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Everyone should file a complaint with the FCC #fccstopatt for discrimination. Apple gets updates right away but Samsung doesn't!

Updates aren't guaranteed for our devices, it is a courtesy of Samsung and At$t.

First off Samsung is Android and Apple is iOS. Apple push updates to their phones right away cos they do their own firmware since they are iOS. Samsung and ATT are completely different. All android devices are allowed updates after it has been run through the Nexus series since they are Google devices. After that other companies are allowed access to it like Samsung and carriers like ATT. Samsung phones get these updates earlier but carriers dont put them out straight away since they have to incorporate such updates into their own carrier firmware and make them compatible with carrier apps and bloatware. So thats the problem with carriers like ATT that have variant (non international) devices made just for them. If its to hard to do or has bugs then it takes a while to fix them or sometimes not even worth it.
If you want quick updates then spend the extra money and get an international device or a Nexus. Carrier and variant devices are the worst. Over bloated and locked bootloaders.
Also no one is obligated by law to update their device. Company or carrier its up to them.

How should we make our displeasure known?

Dieselrellim said:
How should we make our displeasure known?
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By throwing away our phones!
Seriously though, it's a game that we freely chose to play. I don't know why anyone is surprised by AT&T's actions. You get a Samsung phone and you know the bootloader is going to cause some problems... You want updates? Get a phone that is easy to flash custom roms. I was tired of waiting so I got a OnePlus One... Now I am on easy street until the GS5 gets the lollipop update.

Dieselrellim said:
How should we make our displeasure known?
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You are in a really small minority. Unfortunately there is nothing you can do that will make a difference. Most S5 owners have no idea what the difference between 4.X and 5.X is.

Dieselrellim said:
How should we make our displeasure known?
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I sold my G900A and bought a G900T. I'm still on att's network but will never again buy an att branded device.

Dieselrellim said:
Everyone should file a complaint with the FCC #fccstopatt for discrimination. Apple gets updates right away but Samsung doesn't!
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Samsung has pushed updates to the S5 including the G900A to carriers. AT&T has not yet (to the best of our knowledge) finished their prep and tests. Don't blame Samsung for something it already has completed. They can tell AT&T to push an update all they want, but ultimately the update for our device is up to AT&T.
There is nothing the FCC can do either. The device works properly and complies with the FCC regulations.
Yes, I want Lollipop too. But I can only wait until it comes out or until I can buy an unlocked devices.

Dieselrellim said:
Everyone should file a complaint with the FCC #fccstopatt for discrimination. Apple gets updates right away but Samsung doesn't!
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First off Samsung gets updates usually within a month or two of Google release of OS versions. However those are the international versions of the phones. US carriers are always last because of all the bloat and in AT&T's case being able to open the phone to install the OTA and then locking it down tight again. So who is your complaint really against? Slow AT&T is slow! Now your complaint will fall on deaf ears because updates are not guaranteed nor in your TOS or contract. The one thing you DO get out of this is knowledge...knowledge that this is how it is with AT&T and realize you have choices in carriers. The less than 1% of their buyers on XDA will not even hurt their bottom line enough for them to notice if no one here bought from them again. And how does any of this concern the FCC? They are responsible to clear the phone for release...period.

Dieselrellim said:
How should we make our displeasure known?
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Vote with your dollars. If you don't like Samsung using an encrypted boot loader, don't buy the S6. If you don't like how ATT releases the worst software with the worst delay in the industry, then buy an unlocked GSM phone.

Sadly it isn't really Samsung who "wants" to lock the bootloaders on their phones. It's the Carriers who force them to lock the bootloaders. If it was the case that Samsung wanted to lock them down then every single Samsung phone on the Market regardless as to what carrier or where would have locked down bootloaders, which isn't the case. So if you want to do something about it stop buying cellphones from the carriers who have locked bootloaders, aka get an international phone if you can or switch carriers. Currently I think the only one who doesn't lock the bootloaders (correct me if I am wrong) is T-Mobile.
Or as others suggested get a different brand.

Could you direct me go an article or something that explains why guessing the unlock key is so hard. Couldn't we setup some brute force code generator to try to find the unlock key?
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Maybe it is like 512 bit and would take 1 million years of attempts

mattucf said:
Could you direct me go an article or something that explains why guessing the unlock key is so hard. Couldn't we setup some brute force code generator to try to find the unlock key?
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Maybe it is like 512 bit and would take 1 million years of attempts
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Just read up on encryption. That's the problem. If encryption was so easy to crack, then none of our online transactions would ever be safe.

this thread made me lol
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Any way to know if Verizon will be selling the newest Nexus device coming within the

I searched but could find no info
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alsgarage said:
I searched but could find no info
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ask someone higher up in the verizon chain of command, thats the only way that you will know.
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but seriously, you are asking if they will stock a phone that hasnt been released yet, nor not even told if it actually will be released, yet.

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ask someone higher up in the verizon chain of command, thats the only way that you will know.
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but seriously, you are asking if they will stock a phone that hasnt been released yet, nor not even told if it actually will be released, yet.
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Ok thanks
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but i think they wont. i believe google is getting away from carriers selling them, as in look at the n6p and the 5x.

Verizon employee here, they don't tell us much, I do know that Google was very restrictive on who they let carry the 5x/6p so dunno.

I believe you have to buy it elsewhere and hope Verizon will allow it on its network.

Virus1x said:
Verizon employee here, they don't tell us much, I do know that Google was very restrictive on who they let carry the 5x/6p so dunno.
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Its not really google that is restricting it. It is the out dated CDMA tech that verizon uses/used. Soon that wont be an issue as they finally move over the GSM for LTE.

zelendel said:
Its not really google that is restricting it. It is the out dated CDMA tech that verizon uses/used. Soon that wont be an issue as they finally move over the GSM for LTE.
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It's not that, the nexus has always supported all networks. issue is does it generate revenue and does Google want to partner. I can't say for sure since I don't speak for Verizon.

Virus1x said:
It's not that, the nexus has always supported all networks. issue is does it generate revenue and does Google want to partner. I can't say for sure since I don't speak for Verizon.
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No they havent. If you look back there have been a few Nexus devices that Verizon did support. Verizon controls what devices are allowed on their network. I was a tier 3 support the first time the nexus was released and left the company after being an OPs manager. I am fully aware of what they require to carry a device.

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No they havent. If you look back there have been a few Nexus devices that Verizon did support. Verizon controls what devices are allowed on their network. I was a tier 3 support the first time the nexus was released and left the company after being an OPs manager. I am fully aware of what they require to carry a device.
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You mean tier 2 tech or ert, or crt?
I'm tier 2 tech and I can tell you we have no idea if the next is coming.

None of us can tell you for sure. The good news is Verizon has carried prior nexus phones and supported multiple unlocked nexus devices recently and other unlocked devices too. However, the bad news is the rumor is HTC is making the next Nexus and their last unlocked phone was the A9 which was supposed to support Verizon but Verizon didn't allow it.
Personally, I see Verizon supporting it, but that's just a guess.

Virus1x said:
You mean tier 2 tech or ert, or crt?
I'm tier 2 tech and I can tell you we have no idea if the next is coming.
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I know you don't. Even the Ops managers only get a notice after the decision is made. They most likely dropped the tier 3 into something else. Heck I spent most of my time updating and writing a bunch M&P then I did anything else. Heck wouldn't surprise me if some of them are still in use. But that was back before they tied the techs hands.
We will see. As Verizon is moving to a GSM base then they should but it will be their call in the end.

Yeah I'm precluded from quite a few devices, one plus, axion etc.

looks like verizon probably will sell the 2016 nexus devices http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/08/05/yep-verizon-will-probably-sell-the-2016-nexus-phones/

simms22 said:
looks like verizon probably will sell the 2016 nexus devices http://www.androidpolice.com/2016/08/05/yep-verizon-will-probably-sell-the-2016-nexus-phones/
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I read it on Phonearena I wonder if Verizon will negate the ability to unlock the bootloader, inhibiting rooting and custom recovery?

ronaldheld said:
I read it on Phonearena I wonder if Verizon will negate the ability to unlock the bootloader, inhibiting rooting and custom recovery?
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that's a whole other question! if we look into history, any of the nexii that verizon has sold, has always retained their unlockable bootloaders.

Yes they will. They just won't be nexus branded it seems. So you'll get bloated "droid" versions.
https://twitter.com/evleaks/status/761435995627663360

wrong, I have never had Verizon not let me use what I want, as long as the bands are supported. And who cares anyway, Nexus devises are not carrier locked (unless you have an upgrade you want to use.)

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I read it on Phonearena I wonder if Verizon will negate the ability to unlock the bootloader, inhibiting rooting and custom recovery?
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No reason to think that. They didn't do that for the 6. Doubt google would allow it.

ronaldheld said:
I read it on Phonearena I wonder if Verizon will negate the ability to unlock the bootloader, inhibiting rooting and custom recovery?
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If they do I"am sure some xda devs will crack it.

Unlocked bootloader

Hi All,
Can someone PLEASE explain me howcome the Exynos variant's bootloader is unlockable while his Snapdragon counterpart is not? was it made in purpose from Samsung's side?
Is this bootloader unlocking of the Snapdragon variant is "dead end" 100% and he who wants custom recovery (TWRP) on Note 8 should obtain ONLY the Exynos variant ?
Thank you very much

Yes its dead it wont happen

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Yes its dead it wont happen
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Alright then I'll sell my SM-N950U1 and purchase a new Android based phone that has a custom recovery option in XDA.
Any suggestions? does the note 8 has the best specs?

I'm changing to htc

rpz79 said:
Alright then I'll sell my SM-N950U1 and purchase a new Android based phone that has a custom recovery option in XDA.
Any suggestions? does the note 8 has the best specs?
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So you purchased a $1000 phone... without understanding the limitations?

myechophone said:
So you purchased a $1000 phone... without understanding the limitations?
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Facepalm

myechophone said:
So you purchased a $1000 phone... without understanding the limitations?
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Unfortunately yes
This is my 2nd note and 4th galaxy
I only had Samsung's and they all were fully rooted with custom recovery.
This is the first and last time I buy cell phone with a locked bootloader i.e doesn't have TWRP option.
I don't need much TWRP as I need Xposed (although NAND backup could be very useful) but it seems they have a correlation.
I will sell this phone and buy the Exynos variant.

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Unfortunately yes
This is my 2nd note and 4th galaxy
I only had Samsung's and they all were fully rooted with custom recovery.
This is the first and last time I buy cell phone with a locked bootloader i.e doesn't have TWRP option.
I don't need much TWRP as I need Xposed (although NAND backup could be very useful) but it seems they have a correlation.
I will sell this phone and buy the Exynos variant.
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Yeah that's the best thing you could do. Honestly rooting and roms dien breed unfortunately. It hurts me to say that I am a die hard fan of it. I knew my model didn't have the best for root before I bought. Phone has the most sought after features.
I mean look at apple even copying a lot of samsung. That says something. I got my model because my carrier offered a more affordable payment plan then samsung. Once One plus catches up with samsung features that will be the phone to buy for sure.

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Once One plus catches up with samsung features that will be the phone to buy for sure.
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Unfortunately it will cost just as much if not more.....

ultramag69 said:
Unfortunately it will cost just as much if not more.....
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Samsung vast amount of features with one plus vast root/rom community= Dream come true and take my 1k please.

Nick216ohio said:
Samsung vast amount of features with one plus vast root/rom community= Dream come true and take my 1k please.
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Only if they stay true to the developement community.
Samsung used to be happy to support the developement community too, they had active representatives on our forums and every time a new phone came out, the new apps and feature that had been created here were suddenly incorporated into the new "Official Firmware"...
They even poached devs to work for them..
Then came KNOX and the end of Samsung support, though they do still seem to look for ideas to incorporate into their firmware for the latest devices at the best price to them, free...

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Only if they stay true to the developement community.
Samsung used to be happy to support the developement community too, they had active representatives on our forums and every time a new phone came out, the new apps and feature that had been created here were suddenly incorporated into the new "Official Firmware"...
They even poached devs to work for them..
Then came KNOX and the end of Samsung support, though they do still seem to look for ideas to incorporate into their firmware for the latest devices at the best price to them, free...
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That is definitely true. I remember having galaxy 1,2,3 and it was Rom heaven. I don't see One Plus going that route though. They started from the gate with Rom openness and listening.
I definitely think it's wrong how all the big phone makers turned there back on Rom community. Most of the great features phones have now days is because of developers. Then constraint that wtf?

No one have yet to explain why the Exynos variant has an unlocked bootloader.
Was is it deliberate by Samsung i.e lock the Snapdragon BL and unlock the Exynos BL ?
or was it through an effort of the XDA community to unlock it?

Im happy without root. Since we can do so many tweaks woth ADB and we also have apps. Like disconnet pro or adhell which only works on samsung phones to remove ads on apps. (Hate those vpn software like blokada adguard etc). Other things like getting spotify apps free ads. Youtube app free ads can all be found here if u look for it. Not sure why i would need root now.

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No one have yet to explain why the Exynos variant has an unlocked bootloader.
Was is it deliberate by Samsung i.e lock the Snapdragon BL and unlock the Exynos BL ?
or was it through an effort of the XDA community to unlock it?
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Has a lot to do with Carriers and Manufacturers.
Greed-
Choking innovation-
Little bit of security-
They know Roms can prolong the life of a phone and have features that the next device has. Of course they want you to buy over priced products every year.
Basically Androids turning into Apple. Google this if you will. Apple charges $1k for iphone x, yet only costs them $357 to make. That's incredible greedy returns.
Most of us at XDA know all this, but what can we do? We just say screw it and buy atleast the best android phone. You want root/rom? Stick to international/manufactured versions. Also make sure that international version has bootloader Unlock. Best bet is OnePlus latest phone for Root/Roms experience.

Alternatively can they not produce a "developer" edition of the Note 8 with no Knox at all and no locked bootloader?

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Stick to international/manufactured versions. Best bet is OnePlus latest phone for Root/Roms experience.
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I thought I bought an international one the SM-N950U1 is carrier unlocked. The irony is that I bought in the US to spare 100-200$ but where I currently live they sell the Exynos variant.
It's such a shame they (Samsung) doesn't give us the option to choose if want Knox or not. I'll try to sell my phone and buy a rootable with unlocked bootloader phone the Exynos variant is a possibility. They lost me as a devoted customer I can tell you.
Anyhow from what I understand the Exynos variant had an unlocked bootloader in the first place. No one had to nothing to unlock it.

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Alternatively can they not produce a "developer" edition of the Note 8 with no Knox at all and no locked bootloader?
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Alternatively can they not produce a "developer" edition of the Note 8 with no Knox at all and no locked bootloader?
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Exynos only option. They won't do that because they hate unlocked bootloaders. I am amazed international version has unlocked bootloaders. Probably because they can't it's not carrier locked. Legal reasons as well guessing. Sure that pisses off the manufactures, lol @ them.
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I thought I bought an international one the SM-N950U1 is carrier unlocked. The irony is that I bought in the US to spare 100-200$ but where I currently live they sell the Exynos variant.
It's such a shame they (Samsung) doesn't give us the option to choose if want Knox or not. I'll try to sell my phone and buy a rootable with unlocked bootloader phone the Exynos variant is a possibility. They lost me as a devoted customer I can tell you.
Anyhow from what I understand the Exynos variant had an unlocked bootloader in the first place. No one had to nothing to unlock it.
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It's not just Samsung bro. Pretty much all of them do it. Like I said before always stick to international with phones for unlocked bootloaders. Gotta find which version is bootloader unlocked 1st. Because you get screwed like you did. Especially if you care about root/roms. I myself knew I'd be screwed before even buying snapdragon Note 8. But carrier had best affordable payment plans.
$200 down and $20 month. Plus able to jump to new phone anytime. Hard to say no to that. This phone pricing ability due to carrier and packed features. Made it easy to over look root/rom. I miss Roms dearly though. Idc what anyone says Roms poop on ANY stock.

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Exynos only option. They won't do that because they hate unlocked bootloaders. I am amazed international version has unlocked bootloaders. Probably because they can't it's not carrier locked. Legal reasons as well guessing. Sure that pisses off the manufactures, lol @ them.
It's not just Samsung bro. Pretty much all of them do it. Like I said before always stick to international with phones for unlocked bootloaders. Especially if you care about root/roms. I myself knew I'd be screwed before even buying snapdragon Note 8. But carrier had best affordable payment plans.
$200 down and $20 month. Plus able to jump to new phone anytime. Hard to say no to that. This phone pricing ability due to carrier and packed features. Made it easy to over look root/rom. I miss Roms dearly though. Idc what anyone says Roms poop on ANY stock.
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Last Note with unlocked bootloader was the T Mobile Note 3 I owned.
I'm happy with stock N8 on tmo. Lots of "stuff" already can be done. I also use Substratum.
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Limeybastard said:
Last Note with unlocked bootloader was the T Mobile Note 3 I owned.
I'm happy with stock N8 on tmo. Lots of "stuff" already can be done. I also use Substratum.
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Roms have come a long way since Note 3 lol. Not try sound like a smart AO to you. But when was last time used a Rom? Bro for example Res remix is breathtaking with the features. My last phone had that Rom. Made stock look like a welfare case.
Not going to lie Samsung does have best stock IMO out of other stock androids.

SM-N960W

Is it possible to root Note 9 sm-n960w?? A lot of people are saying some developers are working on it? Is that true..

You answered you own question. If they are "working on it" then it means it's not possible, no?

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Is it possible to root Note 9 sm-n960w?? A lot of people are saying some developers are working on it? Is that true..
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I'm sure someone somewhere is working on it, but don't count on it ever happening. Oreo pretty much sealed up all the loopholes used for root.

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Is it possible to root Note 9 sm-n960w?? A lot of people are saying some developers are working on it? Is that true..
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Not possible, and not likely to change.

Even if it was, it would trigger the Knox efuse and break many features. Rooting a Samsung device sucks these days

Phazonclash said:
Even if it was, it would trigger the Knox efuse and break many features. Rooting a Samsung device sucks these days
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there are ways of getting around these broken features

bober10113 said:
only for people jn the us and canada. the rest of the world has no issues. so id only agree that buying the wrong phone does suck.
but what dosent suck is making the right choice.
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Rooting an Exynos device still triggers the efuse so yeah it sucks

bober10113 said:
there are ways of getting around these broken features
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Not Samsung Pay or Secure Folder.

Phazonclash said:
Rooting an Exynos device still triggers the efuse so yeah it sucks
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Not Samsung Pay or Secure Folder.
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i guess if something as trivial as spay and secure folder not working is enough to stop you from rooting then yeah life must suck in that sense.
appart from secure folder, spay has a viable solution on rooted phones with magisk with android pay.
but then again if your phone can't be rooted then why even bother debating why not to root or what are the down sides of rooting?
unless its for validation purposes of being stuck with not having such a choice( being able to root).
anyways what's done is done. no sense in debating pipe dreams

bober10113 said:
i guess if something as trivial as spay and secure folder not working is enough to stop you from rooting then yeah life must suck in that sense.
appart from secure folder, spay has a viable solution on rooted phones with magisk with android pay.
but then again if your phone can't be rooted then why even bother debating why not to root or what are the down sides of rooting?
unless its for validation purposes of being stuck with not having such a choice( being able to root).
anyways what's done is done. no sense in debating pipe dreams
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When you use Samsung Pay everyday, it's not trivial. And Android Pay is not equal to Samsung Pay. If it were, then I would just get a Pixel.
I'm not trying to validate anything. You stated there were ways around three tripped Knox, and there's not. Not for Samsung Pay and Secure Folder. And I'm not arguing saying people shouldn't root. It's your phone, do what you want with it. I just don't want people getting the impression they can trip Knox, then work around it. That's not true.
And as far as why argue when my phone can't be rooted anyway? Well, why did you come here debating in a thread about a phone that can't be rooted. I wasn't even debating the merits of rooting with you, I was just stating a fact. Troll somewhere else, Troll.

Hey
You device has an unlocked bootloader. So you can root it and flash anything on it the problem is that you have less options because no one is working on stuff for snapdragon models assuming that everyone use an usa version of it.
I will attach a picture of the chat i had with an representative of Samsung Canada.
I hope that developers here take the effort to create some stuff for the Canadian version.
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Is it possible to root Note 9 sm-n960w?? A lot of people are saying some developers are working on it? Is that true..
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alanifotis said:
You device has an unlocked bootloader. So you can root it and flash anything on it the problem is that you have less options because no one is working on stuff for snapdragon models assuming that everyone use an usa version of it.
I will attach a picture of the chat i had with an representative of Samsung Canada.
I hope that developers here take the effort to create some stuff for the Canadian version.
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Samsung Reps are notoriously wrong. The N960W is the same exact device as the N960U and does NOT have an unlockable bootloader. Believe me, if it were possible to unlock the bootloader and root the N960W, it would be all over the forums and everyone in the US would be selling their N960U to buy one.

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Samsung Reps are notoriously wrong. The N960W is the same exact device as the N960U and does NOT have an unlockable bootloader. Believe me, if it were possible to unlock the bootloader and root the N960W, it would be all over the forums and everyone in the US would be selling their N960U to buy one.
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Really? OMG i was going to order one. How is possible that they can't even know that? Those bastards ????

Mr. Orange 645 said:
Samsung Reps are notoriously wrong. The N960W is the same exact device as the N960U and does NOT have an unlockable bootloader. Believe me, if it were possible to unlock the bootloader and root the N960W, it would be all over the forums and everyone in the US would be selling their N960U to buy one.
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if it was true usa owners would just flash the W firmware and unlock lol no need to sell anything.. too bad its not true though

elliwigy said:
if it was true usa owners would just flash the W firmware and unlock lol no need to sell anything.. too bad its not true though
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Also true, LOL

Why can't the snap dragon variant be rooted?
I've seen various posts claim the snap dragon variant of the note 9 will NEVER be rooted ( or little to no chance of being rooted) , but the exynos version can. What I don't see, is why? What makes this version so impossible to crack vs exynos and why are people so sure that will remain the case? Not arguing whatsoever, just want to know. Is it all down to bootloader locking? I have the Sm-n960W variant, while most of the threads here refer to other variations. I was also told by best buy that this was unlocked, and I confirmed if they meant rootable not just carrier unlocked

Frodobongins said:
I've seen various posts claim the snap dragon variant of the note 9 will NEVER be rooted ( or little to no chance of being rooted) , but the exynos version can. What I don't see, is why? What makes this version so impossible to crack vs exynos and why are people so sure that will remain the case? Not arguing whatsoever, just want to know. Is it all down to bootloader locking? I have the Sm-n960W variant, while most of the threads here refer to other variations. I was also told by best buy that this was unlocked, and I confirmed if they meant rootable not just carrier unlocked
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Sometimes I wish XDA has a FQA thread for every device, so we don't get at least one thread of every page that has people asking how/when/why questions regarding SD variants getting root. I think probably the mod team here at XDA takes the stance that "everyone must search before asking" too seriously. The question is valid, and the answer is not intuitive to newcomers, yet somehow the knowing the answer seem to be some kind of unspoken prerequisite, which is strange.
Also, never trust customer service representatives knowing correct answers regarding root/bootloader, be it Best Buy, your carrier, or even Samsung. You are very likely to get a more accurate answer here on this forum, from people who actually own the device model.

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I've seen various posts claim the snap dragon variant of the note 9 will NEVER be rooted ( or little to no chance of being rooted) , but the exynos version can. What I don't see, is why? What makes this version so impossible to crack vs exynos and why are people so sure that will remain the case? Not arguing whatsoever, just want to know. Is it all down to bootloader locking? I have the Sm-n960W variant, while most of the threads here refer to other variations. I was also told by best buy that this was unlocked, and I confirmed if they meant rootable not just carrier unlocked
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The answer is simple. Because Samsung ALLOWS that bootloader on the N960F and the N9600 to be unlocked. The N9600 has the same Snapdragon processor as the N960U and the N960W, yet it's bootloader can be unlocked. So it's not the processor, it's the software.
Don't ask why, because I don't know, but that's the difference. And since the S7/Edge, the US bootloader has NOT been unlockable, despite the best efforts of developers. It's just simply impossible.
And despite what the people at Best Buy say, the N960W is not rootable or bootloader unlockable. I doubt they even know what it means. As was stated, if it were possible, people here in the US would be buying N960Ws or flashing the N960W firmware to unlock the Bootloader.
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kgptzac said:
I think probably the mod team here at XDA takes the stance that "everyone must search before asking" too seriously.
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LOL. I don't think they take it seriously enough. That is why it's asked over and over and over again.

Mr. Orange 645 said:
The answer is simple. Because Samsung ALLOWS that bootloader on the N960F and the N9600 to be unlocked. The N9600 has the same Snapdragon processor as the N960U and the N960W, yet it's bootloader can be unlocked. So it's not the processor, it's the software.
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Got a link to an official statement from Samsung?
I'm running n960w with the ui f/w from the beta does that make my phone unlockable ? Because That doesn't make any sense to me.

DAGr8 said:
Got a link to an official statement from Samsung?
I'm running n960w with the ui f/w from the beta does that make my phone unlockable ? Because That doesn't make any sense to me.
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No. It's been said over and over in this thread the N960W is NOT bootloader unlockable. It doesn't matter what firmware you put on it. It can NOT be bootloader unlocked. I don't need an official statement from Samsung to tell me it can't be unlocked.
The 9600 is the only SnapDragon device that can be bootloader unlocked.

Root with Magisk???

Hello. Is there already the possibility to root the S10 with Magisk or the like? Thank you

No

Why don't you read over the headlines of many other posts like this...there's also a huge threat about root

Jannomag said:
Why don't you read over the headlines of many other posts like this...there's also a huge threat about root
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A THREAT? That was a funny typo. Yes, looks like TWRP & root are getting closer.

https://www.xda-developers.com/exynos-samsung-galaxy-s10-rooted-magisk/
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Haven't been in the Samsung community for very long. But curious why is the exy allowed root but the snapdragon not?
Thanks

sruel3216 said:
https://www.xda-developers.com/exynos-samsung-galaxy-s10-rooted-magisk/
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Haven't been in the Samsung community for very long. But curious why is the exy allowed root but the snapdragon not?
Thanks
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because in USA, there's a "free market" - carriers decide what phone you have. Carriers decide how many SIM cards you have. Carriers decide if you will root or not. It's that simple.:good:

doggydog2 said:
because in USA, there's a "free market" - carriers decide what phone you have. Carriers decide how many SIM cards you have. Carriers decide if you will root or not. It's that simple.:good:
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But if you buy unlocked from Samsung why can't you root? I would understand if you buy a carrier version.
I have a 6t on Verizon and can obviously root.

sruel3216 said:
But if you buy unlocked from Samsung why can't you root? I would understand if you buy a carrier version.
I have a 6t on Verizon and can obviously root.
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because the cartel is asking major manufacturers to bring such devices that will lock their customers in. In Asia, dual sim is the rule. In Europe, cartel was defeated on this matter as we finally getting dual SIM Samsung devices. But in USA, oops, you need the cartel to decide for you. Introducing 6T by TMobile was considered as "unthinkable" event by Forbes as they are so root friendly.. lol, you have to laugh. The market there is to lock the devices to single carrier (shady practice abandoned in Europe since 90s and is unlawful). They bloat the phones. They dictate single SIM models - hence you have always Samsungs model types dedicated to the US market (see gsmarena.com or phonedb.net for the respective codes). When someone throws an offer to eBay to sell phone, they better unlock it first (the practice not needed anywhere else). But won't get root on it (the practice only in USA). And you label your offer "Verizon Samsung XXX Unlocked" - like that phone is unlocked and still nead to bear the name of carrier? Probably some logos on it or unremovable software? Free market!
To summarize:
-carrier blocking: standard in USA, unlawful in Europe, rare in other countries
-root blocking: common in USA provided by some big manufacturers and now despotic Huawei
-forcing single sim models: standard in USA by giving offers to big manufacturers they can't refuse, laughably impossible in Asia (well, maybe iPhone), still common in Europe
-bloating and creating carrier-specific models: standard in USA, rare in other countries (and if they're, like Korea, HongKong, they are only enhanced!)
-putting physical carrier logos on hardware: standard in USA, not sure about other countries

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Tel864 said:
Because that unlocked phone will most likely be used for a US carrier, so they're locked down just as tight.
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Hmm wonder how OnePlus got around it. My 6t is on Verizon
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doggydog2 said:
because the cartel is asking major manufacturers to bring such devices that will lock their customers in. In Asia, dual sim is the rule. In Europe, cartel was defeated on this matter as we finally getting dual SIM Samsung devices. But in USA, oops, you need the cartel to decide for you. Introducing 6T by TMobile was considered as "unthinkable" event by Forbes as they are so root friendly.. lol, you have to laugh. The market there is to lock the devices to single carrier (shady practice abandoned in Europe since 90s and is unlawful). They bloat the phones. They dictate single SIM models - hence you have always Samsungs model types dedicated to the US market (see gsmarena.com or phonedb.net for the respective codes). When someone throws an offer to eBay to sell phone, they better unlock it first (the practice not needed anywhere else). But won't get root on it (the practice only in USA). And you label your offer "Verizon Samsung XXX Unlocked" - like that phone is unlocked and still nead to bear the name of carrier? Probably some logos on it or unremovable software? Free market!
To summarize:
-carrier blocking: standard in USA, unlawful in Europe, rare in other countries
-root blocking: common in USA provided by some big manufacturers and now despotic Huawei
-forcing single sim models: standard in USA by giving offers to big manufacturers they can't refuse, laughably impossible in Asia (well, maybe iPhone), still common in Europe
-bloating and creating carrier-specific models: standard in USA, rare in other countries (and if they're, like Korea, HongKong, they are only enhanced!)
-putting physical carrier logos on hardware: standard in USA, not sure about other countries
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Thanks for the info. I don't really need root these days but I like it which is why I have a 6t on Verizon. I'll be fine with out it once my S10 arrives, but would be nice.
So Samsung basically has a deal with all the US carriers to not allow unlocking, even if you by from samsung.com?

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Hmm wonder how OnePlus got around it. My 6t is on Verizon
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It's because it's Samsung, they seem to be the fair-haired child of phone companies. I used to do some Motorola development and I guess they are all unlockable still. You could take any Moto and do anything with it, but you never see those given away like Samsung and sometimes IPhone by the phone companies.

Tel864 said:
It's because it's Samsung, they seem to be the fair-haired child of phone companies. I used to do some Motorola development and I guess they are all unlockable still. You could take any Moto and do anything with it, but you never see those given away like Samsung and sometimes IPhone by the phone companies.
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This poster is correct Oneplus has a completely different ethos as a company they are more interested in their user base, whereas samsung are more interested in the carriers and the corporate base as such knox and locked bootloaders make their devices much more attractive to enterprise level corporation who are big in MDM and so on. Oneplus are just not going for that market as yet.

curioct said:
This poster is correct Oneplus has a completely different ethos as a company they are more interested in their user base, whereas samsung are more interested in the carriers and the corporate base as such knox and locked bootloaders make their devices much more attractive to enterprise level corporation who are big in MDM and so on. Oneplus are just not going for that market as yet.
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OnePlus will eventually get there if they grow big enough to where they sell phones in ATT and Verizon stores.
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daniel4653 said:
OnePlus will eventually get there if they grow big enough to where they sell phones in ATT and Verizon stores.
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Maybe but for me it isn't so much about the retail to consumers for me or the carriers per se, it is more about convincing enterprise customers your product is right for them.
Their price point to feature set combo might be compelling to businesses but the security provided by locked bootloaders and the knox platform makes samsung very very compelling in that market.
It will be interesting to see how their growth occurs. I very nearly went for the 6T this time personally but I don't accept a phone from my business and use my own because I don't want their MDM / security or to carry two devices so I stay BYOD.

curioct said:
This poster is correct Oneplus has a completely different ethos as a company they are more interested in their user base, whereas samsung are more interested in the carriers and the corporate base as such knox and locked bootloaders make their devices much more attractive to enterprise level corporation who are big in MDM and so on. Oneplus are just not going for that market as yet.
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I see. I'll prob just keep my 6t and the S10 then. If I get the root itch I can get my fix still lol