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Hello, I have a HTC TILT running WM 6.1 that I have purchased from ebay.
Recently I have noticed the 'E' - edge icon in the top right of my phone.
I am wondering if I might be being using any 'data' while this is on because I am not paying for an unlimited data plan.
I have searched and tested several programs...
Bandswitch - supposed to allow me to change the bands im using, however I have tried all of the settings and I still get the edge icon.
KaiserTweak - I have disabled Media Net and the other options
NoData - I have disabled ATT ISP GPRS, Media Net, and My Connection
And further more I have manually deleted the settings of these three under ... start - settings - connections - advanced - select networks - edit
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thoughts? Am I still potentially using data?
ps, off topic - I have always turned my phone 'off' while using wifi and browsing... would I be using JUST the wifi connections while connected?
my my...dude you've got to read the manual that comes with the device. if you don't have the manual, i think you can download it as a pdf.
to put it simply, windows mobile tells you about your currently in-use connections and currently available connections in the following way.
all you have to do is look at TWO icons to get a full idea of whats going on.
FIRST ICON:
in the top bar, going from left to right, you will see a BIG icon that will show one of the following:
1. big "G" (this means that GPRS is AVAILABLE on the cell tower your phone is currently connected to)
2. big "E" (this means that EDGE is AVAILABLE on the cell tower your phone is currently connected to)
3. big "H" (this means that HSDPA/3G is AVAILABLE on the cell tower your phone is currently connected to)
4. a transmitting tower kind of icon (this means that your WIFI is ON. if WIFI is CONNECTED, the transmitting tower icon will have some arrows on it)
5. two arrows pointing away from each other and occasionally spinning indicates that the device is connected to your PC via ActiveSync.
summary: this first icon tells you which data speed is AVAILABLE on your phone network OR that WIFI is on and whether or not you are connected to some WIFI access point OR the current status of the ActiveSync connection.
SECOND ICON:
immediately to the right of the first icon described above, you will see an icon showing your phone signal strength. on the top-left corner of this icon, you will see one of the following mini-icons:
1. small "Y" shaped triangular symbol (the device is simply connected to a cell tower and your phone should be able to dial out and receive calls)
2. small "G" (this means you are connected to GPRS...your data connection may be in use. see summary below.)
3. small "E" (this means you are connected to EDGE...your data connection may be in use. see summary below.)
4. small "H" (this means you are connected to HSDPA/3G...your data connection may be in use. see summary below.)
5. small phone receiver icon (a call is in progress)
summary: this icon exclusively shows what your device is doing with the phone network.
PUTTING THE 2 TOGETHER:
if WIFI is on and connected (you can tell by looking at the first icon) AND your data connection is available and connected (by looking at the second icon), then the device uses WIFI, to the best of my knowledge. if ActiveSync is connected AND WIFI is connected AND your data connection is connected, then the device uses the ActiveSync connection to the best of my knowledge.
its really not that difficult to understand once you grasp the concept. hope this helps.
I appreciate the help, thank you. I bought it from ebay so i just got the model and the charger.
however...
1. small "Y" shaped triangular symbol (the device is simply connected to a cell tower and your phone should be able to dial out and receive calls)
2. small "G" (this means you are connected to GPRS...your data connection may be in use. see summary below.)
3. small "E" (this means you are connected to EDGE...your data connection may be in use. see summary below.)
4. small "H" (this means you are connected to HSDPA/3G...your data connection may be in use. see summary below.)
5. small phone receiver icon (a call is in progress)
summary: this icon exclusively shows what your device is doing with the phone network.
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I understand...kind of... "your data connection may be in use" ...
im just looking for a yes or no really. If im texting and just calling and i have an EDGE icon will I be billed for extra data usage?
If the E is in a big square then it's just showing network connected to, if the E is above the signal bars then your data is connected to the network... Since you say using no data i imagine first is applicable
You was already given a rundown and on that info should be able to make your own assumption since we can't see your phone....
Texts and calls don't get charged for data "unless 3G call Video", you would need to be using an application that uses data to be charged for it.
godsp33d said:
Bandswitch - supposed to allow me to change the bands im using, however I have tried all of the settings and I still get the edge icon.
KaiserTweak - I have disabled Media Net and the other options
NoData - I have disabled ATT ISP GPRS, Media Net, and My Connection
And further more I have manually deleted the settings of these three under ... start - settings - connections - advanced - select networks - edit
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WOOOWW
to connect to gprs/3g internet, you have to have correct settings, most importantly apn. this is what those tweaks do; they change your apn from correct for example "internet" to "internet00" so only what you really have to do is, make sure it's that way. or no settings at all. withour correct apn you won't connect. nodata works pretty reliable with doing so.
Alright, I really need some help from the big boys here.
I have had my N1 since release. I have T-Mobile and no data plan. Everything I do is over wifi.
On Friday, I saw the 3g icon on my phone for the first time. It appeared out of nowhere and just flips between 3G and E since T-Mobile just blocks data for non-plan users. This was killing the battery life of the phone.
I called Google and they ran me through *#*#4636#*#* to disable the data connection. This fixed the problem for a while; However after a while the phone will give a message that there is no service provider and will reconnect to T-Mobile (it has never done this before outside of phone boots). When it is back up the 3G/E cycling starts again. Even worse the data connection still lists as disabled and will not re-enable. I have to pop the battery out while it is running to get back in to disable it.
Google thinks its an app but I have removed everything but Touchdown and K9 which I don't think are the problem. I have used Android OS Monitor and I do see connections to 64.15.75.218 and 209.44.107.13 which are hot beds for malware and when I uninstall any app these connections vanish temporarily. But they come back after a few hours.
Anyone seen this before or know a way to track IP connections to a particular app?
I have no solution for tracing 'malicious' software but it is possible to just disable all mobile data usage.
Settings/Wireless and network settings/ Mobile networks > "Data enabled"
If you unselect this there should be no more data transfer while on the mobile network.
I do not have that option. Google Rep said it was only in froyo.
Problem is I did the same thing for 2.1 but it keeps coming back on. Even with wifi the phone connects to these ips so who knows what it is doing.
3G isn't used only for data, you can do voice on 3G.
Could be T-Mobile expanding 3g into your are where you didn't have coverage before.
Call T-Mobile and make sure you're not actually using data.
As for tracking applications, you can use System Panel Pro of the market to monitor how much data applications are using.
I know I am not using data. The T-Mobile account page is pretty detailed and I am unable to do anything online when wifi is off. 3G has also been available for a while here as I know others that use it.
I will check out system panel.
Thanks.
UmbraeSoulsbane said:
I do not have that option. Google Rep said it was only in froyo.
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It is indeed only on Froyo, however, Froyo is out now, so install it and you'll instantly benefit.
A few more things:
Were you receiving or sending MMS (picture/video messages) when the 3G icon popped up? This is normal and doesn't usually come out of your data balance.
If you'd like to be triple-sure you're not using data, go into the APN settings. Edit the APN name - e.g. change tmobile.com to nomobile.com. Now it *really* shouldn't be able to access data.
Smarphones would be well to do to have a Zonealarm/little snitch type app for this purpose.
Id imagine ad based apps wouldnt be too happy about it. At the least an app that reports IPs times , and IN/OUT info.
I never use SMS or mms and have not gotten any during this time.
My concern is not related to getting charges but with unwanted use of my phone or data. When the data connection auto enables it will go through my battery in a matter or hours and who knows what the phone may be doing.
I know I can turn this off and make sure data is not used - in fact I have already done this. However when smoke enters room you don't just put a towel under the door and forget about it. I want to find the source of this and stop it because the behavior is not normal.
I agree something like zone alarm would be good. You should be able prevent or track an app activities for situations like this. If I knew what was connecting to these IPs and enabling the data connection I could stop it and report the app or submit a bug request. Right now I am just all alone.
I did try system panel which seems like a nice app but it does not give me good information on network usage by app. OSMonitor is better at connection monitoring but doesn't list by app. Why has no one thought to monitor network threads by app?
Try alogcat maybe? Any time you notice the icon suddenly appearing, save a copy of the logcat and comb through it.
alogcat may work. Figured out OSMonitor had something similar and filtered by app.
Now I just gotta wait I guess. Still not enough info to relate to IP though.
You should know that the data connection setting isn't an enforcement for the entire phone. It only acts as a notice to applications on whether or not to use data in the background.
Developers are supposed to respect those settings, but they are not enforced.
There is a free program called Network Statistics which is no longer in the market. I will backup the apk for you and upload it so you can use it. It shows the amount of data used by each app.
I too had a data hungry app issue and this helped me solve it immediately.
I'm just at work ATM, so I'll do it this evening. (Almost midday now here in Australia )
Cheers,
Ross
@JCopernicus
I am aware of this which is why I want to track this problem down.
@Ross
That sounds great. I appreciate the help. Not sure if tracking data usage is enough since I don't think the app is sending a lot of data. But I am willing to try anything.
I should be getting froyo soon so maybe that will help as well.
This is what I do when I want to ensure I don't use Data. Go I. To wireless connections. Mobile Networks, and then access points. Create a new one. I usually call it No Data. The for the apn, I just make something dumb, like no.data.com, and then save. After I'll select that as my apn.
The issue is not about the use of the data connection. I have done this and can guarantee the phone cannot use any cell data network. The problem is an app is trying to use it anyway even when it is disabled. Even if you ignore that as a concerning activity the constant 3G searching reduces the battery life to a mere hours.
I appreciate the help, but my issue is not with how to disable the data connection. Its about identifying malware on my device, and tracking an app calls to a specific IP.
Again,k 3g doesn't mean data. 3g is also used for voice.
If you only want to use "2g" switch your phone over to gsm only through 4636 or through the menu where it says "use 2g only".
You will never see the 3g icon again.
If you wan't to be 100% sure no app is calling an IP, then do a factory reset. Install apps one by one, monitor them through the various options given in this thread already.
You will not be able to prevent an application from "calling home" unless you modify the app itself. Apps use the data connection provided to them by the OS however they see fit.
Every app you install has a permissions prompt that will tell you it want's internet access.
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Again,k 3g doesn't mean data. 3g is also used for voice.
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The Android "3G", "H", "E" or "G" icon denotes data. It may also appear temporarily when making the connection necessary to transmit MMS. It does not appear when the phone is using voice over 3G without a data connection.
Actually, this may be a T-Mobile issue - they just enabled the ability to do "pay as you go" data on ALL plans without a data plan, so they may be the ones turning on the ability to do data. You'd still need to authorize it in your browser, and I think it costs about $1/1MB so it is totally not worth it.
May be worth looking into because it wouldn't surprise me if their new "service" is screwing things up.
I am aware of 3G voice but the 3G status icon is related to data flow. I have had the phone since launch and posted this because this behavior is not normal. Even Google was perplexed by what it is doing. And as I said it is not constrained by the 4636 settings.
And I disagree that an app can use the network connection as they see fit. Rights are given to perform its intended purpose; anything else is malicious.
Hi.
Is there any way for our android device to automatically start using mobile data even if its connected to a WIFI network, like it does in Iphone and Blackberry.
There are times you go to a certain location and having used their wifi before, your phone automatically connects to it only to find out that no data is transmitting and you can sit there for hours not realizing your phone is disconnected from the internet whereby, in BB or iphone, the phone just switches over to mobile data and keeps you online.
Most apps available just toggle wifi on and off but none I've seen can keep WIFI connected and still use mobile data.
Any help will be appreciated
There is an option, that the phone only connects to wifi if there is a good connection (under wlan --> advanced )
Hope this helps.
Same problem (but inverse)
Hi everybody,
I'm facing the same problem, just inverse: when the phone "considers" the wifi signal "too weak", it automatically switches to mobile data (even if the latter are disabled), the result is the mobile frequently drop the connection in some places at home where the signal is a little less intense.
In my phone, the option mentioned by Marc199 doesn't exist (or isn't displayed)...
What can I do?
Is there a way to access "hidden" settings like the one mentioned?
Thanks for your answers!
Marc199 said:
There is an option, that the phone only connects to wifi if there is a good connection (under wlan --> advanced )
Hope this helps.
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albi99 said:
Hi everybody,
I'm facing the same problem, just inverse: when the phone "considers" the wifi signal "too weak", it automatically switches to mobile data (even if the latter are disabled), the result is the mobile frequently drop the connection in some places at home where the signal is a little less intense.
In my phone, the option mentioned by Marc199 doesn't exist (or isn't displayed)...
What can I do?
Is there a way to access "hidden" settings like the one mentioned?
Thanks for your answers!
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Well, you can always use the quick settings to turn off the mobile data.
albi99 said:
Hi everybody,
I'm facing the same problem, just inverse: when the phone "considers" the wifi signal "too weak", it automatically switches to mobile data (even if the latter are disabled), the result is the mobile frequently drop the connection in some places at home where the signal is a little less intense.
In my phone, the option mentioned by Marc199 doesn't exist (or isn't displayed)...
What can I do?
Is there a way to access "hidden" settings like the one mentioned?
Thanks for your answerns!
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Well, there might be a chance that HTC removed (or never implemented) this feature. I'm using a GPE ROM.
If you mean the developer options, they won't be any use to you.
BestSignal Wifi-->Mobile Data App
I just installed BESTSIGNAL on my **HTC ONE M7**from the developer of the same name (BestSignal).
It's the paid version but only AUD1.99 and it works well, simple yet highly functional GUI. However it was not compatible on my Google Nexus 7 (2012) nor my ASUS Transformer TF700T so be sure to check your device compatibility.
As a XDA newbie I'm not allowed to include active HTML links so the App URL extension is: details?id=com.eightythirty.bestsignal and the Dev's is: developer?id=BestSignal
I have Startbucks WiFi added to the list of WiFi networks on my S2. As many of you probably know, Startbucks WiFI requires users to click through an "Accept and Connect" screen before allowing them to access Internet. Now, I notice that when I walk into a Startbucks with my S2, it pops up two identical standard notifications about being unable to access Internet and WiFi network requiring user attention (or something along those lines).
So, why am I seeing two identical notifications every time? Is this something about my setup? Or is it just a quirk of Samsung version of the ROM?
Does anyone know of an app that will automatically turn off mobile data when i'm successfully connected to a WiFi connection have have internet access through it.
The app should do something like this...
1. Check for WiFi connection
2. If WiFi = connected, then test WiFi connection
3. If connection = Good, then turn off Mobile Data, else leave Data connection ON
If you suggest Tasker, then you better follow it up with a full write-up on how to set it up on Tasker.
I believe (someone will correct me if I'm wrong) that Android is programmed to use wifi when it's available, even though your data connection looks as if it's on.
If you're not happy with that, Automate It should be able to do something for you. I have Automate It Pro set to turn off wifi & data at midnight, for example, to avoid the nuisance of emails pinging me in the middle of the night. And it switches wifi & sync on at 09:00 each day. Very useful tool, simpler than Tasker, so no tutorial from me...
There are a few Automate apps in the Play Store - it's this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=AutomateIt.mainPackage
This free version allows you 3 (as I recall) triggers - if you need more it's not too expensive to buy Pro.
I use RadioControl to handle that for me.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nikhilparanjape.radiocontrol&hl=en
It requires root, and it's not perfect. But it works well enough for me.
[NG]Owner
Try smart radio xposed module.
pr0ndigy said:
Does anyone know of an app that will automatically turn off mobile data when i'm successfully connected to a WiFi connection have have internet access through it.
The app should do something like this...
1. Check for WiFi connection
2. If WiFi = connected, then test WiFi connection
3. If connection = Good, then turn off Mobile Data, else leave Data connection ON
If you suggest Tasker, then you better follow it up with a full write-up on how to set it up on Tasker.
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Tasker does it pretty simply, but it needs root access..
Set up (2) tasks - I called mine Data Off & Data On. You will need to select "Net/Mobile Data" and then set "On" or "Off" respectively. Next set up your profile. Select "State/Net/Wifi Connected", and leave everything empty and save. This will trigger the profile when any wifi is connected. (Optionally, you could set it to your home or work wifi, etc). Your "task" will be "Data Off", then add an "exit task" for "Data On" (by long pressing the Data On and selecting "exit task").
dahawthorne said:
I believe (someone will correct me if I'm wrong) that Android is programmed to use wifi when it's available, even though your data connection looks as if it's on.
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^^^^ This. Android has done this for years. Some devices have the ability to keep mobile data on with wifi, but those usually default to OFF.
Note in the screenshot below that my Cellular network state (mobile data) is "Disconnected"
Pkt_Lnt said:
^^^^ This. Android has done this for years. Some devices have the ability to keep mobile data on with wifi, but those usually default to OFF.
Note in the screenshot below that my Cellular network state (mobile data) is "Disconnected"
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Interestingly, I bring up the same screen on my phone (when connected to wifi) and it shows cellular is still connected??
jbaumert said:
Interestingly, I bring up the same screen on my phone (when connected to wifi) and it shows cellular is still connected??
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Do you have a ROM that has that option and it is enabled?
Pkt_Lnt said:
Do you have a ROM that has that option and it is enabled?
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Running SIX ROM - Just checked, that option is disabled in the Dev Settings / connected to good wifi / and cellular is active...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Now it is a question for that rom dev.