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I bought this phone over the Note 4 because of permanent root capability.
Now I'm finding that AT&T locked the bootloader and locked down rooting.
Is it even possible or do I now own a piece of junk?
I hate touchwiz, I wanna install a real rom...
changoland said:
I bought this phone over the Note 4 because of permanent root capability.
Now I'm finding that AT&T locked the bootloader and locked down rooting.
Is it even possible or do I now own a piece of junk?
I hate touchwiz, I wanna install a real rom...
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If it's already on stock 5.0, then yes. Currently no root methods avaliable.
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If it's already on stock 5.0, then yes. Currently no root methods avaliable.
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That sucks, I assumed at first that it came out of the box at 5.0, but it must have updated to 5.0 when it restored all my apps through Google during initial setup. Word to the wise: Don't sign into Google on your first boot if you ever want to root this phone! I never had the opportunity, now I've gotta sell a brand new phone, ugh
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That sucks, I assumed at first that it came out of the box at 5.0, but it must have updated to 5.0 when it restored all my apps through Google during initial setup. Word to the wise: Don't sign into Google on your first boot if you ever want to root this phone! I never had the opportunity, now I've gotta sell a brand new phone, ugh
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Not to rub it in, but since other people may read your advice: It is not google or restoring the application that upgraded the phone to 5.0. You most likely got an OTA (over the air update) notice from AT&T which prompted you to update, then you did it, and updated your phone to lollipop.
najoor said:
Not to rub it in, but since other people may read your advice: It is not google or restoring the application that upgraded the phone to 5.0. You most likely got an OTA (over the air update) notice from AT&T which prompted you to update, then you did it, and updated your phone to lollipop.
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Not to contradict you and come off like an asshole, but that is exactly how I got the 5.0 update. It was fresh out of the box and asked me if I wanted to restore content from my previous phone. I was never prompted for an OTA update and I never in a million years would have ever accepted or agreed to that. I'm just trying to warn anybody else who might end up in the same position I ended up in.
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Not to contradict you and come off like an asshole, but that is exactly how I got the 5.0 update. It was fresh out of the box and asked me if I wanted to restore content from my previous phone. I was never prompted for an OTA update and I never in a million years would have ever accepted or agreed to that. I'm just trying to warn anybody else who might end up in the same position I ended up in.
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I'm sorry, I am not questioning your judgment about this and as always I would like to be wrong about this because then I can I learn something new. The way I understand update mechanisms is that there are three ways things get updated in one's phone: the first is by Google and traditionally Google has only updated parts of the operating system that have to do with Google such as the Play Store or the Google framework etc. and these are considered minor patches to the OS. I have never heard or seen that Google would modify the /system partition as that would defy the entire notion of factory reset. The second is through Samsung. unless you live in certain countries where Samsung sells you a phone unlocked and unattached to a mobile operator the update you get from Samsung is limited to Samsung applications and security patches. Finally, in the United States and countries where phones are sold by cell phone operators the OS update is delegated to the phone companies such as AT&T and t-mobile. that's how you get an update for example from kit Kat to lollipop in the us. there is no documented mechanism that shows how Google can update the OS on a phone sold to you by a phone company. but if you find non anecdotal evidence to the contrary, I would be glad to stand corrected.
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I'm sorry, I am not questioning your judgment about this and as always I would like to be wrong about this because then I can I learn something new. The way I understand update mechanisms is that there are three ways things get updated in one's phone: the first is by Google and traditionally Google has only updated parts of the operating system that have to do with Google such as the Play Store or the Google framework etc. and these are considered minor patches to the OS. I have never heard or seen that Google would modify the /system partition as that would defy the entire notion of factory reset. The second is through Samsung. unless you live in certain countries where Samsung sells you a phone unlocked and unattached to a mobile operator the update you get from Samsung is limited to Samsung applications and security patches. Finally, in the United States and countries where phones are sold by cell phone operators the OS update is delegated to the phone companies such as AT&T and t-mobile. that's how you get an update for example from kit Kat to lollipop in the us. there is no documented mechanism that shows how Google can update the OS on a phone sold to you by a phone company. but if you find non anecdotal evidence to the contrary, I would be glad to stand corrected.
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I mean, I'm not stating that it was Google who pushed this update, it is an AT&T ROM after all. The reality of my situation is that the phone was doing an initial startup and the very first thing that happened was it launched into the initial setup. Once it got to the screen that asked me for my Google login to re-install all the apps that were linked to my account, that was the last time I had any input over the matter. It had to be during this time that the 5.0 update was downloaded/installed as well because this process took about an hour while it downloaded everything. Unfortunately it gives no information about whats going on whatsoever except for showing a splash screen that you can't escape from as it continued to download everything. Once it finished, I was at 5.0. I never once saw the phone operating or a home screen on anything that wasn't 5.0. So it very well could have been that AT&T pushed the OTA update during this process. I just had zero control over what was happening and was never prompted for an OTA update. I just entered my Google credentials, it went to the splash screen, and when it finished it spit me out to the home screen at 5.0.
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I mean, I'm not stating that it was Google who pushed this update, it is an AT&T ROM after all. The reality of my situation is that the phone was doing an initial startup and the very first thing that happened was it launched into the initial setup. Once it got to the screen that asked me for my Google login to re-install all the apps that were linked to my account, that was the last time I had any input over the matter. It had to be during this time that the 5.0 update was downloaded/installed as well because this process took about an hour while it downloaded everything. Unfortunately it gives no information about whats going on whatsoever except for showing a splash screen that you can't escape from as it continued to download everything. Once it finished, I was at 5.0. I never once saw the phone operating or a home screen on anything that wasn't 5.0. So it very well could have been that AT&T pushed the OTA update during this process. I just had zero control over what was happening and was never prompted for an OTA update. I just entered my Google credentials, it went to the splash screen, and when it finished it spit me out to the home screen at 5.0.
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My S5 looks for system updates on the initial setup each time. It probably upgraded to the new OS as your were doing your initial setup of the device.
That's correct it does look for updates on initial setup. I have made it a good practice not to connect to Internet during the initial setup. This will keep it from looking or installing any updates. Updates will not push unless your connected to Internet ( unless it's been days and you keep denying them ).
This is the procedure I follow each time I buy a new phone:
1- Take the sim card out and turn the phone on. If the phone co-operates go to step 3.
2- Put the sim card back in and turn the phone on.
3- During the initial setup decline to connect to WiFi if the phone accepts that.
4- Immediately after the set up is complete, go to Settings -> Security -> security policy updates (or something like that) and turn automatic updates off AND set your preferred networks to WiFi only.
5- go to Settings -> about device -> software update, AND IF THERE IS AN OPTION PRESENT, disable automatic updates.
6- Root the phone if possible. If not move to step 8.
7- After obtaining root, disable the update related apks. They are typically called: LocalFota.apk, FotaClient.apk, SamsungApps.apk, SPDClient.apk, SyncmlD.apk, and wssyncmlnps.apk, or variations of these names. They are all under either /system/app or /system/priv-app.
8- It is now (relatively) safe to connect to the internet.
9- The first time you log in to playstore, quickly go to its settings and disable automatic update.
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This is the procedure I follow each time I buy a new phone:
1- Take the sim card out and turn the phone on. If the phone co-operates go to step 3.
2- Put the sim card back in and turn the phone on.
3- During the initial setup decline to connect to WiFi if the phone accepts that.
4- Immediately after the set up is complete, go to Settings -> Security -> security policy updates (or something like that) and turn automatic updates off AND set your preferred networks to WiFi only.
5- go to Settings -> about device -> software update, AND IF THERE IS AN OPTION PRESENT, disable automatic updates.
6- Root the phone if possible. If not move to step 8.
7- After obtaining root, disable the update related apks. They are typically called: LocalFota.apk, FotaClient.apk, SamsungApps.apk, SPDClient.apk, SyncmlD.apk, and wssyncmlnps.apk, or variations of these names. They are all under either /system/app or /system/priv-app.
8- It is now (relatively) safe to connect to the internet.
9- The first time you log in to playstore, quickly go to its settings and disable automatic update.
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Those are good steps, one side note that i do is i don't connect to Internet until after i sign into Google play and set the update to " do not update ". I also hardly ever connect to the Internet anyhow since my phones data is faster than my slow a$$ Internet. Ha
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Those are good steps, one side note that i do is i don't connect to Internet until after i sign into Google play and set the update to " do not update ". I also hardly ever connect to the Internet anyhow since my phones data is faster than my slow a$$ Internet. Ha
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Yeah, but somehow that never worked for me. Play store doesn't let me log in until I connect to the internet and before logging in I cannot change the settings.
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Yeah, but somehow that never worked for me. Play store doesn't let me log in until I connect to the internet and before logging in I cannot change the settings.
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If you open the play store and log in that way it normally won't, but if you go to settings, accounts, and add your Google account that way, let the phone set about 5 min while it sets up then you should be able to log in.
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That sucks, I assumed at first that it came out of the box at 5.0, but it must have updated to 5.0 when it restored all my apps through Google during initial setup...
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What makes you think it didn't come from at&t with 5.0 already installed? I had to have my phone replaced recently and the new one definitely had 5.0 pre-installed.
I just received one, 5.0 out of the box also.
Ok, so I'm not the only one who received a 5.0 out of the box. too bad AT&T are such pieces of s***
Yeah, I entered this thread with the intention of posting that it was to my understanding that unless you find some old stock somewhere, all new AT&T Galaxy S5s are coming with 5.0 pre-installed.
If the OP had taken an OTA while setting up his phone I'm sure he would have noticed the reboot to recovery and the little Android dude with the blue progress bar under him as his phone updated. OTA updates don't silently install.
The days of walking out of the store with a brand new S5 and rooting it right away have gone away until someone finds a new exploit that will work on the stock 5.0.
I'm looking for a used S5 to use on Straight Talk. I want to root it and use the mobile hotspot feature. Is their a particular build number or kernel I should be looking for? I want to have 5.0 also. Maybe a ROM like Sixperience
THANKS
Downgrade and root?
I had the same issue, replaced my broken S5 and the new one came with 5.0 stock.
Would it possible to downgrade, to 4.4.2 KitKat, root via Towelroot, and then upgrade again? Would be tedious, but I am sick of AT&T's bull****. It's a moral victory as much as just looking for more ease-of-use.
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I had the same issue, replaced my broken S5 and the new one came with 5.0 stock.
Would it possible to downgrade, to 4.4.2 KitKat, root via Towelroot, and then upgrade again? Would be tedious, but I am sick of AT&T's bull****. It's a moral victory as much as just looking for more ease-of-use.
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Not possible as of now
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OK so I have a dual sim version purchased on contract with 3 in the UK.
I keep getting a software update notification saying an update is available however all it consists of is custom apps and a splash screen on start up. I refuse to install this as I was advised that once custom firmware was installed it would delay any further updates as apparently in the UK all the carriers have to approve the update before it gets released.
I'm living in hope that by holding out in this way I might be offered the 146 update sooner.
Now here is the issue....
With my sim card inserted the phone constantly downloads the update and then shows it as waiting to install. I have been able to delete it by going into apps and the software updater however shortly later it downloads again. I have switched off the 'download on WiFi option' however for some reason this keeps switching itself back on again.
Any ideas why it's doing this and how I get around the problem?
Same problem as me however I downloaded mine without realising what it was,looks like I'm stuck on waiting for three to release now,sigh I live chatted with three today and they don't seem to have a clue on the release date.
Hey, the problem is when you are clearing the data from the updater you are also clearing your preferences for auto download over WIFI.
Simple solution is remove your SIM tray, clear the app data, and then disable auto download over WIFI before you put the sim tray back in. In future when you want to check for firmware updates simply remove the sim tray and run the updater again. Running the updater with the SIM tray in will result in you having to start all over again.
Just download it, I have it downloaded and still got the latest 145 update at the same time other networks like EE did.
I.e not installing doesn't mean you get updates sooner.
Phil750123 said:
Just download it, I have it downloaded and still got the latest 145 update at the same time other networks like EE did.
I.e not installing doesn't mean you get updates sooner.
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Appreciate what your saying however I also don't want to install all three's crap on my phone so thats why I don't install it
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Appreciate what your saying however I also don't want to install all three's crap on my phone so thats why I don't install it
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i get it, however the only thing i have noticed is the 3 splash screen which doesnt bother me as i hardly ever reboot.
Not sure if you can do wifi calling with it installed?
Phil750123 said:
i get it, however the only thing i have noticed is the 3 splash screen which doesnt bother me as i hardly ever reboot.
Not sure if you can do wifi calling with it installed?
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As luck would have it I took the 3 SIM out and checked for update with my bt SIM and low and behold it was there.
Just installed and have now switched off auto download on WiFi so hopefully the 3 update won't come through again.
I recently updated to Android 10 on my P30 Pro. Since the update, my mobile data does not switch on after leaving wifi. When I leave a known wifi and try to access the internet, I get a notice I'm offline. I can still receive calls and texts.
I have wiped my cache, reset network settings, and even factory reset. Everything worked fine before update. It works if I restart my phone but that's a hassle every time I need Internet. I have asked in several forums, including Huawei.
Anyone else have this issue? I have 10.0.0.173 software version on VOG-L29 (C185).
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I recently updated to Android 10 on my P30 Pro. Since the update, my mobile data does not switch on after leaving wifi. When I leave a known wifi and try to access the internet, I get a notice I'm offline. I can still receive calls and texts.
I have wiped my cache, reset network settings, and even factory reset. Everything worked fine before update. It works if I restart my phone but that's a hassle every time I need Internet. I have asked in several forums, including Huawei.
Anyone else have this issue? I have 10.0.0.173 software version on VOG-L29 (C185).
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Not sure if related, but I have read a few people saying they had issues with mobile data since updating to 10, and one solution was in the APN settings, the password box was empty rather than showing *********
Don't remember how it was fixed, but possibly look up your carriers APN settings password and enter it into that field
Thanks, I will give it a try.
I reset the APN and removed the prefilled "none" from some settings and every thing is good now. Thanks because I really did not want to rollback.
hatgirl223 said:
I reset the APN and removed the prefilled "none" from some settings and every thing is good now. Thanks because I really did not want to rollback.
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Great
My phone is the VOG-L29 10.0.0.178(C605E19R1P3) and I'm in the U.S. does anyone know how to fix mobile data not working after updating to 10.0.0.178(C605E19R1P3) from 9.1?
*Downloaded the update through the phone UI*
To verify that it was an OS issue I reverted back to 9.1 and the problem went away. So I updated again and it broke. My carrier is AT&T but the signal is fine as I can see the connection strength in the network settings and the SIM is registered. Plus I can see the cell information on the top left of the phone so the sim is definitely recognized. Bought a new sim anyway but the problem persists. Huawei support recommended I just not update my phone and keep it on 9.1 without security patches.
Already did a factory reset after updating to 10 and wiped the cache but that still didn't solve it.
So basically when simply looking at the phone, it appears to be working, until I try to do anything on mobile data. I can even see the send and receive icons being displayed to the right of the AT&T logo at the top left but I can't access the internet. everything else works including Wi-Fi.
This same thing happened when I tried to install 10.0.0.173 over 9.1.
Any ideas on a fix would be great, thank you in advance.
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My phone is the VOG-L29 10.0.0.178(C605E19R1P3) and I'm in the U.S. does anyone know how to fix mobile data not working after updating to 10.0.0.178(C605E19R1P3) from 9.1?
*Downloaded the update through the phone UI*
To verify that it was an OS issue I reverted back to 9.1 and the problem went away. So I updated again and it broke. My carrier is AT&T but the signal is fine as I can see the connection strength in the network settings and the SIM is registered. Plus I can see the cell information on the top left of the phone so the sim is definitely recognized. Bought a new sim anyway but the problem persists. Huawei support recommended I just not update my phone and keep it on 9.1 without security patches.
Already did a factory reset after updating to 10 and wiped the cache but that still didn't solve it.
So basically when simply looking at the phone, it appears to be working, until I try to do anything on mobile data. I can even see the send and receive icons being displayed to the right of the AT&T logo at the top left but I can't access the internet. everything else works including Wi-Fi.
This same thing happened when I tried to install 10.0.0.173 over 9.1.
Any ideas on a fix would be great, thank you in advance.
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Re-enter the passwords on the APNs, it corrupts them, they're supposed to be ******* or something but it enters BLANK, something along those lines, but that's the fix
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Re-enter the passwords on the APNs, it corrupts them, they're supposed to be ******* or something but it enters BLANK, something along those lines, but that's the fix
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That fixed it, I can't thank you enough.
Hello,
I have an Exynos Note9 SM-N960F, no root, factory original software, unbranded, Oreo 8.1. I have disabled firmware upgrades with Package Disabler, because I didn´t want to go to Pie and loose call recording, so I am still on Andoid 8.1.
Now I am planning to upgrade from Android 8.1 to Android 10, but in the process I would like to preserve call recording and also gain WiFi Calling (with I don´t have right now, but my provider ClaroAR does support).
Can you suggest the best firmware fo flash meeting my requirements (call recording + WiFi calling)? I have read tons of threads on XDA, but still It is not clear to me if firmware flashing (with the right firmware, India perhaps??) is enough or I also will need CSC change after flashing. Very confused about this.
More information:
Android version 8.1
Baseband: N960FXXU2ARJ1
Service provider SW ver.:
SAOMC_SM-960F_OXM_XSP_OO_0018
XSP/XSP,XSP/XSP
Also, using Phone Info I get:
Original CSC Code: <blank>
Firmware´s CSC Code: XEU
Active CSC Code: XSP
Thank´s in advance for any help/suggestions.
[UPDATE]: I have checked the command *#272*IMEI*, and it shows a lot of CSCs available, including INS. But I didn´t apply the change. I don´t understand if changing CSC this way will block all future updates to my phone. Also I am not sure if INS CSC does include WiFi Calling...
Google has call recording still disabled https://www.boldbeast.com/forum/topic1877-android-10-call-recording.html
Root you're phone and use Dr's rom
Im on android 10 with automatic call recording works great for me
Wow Oreo!
No problems with battery drains, good manage of connectivities, no problems for recording calls, every thing worked good without any big issues and with the best gestures and camera app ever made for a Samsung with the possibility of recording videos even in pro mode (a feature now returning with S20) ... to be onest, if I could, I'll return to the last version of it because it was perfect!
So, if I was you, I'll try to find on sammobile the last version of oreo for the device and I'll install it with Odin and leave all like this till it dies!
The only thing that not shall be good are the security patches with the phone being stuck on the old ones, but, sincerely, since now I never heard or read in genaral something on security problems that involves OS problems... mostly for hackering, opening emails, going on not safe wifi's and web pages, buying in not safe places or for installing apps (even from the play store) and if this can happen to everyone even having the latest patches, I'm even thinking now that all these security patches are even worthless for a normal consumer unless your a politican, a manager or doing a job that requires the max privacy possible that you can have...
Question: there are several threads about CSC changing via flashing and so on. I wonder if those CSC change method are equivalent to changing it with the command *#272*IMEI# ???
If I go to *#272* on my SM-N960F, I have a long list of CSCs, including INI (India, which eventually I want to change to), but I didn´t apply yet because not sure of the consequences, and if this step is eventually reversible.
By the way, I am considering joedellosso69´s comments about Oreo/Pie/Q, and perhaps I will stay with Oreo, but in order to get WiFi Calling, I think that changing CSC is mandatory... as far as I understand...
Any help? Thank you!
[FIXED] Finally jumped from Oreo to Android 10 and CSC change, without root
Just in case someone is interested, I have finally jumped from Oreo to Android 10, and got Call Recording and WiFi Calling. This is what I have done, step by step:
- Backed up everything
- Took out SIM Card and SD Card
- Factory Reset from bootloader (to kill disabled software updates)
- Started the phone just with the basic data (no restore, etc)
- Checked for updates... Android Pie was there. Installed.
- Reboot. Checked for updates ... October update was there. Installed.
- Reboot. Checked for updates... Android 10 update was there. Installed !!
- Now is time to change CSC
- Factory Reset from bootloader
- Started the phone just with the basic data (no restore, etc)
- Phone booted on CSC=XSP as expected
- Entered *#272*IMEI# and shows CSC=XSP.
- Changed CSC for THL (Thailand). Saved on 2 options: Sales and Network CSC
- Automatically phone factory resets again
- WITHOUT inserting SIM Card, phone starts, now with CSC=THL
- Verified that has Call Recording. VoWiFi does not appear, but it is there. Only appears when you have the SIM Card inserted.
- Power off phone
- Inserted SIM Card and rebooted
- Verify that CSC=THL, and both call recording and VoWiFi working perfectly.
- Restored everything, all perfect, no problems, no battery issues, phone as new, with Android 10.
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Wow Oreo!
No problems with battery drains, good manage of connectivities, no problems for recording calls, every thing worked good without any big issues and with the best gestures and camera app ever made for a Samsung with the possibility of recording videos even in pro mode (a feature now returning with S20) ... to be onest, if I could, I'll return to the last version of it because it was perfect!
So, if I was you, I'll try to find on sammobile the last version of oreo for the device and I'll install it with Odin and leave all like this till it dies!
The only thing that not shall be good are the security patches with the phone being stuck on the old ones, but, sincerely, since now I never heard or read in genaral something on security problems that involves OS problems... mostly for hackering, opening emails, going on not safe wifi's and web pages, buying in not safe places or for installing apps (even from the play store) and if this can happen to everyone even having the latest patches, I'm even thinking now that all these security patches are even worthless for a normal consumer unless your a politican, a manager or doing a job that requires the max privacy possible that you can have...
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YUP agree wholeheartedly - did exactly that and have been on oreo 8.1 ever since and I love it until a few months ago when they shut off 3g !!! like wtf - so now my fone intermittently works on 4g , lost all caller ID and i have to switch manually every time to 2g to send/receive texts!! would you know of any way to somehow force LTE to work - for some reason LTE can't be enabled on my version of oreo 8.1 on my note 9 t-mobile