I have a problem with the main camera on my I9305N, which is there since I got it. The picture is always blurry, even on the screen before I take the photo. Front facing camera works fine, and gives much better pictures then the main one.. I checked the FW versions, and mine are the same as in OP of this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2006128, so I followed the instructions and flashed to ZDFI02, and there are no changes. Does anyone have any idea what is the cause of this? :crying: I'm really getting desperate now..
Here are the example pictures taken with both cameras, as you can see the front facing camera gives much better pictures, which is insane:
If the glass in front of the camera ain't dirty I would have returned it if there is any warranty left. Looks like the focus doesn't work.
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Hi guys, just wanted to share with you my opinion, yesterday i saw the device in the store, fall in love with it and started to read about it, and found that firmware update helped a lot with the camera quality so i took a shot and bought it, i must say im very sad with the camera performance. frontal camera is useles and is very hard to get good pics on the main one even in the last firmware 257, i was an iphone 5 owner, sick of OS but also i have to say that the frontal camera was very good, every thing else ok but the camera quality BIG FAIL tried everything manual auto 20 8 iso AV etc etc perhaps a defective lens ?? please help
Hmmppfff other than the fact no one ever said the front camera is good? The. 257 helped wuth main camera performance...
If that so importent to you there is a chinease phone by THL called monkey king, it had 13 mp front camera and costs 250$ go knock yourself out.
Btw the main camera is a blast! Especially at night.
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Hmmppfff other than the fact no one ever said the front camera is good? The. 257 helped wuth main camera performance...
If that so importent to you there is a chinease phone by THL called monkey king, it had 13 mp front camera and costs 250$ go knock yourself out.
Btw the main camera is a blast! Especially at night.
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This is the worst frontal camera i have used. and not the cheapest phone i have bought and NO is NOT A BLAST. for me thats a lie, btw i was not asking for advice in chinnese phones i was asking for orientation in defective lens. so knock yourself out some where else kid.
Perhaps you didn't remove the front protecting film from the screen, it makes the camera blurry...
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Perhaps you didn't remove the front protecting film from the screen, it makes the camera blurry...
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i did, its naked. on 257 firmware
No yellow hue
a ltl overheating
no touchscreen issue at all
just the camera, main reason i bought it.
any way to confirm a defective lens ?
It's been said time and time again here, the camera itself is quite capable. It's the unpredictable Auto mode that kills it. You need to have the right manual settings on each different photo scenario to capture the perfect picture.
long time lurker, first time poster, I'm a 'hip kid' who does frequently take selfies, and i think the miezu pro 7 did selfies justice by adding a back screen, but am i totally crazy to say that i'd give up selfies totally (or at least switch to rear camera selfies) as long as i'd have a totally bezelless display? phones within the past year have been moving to a 'tri bezelless' design by moving everything to the bottom, and it looks like the rise of microsoft zunes.. gross.. i'd totally give up my front facing camera if i had 0 bezels whatsoever, can anyone agree?
Still need the front facing camera
Hey there,
I'm also a newbie here.
I think the bezel-less design on phones will definitely go further, but I don't think I can give up the front facing camera just to have a 0 bezel phone.
Cheers
do you think we'll ever get the point where the edge of the LCD panel will be the only bezel? it's already a thing on TV's, why not phones? and what about under display cameras? Vivo and synaptic did it with fingerprint scanners, why not cameras? its doable since the new vivo phone's sensor basically is a camera
So the phone has 2 front facing cameras. The 24 megapixel camera is working fine. But is the 2 megapixel one working for you? I tried covering the camera and there is no difference in portrait blur. It looks like it's just some software blur instead of a real one.
The secound one i used for the bokeh effect.
I know. I have enabled bokeh and covered the second camera but the background is still blurred. Also it does a really bad job identifying what's in the background and what's in the front.
Try with covered lens on Aperture mode. You will see the difference.
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There is no aperture mode for the front facing camera.
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There is no aperture mode for the front facing camera.
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My bad. Didn't read "front camera"... Yep on front one no difference if you cover the second sensor.
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Thanks for your answer. Do you know any way to check whether it is real or not?
That's very interesting.. i tried every mode, that i could, but as i can see, i don't really know, how to test it out :/
I just got a Mate 20 Lite. Funny if it is a fake camera.
Both secondary "cameras" are "depth sensors".
Anybody with Pie who got the depth sensor working?
Second cameras are working but they are working in conjunction with software. Software utilizes the additional information that is collected from the depth cameras but it does not solely rely on that information. And if you cover it you may not be able to see any difference because thanks to machine learning the software is really good at identifying subjects from the background. There is never a real bokeh on these smartphones because of the tiny lenses and sensors that are being used in them. So you are always in need of some software trickery to achieve good blurr. Another option is to get really close to your subjects but in many cases that is not useful.
Both the secondary cameras, front or rear, are real. But they are only used to the boken effect most of the time.
They are used to capture the depth of a cenary, imrpoving the effect in the final version.
You probably wont notice a difference if cover the secondary sensor, but in some cases can have impact.
Most of the work isn't done by that sensor, but by the câmera software, thats why you don't see any real difference in the images.
That secondary câmera can also be used to improve the quality of some photos, for instance, in the night.
So, is a real câmera? Yes, it is.
But like in any other dual câmera smartphone, is used for some situations, not all the time.
Correct me if I am wrong, but there should be only four differences between the two devices:
1. Dual front camers vs single
2. Bigger screen
3. Bigger battery
4. Ceramic back vs glass
All other aspects should be the same, right? I wonder why most reviewers, tech sites and even Samsung themselves focus so much on the S10 Plus. I personally chose the S10 because I cannot stand this ugly dual front camera design. The single cutout is already rather meh, but still kinda stylish, but how can anyone like the dual cutout? What do you guys think?
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Correct me if I am wrong, but there should be only four differences between the two devices:
1. Dual front camers vs single
2. Bigger screen
3. Bigger battery
4. Ceramic back vs glass
All other aspects should be the same, right? I wonder why most reviewers, tech sites and even Samsung themselves focus so much on the S10 Plus. I personally chose the S10 because I cannot stand this ugly dual front camera design. The single cutout is already rather meh, but still kinda stylish, but how can anyone like the dual cutout?
What do you guys think?
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THE S10+ replaces the S9+ as the top end (until the 5G ships), and, as such, wil lb be the most examined as far as hands-on time goes in carrier and big-box retailers. Also, the dual-cutout has a USE - wide-screen pictures; it is not there to just be there. (If I had a need to take more wide-screen photos, the S10 or S10+ would replace the S9 for that reason alone, as this is something the S9+ is incapable of doing at all. (In fact, the S10E can't do it, either.))
Yes, the over all camera system is already being considered the best
I've traded in my Note 9 for the S10+ ceramic 512gb...
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THE S10+ replaces the S9+ as the top end (until the 5G ships), and, as such, wil lb be the most examined as far as hands-on time goes in carrier and big-box retailers. Also, the dual-cutout has a USE - wide-screen pictures; it is not there to just be there. (If I had a need to take more wide-screen photos, the S10 or S10+ would replace the S9 for that reason alone, as this is something the S9+ is incapable of doing at all. (In fact, the S10E can't do it, either.))
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The extra camera on the S10+ model is not a wide camera, it's a depth camera. It's suppose to be for better portraits. You are thinking it's a camera like the pixel 3 where it actually has a good purpose. I am on the fence about going with the S10+ for this reason, the dual camera on the front looks lame and I don't believe it serves a good purpose, for me.
The only reason I'd go for the S10+ is for the larger battery, but I think I will end up with the S10, I hope the battery is somewhat better than the Pixel 3xl.
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The extra camera on the S10+ model is not a wide camera, it's a depth camera. It's suppose to be for better portraits. You are thinking it's a camera like the pixel 3 where it actually has a good purpose. I am on the fence about going with the S10+ for this reason, the dual camera on the front looks lame and I don't believe it serves a good purpose, for me.
The only reason I'd go for the S10+ is for the larger battery, but I think I will end up with the S10, I hope the battery is somewhat better than the Pixel 3xl.
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You are like most of us casual users - we do not take photos in wide screen. (I posted that I normally do not, either.) In normal orientation, it acts as a depth lens; in sideways orientation, it works as a widescreen lens - including on the S10+. ) I am looking at the S10E, which does not have the extra lens; the S10 does still.
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You are like most of us casual users - we do not take photos in wide screen. (I posted that I normally do not, either.) In normal orientation, it acts as a depth lens; in sideways orientation, it works as a widescreen lens - including on the S10+. ) I am looking at the S10E, which does not have the extra lens; the S10 does still.
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The only wide camera is on the back, not on the front.
Can you find any article saying it's a wide camera on the front? I saw one of the YouTubers think it was and even said "it doesn't really get wide" and that's because it's purpose is not to capture wide pics.
I am absolutely excited for the wide camera on the back, I love taking mobile pictures. This wide angle camera is on all variants of the phone.
When it comes to pictures using the front facing camera, I love the wide angle lens on my pixel 3 xl, so I will miss it if I move to the S10. I don't care much for portraits pictures.
I ordered the S10 because it had everything I really needed. I haven't run short of storage in the S9 so 128gb should be more than enough. Size wise, I didn't want to go any larger and it compares closely to the S9, and I don't take selfies at all so the front camera really doesn't matter. To tell you the truth, I only considered the S10e because of it's flat screen which I probably like more than a curved screen.
Standard 10+ in UK isn't ceramic, its glass. Only the 512 and 1 TB are ceramic
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Standard 10+ in UK isn't ceramic, its glass. Only the 512 and 1 TB are ceramic
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That's the same worlwide I believe :good:
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You are like most of us casual users - we do not take photos in wide screen. (I posted that I normally do not, either.) In normal orientation, it acts as a depth lens; in sideways orientation, it works as a widescreen lens - including on the S10+. ) I am looking at the S10E, which does not have the extra lens; the S10 does still.
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Its not wide angle - the normal S10 also has the group selfie feature. The second lense is really only for those ****ty bokeh effects.
And for such a trivial thing they ruin the esthetics of the fun sooo hard.
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Its not wide angle - the normal S10 also has the group selfie feature. The second lense is really only for those ****ty bokeh effects.
And for such a trivial thing they ruin the esthetics of the fun sooo hard.
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This is just Samsung showcasing what can be done (laser cutting an Amoled) and its new (like the notch some will absolutely hate it, others will like me put up with it) I have 2 phones which I honestly believe are better solutions as I never use front facing cameras (the mi mix 3 & Vivo Nex s) but again this is a showcase.
The Note 9 might just might have no punch holes, but I believe that will come in 2020.
I have ordered the S10+ as I can deal with it and its temporary as I'll be getting either the Note 10 or the S11.....
But all points are valid as its personal preference and what you believe is athletically pleasing, tbh I'd rather Samsung adopted a pop up, but they had to do this and I get why
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This is just Samsung showcasing what can be done (laser cutting an Amoled) and its new (like the notch some will absolutely hate it, others will like me put up with it) I have 2 phones which I honestly believe are better solutions as I never use front facing cameras (the mi mix 3 & Vivo Nex s) but again this is a showcase.
The Note 9 might just might have no punch holes, but I believe that will come in 2020.
I have ordered the S10+ as I can deal with it and its temporary as I'll be getting either the Note 10 or the S11.....
But all points are valid as its personal preference and what you believe is athletically pleasing, tbh I'd rather Samsung adopted a pop up, but they had to do this and I get why
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I think the punch-holes are theast step before we have cameras behind the pixels.
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I think the punch-holes are theast step before we have cameras behind the pixels.
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Yes it's just a filling gap lol before we get to that point, it's not the best option, but I do think it's just slightly better than a notch, although yes I don't particularly like the punch hole either.
xPr0metheus said:
Correct me if I am wrong, but there should be only four differences between the two devices:
1. Dual front camers vs single
2. Bigger screen
3. Bigger battery
4. Ceramic back vs glass
All other aspects should be the same, right? I wonder why most reviewers, tech sites and even Samsung themselves focus so much on the S10 Plus. I personally chose the S10 because I cannot stand this ugly dual front camera design. The single cutout is already rather meh, but still kinda stylish, but how can anyone like the dual cutout? What do you guys think?
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Okay, you are wrong. Consider yourself corrected. Lol. Just joking, but you did for get the much better cooling system on the plus. In fact several reviewers have already said that they were able to play games, and really push the processor while the phone stayed very cool. No heat detected at all. That is a vital part of my deciding on the plus. That and the ceramic back.
I personally think that -> it is because of the battery. 4100mAh
Well, at least that was my reason for ordering the s10+
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Its not wide angle - the normal S10 also has the group selfie feature. The second lense is really only for those ****ty bokeh effects.
And for such a trivial thing they ruin the esthetics of the fun sooo hard.
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I have been referring TO the rear camera - not the front (selfie) camera - which I seldom use since I learned how to switch cameras in the app. (The rear camera in even the S7 has better picture quality than the front one; why the assumption that I was referring to the front camera, since I never said I was?
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I have been referring TO the rear camera - not the front (selfie) camera - which I seldom use since I learned how to switch cameras in the app. (The rear camera in even the S7 has better picture quality than the front one; why the assumption that I was referring to the front camera, since I never said I was?
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Also, the dual-cutout has a USE - wide-screen pictures; it is not there to just be there. (If I had a need to take more wide-screen photos, the S10 or S10+ would replace the S9 for that reason alone, as this is something the S9+ is incapable of doing at all. (In fact, the S10E can't do it, either.))
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Dont even try.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but there should be only four differences between the two devices:
1. Dual front camers vs single
2. Bigger screen
3. Bigger battery
4. Ceramic back vs glass
All other aspects should be the same, right? I wonder why most reviewers, tech sites and even Samsung themselves focus so much on the S10 Plus. I personally chose the S10 because I cannot stand this ugly dual front camera design. The single cutout is already rather meh, but still kinda stylish, but how can anyone like the dual cutout? What do you guys think?
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The Plus is the best fastest one.
It's why no one talked about the XR until Apple had to push it because the XS wasn't selling well.
I am getting an S10e and I came from a Note8.
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The Plus is the best fastest one.
It's why no one talked about the XR until Apple had to push it because the XS wasn't selling well.
I am getting an S10e and I came from a Note8.
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The S10e is going to sell well, it unlike the iPhone XR keeps the great Amoled, it's really a compelling device, that in hand comfort.
I would like a general review to see how the battery life of the regular S10 holds up vs. previous devices. I'm coming from a S8 Active so I know I'm losing a little.
I looked at the S10 vs. S10+ at Best Buy and the extra height of the + makes it less of a one handed device.