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Hello. Please be gentle. I'm new to Systemless Root and need some clarification. I've done a lot of reading about it but still need some info. Im not bashing anything or anyone, I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I'm genuinely confused. From the vague installation process I read somewhere it seems that u already need to be Rooted with TWRP installed to install Systemless Root. Right? So what's the point of rerooting a phone thats already rooted? I would think it would be more useful to have it as another root method. So we can start off Locked and Unrooted, then use Systemless to root. Currently my N6 is locked and Unrooted because I have no use for Root at the moment yet all of my previous Android phones have been unlocked and rooted. Please explain to me what I'm missing here. Thanks guys. Happy New Year to u.
TokedUp said:
Hello. Please be gentle. I'm new to Systemless Root and need some clarification. I've done a lot of reading about it but still need some info. Im not bashing anything or anyone, I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I'm genuinely confused. From the vague installation process I read somewhere it seems that u already need to be Rooted with TWRP installed to install Systemless Root. Right? So what's the point of rerooting a phone thats already rooted? I would think it would be more useful to have it as another root method. So we can start off Locked and Unrooted, then use Systemless to root. Currently my N6 is locked and Unrooted because I have no use for Root at the moment yet all of my previous Android phones have been unlocked and rooted. Please explain to me what I'm missing here. Thanks guys. Happy New Year to u.
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Read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63197935&postcount=2 and this http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344 for starters. BTW Google is your friend and you can`t be rooted to use systemless root and obtain root.
I'm probably a lot less experienced than gee2012 and many others in the forum, but here's my very high-level understanding. I hope that the more knowledgeable members can add to or correct this as necessary.
First, you need to unlock the device (fastboot oem unlock), since you can't do much with a locked device. Not only that, but time and time again I've read pleas from users saying "My device is bricked and I didn't unlock it so I can't now enable developer options" - the responses have been generally "Sorry, you're stuffed then, send it back". Unlocking wipes the device, so make backups of whatever essential data you have.
You don't need to install TWRP permanently in order to root. I myself (after asking members for advice) temporarily booted into TWRP (fastboot boot twrp.img - when you reboot from TWRP it disappears and you're back to stock recovery). While TWRP is temporarily running, you can use it to install SuperSU.
The benefit of the new SuperSU (and also doitright's systemless root method) is that it maintains a stock system image, so in theory you have the benefits of superuser root but you can still get OTA updates, which are now much more frequent because of the security amendments. Chainfire (the SuperSU creator) says that he was able to install an OTA after having used the SuperSU unroot function, though he then had to re-root.
Hope this helps - and that it's correct...
dahawthorne said:
I'm probably a lot less experienced than gee2012 and many others in the forum, but here's my very high-level understanding. I hope that the more knowledgeable members can add to or correct this as necessary.
First, you need to unlock the device (fastboot oem unlock), since you can't do much with a locked device. Not only that, but time and time again I've read pleas from users saying "My device is bricked and I didn't unlock it so I can't now enable developer options" - the responses have been generally "Sorry, you're stuffed then, send it back". Unlocking wipes the device, so make backups of whatever essential data you have.
You don't need to install TWRP permanently in order to root. I myself (after asking members for advice) temporarily booted into TWRP (fastboot boot twrp.img - when you reboot from TWRP it disappears and you're back to stock recovery). While TWRP is temporarily running, you can use it to install SuperSU.
The benefit of the new SuperSU (and also doitright's systemless root method) is that it maintains a stock system image, so in theory you have the benefits of superuser root but you can still get OTA updates, which are now much more frequent because of the security amendments. Chainfire (the SuperSU creator) says that he was able to install an OTA after having used the SuperSU unroot function, though he then had to re-root.
Hope this helps - and that it's correct...
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Thanks man. That makes certain things more understandable. The thing I still don't understand is the actual install process. I'm am stock, so ur saying I would just have to unlock BL then temp flash TWRP to flash the SU zip? If not what are the exact steps for installing?
BTW I'm on 6.0.1 MMB29K
TokedUp said:
Thanks man. That makes certain things more understandable. The thing I still don't understand is the actual install process. I'm am stock, so ur saying I would just have to unlock BL then temp flash TWRP to flash the SU zip? If not what are the exact steps for installing?
BTW I'm on 6.0.1 MMB29K
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- Enable OEM UNLOCK in developer options and enable usb debugging
- Unlock the bootloader
- Reboot
- Flash TWRP (2.8.7.1 is the lastest afaik)
- Message by TWRP to modify the system, click no
- optional: If you format data you decrypt the phone (will wipe all files completely), reboot after if you choose to do so
- In TWRP flash the latest systemless superSU.zip (2.66) zip, link http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344
- TWRP will say you`re not rooted, ignore it
- Reboot
- Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done.
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- Enable OEM UNLOCK in developer options and enable usb debugging
- Unlock the bootloader
- Reboot
- Flash TWRP (2.8.7.1 is the lastest afaik)
- Message by TWRP to modify the system, click no
- optional: If you format data you decrypt the phone (will wipe all files completely), reboot after if you choose to do so
- In TWRP flash the latest systemless superSU.zip (2.66) zip, link http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344
- TWRP will say you`re not rooted, ignore it
- Reboot
- Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done.
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I don't want to be that guy but USB debugging is not needed to unlock the BL,it is only needed while in Android os
holeindalip said:
I don't want to be that guy but USB debugging is not needed to unlock the BL,it is only needed while in Android os
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True, but i always enable it by default
gee2012 said:
- Enable OEM UNLOCK in developer options and enable usb debugging
- Unlock the bootloader
- Reboot
- Flash TWRP (2.8.7.1 is the lastest afaik)
- Message by TWRP to modify the system, click no
- optional: If you format data you decrypt the phone (will wipe all files completely), reboot after if you choose to do so
- In TWRP flash the latest systemless superSU.zip (2.66) zip, link http://forum.xda-developers.com/apps/supersu/wip-android-6-0-marshmellow-t3219344
- TWRP will say you`re not rooted, ignore it
- Reboot
- Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done.
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Thank you so much!
TokedUp said:
Thank you so much!
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Tip: instead of flashing TWRP you can also boot it up ( fastboot boot nametwrp.img) to flash zip files and keep your stock recovery if you want to.
@gee2012 - "Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done"
I still don't get what exactly Busybox offers. I've been running fine on Marshmallow for several months without it. I installed it once because it was suggested as a fix for the constant nagging of AutomateIt Pro to reboot, and it made no difference, so I uninstalled it again.
Can you (or anyone) give me specific examples if where it actually makes a difference? Which functions won't work without it? I haven't come across any yet as far as I know.
Busybox is the space efficient way of the basic Unix commands like ln, pwd, chown, chmod, etc. So all apps that want to do some low level file system dabbling, like Android terminal, Titanium backup, or Linux installs, they need it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox
From Marshmallow, Android now uses toybox instead by default, which is quite the same, with a little different licensing. It's also in the AOSP source, so all user built AOSP roms already have toybox, so there's no need for busybox to install.
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@gee2012 - "Install BusyBox from Play and you`re done"
I still don't get what exactly Busybox offers. I've been running fine on Marshmallow for several months without it. I installed it once because it was suggested as a fix for the constant nagging of AutomateIt Pro to reboot, and it made no difference, so I uninstalled it again.
Can you (or anyone) give me specific examples if where it actually makes a difference? Which functions won't work without it? I haven't come across any yet as far as I know.
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Apps like Rom Toolbox Pro, Franco Kernel Updater and Kernel Adiutor and lots of other application like Xposed framework (and its modules) and most (if not all) of the custom roms will not work (correctly) without BusyBox. All custom roms anyway have a BusyBox version by default installed Busybox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BusyBox and https://www.google.nl/url?sa=t&rct=...6Z0ltw&usg=AFQjCNG-nKYoEI3kiDm4pgtRWbXFRTpI6A for instance.
Its an essential app for when you are rooted and want to do more with your phone and its not smart to not install it
Thanks, both. I like istperson's comment best : "there's no need for busybox to install." That would be why I haven't seen any negative impact from not having Busybox then. Still, money well spent to help development...
I'm currently on a stable build of Oxygen OS 5.0.2 Oreo and I was thinking of rooting my phone using Magisk.Most of the guides that I've seen had users root using a nougat based version of OOS or they were on beta. I'll have to unlock the bootloader and flash TWRP but this is where the confusion comes in - Can I root a stable build of OOS? Will I have to switch to beta to root? Also, I'm a little scared about whether this DM-Verity issue will arise or not if I try to root or flash TWRP. So can someone please explain what that Issue really is and will it arise in my case? And if someone can just give me a guide on how to root it, I'll really appreciate it. And are there any known issues which arise after successfully rooting OOS 5.0.2?
No obstacles in rooting stable OOS and no problems should arise after doing it. You just need to make a backup of all your data, unlock bootloader, flash TWRP, flash Magisk and go.
If you trigger dm-verity, tyou have two choices - either ignore it on every reboot or follow a guide about removing it.
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I'm currently on a stable build of Oxygen OS 5.0.2 Oreo and I was thinking of rooting my phone using Magisk.Most of the guides that I've seen had users root using a nougat based version of OOS or they were on beta. I'll have to unlock the bootloader and flash TWRP but this is where the confusion comes in - Can I root a stable build of OOS? Will I have to switch to beta to root? Also, I'm a little scared about whether this DM-Verity issue will arise or not if I try to root or flash TWRP. So can someone please explain what that Issue really is and will it arise in my case? And if someone can just give me a guide on how to root it, I'll really appreciate it. And are there any known issues which arise after successfully rooting OOS 5.0.2?
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All things that you are mentioning show clearly that you didn't pay attention to all the basic info for rooting a 3/3T.
Why do u need a guide for Oreo, when you have a guide for nougat?
It's exactly the same method.
Also DM verity is just a warning, so why to be scared.
Maybe you should avoid doing something that you don't understand.
Unleashed by my rooted OP3T on 8.0
RASTAVIPER said:
All things that you are mentioning show clearly that you didn't pay attention to all the basic info for rooting a 3/3T.
Why do u need a guide for Oreo, when you have a guide for nougat?
It's exactly the same method.
Also DM verity is just a warning, so why to be scared.
Maybe you should avoid doing something that you don't understand.
Unleashed by my rooted OP3T on 8.0
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Well I had a Redmi 2 before this and when I tried to root my lineage Os based on oreo with magisk using the same method I used with Nougat, i bricked my device. So that's why i was a little apprehensive. But thank you for your response.
przemcio510 said:
No obstacles in rooting stable OOS and no problems should arise after doing it. You just need to make a backup of all your data, unlock bootloader, flash TWRP, flash Magisk and go.
If you trigger dm-verity, tyou have two choices - either ignore it on every reboot or follow a guide about removing it.
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Will I run into trouble with xposed or substratum on OOS?
anshikohri said:
Will I run into trouble with xposed or substratum on OOS?
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No, if you use compatible modules and themes. I had no problems using both on OOS. Please note that if you install Xposed, you won't be able to use SafetyNet protected apps (Android Pay, Pokemon Go, Snapchat (you have to login before installing Xposed to make it work) etc.).
anshikohri said:
Well I had a Redmi 2 before this and when I tried to root my lineage Os based on oreo with magisk using the same method I used with Nougat, i bricked my device.
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You aren't being specific enough when you say "same method". The general method is often similar. But you will virtually never use the exact same steps when rooting different Android builds (such as Nouget vs. Oreo). In particular, you always need to use updated versions of files for TWRP and Magisk. By definition, the root exploits will change between Android versions. So using old version Magisk is basically asking for a "soft brick". Not a real brick. It usually just means you need to use the correct version Magisk in order to recover. Or at worst, flash recovery image (or restore TWRP backup - which you should always have a backup of the stock ROM before rooting) then root with the proper files. Don't know anything about your old phone - but I'll guess this is what happened (which is a common enough scenario).
Similarly, you should also use the most current version TWRP. Older versions may sometimes work, depending on the situation. But Oreo (vs. Nougat) in particular, TWRP had to be updated to be compatible. Meaning you must use a Oreo-compatible version of TWRP to avoid problems. Short story, use current version TWRP to avoid problems.
Current versions are:
TWRP 3.2.1-0
Magisk v16.0
Also proceed with the knowledge that this device is very hard to brick. Just flashing TWRP and Magisk will not brick it (not a true brick anyway - a "soft" brick is easy to recover from as already described). Just make sure you are using Magisk for the OP3/3T (not some other device) and the risk is virtually zero. Even in the case of a brick, this device has an unbricking tool. Just be sure to take the following precautions:
- Make a TWRP backup of the stock ROM before you flash Magisk (always amazed at how many folks skip this!) or otherwise have the stock recovery image available in case anything happens. Basically always have a backup plan!
- Find the unbrick tool, and again have it available (at least bookmarked) in case you need it.
- Most importantly, read and understand all the steps and concepts before you begin. As another already mentioned, it seems your knowledge about some of the concepts is a bit lacking.
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anshikohri said:
Most of the guides that I've seen had users root using a nougat based version of OOS or they were on beta.
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Beta or Stable doesn't matter. I don't know if I've ever seen a root guide specific to the Beta version, so I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
As far as the guides being for Nougat, I've already addressed that above. Basically, everything is the same, except the file versions (use updated TWRP, Magisk) so that is why nobody has bothered posting new guides for every OOS build.
anshikohri said:
Also, I'm a little scared about whether this DM-Verity issue will arise or not if I try to root or flash TWRP.
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DM-verity is just a warning screen that appears when you reboot or power-on the phone. It will go away and continue to boot normally after 5 seconds, or just press the power button to dismiss the warning.
Once the phone has TWRP and rooted, you will have the DM-verity warning screen. If you like, you can flash a patched boot image, so you don't see the DM-verity warning screen on reboot/power-on.
You will also have a very similar (but separate) warning screen once the bootloader is unlocked. Unlike the DM-verity screen, the bootloader unlocked warning is impossible to be removed. The only way to remove it is to relock the bootloader, which I would strongly warn you not to do on a modified (TWRP and root) device! The bootloader unlock warning screen is just something you live with if you are rooted (just wait the 5 seconds or press the power button to skip it).
There is also the unlikely event that DM-verity will outright prevent the OS from booting. But this shouldn't happen just from flashing TWRP and Magisk (at least not if you've done it properly). Even if this happens, just restore your TWRP backup, or flash recovery image, and start over - checking what you did (cause you probably did something wrong).
anshikohri said:
And are there any known issues which arise after successfully rooting OOS 5.0.2?
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This is so vague, as to make it hard to figure out what you are even asking.
In short, No.
Long answer: Some apps will not work with root, such as banking apps and Netflix. But the Magisk "Hide" feature should work to conceal root and make these apps work. It's a whole topic in itself, so read up in existing threads if this applies to you, and you want more info.
Other than that, there isn't anything with Magisk root that I would consider an "issue" and make me want to unroot.
redpoint73 said:
You aren't being specific enough when you say "same method". The general method is often similar. But you will virtually never use the exact same steps when rooting different Android builds (such as Nouget vs. Oreo). In particular, you always need to use updated versions of files for TWRP and Magisk. By definition, the root exploits will change between Android versions. So using old version Magisk is basically asking for a "soft brick". Not a real brick. It usually just means you need to use the correct version Magisk in order to recover. Or at worst, flash recovery image (or restore TWRP backup - which you should always have a backup of the stock ROM before rooting) then root with the proper files. Don't know anything about your old phone - but I'll guess this is what happened (which is a common enough scenario).
Similarly, you should also use the most current version TWRP. Older versions may sometimes work, depending on the situation. But Oreo (vs. Nougat) in particular, TWRP had to be updated to be compatible. Meaning you must use a Oreo-compatible version of TWRP to avoid problems. Short story, use current version TWRP to avoid problems.
Current versions are:
TWRP 3.2.1-0
Magisk v16.0
Also proceed with the knowledge that this device is very hard to brick. Just flashing TWRP and Magisk will not brick it (not a true brick anyway - a "soft" brick is easy to recover from as already described). Just make sure you are using Magisk for the OP3/3T (not some other device) and the risk is virtually zero. Even in the case of a brick, this device has an unbricking tool. Just be sure to take the following precautions:
- Make a TWRP backup of the stock ROM before you flash Magisk (always amazed at how many folks skip this!) or otherwise have the stock recovery image available in case anything happens. Basically always have a backup plan!
- Find the unbrick tool, and again have it available (at least bookmarked) in case you need it.
- Most importantly, read and understand all the steps and concepts before you begin. As another already mentioned, it seems your knowledge about some of the concepts is a bit lacking.
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Beta or Stable doesn't matter. I don't know if I've ever seen a root guide specific to the Beta version, so I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
As far as the guides being for Nougat, I've already addressed that above. Basically, everything is the same, except the file versions (use updated TWRP, Magisk) so that is why nobody has bothered posting new guides for every OOS build.
DM-verity is just a warning screen that appears when you reboot or power-on the phone. It will go away and continue to boot normally after 5 seconds, or just press the power button to dismiss the warning.
Once the phone has TWRP and rooted, you will have the DM-verity warning screen. If you like, you can flash a patched boot image, so you don't see the DM-verity warning screen on reboot/power-on.
You will also have a very similar (but separate) warning screen once the bootloader is unlocked. Unlike the DM-verity screen, the bootloader unlocked warning is impossible to be removed. The only way to remove it is to relock the bootloader, which I would strongly warn you not to do on a modified (TWRP and root) device! The bootloader unlock warning screen is just something you live with if you are rooted (just wait the 5 seconds or press the power button to skip it).
There is also the unlikely event that DM-verity will outright prevent the OS from booting. But this shouldn't happen just from flashing TWRP and Magisk (at least not if you've done it properly). Even if this happens, just restore your TWRP backup, or flash recovery image, and start over - checking what you did (cause you probably did something wrong).
This is so vague, as to make it hard to figure out what you are even asking.
In short, No.
Long answer: Some apps will not work with root, such as banking apps and Netflix. But the Magisk "Hide" feature should work to conceal root and make these apps work. It's a whole topic in itself, so read up in existing threads if this applies to you, and you want more info.
Other than that, there isn't anything with Magisk root that I would consider an "issue" and make me want to unroot.
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That certainly cleared all my doubts and my inhibitions. Thank you so much for taking the time to address my questions.
anshikohri said:
That certainly cleared all my doubts and my inhibitions. Thank you so much for taking the time to address my questions.
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You're certainly welcome. There is a "Thanks" button you can click for any posts that you found helpful, if you care to do so.
And a constructive criticism on forum etiquette: please don't quote a whole huge long post, like you did for my response. I know it's the default when responding to include a quote. But simply delete what isn't directly relevant (maybe keep a few lines, as appropriate) in the interest of keeping the forum free of clutter; and avoid folks have having to scroll down a whole screen/page which is just my post in duplicate. You can still edit the previous post, if you like.
Good luck on rooting. I'm sure it will go fine. Welcome to the dark side.
redpoint73 said:
And a constructive criticism on forum etiquette: please don't quote a whole huge long post, like you did for my response. I know it's the default when responding to include a quote. But simply delete what isn't directly relevant (maybe keep a few lines, as appropriate) in the interest of keeping the forum free of clutter; and avoid folks have having to scroll down a whole screen/page which is just my post in duplicate. You can still edit the previous post, if you like.
As you can see, I'm new to this, so forgive me. I'll keep this in mind the next time I post something and Thank You for your advise and your help.
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redpoint73 said:
You aren't being specific enough when you say "same method". The general method is often similar. But you will virtually never use the exact same steps when rooting different Android builds (such as Nouget vs. Oreo). In particular, you always need to use updated versions of files for TWRP and Magisk. By definition, the root exploits will change between Android versions. So using old version Magisk is basically asking for a "soft brick". Not a real brick. It usually just means you need to use the correct version Magisk in order to recover. Or at worst, flash recovery image (or restore TWRP backup - which you should always have a backup of the stock ROM before rooting) then root with the proper files. Don't know anything about your old phone - but I'll guess this is what happened (which is a common enough scenario).
Similarly, you should also use the most current version TWRP. Older versions may sometimes work, depending on the situation. But Oreo (vs. Nougat) in particular, TWRP had to be updated to be compatible. Meaning you must use a Oreo-compatible version of TWRP to avoid problems. Short story, use current version TWRP to avoid problems.
Current versions are:
TWRP 3.2.1-0
Magisk v16.0
Also proceed with the knowledge that this device is very hard to brick. Just flashing TWRP and Magisk will not brick it (not a true brick anyway - a "soft" brick is easy to recover from as already described). Just make sure you are using Magisk for the OP3/3T (not some other device) and the risk is virtually zero. Even in the case of a brick, this device has an unbricking tool. Just be sure to take the following precautions:
- Make a TWRP backup of the stock ROM before you flash Magisk (always amazed at how many folks skip this!) or otherwise have the stock recovery image available in case anything happens. Basically always have a backup plan!
- Find the unbrick tool, and again have it available (at least bookmarked) in case you need it.
- Most importantly, read and understand all the steps and concepts before you begin. As another already mentioned, it seems your knowledge about some of the concepts is a bit lacking.
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Beta or Stable doesn't matter. I don't know if I've ever seen a root guide specific to the Beta version, so I'm not even sure what you are talking about.
As far as the guides being for Nougat, I've already addressed that above. Basically, everything is the same, except the file versions (use updated TWRP, Magisk) so that is why nobody has bothered posting new guides for every OOS build.
DM-verity is just a warning screen that appears when you reboot or power-on the phone. It will go away and continue to boot normally after 5 seconds, or just press the power button to dismiss the warning.
Once the phone has TWRP and rooted, you will have the DM-verity warning screen. If you like, you can flash a patched boot image, so you don't see the DM-verity warning screen on reboot/power-on.
You will also have a very similar (but separate) warning screen once the bootloader is unlocked. Unlike the DM-verity screen, the bootloader unlocked warning is impossible to be removed. The only way to remove it is to relock the bootloader, which I would strongly warn you not to do on a modified (TWRP and root) device! The bootloader unlock warning screen is just something you live with if you are rooted (just wait the 5 seconds or press the power button to skip it).
There is also the unlikely event that DM-verity will outright prevent the OS from booting. But this shouldn't happen just from flashing TWRP and Magisk (at least not if you've done it properly). Even if this happens, just restore your TWRP backup, or flash recovery image, and start over - checking what you did (cause you probably did something wrong).
This is so vague, as to make it hard to figure out what you are even asking.
In short, No.
Long answer: Some apps will not work with root, such as banking apps and Netflix. But the Magisk "Hide" feature should work to conceal root and make these apps work. It's a whole topic in itself, so read up in existing threads if this applies to you, and you want more info.
Other than that, there isn't anything with Magisk root that I would consider an "issue" and make me want to unroot.
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Hi my oneplus 3t is on Oreo 5.0.2. I flashed twrp recovery nd super su root but when I restarted the phone it's stuck on black screen with white oneplus logo.what should I do now?my phone is going into twrp recovery
Should I flash stock oos 5.0.2 from twrp recovery? Pls guide
mannulko said:
Hi my oneplus 3t is on Oreo 5.0.2. I flashed twrp recovery nd super su root but when I restarted the phone it's stuck on black screen with white oneplus logo.what should I do now?my phone is going into twrp recovery
Should I flash stock oos 5.0.2 from twrp recovery? Pls guide
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Please don't include page-long quotes in your post. For that matter, don't quote my posts at all, if you aren't going to refer to it, or read it.
And please only post your problem to one thread, per forum rules. It will be answered. Making more posts, will NOT get your question answered any faster. It will just confuse those trying to help you, and confuse you; jumping around to 4 different threads.
I rooted the e5 plus using this method: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...o-e5-plus-rhannah-backup-magisk-root-t3822702
This was different from what I'm used to as normally TWRP replaces the stock recovery and then root is applied. Here, TWRP is only used in fastboot and not applied permanently.
A couple of questions:
Since recovery is not replaced, can this device receive OTA updates with no issues?
Can a normal factory reset be done without soft bricking the device?
If I want to install zip files for mods etc, can I use the fastboot temp TWRP to do this and it will still work?
Are there any actions/caveats that should be done or avoided with this TWRP method?
Excuse my ignorance but I'm sure someone else may have the same question and I'd rather not brick my device.
Thank you.
shezzy83 said:
I rooted the e5 plus using this method: https://forum.xda-developers.com/mo...o-e5-plus-rhannah-backup-magisk-root-t3822702
This was different from what I'm used to as normally TWRP replaces the stock recovery and then root is applied. Here, TWRP is only used in fastboot and not applied permanently.
A couple of questions:
Since recovery is not replaced, can this device receive OTA updates with no issues?
Can a normal factory reset be done without soft bricking the device?
If I want to install zip files for mods etc, can I use the fastboot temp TWRP to do this and it will still work?
Are there any actions/caveats that should be done or avoided with this TWRP method?
Excuse my ignorance but I'm sure someone else may have the same question and I'd rather not brick my device.
Thank you.
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OTA won't work if rooted, you'll have to flash stock boot or flash full stock ROM.
Flashing twrp causes issues because of avb and dm-verity
TWRP won't have access to data because of encryption and won't be able to write to system.
Basically you're only booting twrp to make a backup and then use Magisk to patch your boot.img for root. From there you can install magisk modules and Xposed as well as any apps you use that need root.
You might use the TWRP installer within Android to install TWRP but it didn't boot for me on my E5 Plus.
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Basically you're only booting twrp to make a backup and then using Magisk to patch your boot.img for root.
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Ok so that's the answer I was looking for. TWRP is ONLY for backing up in our case since it doesn't have access. Therefore, none of what I asked about will work.
shezzy83 said:
Ok so that's the answer I was looking for. TWRP is ONLY for backing up in our case since it doesn't have access. Therefore, none of what I asked about will work.
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These Moto e5 + posts have become pointless.
No method works and if root does work it will have issues. The original poster can't fix the issue because they don't know what they are talking about half the time.
We need better people on here who can make a video or explain how to do this without ****ing with our heads ?
Like a person who knows what they are doing with that exact phone model and are not just saying **** for a post ?
Contact me if you need real help fixing these people's mistakes [not root] "fix a bricked phone"!
I have TA-1046 with unlocked bootloader (and uninstalled Magisk before try Pie update)...
Pie stable i installed before using adb sideload OTA file (B2N-322C-0-00WW-B01-update.zip) from this thread
Before some days i have notification with OTA October update, but instalation after download failed(screenshot), tryed several times and on more different wifi connection...
Then i also try adb sideload file B2N-322D-0-00WW-B01-update.zip (from same thread as before install Pie stable) and too failed, this method show more info(screenshot):
"Package is for source build 00WW_3_22C but expected 0001_3_22C
Installation aborted"
In Settings/System/AboutPhone/AndroidVersion i have right build_number: 00WW_3_22C (screenshot)
I read in some other threads that someone have same problem, but without reaction, then a create rather this dedicated thread...
Anyone have same problem? And anyone have please sollution for this?
Please don't write if don't have this problem or tips for sollution, keep this thread clean for finding sollution, thanks
UPDATE: Thanks to TomThePhysicist is problem solved, here is howto...
Same problem and I didn't find any solution yet.
Try this : (works for a similar error in 6.1+):
Rename the package to B2N-322D-0-00WW-B01-322C-0-00WW-B01-update.zip
Put in root of internal storage, go to dialer and dial *#*#874#*#*
If it can't find the file, use the original name and re-dial.
I hope it works, please confirm so others can use it.
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It worked for me mate! Thank you
k3dar7 said:
I have TA-1046 with unlocked bootloader (and uninstalled Magisk before try Pie update)...
Pie stable i installed before using adb sideload OTA file (B2N-322C-0-00WW-B01-update.zip) from this thread
Before some days i have notification with OTA October update, but instalation after download failed(screenshot), tryed several times and on more different wifi connection...
Then i also try adb sideload file B2N-322D-0-00WW-B01-update.zip (from same thread as before install Pie stable) and too failed, this method show more info(screenshot):
"Package is for source build 00WW_3_22C but expected 0001_3_22C
Installation aborted"
In Settings/System/AboutPhone/AndroidVersion i have right build_number: 00WW_3_22C (screenshot)
I read in some other threads that someone have same problem, but without reaction, then a create rather this dedicated thread...
Anyone have same problem? And anyone have please sollution for this?
Please don't write if don't have this problem or tips for sollution, keep this thread clean for finding sollution, thanks
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It happened with me but at that time my device was restoring applications after hard reset. Once the restoration was completed, it auto installed.
Gravemind2015 said:
Try this : (works for a similar error in 6.1+):
Rename the package to B2N-322D-0-00WW-B01-322C-0-00WW-B01-update.zip
Put in root of internal storage, go to dialer and dial *#*#874#*#*
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thanks, tried but not success...
update file is found and update process is starting, but after small wait in 17% is stoped and show error window...
tried with dialing and also keep on root of internal storage and reboot, this show notify about system update (not ota notify) with same behavior as dialer method...
jaskiratsingh said:
It happened with me but at that time my device was restoring applications after hard reset. Once the restoration was completed, it auto installed.
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thanks, i not yet try hard reset now, only before ~month while sideload Pie 3.22C, try wait ~week if find or someone sollution without HR...
proteus119 said:
It worked for me mate! Thank you
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you have unlocked bootloader?
Worked for me too, thanks!
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you have unlocked bootloader?
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Are you rooted? It's weird, it works for some people but not for others.
I'm trying to guess it it's variant specific or maybe having root is the issue (it's expected on a rooted system).
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Gravemind2015 said:
Are you rooted? It's weird, it works for some people but not for others.
I'm trying to guess it it's variant specific or maybe having root is the issue (it's expected on a rooted system).
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i have rooted (using install official Magisk zip release in only booted TWRP) before, when i see first OTA update notification, then i unroot using MagiskManager Uninstall Complete...
then all update i trying (OTA wireless, adb sideload, dial and reboot with file in root with your filename) is without Magisk/MagiskManager installed, "only" with unlocked bootloader
wriggler_ said:
Worked for me too, thanks!
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you have unlocked bootloader?
k3dar7 said:
you have unlocked bootloader?
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Nope.
Hard reset won't solve it. Do not bother
k3dar7 said:
thanks, i not yet try hard reset now, only before ~month while sideload Pie 3.22C, try wait ~week if find or someone sollution without HR...
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I might have a clue on this. I upgraded to Pie from a rooted state (the OTA allowed me exceptionally to upgrade from Oreo to Pie and I said why not!). Now after installing Magisk Manager I noticed that Magisk is already installed! This might be the reason behind this annoying error.
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I might have a clue on this. I upgraded to Pie from a rooted state (the OTA allowed me exceptionally to upgrade from Oreo to Pie and I said why not!). Now after installing Magisk Manager I noticed that Magisk is already installed! This might be the reason behind this annoying error.
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ok, i go try OTA dial update after install Magisk
edit: same as without Magisk, failed at 17%...
Of course it should fail. What I mean is it fails because we don't have stock boot. Like in Oreo when it was not possible to use OTA with patched boot, it is not available for Pie. They just made it available for Oreo to Pie update and that has messed everything up.
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ok, i go try OTA dial update after install Magisk
edit: same as without Magisk, failed at 17%...
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I was on an unlocked bootloader with Magisk installed and encountered the same update failed error. I tried uninstalling Magisk via total uninstall and ended up soft bricking the phone, unable to apply any OTA update. The firmware flashing tool also did not work. The good news was I was still able to access Download Mode and Fastboot mode. I ended up sending it to the service center after relocking the bootloader and they flashed the official firmware at no charge. The phone then updated to Pie on first boot after downloading the update, and then wanted to update to the October update after a restart. The weird thing is the October update failed again, inspite of locked bootloader and no root! However, when I checked the phone few hours later, the update seems to have gone thru just fine. Not sure why this October update is a bit wonky. I agree with the above poster; not having patched boot is the issue here. However, we should be able to get this by extracting payload.bin and using magisk to patch the file.
For now, I am back on a locked bootloader and no root. Awaiting more stability in the unlocking/rooting scene before I try again. Unless Nokia releases official bootloader unlock, I will have to firmware flash back to Oreo, as both A/B partitions are occupied by Pie and the hack used to unlock the bootloader has already been patched on Pie.
Hi. Thanks for the input and your detailed comment. The thing is there is no service centre here in my country! So I should do everything my own. But may I ask how you relocked the bootloader?
ganja_guru said:
I was on an unlocked bootloader with Magisk installed and encountered the same update failed error. I tried uninstalling Magisk via total uninstall and ended up soft bricking the phone, unable to apply any OTA update. The firmware flashing tool also did not work. The good news was I was still able to access Download Mode and Fastboot mode. I ended up sending it to the service center after relocking the bootloader and they flashed the official firmware at no charge. The phone then updated to Pie on first boot after downloading the update, and then wanted to update to the October update after a restart. The weird thing is the October update failed again, inspite of locked bootloader and no root! However, when I checked the phone few hours later, the update seems to have gone thru just fine. Not sure why this October update is a bit wonky. I agree with the above poster; not having patched boot is the issue here. However, we should be able to get this by extracting payload.bin and using magisk to patch the file.
For now, I am back on a locked bootloader and no root. Awaiting more stability in the unlocking/rooting scene before I try again. Unless Nokia releases official bootloader unlock, I will have to firmware flash back to Oreo, as both A/B partitions are occupied by Pie and the hack used to unlock the bootloader has already been patched on Pie.
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Hi. Thanks for the input and your detailed comment. The thing is there is no service centre here in my country! So I should do everything my own. But may I ask how you relocked the bootloader?
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Sure, I followed the instructions here https://www.techmesto.com/lock-nokia-android-bootloader/ . However, if there is no service center in your country and you don't plan to do a warranty claim, I've read that relocking the bootloader will prevent you from using the firmware flashing tool.
Hi,
I hope somebody can give me a hint.
I just got a used p20 pro with open bootloader but stock rom.
Unfortunately the Google security check has some "problems" with this situation and doesn't allow me to use several apps like Netflix, Google pay, etc.
So I'm looking for a way to easily fix this problem, the phone will be used by my parents.
Either lock the bootloader or "hide" it probably.
But how - I don't have the bootloader code - and I'm not too much into android rooting...
Usefull hints are appreciated.
Merry xmas
Mounty
You're on thin ice my pedigree chum..
Avoid flashing anything that would allow a block of any kind which is an absolute reality.
Having used absolutely every ROM and OS from 8.1 to 10
My advice. Flash AOSIP and then ask in thread to get safety net working.
Literally nothing else it worth your time.
Unless you're strange and like EMUI.
In such case, stuck with stock.
Just be aware you're in a position that a lot of people would kill for.
Google have done some **** stuff to make people who have unlocked bootloader a nightmare. I don't think there is a way to hide it unless you use Magisk
mounty77 said:
the phone will be used by my parents.
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If they are not some kind of advanced users, unlocked bootloader has exactly 0 added value for them. Search the forum for flushing methods, the ones that will warn you that this method re-locks the bootloader, flush the latest stock ROM for your region and live a happy and calm life.
As a suggestion.. Use Magisk with Safety patch and you're done. You can keep the bootloader unlocked and still bypass google restrictions. (Install apps like netflix, etc.)
My phone is on 9.0.1.328 and works fine.
Horayken said:
As a suggestion.. Use Magisk with Safety patch and you're done. You can keep the bootloader unlocked and still bypass google restrictions. (Install apps like netflix, etc.)
My phone is on 9.0.1.328 and works fine.
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Hi,
Thx so far, I think I'll try the magisk thing.
Are there any downsides on this? Will Ota updates still work?
I already downloaded and installed magisk manager, but I was not able to install magisk via magisk manager.
I downloaded the zip file and tried to install it.
But I only got the attached error.
I think I have to patch something?!
Any advise?
Thx
Mounty
mounty77 said:
Hi,
Thx so far, I think I'll try the magisk thing.
Are there any downsides on this? Will Ota updates still work?
I already downloaded and installed magisk manager, but I was not able to install magisk via magisk manager.
I downloaded the zip file and tried to install it.
But I only got the attached error.
I think I have to patch something?!
Any advise?
Thx
Mounty
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You need to patch the ramdisk recovery file with magisk, flash it and you are good to go. It's a 5 min procedure. Let me know if you need more help with that.
This way you will hide your unlocked bootloader and you will pass safetynet.
Only downside is that if there is an ota update you will need to flash the original ramdisk recovery, do the ota and then do ramdisk recovery file patch again.
If you lock the bootloader then you won't be able to unlock it again as you won't have the code (unless you got the code from the previous owner too).
abyssq said:
You need to patch the ramdisk recovery file with magisk, flash it and you are good to go. It's a 5 min procedure. Let me know if you need more help with that.
This way you will hide your unlocked bootloader and you will pass safetynet.
Only downside is that if there is an ota update you will need to flash the original ramdisk recovery, do the ota and then do ramdisk recovery file patch again.
If you lock the bootloader then you won't be able to unlock it again as you won't have the code (unless you got the code from the previous owner too).
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Hi,
thx for your offer/advise. I’ll try this way - it sounds most promising to me.
Can I do this on the mobile only, or do I need a pc?
Where / How do I find the ramdisk recovery?
BL Lock
I can lock (yes, lock) your bootloader for free.
Contact me at Telegram (@AntiEngineer), you don't need to open up your device.
abyssq said:
You need to patch the ramdisk recovery file with magisk, flash it and you are good to go. It's a 5 min procedure. Let me know if you need more help with that.
This way you will hide your unlocked bootloader and you will pass safetynet.
Only downside is that if there is an ota update you will need to flash the original ramdisk recovery, do the ota and then do ramdisk recovery file patch again.
If you lock the bootloader then you won't be able to unlock it again as you won't have the code (unless you got the code from the previous owner too).
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Hi,
unfortionatly I wasn´t sucessfull till now.
At https://openkirin.net/ is a very usefull description availaible but I´m still searching for the RAMDISK Extract. I found that database where you can donwload several versions, but mine wasn´t provided there
https://pro-teammt.ru/en/online-firmware-database/
My Version is:
CLT-L29
10.0.0.138 (C432E3R1P3log)
Anybody knows where I can download that`?
Best regards
mounty
@mounty77
You are on Android 10 Beta?
Root on Android 10 Beta not working for me.
You are on Android 10 Beta?
Root on Android 10 Beta not working for me.
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No Root, just unlocked bootloader... I want to hide the unlock of the bootloader
mounty77 said:
No Root, just unlocked bootloader... I want to hide the unlock of the bootloader
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Installing a "RECOVERY_RAMDIS.img" patched with Magisk is rooting the phone.
I´m fine if i have to root it to hide the open bootloader