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http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidPlans&thread.id=1785
You know they already know about it, so don't give me crap for "Letting the cat out of the bag"
Bump the thread please and lets try to make this a t-mobile policy.
(probably will never happen, but if we can convince them that this polocy will gain them customers it may)
The post for those too lazy to go and read it
Currently there is a way to add your google voice number to MyFaves and avoid using any minutes for almost any call.
I don't know if this is "Working as intended" or is an unplaned gaff....
Let me tell you why T-Mobile should not only let this happen, but encourage this.
I have a G1, cheapest plans possible. my bill is around 60 bucks a month...
If this MyFaves/GV trick became something i could count on here are the actions i will take with out question.
I will Buy my wife the MyTouch (canceling her current Virgin Mobile pay as u go plan)
I will change my calling plan to a "MyFaves" famlie plan
I will have unlimmited data plans on both phones.
I will cancle my current home phone (Vonage)
My T-mobile monthly bill will go from $60 a month to over $125, and it will become my and my wife's main phone lines.
Also with work/friends i am the known "Android hacker" and people listen to me...
When i tell people about this possiblity they get excited and want in on it.
T-Mobile... be the "Data Pipe" Google wants you to be, you will gain subscribers
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ekeefe41 said:
http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=AndroidPlans&thread.id=1785
You know they already know about it, so don't give me crap for "Letting the cat out of the bag"
Bump the thread please and lets try to make this a t-mobile policy.
(probably will never happen, but if we can convince them that this polocy will gain them customers it may)
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Yes, they know about it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to give them the impression that this is a mainstream usage scenario.
Often service providers will tolerate a small percentage (lets say 1-5%) of their customerbase that uses a signficantly larger proportion of bandwidth than average. They may be losing money on these customers, but as long as the loss is lower than the loss that would be incurred due to negative press from terminating those customers, they will let the small percentage slide.
By bumping/posting that thread, you are basically giving T-Mo (and any other carrier with similar pricing) a reason on a silver plate to go and shut the MyFaves "loophole" right now. Kudos.
*Note: I don't have MyFaves, so I could really not care less how it turns out from a personal standpoint.
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Yes, they know about it. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to give them the impression that this is a mainstream usage scenario.
Often service providers will tolerate a small percentage (lets say 1-5%) of their customerbase that uses a signficantly larger proportion of bandwidth than average. They may be losing money on these customers, but as long as the loss is lower than the loss that would be incurred due to negative press from terminating those customers, they will let the small percentage slide.
By bumping/posting that thread, you are basically giving T-Mo (and any other carrier with similar pricing) a reason on a silver plate to go and shut the MyFaves "loophole" right now. Kudos.
*Note: I don't have MyFaves, so I could really not care less how it turns out from a personal standpoint.
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I couldn't have said this all better myself.
To OP: Be happy with the loophole you have now. Make this mainstream and you'll see the loophole closed up nice and quick.
Here is the thing...
I personally will not do the things in my post unless i can confirm it is something i can rely on.
scenario
I buy a 2nd phone for the wife
I cancel my home (Vonage) phone line
I then begin to rely on this piggy backing as a part of my monthly finances...
BOOM
T-mobile closes the loophole.
I am stuck with an extra phone/Plan that i can't get out of....
My bill goes through the roof because these phones are now our only voice option.
Until i get a confirmation from T-Mobile i will push the issue...
If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
When it comes to contracts and my monthly finances, there is no room for guess work.
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If it ruins it for everyone... so be it
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Haha. I like your attitude!
When it comes to contracts and my monthly finances, there is no room for guess work.
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Then... why are you relying on beta services and loopholes for your core telecommunications?
It seems to me that what you need to get is one of those truly unlimited in-region calling (I think MetroPCS has something like that? Also T-Mo has the Unlimited Loyalty Plan.) You can be assured that you'll be billed a flat monthly rate that way regardless of your usage and regardless of whether or not you are routing through GV.
I love the flimsy rationalization going on this thread.
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Haha. I like your attitude!
Then... why are you relying on beta services and loopholes for your core telecommunications?
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Not quite...
I have the G1 $60-month
Wife has a pay as you go $20ish-month
home phone is vonage $30-month
About $110 a month for phone services.
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
Oh yea... I am cheap and a control freak when it comes to contracts and bills.
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I love the flimsy rationalization going on this thread.
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Please explain your self.
If i am going to agree to additional contracts, i need to know the scope of what is allowed and what is not for my own protection.
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Please explain your self.
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1) Your life's micromanagement must make you a joy to be around
2) jashsu said it best. You are giving carriers a reason to enforce "Fav" calling to individuals and not blanket numbers. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" only applies if annoying customer (e.g. you) is the only one affected. This is not the case here. Especially since Google purchased the 1 million some odd numbers from Level 3.
3) You're using a known buggy service that's very still much in beta as your sole means of telecommunication. For someone so uptight about control that seems oddly, and stupidly, out of character.
4) It's stupid to think that this will actually gain customers. There are a fixed number of Google Voice numbers in existence and I can pretty much assure you they are all spoken for.
Edit: Just to elaborate on #4, Last night I used the call back feature of GV. Do you know how long it took the service to ring my phone? 8 minutes. That's perfectly acceptable for your only means of telecommunication.
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If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
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I don't know what industry you work in, but let me just put it bluntly and say that generally large multinational corporations don't make potentially significant alterations to their business plan based on whiny posts on their forums. It is questionable whether anyone with the authority to make a declaration of the kind you are hoping for even reads or has a pr secretary that reads that forum on t-mobile.com.
If (and i'm not holding my breath here) they legitimize unlimited calling in some kind of promotion/profit-sharing deal with Google, that was probably planned months in advance by a team of profit-cost analysts and in no way whatsoever did they give two ****s about your petition. I can just about guarantee that.
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1) Your life's micromanagement must make you a joy to be around
2) jashsu said it best. You are giving carriers a reason to enforce "Fav" calling to individuals and not blanket numbers. The phrase "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" only applies if annoying customer (e.g. you) is the only one affected. This is not the case here. Especially since Google purchased the 1 million some odd numbers from Level 3.
3) You're using a known buggy service that's very still much in beta as your sole means of telecommunication. For someone so uptight about control that seems oddly, and stupidly, out of character.
4) It's stupid to think that this will actually gain customers. There are a fixed number of Google Voice numbers in existence and I can pretty much assure you they are all spoken for.
Edit: Just to elaborate on #4, Last night I used the call back feature of GV. Do you know how long it took the service to ring my phone? 8 minutes. That's perfectly acceptable for your only means of telecommunication.
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The only thing i manage like this is my bills....
Wife does not even know the password to our banking acc...
It is not even something we discuss, it is something i just handle..
So in fact, i am a pleasure to be around, because it is something i just do, and never talk about.
But thanks for trying to be insulting.
I have been using GV for almost a week now, no 8 minute, no bugs.
The service has been good enough that i am considering major changes to my service providers. A change that would give me more functionality at almost the same cost...
I am not sure i fully grasp your hostility.
Any contract i am involved with i like to know everything i can.
If that is strange to you... well that's your issue.
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The only thing i manage like this is my bills....
Wife does not even know the password to our banking acc...
It is not even something we discuss, it is something i just handle..
So in fact, i am a pleasure to be around, because it is something i just do, and never talk about.
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I don't want to take this thread too far off-topic, and in no way should this be taken as an insult, but i'd be pretty concerned if my partner opened a joint bank account and didn't share the password. Maybe that's just me though...
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that you just think you're pleasurable to be around?
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I don't know what industry you work in, but let me just put it bluntly and say that generally large multinational corporations don't make potentially significant alterations to their business plan based on whiny posts on their forums. It is questionable whether anyone with the authority to make a declaration of the kind you are hoping for even reads or has a pr secretary that reads that forum on t-mobile.com.
If (and i'm not holding my breath here) they legitimize unlimited calling in some kind of promotion/profit-sharing deal with Google, that was probably planned months in advance by a team of profit-cost analysts and in no way whatsoever did they give two ****s about your petition. I can just about guarantee that.
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I suppose it is less a petition, and more of a wish for clarification.
I know for a fact that google would like ISP's and Tel-Co to be more like a "Pipe" for data. With Google controlling as much content as they can (for advertisement $$)
This Google Voice product is a perfect example of this coming to fruition.
All you need is one TelCo jumping on board and prices come down for everyone.
Thank you for calling my post "whiny"... i was trying to make a point. I must have done a poor job.
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That is a ****ty attitude and goes against everything this forum stands for. It sounds like a child, if I cant have it then no body will. I just hope you realize your place, you should be thankful you have a FREE Google voice number and that there are ways of saving large amounts of money through minor hacks. If you can use them to your advantage then awesome, if not, then oh well you arent loosing anything. I just think you would get a much better reception if you came into this looking for help and trying to help the community instead of the ultimatum you have presented us with.
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I don't want to take this thread too far off-topic, and in no way should this be taken as an insult, but i'd be pretty concerned if my partner opened a joint bank account and didn't share the password. Maybe that's just me though...
Have you perhaps considered the possibility that you just think you're pleasurable to be around?
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ha ha ha!
I have like a "Quiz" day with her every once in a while.. aka, if i died could you access our bank accounts.
She Fails on a regular basis.
She does not have access to this stuff by my choice, in fact i have given it to her multiple times, multiple ways for her to remember.
She wants nothing to do with it.
It's not that i am a control freak... it's that she is lazy and does not want to concern her self with this stuff.
But yea, we have spiraled way too far in to my personal life, hehe
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That is a ****ty attitude and goes against everything this forum stands for. It sounds like a child, if I cant have it then no body will. I just hope you realize your place, you should be thankful you have a FREE Google voice number and that there are ways of saving large amounts of money through minor hacks. If you can use them to your advantage then awesome, if not, then oh well you arent loosing anything. I just think you would get a much better reception if you came into this looking for help and trying to help the community instead of the ultimatum you have presented us with.
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I am asking people to bump the thread in the t-mobile thread... if they like the idea of this piggybacking.
I myself, for the way i treat bills and contracts, need specific clarification so i will keep pushing regardless.
If you don't agree, then don't bump the t-Mobile thread.
Ugg.... never mind.
It looks like it is official a bug (not intended)
http://devin.reams.me/free-google-voice-calls-with-t-mobile-myfaves/
UPDATE: as mentioned by Josiah in the comments, this violates this statement on T-Mobile’s website: “Your five numbers must be US domestic numbers and must not include … customers’ own numbers; and single numbers allowing access to 500 or more persons.”
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aad4321 said:
yeah but because you wont have free incoming you will have to set the gv number to show on an incoming call and add it to the fav5. long story short u will not know who i calling you unless you have that stupid press 1 to accept thing.
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That would be the big limitation
But with google voice you can listen in on the message before you pick up
yea this needs a lot of clearing up....gvoice isnt widely available
UMA
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Not quite...
I have the G1 $60-month
Wife has a pay as you go $20ish-month
home phone is vonage $30-month
About $110 a month for phone services.
If this loophole/beta service turns to be legit. Then I will make major changes to my phone providers. (like i explained in my T-mobile post)
Oh yea... I am cheap and a control freak when it comes to contracts and bills.
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why dont you get a UMA phone form T-mobile, for a few bucks a month and drop your Vonage right there saves u about 25$
Is it possible to implement some sort of block for this kind of system dump?
Slashdot link
Could it be as simple as leaving USB debugging off and using a pin/pattern lock? Or would it require something as complex as whole-disk (card) encryption like TrueCrypt?
It really depends..
First.. those kinds of articles do have a way of getting blown out of proportion.
I've heard a lot about what people "can" do only to find out that when you really start digging into it... they made false/misleading claims.
Although if the article is to be believed.. a password wouldn't do any good as you can read "defeats password protection."
Something along the lines of truecrypt would be a prerequisite..
Also.. there are some major legal problems.. like sensitive data on phones ranging from a frisky girlfriend/boyfriend to confidential patient information in a doctor/lawyers email..
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Without a warrant, what they are doing is against the law. To obtain a warrant they would have to specify what was being looked for and need to be reasonably confident the phone have evidence leading to prosecution of believed criminal offense.
Remember, Lawful and Legal are two entirely different things. So they may be searching phones unlawfully while legally within bounds.
Law = Immutable rule, you know them with out being told (ex, Do not steal, Do not kill)
Statute = Legislation given the force of law (ex. seat belt , any "rule" you must be told of)
Code = Legislation given the force of law by Corp. (ex. local code- dry counties, no smoking in city bars, must wear black shoes to work at walmart < lol )
Encryption will stop this. I don't see it being a problem though due to the fact nothing found will be usable in ANY court of law without having obtained a warrant. Know and use your rights, as they will continue to be taken away until "YOU" draw the line in the sand and say No More.
Also: This is not new tech, they been doing this for some time, had the capability at least. Agree with Snow_Fox.... it is blown out of proportion, but for other reason. Its not that they cant, its that at this time, it is not a rampant thing. From there do what you will ......
Agreed with everything said with regards to legality. However, our government seems to do a lot of things illegally. It seems that all a law enforcement person has to say is "terrorism" and they get a hall pass for anything.
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I am just glad to see such responses to this.. We need to spread the word.
Maybe its time to create a website dedicated to educating people of the (what should be shocking and horrifying) loss of rights we seem to be having.
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Agreed with everything said with regards to legality. However, our government seems to do a lot of things illegally. It seems that all a law enforcement person has to say is "terrorism" and they get a hall pass for anything.
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Oh yes, I agree, they will/do. The thing is we need to be brave enough to stand up and so NO and "enforce our rights", or they will surely continue to walk all over the scared general population.
Also, it is clearly illegal. To search your home pc, a warrant must be obtained. To get you home phone records, a warrant must be obtained. To listen to your phone calls, a warrant must be obtained. To look at your photo album in your hall closet, a warrant must be obtained. To search the locked trunk/glove compartment of your vehicle, a warrant must be obtained.
Smartphones are comparable to all of the above combined into one.A warrant less search is definitely illegal and unlawful and a violation of rights. Hold some feets to the fire, learn to say NO, consequences will never be the same
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I am just glad to see such responses to this.. We need to spread the word.
Maybe its time to create a website dedicated to educating people of the (what should be shocking and horrifying) loss of rights we seem to be having.
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There is a website called eff.org
but unfortunately most Americas are too distracted and really don't care!
I f#$%n care while most of the people i know, have no idea what is happeneing!
My view is humans get used to small changes but not big changes. What people don't realize is the changes to our rights is small and slow but one day WE WILL WAKE UP to a world of complete control and the idea of freedom won't even be comprehendable to future generations!
Maybe Big Brother is inevitable but thanks to terrorism, it has only accelerated the progression to Complete Control!
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Pull battery
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Or turn it off?
Human smugglers get around police being able to look at their phones by keeping the battery out of the phone
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I don't think pulling the battery or turning it off is reasonable. If someone has hardware to do a dump, surely they can provide power and turn it on.
I'm looking for something more along the lines of disabling the usb port or encrypting the sd cards.
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I don't think pulling the battery or turning it off is reasonable. If someone has hardware to do a dump, surely they can provide power and turn it on.
I'm looking for something more along the lines of disabling the usb port or encrypting the sd cards.
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Power without a battery? Tell me how and we'll make trillions!
Added: If you're that worried about what someone can discern from your phone, you got bigger issues.
it is soo vague i think this is a conceptual project and not something being deployed, if it were in use there would be more details, does it communicate over cellular? wifi? bluetooth? usb? are gsm phones safe?, are cdma phones safe?
can it be done without the driver knowing about it? or is it a search you can refuse? can you protect against it by encrypting the sd card, the sdcard + /system + /data +/cache?
what security exploits does it use?
Sounds to me like a technology that is available and there is no evidence yet that it is being abused. Odd though that the article has obvious errors, stating that Michigan has no cell phone laws, as texting and driving will get you pulled over. This opens the door to more abuse by police than worrying about them illegaly searching my phone. All they have to do is see you looking at your phone and they can claim that you appeared to be texting, thus justifying the traffic stop. I in no way condone texting/driving but it seems that we have given the police free reign to pull anyone over virtually at will given the plethora of "primary" offenses.
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Power without a battery? Tell me how and we'll make trillions!
Added: If you're that worried about what someone can discern from your phone, you got bigger issues.
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Please tell me you're joking. The micro usb cable provides power + data simultaneously, try it for yourself if you don't believe me. And freedom & privacy should be everyone's biggest issue -- at least, all Americans.
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it is soo vague i think this is a conceptual project and not something being deployed, if it were in use there would be more details, does it communicate over cellular? wifi? bluetooth? usb? are gsm phones safe?, are cdma phones safe?
can it be done without the driver knowing about it? or is it a search you can refuse? can you protect against it by encrypting the sd card, the sdcard + /system + /data +/cache?
what security exploits does it use?
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If you followed the links to read the articles you would see that it is already deployed and in use, hence the ACLU FOIA request.
According to Cellebrite's website here, the Captivate is by cable (screencap attached).
Not much info about the exploits' particulars, but here are some choice snippets from Cellebrite's site:
Superior handset support - Over 3,000 handset models supported, with monthly software updates for newly released devices prior to carrier launch. The system includes more than 85 data cables for connecting 95% of all handset models worldwide. Cellebrite has exclusive carrier agreements and works directly with cellular phone manufacturers to receive pre-production handsets prior to retail launch.
Complete extraction of mobile phone data - Contacts, SMS Messages, pictures, videos, call logs (dialed, received, missed), ESN/IMEI, audio files, and deleted SMS/Call History from the SIM/USIM.
Memory Dump - Complete dump of phone file system for select handsets, providing the ability to extract otherwise inaccessible files, and user passwords.
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And here you can see it in action.
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Please tell me you're joking. The micro usb cable provides power + data simultaneously, try it for yourself if you don't believe me. And freedom & privacy should be everyone's biggest issue -- at least, all Americans.
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ACTUALLY you may want to try it yourself. the phone DOES NOT RUN OR MOUNT without battery. take out battery, plug it in, and dont post anything on xda until it mounts to your PC... I'll wait here for you...
If you Plug it in first and remove the battery it will run for 22 seconds then shut off (with official Samsung AC charger) and 4 seconds with aftermarket "USB" charging
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Yeah, that's going to do a lot of good.
Surely if they are asking for the phone they will also either ask you to stop taking out the battery or if you have already done so, ask for the battery also?
In either case it is no different than simply refusing to give the phone. Either you get away with it because they are taking advantage of people being intimidated into giving them permission or they arrest you for refusing to give them the phone or the battery.
Even worse, taking the battery out just makes you look like a smartass if they see you doing it.
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ACTUALLY you may want to try it yourself. the phone DOES NOT RUN OR MOUNT without battery. take out battery, plug it in, and dont post anything on xda until it mounts to your PC... I'll wait here for you...
If you Plug it in first and remove the battery it will run for 22 seconds then shut off (with official Samsung AC charger) and 4 seconds with aftermarket "USB" charging
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You're right, I stand corrected.
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Yeah, that's going to do a lot of good.
Surely if they are asking for the phone they will also either ask you to stop taking out the battery or if you have already done so, ask for the battery also?
In either case it is no different than simply refusing to give the phone. Either you get away with it because they are taking advantage of people being intimidated into giving them permission or they arrest you for refusing to give them the phone or the battery.
Even worse, taking the battery out just makes you look like a smartass if they see you doing it.
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Exactly. Especially for those of us with cases.
In addition, this has broader application than just keeping your info private from authorities. What about if your phone is lost or stolen? You wouldn't have an opportunity to pull the battery.
but im sure if they have a dump computer, it wouldnt be a far reach at all to have a variable voltage power supply with 2 tiny clip on leads....
but there is any EASY fix for this,
but not capable on our captivate, needs some programming...
in the newer phones they have NFC chip readers, (Near Field Communication)
get a micro chip NFC implanted into your body, and have the new generation phones encrypt its whole OS to your Chip ID on first boot, and needs your chip near by to do anything at all or unlock it by storing your chip in flash memory temporarily until locked again.
easy fix.
As long as there are devices that that store information there will be devices that can swipe it. As for if it is right or not, that is not my place to say. A simple lock will require that the cops get a search warrent for it, so just keep it locked.
I personally hate people who text and drive but there will always be people that do it no matter who they hurt while they do it.
There will be no true way to stop this if what they are saying is true. As they would need to be working with the OS makers for it to work. So while these devices may have just come into light, they have been around for awhile. We will keep an eye on it, but to be honest all that one could really do is not keep anything on the phone that you have to worry about the cops seeing.
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reading the story, within the first paragraph, i can see that 90% of the problem was this guy's fault, not apples. he had an entire year, of his daughters life, not backed up? being a father of 3, 99.9% of what i take pictures of are my kids. i have my phone instant upload to my google account, i also copy all pics weekly from my phone to my media server, which makes redundant copies, these copies are then imaged to a 3 resource. not sure why this guy went a year without backing anything up.
this guy also has no real idea as to what he's talking about. apple forcing you to use icoud? google already a cloud based os? you only have to use the cloud if you choose to. apple and google know that if they try to force people into cloud based operating, they would lose most of their business oriented users, and those without unlimited data plans.
You're right about the GPS on the SGS1, it sucks!
I know! Why would they even do something like that?
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reading the story, within the first paragraph, i can see that 90% of the problem was this guy's fault, not apples. he had an entire year, of his daughters life, not backed up? being a father of 3, 99.9% of what i take pictures of are my kids. i have my phone instant upload to my google account, i also copy all pics weekly from my phone to my media server, which makes redundant copies, these copies are then imaged to a 3 resource. not sure why this guy went a year without backing anything up.
this guy also has no real idea as to what he's talking about. apple forcing you to use icoud? google already a cloud based os? you only have to use the cloud if you choose to. apple and google know that if they try to force people into cloud based operating, they would lose most of their business oriented users, and those without unlimited data plans.
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I suppose you got a point.
Did you read the part about the internal policies? I suppose it's some of the employees fault, not entirely Apple. But still, not everyone has a media server, lol.
Screw you Clan vv3 and Phobia. Hope someone messes up your lives one day.
Sounds like massive failures all around. Certainly foolish not to create backups, but also horrible policies and actions on the part of Amazon and Apple.
I agree with you. That many photos, the should of been backed up. At least he admitted beforehand that on his part most things were wrong. But then come Apple and Amazon, who clearly have more power over security, but simply failed to to stop this hacking. Doesn't really count that much of a "hacking" if Apple/Amazon let them get that info nice and easy. But and the end of the day, it was the criminals fault. Same goes for the scrib who stole my phone.
Dude obviously has issues if he didn't care that he destroyed all that just to hack someone's Twitter. Odds are they'll brag about it to the wrong person and get dimed out.
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Dude obviously has issues if he didn't care that he destroyed all that just to hack someone's Twitter. Odds are they'll brag about it to the wrong person and get dimed out.
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We totally understand where you're coming from, but the fact is, not EVERYONE has the knowledge of computers that some of us do, and not EVERYONE knows how to back-up their files. This could happen to the regular joe-schmo who just has a computer to communicate with their family relatives over facebook or twitter or whatever and also buy **** off amazon. BOOM and it just so happens that some person takes your information and takes everything you have and you really cant do anything.
this guy might've been a technology journalist but he was clearly dumb enough not to back up any of his stuff and to chain all your stuff together? come on...
Not sure what you're on about. I'm saying that the dbag who hacked him seems to have zero remorse that he helped wipe out all of that important info just so he and his friend could say they hacked a gizmodo twitter.
Heck, for all that effort they could be doing something in the real world worth getting notoriety for.
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Not sure what you're on about. I'm saying that the dbag who hacked him seems to have zero remorse that he helped wipe out all of that important info just so he and his friend could say they hacked a gizmodo twitter.
Heck, for all that effort they could be doing something in the real world worth getting notoriety for.
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Yep, sorry.. realized I replied to the wrong person lol.. you're right. Hackers aren't supposed to be doing this to the general public. REAL HACKERS are supposed to be trying to hack into company security systems under the companies employment to find security flaws for that specific company. those guys just wanted to **** with mr. honan
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Not sure what you're on about. I'm saying that the dbag who hacked him seems to have zero remorse that he helped wipe out all of that important info just so he and his friend could say they hacked a gizmodo twitter.
Heck, for all that effort they could be doing something in the real world worth getting notoriety for.
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Last page, he is sorry that his Mac was wiped
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MissionImprobable said:
Not sure what you're on about. I'm saying that the dbag who hacked him seems to have zero remorse that he helped wipe out all of that important info just so he and his friend could say they hacked a gizmodo twitter.
Heck, for all that effort they could be doing something in the real world worth getting notoriety for.
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The thing about hackers is that they've got potential, but they just don't want to use it.
I am a hardware support technician at my job. My boss wants to take the tablet (an iPad) I need to support the products and applications we create and give it to someone else in the company that needs it to demo our applications and hardware. I don't care about the tablet, as I care about needing it for custom application and product training, diagnostics, application and functionality testing. The problem, even though his budget paid for the item, is that I can't do my job without it and he now gets to give me grief for not being able to do my job regardless of his taking the equipment away. If these applications were written for Windows, I couldn't care less, but they were specifically written for the iPad (Android will come in phase 3 of the project), and specifically work with Apple's proprietary Bluetooth protocols.
He claims that he can't afford to purchase more equipment, and doesn't take the heat when I can't do my job which is suppose to reflect upon him when I cannot. I need to be able to argue the point to prevent him from doing this and would like some ideas. I have always had to be careful what to say to him because he has gone to his boss and used him as muscle to come into my office and try to intimidate me into compliance in the past. And though I'm working on leaving this company, I still need to do my job, keep the peace, and manage things as effectively as possible untl that times comes. Can't pay for life without a job, and they're too hard to come by these days.
Looking for advice.
Standupdad
PS Not on XDA, but I'm going to post this on a couple of other sites where I am a member as it is very important to me. So please excuse me if you see this somewhere else, or I delay in getting back to post replies. Newborns, painting the house, Boy Scouts, chasing a two year old that unlocks the front door and darts out to the neighbors, naked, and too much to list here, I may be somewhat slow to respond.
Be like "hey boss i need the equipment and its gotten pretty hard to do and there's some stuff that ain't fully developed and can cause some damage." I say you work harder and prove to him you can do the job and need the equipment at all times.
ya'll wish me luck
SNATCH AND RUN YO!
ask him when you can expect it back.
Try buying your own? <--------- Last resort
If their department paid for it then they get to have it when they want it. That is how every company I have ever worked at operates. If it is really essential and your job cannot be done without it, then you should tell your boss that and get your department to purchase one. In writing of course, no verbals on this type of stuff.
Tell him you need his advice and ask him how to do your job effectively without it. He either tells you how, in which case you've not got anything to complain about, or he admits that you can't. Either way you win.
ross231 said:
ask him when you can expect it back.
Try buying your own? <--------- Last resort
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It will be 2 to 3 weeks. As for buying one, don't have the extra $$$
mf2112 said:
If their department paid for it then they get to have it when they want it. That is how every company I have ever worked at operates. If it is really essential and your job cannot be done without it, then you should tell your boss that and get your department to purchase one. In writing of course, no verbals on this type of stuff.
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True, they can do what they want, but it counts against my productivity and he doesn't care.
Archer said:
Tell him you need his advice and ask him how to do your job effectively without it. He either tells you how, in which case you've not got anything to complain about, or he admits that you can't. Either way you win.
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I will be asking him this in my initial email to him tomorrow so that I can have a documented response.
Hi guys. I'm starting this thread in hopes of sparking a conversation and a concerted effort to rid ourselves as users from the clutches of Google and other big tech companies. I am sick and tired of Google tracking me and attempting to force feed me ads on a daily send constant basis. Then selling my info to other companies such as Facebook. So, I have started down the path of decluttering (De-Google-ing) my device(s). I am primarily interested in securing my device as much as possible and protecting my privacy.
So far, I have reformatted my entire device to factory default settings installed and using F-Droid (FOSS) for all my apps. I use Yandex as my search engine (I am often to suggestions and recommendations) in the "private browser" app. I use Aurora instead of Google Play store, New Pipe for YouTube-ing, Frost for Facebookingand SlimSocial for Twitter. I have stopped using Google keyboard and any other Google apps. I have abandoned gmail and replaced it with proton mail instead. So far, no ads and as far as I can tell, no tracking. I have also installed a VPN and am using it religiously—Cyber Ghost, a $99 for 3 years subscription with support up to 8 devices.
However, I am still very much connected to Samsung for I am not privy as to whether or not Samsung is as sinister as Google and Facebook.
Again, I am open to all suggestions, corrections and recommendations. Thank you and I hope to engage with you all.
leave it up to them yandex russians to protect your privacy.
but seriously. the most dangerous thing you can do is acctualy think that the steps you take are really making your life private.
vpns just channel the traffic to an other end point and does the queries for you then sends the data encrypted to you.
the queries are still made on the www. account info and all things you store or access online is still accessible by the www. vpn companies just fool you into thinking that the data being relayed to you is the only weak link. plus the free ones mine your data.
best thing you can do is not use social media. its made to invade your privacy. its designed to fool you into giving as much of your personal life info as possible and sell your habits to add companies so they can in turn send you quatered adds.
the minute you use the internet you void your privacy regardless of how you think the measures you take are working or effective. and what are you going to do about the 100 and 1000's of companies being hacked and their data mined and sold every month? you cant do anything about that. plus its much better for hackers to get their info from a big company because you get much more than just 1 dude that does his banking online and chat every now and then.there is no money to be made from 1 individual.
if you think people are specifically after you, you are gravely being fooled by the vpn ad campaigns that have been poping up everywhere about "privacy".( they must hide the fact that they also get hacked very well.its just that the media hasint picked up on it yet)
anyways who want to waste time on an end user/device?
when again you just need to hack equifax like a few years back and you get the motherload instead.
all in all I've abandoned the thought of real privacy. its futile.( even abstinents dosen't work because companies and governments don't secure customer data correctly. and unfortunately if you are born, you must be branded and labeled and filed away.)
live your life. just know that what ever you do you can't escape big brother and your data from being leaked by the big companies that say that it is secured with them.
the whole infrastructure relies on them companies and the habits we have been embraining ourselves and our children with is the problem.. we live our lives intertwined with the services and devices that we take for granted and have clicked next next next through polices and consent forms for over 25 years now whithout even giving it a second though. we're in over our heads now and it is a little late to back out. this was al dine by design and all voluntarily. its crazy how marketing is evil.
a cabin in the woods is the easiest and most secure thing one can do. anything shy of that is a waste of time and a false feeling of privacy.
anyways I'm going around in circles now.
one thing for sure is that the criminals we think that we need cover from are not who we think they are.
they are the FCC dealing with big telcos, they are the big media giants spewing false information and fabricates facts. they are in our governments in the highest ranks pushing hidden agendas and most of all they are the big social media platforms remodeling our society each day under our noses at our expense.
but hey this is not new. the internet police is just tring to make you think it is and spend 9.99$ a month for a vpn lol
good luck.
I just stopped using as many Google apps as I can and switched over to MS Office apps and use Samsung services where I can too...
bober10113 said:
leave it up to them yandex russians to protect your privacy.
but seriously. the most dangerous thing you can do is acctualy think that the steps you take are really making your life private.
vpns just channel the traffic to an other end point and does the queries for you then sends the data encrypted to you.
the queries are still made on the www. account info and all things you store or access online is still accessible by the www. vpn companies just fool you into thinking that the data being relayed to you is the only weak link. plus the free ones mine your data.
best thing you can do is not use social media. its made to invade your privacy. its designed to fool you into giving as much of your personal life info as possible and sell your habits to add companies so they can in turn send you quatered adds.
the minute you use the internet you void your privacy regardless of how you think the measures you take are working or effective. and what are you going to do about the 100 and 1000's of companies being hacked and their data mined and sold every month? you cant do anything about that. plus its much better for hackers to get their info from a big company because you get much more than just 1 dude that does his banking online and chat every now and then.there is no money to be made from 1 individual.
if you think people are specifically after you, you are gravely being fooled by the vpn ad campaigns that have been poping up everywhere about "privacy".( they must hide the fact that they also get hacked very well.its just that the media hasint picked up on it yet)
anyways who want to waste time on an end user/device?
when again you just need to hack equifax like a few years back and you get the motherload instead.
all in all I've abandoned the thought of real privacy. its futile.( even abstinents dosen't work because companies and governments don't secure customer data correctly. and unfortunately if you are born, you must be branded and labeled and filed away.)
live your life. just know that what ever you do you can't escape big brother and your data from being leaked by the big companies that say that it is secured with them.
the whole infrascturuce relies on them companies and the habits we have been embraining ourselves and our children with is the problem.. we live our lives intertwined with the services and devices that we take for granted and have clicked next next next through polices and consent forms for over 25 years now whithout even giving it a second though. we're in over our heads now and it is a little late to back out. this was al dine by design and all voluntarily. its crazy how marketing is evil.
a cabin in the woods is the easiest and most secure thing one can do. anything shy of that is a waste of time and a false feeling of privacy.
anyways I'm going around in circles now.
one thing for sure is that the criminals we think that we need cover from are not who we think they are.
they are the FCC dealing with big telcos, they are the big media giants spewing false information and fabricates facts. they are in our governments in the highest ranks pushing hidden agendas and most of all they are the big social media platforms remodeling our society each day under our noses at our expense.
but hey this is not new. the internet police is just tring to make you think it is and spend 9.99$ a month for a vpn lol
good luck.
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Oy vey! Thank you very much for yor contribution. It is very much appreciated and I see what you are saying.
AndroidUser00110001 said:
I just stopped using as many Google apps as I can and switched over to MS Office apps and use Samsung services where I can too...
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How has this been working out for you? What are your thoughts on Samsung's and Microsoft privacy policies etc?
Nonetheless, what are some good and viable alternatives to Google and optimally "securing" one's device (taking everything bober10113 has said).
michel5891 said:
How has this been working out for you? What are your thoughts on Samsung's and Microsoft privacy policies etc?
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Like the other poster said, I gave up on worrying about privacy. I made the switch for other reasons and privacy was down on the list...
I just do not like what Goolge has been doing lately, especially blocking ad blockers soon in Chrome so I switched to MS Edge on Android and the Chromium version of Edge for desktop and the rest of the apps just followed through. I am seeing how the switch works for myself and if all goes well I will switch back to MS for the small company I work for.
I gave up on Gmail, Google Drive and all their office apps so far and I stopped using Nexus/Pixel phones for the first time in 10 years. I started with the S9+ which I enjoyed for a couple of months and then got a Note9 during a holiday special and now I cannot wait for the Note10.
Privacy is what it is nowadays... We should all own our data and if we choose to let be used as companies are doing now then we should get a slice of all the money being made but I doubt it will ever get to be something like that.
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How has this been working out for you? What are your thoughts on Samsung's and Microsoft privacy policies etc?
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I wouldn't think that they are any better than Google's. Majority of the companies out there that are international had to adhere to the EU rules of privacy, so a lot of them have adopted those standards. NOT ALL OF THEM. That's why all of a sudden you are getting new agreements from all the major companies that touch each section of land on the world.
I still don't trust any of them even to that point.
This is morbid. I have been thinking a lot more about death, debt, privacy and such, and I have come to the conclusion that I honestly don't care about my own anymore because it has been stolen, including my wife's. Future children though, I worry about them because you don't even have to mention their name on the internet and somehow every major company knows about them.
Ever had a conversation with someone without actually looking something up on the web, and then a day or two later Google and other ads start showing things concerning what you were talking about to someone in person? Yeah, it has happened to me numerous times now I can't even count anymore.
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Ever had a conversation with someone without actually looking something up on the web, and then a day or two later Google and other ads start showing things concerning what you were talking about to someone in person? Yeah, it has happened to me numerous times now I can't even count anymore.
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YES!!! I noticed this a few months ago. My wife and I were talking about some random subject and BAM there it was in my Google discovery feed.
I mentioned that to her and she thought I was crazy until it happened again.
My friend was over last week, he mentioned something about a car he is fixing up and once again in my Google feed...
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I am not going to go as far as saying they are listening because my wife did say she looked up what we were talking about later on that day on her phone so I am guessing it is more GPS based then Google listening to give them the benefit of doubt for now. I need to ask my friend if he searched anything while here...
You want to De-Google your phone? Sell it and don't get an Android phone. Don't get an iPhone, either. In fact, get one of those huge car phones from the 80s. I can't add really anything that hasn't been said, other than some slight humor, but again, if you want privacy, stay off the internet.
AndroidUser00110001 said:
YES!!! I noticed this a few months ago. My wife and I were talking about some random subject and BAM there it was in my Google discovery feed.
I mentioned that to her and she thought I was crazy until it happened again.
My friend was over last week, he mentioned something about a car he is fixing up and once again in my Google feed...
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I am not going to go as far as saying they are listening because my wife did say she looked up what we were talking about later on that day on her phone so I am guessing it is more GPS based then Google listening to give them the benefit of doubt for now. I need to ask my friend if he searched anything while here...
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This is what I'm trying to prevent. Exactly the same thing had happened to me. We were simply discussing an AC unit; never looked it up or mentioned the name of it and the exact make and model in the room we were in showed up.
michel5891 said:
This is what I'm trying to prevent. Exactly the same thing had happened to me. We were simply discussing an AC unit; never looked it up or mentioned the name of it and the exact make and model in the room we were in showed up.
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Yeah it's super duper creepy. Funny thing is since I refreshed my Note 9 up to PIE, I haven't given assistant or google search any permission to use my microphone and I don't even have them setup!
this might help:
https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/6030020?co=GENIE.Platform=Android&hl=en
turn voice activity off. also check your history to see if it has any recording...