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Hi. Just bought a Kaiser after moving on from my old Hermes.
Seems like there are a few differences in the way the button lights operate. It seems that when a call or SMS/alert comes in the button lights (call end/pickup etc) do not come on - only the screen light does.
Does anyone know how to make these lights come on as well?
Cheers.

No-one else have this problem?

I concur this is true, but I don't know how one would solve it. To me it isn't a problem.

Not a problem here either...
...Just press the OK button under the THUMP WHEEL when you get a call if you need the buttons to light up.
TEC

Now this is probably me missing an obvious setting BUT - I liked to set my Hermes to have the keyboard lit up all the time when open. But I've tried various combinations of settings and cannot get the Kaiser's to stay on. In pitch darkness I fumble a bit as it goes off after only a few seconds and anyway I like that blue glowy keyboard even in daylight (not as bright as Hermes though ) Anybody got a setting to make it stay on??
Mike
Oooh I like asking newbie questions again

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awharton said:
Hi. Just bought a Kaiser after moving on from my old Hermes.
Seems like there are a few differences in the way the button lights operate. It seems that when a call or SMS/alert comes in the button lights (call end/pickup etc) do not come on - only the screen light does.
Does anyone know how to make these lights come on as well?
Cheers.
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I have posted on this subject both here and at Modaco (See my Front panel lights post) and no one seems to reply so I can only assume that no one can find a solution.

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water wave produced when press on the screen

HI all, I dont know if anyone has this situation...
Everytime I press on the screen, the screen generates a bit like a water wave and the situation is just like pressing on a LCD monitor.
My old M3100 doesnt have this situation...how about u guyz? do you have water wave when u press on your tytn ii?
thanks

Hmmm, maybe it's because you ARE pressing on a LCD screen... I never press hard enough to see it, but I'm sure it would.

Yea seriously, how hard are you pressing? I don't think you need to be pressing nearly as hard as you are. I can see the ripple if I press really hard, but that much force isn't necessary for your taps to be recognized (and its probably not good for the screen).

I was going to post about this earlier. I too have this problem. I owned an 8525 before, and it never rippled unless you were exerting massive force.
My current Tilt you barley tap it (like say, you are touching the dial pad to call someone) and it has two large ripples happening.
Is this normal for everyone? I called ATT about this, and they just sent me a new one. I just haven't opened the new one yet.

I found this out cos I am using my finger to use the Touchflo...I didnt apply a very aggressive pressure on it...I even see the ripple when I slide the keyboard out. Is it normal?

no its not normal if you are pressing softly and having wave like that. Please do the warranty exchange.

iservealot said:
I was going to post about this earlier. I too have this problem. I owned an 8525 before, and it never rippled unless you were exerting massive force.
My current Tilt you barley tap it (like say, you are touching the dial pad to call someone) and it has two large ripples happening.
Is this normal for everyone? I called ATT about this, and they just sent me a new one. I just haven't opened the new one yet.
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HI have u tested your new Tilt yet?

iservealot said:
I was going to post about this earlier. I too have this problem. I owned an 8525 before, and it never rippled unless you were exerting massive force.
My current Tilt you barley tap it (like say, you are touching the dial pad to call someone) and it has two large ripples happening.
Is this normal for everyone? I called ATT about this, and they just sent me a new one. I just haven't opened the new one yet.
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AT&T just sends you a new phone without even asking for the old one back?

I've seen the small ripple when sliding the screen out. Maybe it's the magnetic switch..who knows. Doesn't happen all the time.

I have uploaded a video on youtube about my screen problem
I only pressed it gently on the screen.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=b03x2VldcmI
Do you guyz have this problem?

Anyone? it seems I am the only one to have this problem...

Hi
It depends on the LCD panel, there are different types of panel, some will ripple when pressed or distorted even very slightly others don't.
The problem with asking others is there are at least two different types of LCD panel used in the Kaiser. One we know to be transreflective that works in direct sunlight and looks kind of green rather than black when off, and one that's not transreflective that is black when off and doesn't work too well in direct sunlight. These panels may well be using different LCD technologies in other ways meaning not everyone will see the same as you.
Mine isn't transreflective and doesn't do this, so perhaps you have a transreflective type that also ripples under pressure. It isn't a fault with the LCD display, rather HTC sourcing whatever types of panel they can get at the time for the cheapest price. You wouldn't normally use a panel that ripples when pressed on a touch screen for obvious reasons, but HTC have. Maybe it was a shortage in supply and there are not many that use this type?
Regards
Phil

It shouldn't happen. Exchange it.

Sane said:
AT&T just sends you a new phone without even asking for the old one back?
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They charge you for the second one and then refund it when they receive the old one.

greenbep said:
They charge you for the second one and then refund it when they receive the old one.
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They sent my second one out to me at no charge. They forgot to include the shipping labels...again... so they will probably just end up letting me keep the device.
Anyhow, my Tilt ripples exactly in the same place that the video showed, and in the same way.

iservealot said:
They sent my second one out to me at no charge. They forgot to include the shipping labels...again... so they will probably just end up letting me keep the device.
Anyhow, my Tilt ripples exactly in the same place that the video showed, and in the same way.
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Is the ripple gone for your second one?

Where is your Tilt made?
What's the model code under the battery (ie. KAIS300)?

JwY said:
Where is your Tilt made?
What's the model code under the battery (ie. KAIS300)?
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Mine is from orange uk...sounds like I am not the only one who has this problem.

PhilipL said:
Hi
It depends on the LCD panel, there are different types of panel, some will ripple when pressed or distorted even very slightly others don't.
The problem with asking others is there are at least two different types of LCD panel used in the Kaiser. One we know to be transreflective that works in direct sunlight and looks kind of green rather than black when off, and one that's not transreflective that is black when off and doesn't work too well in direct sunlight. These panels may well be using different LCD technologies in other ways meaning not everyone will see the same as you.
Mine isn't transreflective and doesn't do this, so perhaps you have a transreflective type that also ripples under pressure. It isn't a fault with the LCD display, rather HTC sourcing whatever types of panel they can get at the time for the cheapest price. You wouldn't normally use a panel that ripples when pressed on a touch screen for obvious reasons, but HTC have. Maybe it was a shortage in supply and there are not many that use this type?
Regards
Phil
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We don't know this at all, there apparently are at least two screen types but neither was transreflective, both blew out in direct sun.
The ripple is a function of the thickness of the glass screen. Since liquid crystal displays work by electrostatic twisting of a liquid suspension of quartz crystals thereby bending the light to allow it to pass thru polarizing filters, any physical movement of this suspension will also cause visible light artifacts. So if the front panel is lighter weight material, it will show more "ripples" if pressed firmly.

Hi
The ripple is a function of the thickness of the glass screen. Since liquid crystal displays work by electrostatic twisting of a liquid suspension of quartz crystals thereby bending the light to allow it to pass thru polarizing filters, any physical movement of this suspension will also cause visible light artifacts. So if the front panel is lighter weight material, it will show more "ripples" if pressed firmly.
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There are different technologies used in the production of LCD panels and how the glass is spaced to give room to create the pockets for the liquid crystal.
Some displays "water" when you press them, others don't, it depends on what the type of LCD display it is. My monitor at work can be pressed and nothing happens, my one at home is the opposite. It's not hard to find this explained on the internet.
The Kaiser is using different types of display using different technologies. Typically for touch screen applications (unless the display as a touch glass front) would not be of the type to ripple when pressed for the reason it will be pressed and flexed, but obviously HTC is supplying anything they can get.
Regards
Phil

incall screen off app..like iphone????

the iphone switches the screen off when it goes to your head then turns back on when u take it away. is there a simple app for this??

Phone lacks the proximity sensor the iPhone has. Fortunately, it has a plethora of other useful features (a keyboard, picture messages, etc.)

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Phone lacks the proximity sensor the iPhone has. Fortunately, it has a plethora of other useful features (a keyboard, picture messages, etc.)
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To add on to that the phone also goes to sleep when the call is connected and its just a matter of pressing the power button to get it to wake up again.

mine doesnt

Well mine has always went black when it goes up to my ear, but it would be nice if it came back on when removed from my ear.. although we dont have a proximity sensor, i dont see why it coulnt work with the gsensor/accelerometer. all it would have to do is go on when the phone is put back in the upright position

jok3sta said:
Well mine has always went black when it goes up to my ear, but it would be nice if it came back on when removed from my ear.. although we dont have a proximity sensor, i dont see why it coulnt work with the gsensor/accelerometer. all it would have to do is go on when the phone is put back in the upright position
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is there a setting for this?

is it possible to in fact use the light sensor? it obviously recognizes something when it turns off, maybe write up something saying "when dark below 'x' threshold, turn off screen. when bright above threshold, screen on. you would have to press the screen somewhat snugly to your face, but it sure beats nothing.

vader165 said:
is it possible to in fact use the light sensor? it obviously recognizes something when it turns off, maybe write up something saying "when dark below 'x' threshold, turn off screen. when bright above threshold, screen on. you would have to press the screen somewhat snugly to your face, but it sure beats nothing.
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It should be possible, but no one has done anything with the light sensor of turning it back on. I'm thinking that the polling of the light sensor turns off when the screen is in standby. If we can somehow get that to work in only incall (so it doesn't have battery issues), then it should work, when it goes from little light to more light, it should act as close to phone to far away from phone.

One could even use 2 sensors for it? Maybe the Light-Sensor and the G-Sensor. So when u bring the phone to your ear the light gets dark an the position upright. (the phone turns the screen off) And as soon as it get brighter and the position is change to normal (whatever that is ) it turns back on.
I reall would love to write something like that. But so far i have no clue of writing anything for that phone. Does anyone know a tutorial for writing software for a pda?
Thx

Come on guys this would be soooo great

jok3sta said:
Well mine has always went black when it goes up to my ear, but it would be nice if it came back on when removed from my ear.. although we dont have a proximity sensor, i dont see why it coulnt work with the gsensor/accelerometer. all it would have to do is go on when the phone is put back in the upright position
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It doesn't actually do that when you put it up to your ear. It's a WinMo setting to put the phone in standby after a call is launched or received. What you preceive as behavior is actually a timing thing.

The guy from pocket shield managed to combine these two sensors, g-sensor and light sensor, to work together as locking/unlocking behavior.
maybe some g-sensor and lumos code can handle this thing... and create one cab solution here...

if some one could write this code it would be an AWESOME addition to the Phone. I would personaly love this as im sure many others would.
Thanks.

this is a bit late, but here's a cool app that i've found...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488991

no its not too late. if people look around they would have found it.

aonavy said:
the iphone switches the screen off when it goes to your head then turns back on when u take it away. is there a simple app for this??
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searching is your friend
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488991

warri said:
searching is your friend
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=488991
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reading is your friend..look at the dates posted

What are you TD2 users doing about accidental touches?

Just curious...in the TD1, I used S2U2 to avoid accidental touches to the screen but as the TD2 already has the side to answer/end .. what do you use now?
I'm having a few issues I did when I got the first diamond where if someone calls, or you call out via bluetooth, the phone screen turns on
Usually end up hanging up on someone when I call them because the screen touches the pouch/pocket etc
I think there are a few apps to disable screen apart from hard keys etc - just curious what the majority use

akash_84 said:
Just curious...in the TD1, I used S2U2 to avoid accidental touches to the screen but as the TD2 already has the side to answer/end .. what do you use now?
I'm having a few issues I did when I got the first diamond where if someone calls, or you call out via bluetooth, the phone screen turns on
Usually end up hanging up on someone when I call them because the screen touches the pouch/pocket etc
I think there are a few apps to disable screen apart from hard keys etc - just curious what the majority use
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Is there a tweak for this in ACT? With my t pro when a call goes thru the screen goes dark almost immediatly, so I have the opposite prob as I need to use the kp to enter numbers sometimes. I could see where using bt it could be an issue tho.

I was wondering if the D2 came with a proximity or light sensor to disable/turn off the screen while it is against your face. I hate my Elfin.... I'm always pressing things with my face and getting into all kinds of menus.
My brothers Behold has sensors that shut the screen off. As of recently I have been pressing the power button to turn off the screen after I answer. Can't wait till mine ships on the 11th.

HTC Touch Freak said:
I was wondering if the D2 came with a proximity or light sensor to disable/turn off the screen while it is against your face. I hate my Elfin.... I'm always pressing things with my face and getting into all kinds of menus.
My brothers Behold has sensors that shut the screen off. As of recently I have been pressing the power button to turn off the screen after I answer. Can't wait till mine ships on the 11th.
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I asked the same question in another thread, and would be very curious about the answer, especially since gsmarena.com does not mention it as a feature, in comparison to the D1.
the iPhone has this feature...and I really can't imagine the D2 to do not have it. I hope I won't be surprised negatively.

i presume it does
Bearing in mind it automatically dims the backlight, and increases it. It must have one somewhere!.

Juggles said:
Bearing in mind it automatically dims the backlight, and increases it. It must have one somewhere!.
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I sure hope. I read that the Touch Pro2 has it so I'm hoping that the TD2 does also. If not that would be a shame. Good thing I'm getting used to pressing the power button right after I answer.

The D2 does come with a proximity light that dims the screen. If you look at the manual it's listed in the diagram specs page as well.

DaBountyHunter said:
The D2 does come with a proximity light that dims the screen. If you look at the manual it's listed in the diagram specs page as well.
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Sweeeet!!!

DaBountyHunter said:
The D2 does come with a proximity light that dims the screen. If you look at the manual it's listed in the diagram specs page as well.
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that sounds really great! but does it mean that it's inactivated too? dimming is indeed good, especially in the dark not to have a glowing ear - but i was wondering if, with the dimming, comes the inactivation of the screen too, in order to avoid accidental pressing of buttons with the ear/face.

[Q] NOOB: How to understand if KFHD is off or on (with screen off)?

I'm absolutely sure there is an easy way, but I cannot see it right now.
The problem is: if I look at my KFHD and see a black screen I have no way of understanding if it is off or on.
The recommended way is "press the power button", but the effect of that action is that the KFHD turns immediately on!
Other devices have a "short press"/"long press" different behaviour (short press and the screen comes on, or nothing happens if the device is turned off / long press to turn the device on), but this is not the case with the KFHD.
Pressing the volume buttons does not help.
Any good idea?
Am I the only one believing this is a problem?
EDIT: I'm on CM10.1

Not really a direct answer, but figured I'd throw it out there anyway.... You could get a case that has the magnetic opener. When you open such a case, the screen turns on if the device is on, but of course will stay off if it is powered down.

JulianPaoloThiry said:
You could get a case that has the magnetic opener. When you open such a case, the screen turns on if the device is on, but of course will stay off if it is powered down.
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Very cool idea! :good:
Do you happen to know where the sensor is located? (assuming the device is in landscape, with camera in the center of the top edge)
I'm asking because I could test with a small magnet and see how it may work out
EDIT: Found out! After a number of attempts, I realised the sensor is centered, a bit more than 1 inch from the bottom edge. It definitely works! Thanks again