
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Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:

hopefully this was just to test the waters to make sure there is a demand before they make more since they are selling these at a loss. hopefully they restore stock before the holidays.

lol, nothing against any other country, just be easier on everyone to not have a bad experience this way. But I must say, this is by far the most popular Nexus Cellphone, LG and Google got this one for sure. I'm happy thou, because it will only get better from here.

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Can't say but I doubt it. I'm pretty sure that Google just had WAAAYYYYYY less stock than the iPhone 5! Just a marketing stunt imo
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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong

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Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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Speculation but the only reasonable logic. Given how slow and how many errors there were, Google is not ready to sell iPhone numbers. I do not believe that much stock was emptied. In either case, hopefully they provide some numbers for us. If they don't, well then I think we can just assume the PR stunt.
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Lets wait and watch, I would love to read about this launch and see what everyone is thinking about this. Can't call this a satisfying launch at all but a successful launch from Google's point of view I would say.
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Yeah it seems to be a ****ty marketing stunt, might of had a negative impact actually because they've pissed a lot of people off
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Sp does nokia claim for their latest lumia lol but they only put on sale some thousands and not some millions so depends on the stock quantity

flx-grafix said:
Yep, smells somewhat like a PR-stunt to me. No offense to Google, but such a big company (that makes its money througn market analytics and advertising), not prepared for this huge demand after the success of the N7 and the low-pricing-policy? Hard to think of...
This is all speculation, but they could be after the exact headline of this thread coming to major newspapers tomorrow, certainly not a bad thing in terms of PR.
I personally think, that they made a low amount of devices available at the launch hoping for a sell-out like it has only happened with Apple products. Main stash of devices will be available soon, there has to be some over-stock before the holidays, they won't loose all the possible sales at this time of the year where customers tend to spend the most money on electronic devices.
But as I said, all speculations, no offense. I could be wrong
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i guess they did it on reason, everytime apple releases iphone they make huge buzz around the world sold out sold out huge line outside of the store.. AS GOOGLE CANT HAVE HUGE LINE OUTSIDA STORE THEY TRICKED US WITH LESS STOCK AND MAKING SOLD OUT BUZZ. SHUT UP GOOGLE U MORON U LEFT LOADS OF UNHAPPY LOYAL SLEEPLESS CUSTOMERS WHO WERE EAGERLY WAITING ON THE DEVICE.
i doubt they had 500 devices for uk market

stinky73 said:
Being in France I think I'd have to say why don't they cover the "rest of the world" first and leave America to last?.... :silly:
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lol, they effectively did, started in Australia and worked westward to the US.

I find it believable, since they are not pulling off the same sold out stunt with the Nexus 10. It is probably due to the price. All they have to get out there is superior to the GS3 and for $349 unlocked with no contract and whoever that needs a new phone would be crazy not to buy it.
That said, there are not enough geeks to sustain these numbers like the iphone 5 can sustain the numbers. However, 2 million or more geeks all ordering at 9am pst is definitely plausible. But once that 2 million gets theirs then we will see how much staying power the Nexus 4 generates.

This is without a doubt a marketing technique. Watch all the tech articles tomorrow "Google sells out Nexus 4 in .03 microseconds!"
And you'll get ignorant posters with comments like "OMGWTFBBQ Apple took 2 days to sell out! I love Google tehe LMAO OMFG"
even if Google only had 3 phones to sell, and Apple had 3 million

marketing stunt
Exactly, totally a marketing stunt. They want the headlines that the Nexus 4 sold out, that its a hot commodity. That will create more interest, higher demand, and magically in a few days a whole butt-load of units will show up in the play store. It'll be interesting to see if they actually release number of units sold today.

They sold out because they only had like 10 devices available in each region, except the US, where they had like 15 units available...
Yes, I'm bitter.

I'm actually more curious the volume of sales for the first day of release, and if Google will release those numbers.

I gt one for myself!! But ya google sucked!! I feel sorry for you all!! They must have stocked arnd one lakh/0.1 million units in each country!! Thats really bad!! Apple had really done a good job

Intentional hype?

Am I the only one here thinking that it was part of google's plan to make it look like they sold a bunch of N4s in order to get the media's attention by bragging about how many they sold? Just Google: "nexus 4 sold out". You will find many websites reporting that nexus 4 are selling like hot cakes/or are sold out. I'm going to have to look at the next news paper, I bet we will see it in the headlines. This is wonderful news for Google. Great advertisement.
More over I would like to know what you guys think of this. Don't you think that such a rich company like Google would have for seen this?
Also the fact that the number of sold devices are not being reported, wouldn't that indicate that the amount of devices are actually not that much after all? (mentioning the # of sold units would discredit their bragging right? - Of course, only if it is not high)
Chances are they have a lot on stock but want to sell only a certain amount for the time being.
Now what would concern me is, if it actually is the truth that they ran out of supply. I mean, LG? There are few people who have faith in LG, their android update policy is enough to associate that company with incompetence.
Even with the nexus phone being an LG, they already managed to leave a bad impression in countries with no play store by announcing a price which could be nearly up to double the price of the nexus 4 in the play store.
What if LG is not able to keep up with demand? What is your say? What do you think is going on?
I visited a site that mentioned that Google has done this before, in order to see how high the demand is and to fulfill the needs a few days/weeks/month later. Was not following the galaxy nexus sale , anyone that experienced this here?
Hope this thread doesn't get closed, I could imagine some interesting discussion going on

no, just scumbags trying to make a profit by hogging all the stock

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no, just scumbags trying to make a profit by hogging all the stock
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I think it its engineered, why not Apple do it all the time

Naw, I mean, there really weren't any commercials over it or anything. Google has the money to spend on advertising for it, but they honestly didn't. I feel they just weren't too sure on when to do it themselves and that we were probably making more out of it than needed to be.

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I think it its engineered, why not Apple do it all the time
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google's site never lags
it lagged today.

It's a big global conspiracy to ruin your day. Mission accomplished.

If this was Apple then, yes, I would believe it was intentional but honestly the server was crashing. What I saw you can't fake. It was like a DDoS attack. That server was basically brought to its knees. SERIOUSLY.
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It's a big global conspiracy to ruin your day. Mission accomplished.
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The Illuminati. Yes! They are watching us!
@above: hmmm. I prefer Lg is incompetent

I think it may be a combination of Google's lack of concern about their customers combined with a poor working relationship with LG. I don't think Google wants publicity about this launch because they and LG won't come off looking too good. Google must have thought it was getting more units from LG because they had indicated they would sell the Nexus 4 via Playstore in the Netherlands and Belgium. Then at the last minute, they had to cancel those commitments because they didn't get enough units from LG. At the same time, non-US carriers selling the phone at a much higher price than Google got units ahead of launch time so their customers could physically have the phone today. Hence, you have a number of users posting threads here about problems with their brand new Nexus 4 phones, which they have in hand. So, LG shorted Google to send phones to vendors that sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price. I suspect the whole sales cycle of this phone may be marked by problems between Google and LG, resulting in supply shortages for the lower priced Google-sold phones. If consumers want the phone and don't want to wait for weeks at a time between LG's periodic shipment of a meager supply to Google, you may be forced to buy from other vendors at a higher price or, in the US, a contract commitment to T-Mobile. It looks like Google + LG= oil + water; they don't mix well.

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I think it may be a combination of Google's lack of concern about their customers combined with a poor working relationship with LG. I don't think Google wants publicity about this launch because they and LG won't come off looking too good. Google must have thought it was getting more units from LG because they had indicated they would sell the Nexus 4 via Playstore in the Netherlands and Belgium. Then at the last minute, they had to cancel those commitments because they didn't get enough units from LG. At the same time, non-US carriers selling the phone at a much higher price than Google got units ahead of launch time so their customers could physically have the phone today. Hence, you have a number of users posting threads here about problems with their brand new Nexus 4 phones, which they have in hand. So, LG shorted Google to send phones to vendors that sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price. I suspect the whole sales cycle of this phone may be marked by problems between Google and LG, resulting in supply shortages for the lower priced Google-sold phones. If consumers want the phone and don't want to wait for weeks at a time between LG's periodic shipment of a meager supply to Google, you may be forced to buy from other vendors at a higher price or, in the US, a contract commitment to T-Mobile. It looks like Google + LG= oil + water; they don't mix well.
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.... Or maybe not. That's quite the stretch.

shadehh said:
Also the fact that the number of sold devices are not being reported, wouldn't that indicate that the amount of devices are actually not that much after all? (mentioning the # of sold units would discredit their bragging right? - Of course, only if it is not high)
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It is Google's policy not to release sales figures. So it indicates absolutely nothing. Asus released some Nexus 7 sales figures last month and apparently Google was not too happy.

This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.

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If this was Apple then, yes, I would believe it was intentional but honestly the server was crashing. What I saw you can't fake. It was like a DDoS attack. That server was basically brought to its knees. SERIOUSLY.
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very true... i had an N4 in my cart 8 times today (EIGHT freakin times) and each and every time i tried to proceed, i got that craptastic yellow banner telling me that something happened on the back end. their servers were absolutely hammered.

PincheKeith said:
This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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I'm happy with the low price and even if I have to wait a year to get a nexus 4 I'm so happy Google set new standards. I don't find the price too cheap, they could have easily added 50 bucks more for all I care. But I'm glad they set new standards for great hardware all others phone manufacturers must now adjust

I waited all day, from 3:00 AM EST when it was SUPPOSED to launch, to 12:00 PM EST when the "second" launch time was "announced", resulting in two times in which the "Add to Cart" button popped up but didn't work after clicking through. The minute I step inside my house, I rush to my computer, and see a nice, red SOLD OUT sign.
It had to be either a) testing the waters in terms of demand for the device (highly unlikely), b) a publicity stunt in order to garner more (free) attention for the Nexus4 (as we say it, any publicity is good publicity), or c) as stated a shortage of devices as a result between miscommunication/communication breakdowns between LG and Google.
Thoroughly disappointed. I sold my phone (GNexus) in the hopes of upgrading for very little $, and now I'm stuck with no phone at all.

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I waited all day, from 3:00 AM EST when it was SUPPOSED to launch, to 12:00 PM EST when the "second" launch time was "announced", resulting in two times in which the "Add to Cart" button popped up but didn't work after clicking through. The minute I step inside my house, I rush to my computer, and see a nice, red SOLD OUT sign.
It had to be either a) testing the waters in terms of demand for the device (highly unlikely), b) a publicity stunt in order to garner more (free) attention for the Nexus4 (as we say it, any publicity is good publicity), or c) as stated a shortage of devices as a result between miscommunication/communication breakdowns between LG and Google.
Thoroughly disappointed. I sold my phone (GNexus) in the hopes of upgrading for very little $, and now I'm stuck with no phone at all.
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man, i feel you. i sold my gnex and my backup (g2x) device in anticipation of the nexus 4. I'm old and tired. So, i'm just going to go to my tmobile store and pick up a note 2. I got one for my wife last week and she has been completely satisfied with it. I'll re-evaluate the state of android in a couple months, whereby I might sell the note 2 to finally get the nexus 4. we'll see.

If you believe that its all a conspiracy, put your aluminum foil hat back on and go sit in the corner.

PincheKeith said:
This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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Finally someone who understand economics.
Put gas half price today. Guess what will happen. Even if gas stations prepared. EVERYONE will gas and you can't prepare for that. Supply is driven by how valuable it is to sell. Demand is determined by how much value you get. They released a 600$ phone at 300$. Take off your tinfoil hats and go to school.

There is no conspiracy. We are talking about about a relatively small cell phone player in LG and a device with a small profit margin. Considering that both these companies are banking on the same profit model, ie, google wants large volume sales for ads and LG wants large volume to compensate for smaller net profits per phone. With the next big phone literally always around the corner, to delay sales in any way is very bad for both companies.

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I don't find the price too cheap, they could have easily added 50 bucks more for all I care.
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Then it is too cheap If people are willing to pay $400 or $450, and they sell it for $350, that's too cheap. That's why demand is (and should be!) so high.
I don't think they did this intentionally, they have a great device at a great price and it sold out.

No press launch for Nexus 5 or KitKat. Dissapointed?

Now that the Nexus 5 hype has partly died down and you've all secured one, who else is disappointed Google didn't hold a press event event for the launch? Hell, I'm surprised Google didn't even have an event for KitKat. It seems like such a missed opportunity. A pre-announced event has many benefits.
1. It confirms an incoming device and helps people plan for the purchase instead of buying it within a moments notice.
2. For the geeks amongst us, this event is more than just an announcement, it's an exciting show that we can all get behind and discuss, before, during and after it has happened. The hype would be momentous.
3. Whether we like it or not, Apple has demonstrated that flashy events reach out to a wide audience. Google cannot expect to target the Nexus to average consumers if it's launch consists of a measly post on Google blog.
4. It's just informative. Especially with the release of KitKat, an event will clearly outline the major changes in Android in an appealing visual fashion. Sure, we can find out about KitKat through other channels, but it would be a lot more exciting to hear from Google themselves.
There are probably more reasons for why Google should have held an event for the Nexus 5 and KitKat, but these are the most prominent ones that come to mind. I have to say though, I am not only disappointed but surprised by the lack of a launch. Last year, Google planned an event for for the Nexus 4 (although it was cancelled due to the hurricane) and more recently, Google held live streams for Google+ and Hangout changes. So my question, why announce two items (Nexus 5 and KitKat) which are arguably more important, through a boring blog post?
The strongest defence for Google not holding the event is that, "they will sell enough Nexus 5's without one". This is quite a poor argument though. The iPhone, likewise, would be sold out without an event but that doesn't stop Apple from showcasing it's product. Its not just a sales pitch, its a moment for the company to show its pride towards its products.

I'm personally glad they didn't have an event. It insured that people who really wanted the phone had a first shot as it. We were following it daily and knew when to look for the phone to go live. I bought mine 6 min into launch. Last year many many people bought the n4 on launch cause of the hype from the event that wouldn't have on day one. Though I'm very very surprised that it went down the way it did. I was really expecting an event or announcement of some kind. I wish they would have had an event that night or Friday night.
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I feel like the lack of an event helped limit the number of scavengers who purchase as many phones as they can just to resell them at a higher cost.

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I feel like the lack of an event helped limit the number of scavengers who purchase as many phones as they can just to resell them at a higher cost.
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Didn't help much. I almost put mine up for sale before I even get it due to them selling for way above retail.

Press events are for media ****tards. Glad Google don't play these dumb media circuses.

I was kinda disappointed there wasn't a conference/event. I really enjoyed the galaxy nexus ICS event not long ago.
Why is the right door always locked?

I think Google did just fine not having any sort of release party. Think about this for a minute. Apple's marketing budget is gonna be over 1 billion this year. Samsungs will top 4.5 billion. Googles budget comes in at just about 500 million and a lot of that was spent on the Moto X campaign. Google spent very little money on marketing the N5. They left it up to rumor and speculation to do that for them. The big question for me is how many devices did they sell in the opening week? It won't top the iPhone numbers but even if it comes in at half of that it's huge. I'm getting tired of the whole google cut corners to build the N5 arguement. In my eyes the only corner they cut on this phone was their marketing budget. Then they where nice enough to keep their profit margin low on top of that. That's why so many of us can afford this phone. So props to Google for doing right and doing it well.

Well, I see your points but at the same time..
You could look at is as Google simply saying.. hey look, we can release a device and an update without much advertising and work.. without making a big deal out of it.
People love trying to guess, building up hype on their own. Google let the devs and Android fans take care of the advertising and "press." Did you see how many blogs posted release dates and rumors and specs?

DowntownJeffBrown said:
Last year many many people bought the n4 on launch cause of the hype from the event that wouldn't have on day one.
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There wasn't a Nexus 4 event, because it was cancelled due to Hurricane Sandy.

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There wasn't a Nexus 4 event, because it was cancelled due to Hurricane Sandy.
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I know that but it was announced almost 2 weeks ahead of the release. It was all over the internet how cheap it was and the great specs. There was nothing this time around not even a video like Katy year
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who else is disappointed Google didn't hold a press event event for the launch?
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seriously?!

Google is sad about Galaxy Nexus & Nexus S (now that the OS manages well 512MB devices again).
(Just Kidding of course).
BTW, they don't need press events for a device with that awesome price. And a system with (afaik currently) 80+% market share on purchases, considering that most of the sells are from non-nexus (no-kitkat) devices.

There wasn't a need for an event. There's no groundbreaking new feature or gimmick offered by KitKat or the Nexus 5 that is going to sway new buyers, let alone demonstrate.

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I think Google did just fine not having any sort of release party. Think about this for a minute. Apple's marketing budget is gonna be over 1 billion this year. Samsungs will top 4.5 billion. Googles budget comes in at just about 500 million and a lot of that was spent on the Moto X campaign. Google spent very little money on marketing the N5. They left it up to rumor and speculation to do that for them. The big question for me is how many devices did they sell in the opening week? It won't top the iPhone numbers but even if it comes in at half of that it's huge. I'm getting tired of the whole google cut corners to build the N5 arguement. In my eyes the only corner they cut on this phone was their marketing budget. Then they where nice enough to keep their profit margin low on top of that. That's why so many of us can afford this phone. So props to Google for doing right and doing it well.
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A millionaire dollar marketing campaign is not exactly what I had in mind. Just a simple announcement held in one day. Hell, they could have even done so via a live stream like they did with the Google+ and Hangouts update.
Exel said:
Well, I see your points but at the same time..
You could look at is as Google simply saying.. hey look, we can release a device and an update without much advertising and work.. without making a big deal out of it.
People love trying to guess, building up hype on their own. Google let the devs and Android fans take care of the advertising and "press." Did you see how many blogs posted release dates and rumors and specs?
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As much as I enjoyed the fan made advertising through rumours, speculation and leak, I would still have much preferred an announcement from Google themselves. In fact, why not have both? If Google really felt the fans should do advertising for them, I think that's quite lazy on their part.
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seriously?!
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Yes, I'm serious. I feel you are interpreting it in some major sense though.

esskayy said:
As much as I enjoyed the fan made advertising through rumours, speculation and leak, I would still have much preferred an announcement from Google themselves. In fact, why not have both? If Google really felt the fans should do advertising for them, I think that's quite lazy on their part.
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Yeah, I suppose it can be seen like that as well.
Either way, I'm just happy Google keeps releasing good devices.
I love the Nexus line, I've had every nexus phone other than the Nexus One.

Exel said:
Yeah, I suppose it can be seen like that as well.
Either way, I'm just happy Google keeps releasing good devices.
I love the Nexus line, I've had every nexus phone other than the Nexus One.
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Exactly, Google consistently releases excellent products (hardware and software). It's just a shame that they don't always showcase their pride for it for the world to see. As I imagined, most people here are saying "they don't need one" but they can't be further away from the truth, as I said, it's not just a sales pitch its about advertising the product and what makes it special.

i2ollingstone said:
I feel like the lack of an event helped limit the number of scavengers who purchase as many phones as they can just to resell them at a higher cost.
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I think it might of helped a little. Still, the best way to combat these kinds of people is to have the inventory to support demand. It looks like Google did a pretty good job this time it looks like - maximum wait time is only 3-4 weeks. I'm sure there will be another bump in demand in about a month as Christmas shopping spins up, but I'm guessing that anyone who wants one will get it by the end of the year.

Me. And I leave for work at 1pm every day. I had faith and waited it out. I like to know what's going on.
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I am dissapointed, google hosted an event to launch the Nexus 7 this year alongside android 4.3 which didnt change anything visually, only under-the-hood improvements, this proves that they dont want the Nexus phones to go mainstream, its just a phone to keep us geeks happy in our bubble, but its not a phone to market, it really pisses me off because I feel stock android is the best android experience you can get, and people out in the street dont know about it, most people dont even know Google owns Android, theres a whole universe of people out there missing the best experience an android phone can have, I feel like google didnt do the event and wont market the phone because it would piss off OEMS who are making phones with similar specifications but almost doubling the price...

LRC1710 said:
I am dissapointed, google hosted an event to launch the Nexus 7 this year alongside android 4.3 which didnt change anything visually, only under-the-hood improvements, this proves that they dont want the Nexus phones to go mainstream, its just a phone to keep us geeks happy in our bubble, but its not a phone to market, it really pisses me off because I feel stock android is the best android experience you can get, and people out in the street dont know about it, most people dont even know Google owns Android, theres a whole universe of people out there missing the best experience an android phone can have, I feel like google didnt do the event and wont market the phone because it would piss off OEMS who are making phones with similar specifications but almost doubling the price...
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This. I cannot agree with you more. I think it's selfish for people to want Google to keep the Nexus line exclusive for geeks. The AOSP experience is unrivalled. A lot of people don't know what they are missing out on. Nexus 5 > iPhone on so many levels, and yet the average Joe would not even know what the Nexus is. Tragic.

The frustration of release dates

Why do we have to endure weeks of waiting for the release of a new Samsung device when it has been announced? All those people at the unpacked event waving the Note 4 and Edge around on stage or within the experience stands make me jealous but also make me angry.
I never see why the phones/devices cannot be on the shelves within a week of an announcement for contract free purchases. I understand there might be negotiations with carriers but why stop those with the cash in their hands?
I also would love to know who decides on which country gets a certain device and when.
Samsung is particularly bad at this. They drag their heels with pricing, release dates and availability. Surely this can be all in place prior to their events.

It's not wrong, you're right!
Apple does very well

I know. How long does it take to mole the circuit board, etc?
Its potential for cash cow. People say Oct 5th for T-mobile. Thats 4 weeks too long.

This is one thing Apple actually does very well. Release date generally follows announcement by less than 2 weeks. Pre-orders start just a few days after the announcement.

It is very annoying. I wish they'd just wait to announce until they're closer to release. Who cares if it leaks during production? Samsung isn't as bad as LG tho, they are terrible.
This article is another reason why the wait is irritating. http://www.gsmarena.com/nvidia_files_a_patent_lawsuit_against_samsung_and_qualcomm-news-9564.php

Samsung is terrible at this. Apple has almost always released within earshot knowing the hypetrain is still there. By the time Note 4 arrives iPhone6 will be on shelves. Noone outside the geekworld is hyped about a Note 4. Even casuals know a new and bigger iPhone are coming. After the S5 dissaponting sales you'd think Samsung would pull out all stops.

Shame, they could be taking advantage of the earlier announcement over apple but they're going to just let apple rake in the earlier pre orders.

for one, it's pretty obvious they need time to produce hundreds of thousands of them first., on top of that, each carrier needs time to receive the units and to do their own testing and get samsung to load things on to them, firmware,modems,etc..
surely if they were available right after announced that would mean the device was already in productions many weeks prior and shipped/stocked at all retailers before hand.. this wouldn't make sense..
this is just standard on all electronic and if you ever bought any other piece of electronic in the past, you would have known this is normal practice to announce and then begin shipping out to retailers.
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Shame, they could be taking advantage of the earlier announcement over apple but they're going to just let apple rake in the earlier pre orders.
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preorders are already open on the sprint website and have been for a couple days http://www.sprint.com/landings/samsung_note4/index.html?ECID=vanity:galaxynote4
blame the carrier if yours isn't available for preorder yet.

tft said:
for one, it's pretty obvious they need time to produce hundreds of thousands of them first., on top of that, each carrier needs time to receive the units and to do their own testing and get samsung to load things on to them, firmware,modems,etc..
surely if they were available right after announced that would mean the device was already in productions many weeks prior and shipped/stocked at all retailers before hand.. this wouldn't make sense..
this is just standard on all electronic and if you ever bought any other piece of electronic in the past, you would have known this is normal practice to announce and then begin shipping out to retailers.
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Well I already stated that I understood why there was a delay for carrier testing but I am talking about those who wish to buy outright. And if Apple and HTC can get their stock out shortly after announcements then why can't Samsung? Saying this is normal practice does not make it acceptable.
The devices shown at the launch were not prototypes, the production process has already begun and could have been stepped up prior to the launch.
Also, it still does not answer the question on pricing, release dates and country availability (for carrier free devices) these things need to be finalised before launch or very shortly after. In my opinion it's all just a tactic to build up some sort of hype

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blame the carrier if yours isn't available for preorder yet.
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Preorder is not the same thing. I only see registration for email alert. Same as T-mobile.

I find it strange that Cellphone carriers do not even concentrate in advertizing for the release of the Note 4.

This is why its nice not having carriers mess and install a bunch of bloat. I don't think carriers mess around with iPhones and install their software on it, so less time wasted on things you don't need or care about. Just get the product out and sell it.
Anyways, just poor planning really, a month is a long time in the tech world and consumer electronic hype wears off fairly fast when something else new and shiny comes out in between then.

apprentice said:
Saying this is normal practice does not make it acceptable.
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People love hyperbole I guess. If it is 'unacceptable' to you then buy an iPhone or HTC product.
Samsung can release its phone any dang time they feel like it - that's their business. If you don't like it, you can not buy it - that's your business.

JasonJoel said:
People love hyperbole I guess. If it is 'unacceptable' to you then buy an iPhone or HTC product.
Samsung can release its phone any dang time they feel like it - that's their business. If you don't like it, you can not buy it - that's your business.
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Well duh.. Thanks for explaining that, I feel so enlightened now.
My point of this post is for debate as to why it happens. We the consumers are entitled to complain. I am looking for logical answers not "If you don't like it buy something else" it's not bringing much to the table.

Thats why i am getting the Iphone 6 over the Note 4, it'll be available sooner and i need a high end phone bad. Good thing is ill be able to sell the iphone 6 at a great price and pick up the note 4 when its out.

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Well duh.. Thanks for explaining that, I feel so enlightened now.
My point of this post is for debate as to why it happens. We the consumers are entitled to complain. I am looking for logical answers not "If you don't like it buy something else" it's not bringing much to the table.
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There is no answer other than that is how samsung chooses to do it.
Could they hold the announcement closer to the physical release? Yes, of course they could. They just prefer to do it this way, for whatever marketing reason.
If the marketing people thought it was strategic to announce closer to physical release, they would. But clearly they don't.

If Samsung "should" copy something apple does, its their method of announcing and SHIPPING a product very quickly post launch. That is their only major issue. Why allow other OEM's to get product out the door and lose sales and yes they do lose sales and now that apple is going big and bigger on their phones next week with a launch before the Note 4 hits stores that is a big deal and some would be Note 4 buyers will get a 5.5" iphone instead, (dumb move, but it's their choice).
I fully agree with the OP and carriers are very likely the issue. Negotiations would likely have been done already, in the US anyways its likely more about last minute bloatware and who has a "bigger" tower than anything else.

I blame Verizon, for everything lol.

Apple has more control over the carriers.
Apple has more control over the carriers and the supply chain, that is why their rollouts are quicker.

iPhone 6 on the 19th
I thought this thread would be exploding with comments about how Apple can do it in less than 2 weeks.
Anything over 30 days is crazy. The battery life on my Note 2 fading away, I've been eligible for an upgrade for months.
Now that I know the specifics of the Note 4 it has given my a chance to look at other phones S5, G3, M8 or wait for Nexus X.
The longer I wait the less likely that I'll make an 'impulse buy' I'm still excited about the Note 4 but I'm weighting the cost vs features.
What's up with the pre order pages on Samsung.com and Sprint.com? Did I actually pretty order or was it just an email notification? I didn't even receive an email confirmation.