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Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?
averymlewis said:
Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?
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Yes in my view.
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averymlewis said:
Hello everyone I'm just trying to get a general idea of your thoughts on the matter. I am currently an Owner of the Galaxy S3 (White Model) A couple weeks from now the new Galaxy Note will be announced and a little down the road the new Nexus device. First of all I've never owned a Note but it does intrigue me A LOT. Would I be better off staying with my GSIII or should I wait on the next nexus or Based on the use of your current Galaxy Note would you suggest I get the Galaxy Note 2? I love the 4.8in screen on my GS3, and heave even bought a stylus for it, but would like the larger screen that the Note offers. Is the screen that much of a difference?
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YES it is :good:
My friend got a s3 n I got a note. His s3 reminds me of my s2. Not interested in the s3 anymore.
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The next Nexus sounds like a winner to me. A pure Google experience without the nasty touchwiz, sense, motoblur, etc ui, gotta love it!
Att.Fan1982 said:
The next Nexus sounds like a winner to me. A pure Google experience without the nasty touchwiz, sense, motoblur, etc ui, gotta love it!
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I prefer the hardware of a flagship device, then AOSP from 3rd party dev's to get the best of both worlds.
Hence, an S3 with CM10 is better than a Gnex.
TO THE OP:
Don't take anyone's word for it. Wear some jeans and walk in to a mobile showroom.
Check out the size of it, hands-on. Slip it into your jean pocket. Walk around sit down. Run (no don't do that, you'll get caught).
If you can tolerate the slight heft, by all means go for it.
The extra screen estate and S PEN makes a world of a difference.
All-in-all, if you decide to get a NOTE, wait for the NOTE2 announcement, hands-on, release and the subsequent reviews by trustable sources (cnet's not too bad, even engadget makes good reviews). Patience is key !
In my opinion, the note 2 with jelly bean firmware, could be the best phone ever created...
The rumour going round at the moment is that the Note 2 will have a lower resolution screen than the original Note - 1280x720 vs 1280x800.
If this is true, it is a mistake in my opinion as it will remove one of the differentiators between the Note 2 and the S3, probably leaving only the larger screen and S-Pen.
It wouldn't necessarily stop me getting a Note 2, but I doubt that I would bother if I already had an S3.
Regards,
Dave
foxmeister said:
The rumour going round at the moment is that the Note 2 will have a lower resolution screen than the original Note - 1280x720 vs 1280x800.
If this is true, it is a mistake in my opinion as it will remove one of the differentiators between the Note 2 and the S3, probably leaving only the larger screen and S-Pen.
It wouldn't necessarily stop me getting a Note 2, but I doubt that I would bother if I already had an S3.
Regards,
Dave
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What are the main differences that this lower resolution could bring that would be easily noticeable? I'm reading a lot of comments about this, but I thought DPI setting was more important than resolution.
Could you explain us why less 80 pixels would be so terrible?
By the way, if Samsung will really do this, probably it's for a great reason! Or not?
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I prefer the hardware of a flagship device, then AOSP from 3rd party dev's to get the best of both worlds.
Hence, an S3 with CM10 is better than a Gnex.
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Hmmmmm, interesting point but the nexus is a flagship device
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Could you explain us why less 80 pixels would be so terrible?
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I didn't say it would be terrible, just that if I had an S3, I doubt I would move to a Note 2 if it had exactly the same screen resolution.
However, from my perspective, I frequently connect to remote desktops using my Note, and those additional 80 pixels make quite a bit of difference in that scenario to what you can physically fit on the screen.
If the Note 2 does have a 720p screen, it is leaning more towards phone than tablet, and I rather like where the Note sits at present.
Regards,
Dave
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I didn't say it would be terrible, just that if I had an S3, I doubt I would move to a Note 2 if it had exactly the same screen resolution.
However, from my perspective, I frequently connect to remote desktops using my Note, and those additional 80 pixels make quite a bit of difference in that scenario to what you can physically fit on the screen.
If the Note 2 does have a 720p screen, it is leaning more towards phone than tablet, and I rather like where the Note sits at present.
Regards,
Dave
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Sorry Dave you've got it all wrong.
1280 x 720 isn't less pixels than the NOTE 1.
If its in RGB format, each pixel will have 4 subunits. Pentile has 3.
So you're effectively increasing the subpixel count by 30%
Sure you're "losing" 80 pixels on the width, but that doesn't really affect anything.
Videos would look better because of 16:9 size.
Browsing will have same content but "zoomed out" slightly.
That's pretty much it.
Comparing RGB to PenTile is a joke though, compare the SGS to SGS2's screen to understand.
Anyone with a small 4.8in PenTile screen going to a 5.5in RGB screen is effectively upgrading to much better display with a bigger size. I'll say it one last time, throwing pixels and resolutions at a phone is not going to make it easier/better to use. At one point it can become a moot point.
1280x800 has the advantage that when you use a video you can view full screen 16:9 video and the extra 80 pixels are for your status bar, so in a 1280x720 res screen you will need to expand the desktop to view 16:9 video. This is the main reason for 1280x800 and why I think its a better resolution ratio of 16:10.
This would be the same as if the next note would be 1920x1200 rather then 1920x1080 which I think would be nicer having a higher pixel density, if Samsung went to the full HD res though this would eat into performance and battery life. So going to full HD with the improved hardware over the current note performance would end up similar to what the current Note is but unless battery would be upped to 3500mah it would like reduce overall life.
I prefer the 16:10 screen ratio which in use is really 16:9 as the extra 80 pixels are your status bar, I would have liked the higher res even if pentile at 1920x1200, the density would be nice to have and as with the samsung screen used in the new Ipad that pixel density is quite possible. Not sure if they have managed it in Oled screens yet and if they can do it in RGB or pentile but I think it would have more then likely made me upgrade if this is the screen they want.
As is my contract has expired and I may upgrade from my current note but there isnt much in the specs Ive seen so far that is tempting me, if the screen is dropping to 1280x720 even if going always from pentile and being slightly larger. This isnt a good point to me in terms of wanting to upgrade to the note 2, most likely if this is the case they have got the extra .2 inches by keeping the width the same as in the current note and extending the height to go from 16:9 to 16:10. I like 16:9 aspect of the current note with those extra 80 pixels for the status bar taking them away will make the real ratio more like 16:8 if you keep the status bar on screen so I dont think this is a great move.
Touchwis and all the other samsung software on the s3 does nothing for me, I will end up with a cm10 version of paranoid android which I am currently more then happy with cm9 PA 0.5 atm. I tried the JB version but many things just dont work great on JB for the current note yet and we will need to wait on an official note release and source code of this to get the modders to final in cm10.
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Sorry Dave you've got it all wrong.
1280 x 720 isn't less pixels than the NOTE 1.
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Sorry - that is plain nonsense. Pixels are pixels regardless of whether you are using RGB stripes or Pentile.
Subpixels are a *completely* different issue, and given we've no reason to believe at this stage that the Note 2 will not have a Pentile screen, the point is largely moot.
Sure you're "losing" 80 pixels on the width, but that doesn't really affect anything.
Videos would look better because of 16:9 size.
Browsing will have same content but "zoomed out" slightly.
That's pretty much it.
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Eye of the beholder. I'd much rather have those 80pixels back because it makes a world of difference on an RDP session.
Comparing RGB to PenTile is a joke though, compare the SGS to SGS2's screen to understand.
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On small screens, as the resolution increases the disadvantages of Pentile become less and less apparent.
Anyone with a small 4.8in PenTile screen going to a 5.5in RGB screen is effectively upgrading to much better display with a bigger size. I'll say it one last time, throwing pixels and resolutions at a phone is not going to make it easier/better to use. At one point it can become a moot point.
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Again - where is the evidence that the Note 2 won't have a Pentile screen? I'd be prepare to bet that it does!
Regards,
Dave
Pentile vs rgb will double red and blue sub pixels, this will improve colour accuracy but doesnt improve resolution. 1280x800 pentile is still 1280x800 pixels rgb 1280x720 is lower resolution but more sub pixels will improve colours but going up to 5.5 your reducing the actual pixel density but increasing the overall colour density if that makes any sense.
Nearly all digital cameras use a pentile type sensor in cmos cameras with a bayer sensor, I am pretty sure all phone cameras will have such sensors. There arent many complaints in this and even though a true rgb sensor would give best results as resolution goes up you will barely notice this.
Going to 720p is still a bad idea because if your status bar is using 80 pixels then in wide mode your video only has 1280x640 of useable screen pixels. The status bar can be shrunk to use less but as long as its on screen you wont have a standard 16:9 viewable area on the screen. Pentile or not your still losing pixels and also screen ratio so its not a good thing how I see it.
martcerv said:
1280x800 has the advantage that when you use a video you can view full screen 16:9 video and the extra 80 pixels are for your status bar, so in a 1280x720 res screen you will need to expand the desktop to view 16:9 video. This is the main reason for 1280x800 and why I think its a better resolution ratio of 16:10.
This would be the same as if the next note would be 1920x1200 rather then 1920x1080 which I think would be nicer having a higher pixel density, if Samsung went to the full HD res though this would eat into performance and battery life. So going to full HD with the improved hardware over the current note performance would end up similar to what the current Note is but unless battery would be upped to 3500mah it would like reduce overall life.
I prefer the 16:10 screen ratio which in use is really 16:9 as the extra 80 pixels are your status bar, I would have liked the higher res even if pentile at 1920x1200, the density would be nice to have and as with the samsung screen used in the new Ipad that pixel density is quite possible. Not sure if they have managed it in Oled screens yet and if they can do it in RGB or pentile but I think it would have more then likely made me upgrade if this is the screen they want.
As is my contract has expired and I may upgrade from my current note but there isnt much in the specs Ive seen so far that is tempting me, if the screen is dropping to 1280x720 even if going always from pentile and being slightly larger. This isnt a good point to me in terms of wanting to upgrade to the note 2, most likely if this is the case they have got the extra .2 inches by keeping the width the same as in the current note and extending the height to go from 16:9 to 16:10. I like 16:9 aspect of the current note with those extra 80 pixels for the status bar taking them away will make the real ratio more like 16:8 if you keep the status bar on screen so I dont think this is a great move.
Touchwis and all the other samsung software on the s3 does nothing for me, I will end up with a cm10 version of paranoid android which I am currently more then happy with cm9 PA 0.5 atm. I tried the JB version but many things just dont work great on JB for the current note yet and we will need to wait on an official note release and source code of this to get the modders to final in cm10.
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When watching videos the Status Bar hides. And if you have on-screen buttons, they hide too.
When using the NOTE, you primarily use it on Portrait mode. So the extra 80 pixels don't help for the Status Bar or the On-screen buttons. Its pretty much "wasted" on the empty spaces in the Browser and Apps, making things look a tad more "zoomed in".
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foxmeister said:
we've no reason to believe at this stage that the Note 2 will not have a Pentile screen, the point is largely moot.
On small screens, as the resolution increases the disadvantages of Pentile become less and less apparent.
Again - where is the evidence that the Note 2 won't have a Pentile screen? I'd be prepare to bet that it does!
Regards,
Dave
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I'm just arguing about the rumours, never claimed they would hit retail.
Samsung putting a 5.5in 1280 x 720 PenTile screen is a mistake in my humble opinion. It would be downgrading. If it is 5.5in 1280 x 720 RGB, I'd say its an improvement.
Sure the pixel density suffers a little.
And you might lose the Home button to wake the device, or comfortably push the Back and Menu keys.
A better screen (little less blurry, yes I can see the PenTile again, can't unsee it)
But what you get is a more modern design.
Virtual keys that we can mod the shlt out of.
And a larger screen when doing stuff like watching videos and toggling the Status Bar/Buttons off.
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Sorry - that is plain nonsense. Pixels are pixels regardless of whether you are using RGB stripes or Pentile.
Subpixels are a *completely* different issue.
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I already addressed this in that comment which you haven't quoted.
You're right you are still losing 80 pixels.
....However the phone is held in portrait mode most of the time, so the 80pixel is lost from the horizontal axis.
It doesn't mean horizontally the screen is smaller, it means horizontally there's less detail.
Though in most Apps this is just loss of clarity (which is compensated by a much clearer RGB layout). Even in the browser, these pixels usually just fill up blank spaces.
THEREFORE, this is not a deal breaker.
And at least we fall unto a standard ratio and resolution. Otherwise I would completely agree with you.
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Eye of the beholder. I'd much rather have those 80pixels back because it makes a world of difference on an RDP session.
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I see. Others have also chimed in on this.
To be honest, I don't RDP or chroot anymore. It was handy at first, but its still feels like a beta test on each use. And its not a primary function of the NOTE, and I don't think the majority utilize this function. I know when I need those functions, and I just carry an Ultrabook.
Should be even easier in the future with Win8 hitting smaller form factors like tablets.
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martcerv said:
Pentile vs rgb will double red and blue sub pixels, this will improve colour accuracy but doesnt improve resolution. 1280x800 pentile is still 1280x800 pixels rgb 1280x720 is lower resolution but more sub pixels will improve colours but going up to 5.5 your reducing the actual pixel density but increasing the overall colour density if that makes any sense.
Nearly all digital cameras use a pentile type sensor in cmos cameras with a bayer sensor, I am pretty sure all phone cameras will have such sensors. There arent many complaints in this and even though a true rgb sensor would give best results as resolution goes up you will barely notice this.
Going to 720p is still a bad idea because if your status bar is using 80 pixels then in wide mode your video only has 1280x640 of useable screen pixels. The status bar can be shrunk to use less but as long as its on screen you wont have a standard 16:9 viewable area on the screen. Pentile or not your still losing pixels and also screen ratio so its not a good thing how I see it.
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The status bar DOESN'T consume 80 pixels. It uses 54 pixels (or 4.2% space).
The on-screen buttons consume 96 pixels (or 7.5% space).
They both utilize the space from the vertical plane, the 80 pixels, are lost from the horizontal plane.
On certain functions, like video playback, they Hide, and the content uses the whole screen.
On certain Apps, like Angry Birds, they Hide, and the content uses the whole screen.
On certain ROMS, like AOKP, they can be customized with any picture/logo, glow effect, order, function, or gesture. They can also be toggled ON/OFF at anytime or Pre-Set for any Apps (Paranoid).
There's just more opportunities to work with on-screen buttons, I think Google made the right call.
Kangal said:
I already addressed this in that comment which you haven't quoted.
You're right you are still losing 80 pixels.
....However the phone is held in portrait mode most of the time, so the 80pixel is lost from the horizontal axis.
It doesn't mean horizontally the screen is smaller, it means horizontally there's less detail.
Though in most Apps this is just loss of clarity (which is compensated by a much clearer RGB layout). Even in the browser, these pixels usually just fill up blank spaces.
THEREFORE, this is not a deal breaker.
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Losing 80 pixels from the screen and then losing further pixels due to the soft buttons makes a *huge* amount of difference if your primary usage mode is landscape, and definitely roams into deal breaker territory for me. That would mean that I would be better off with an SIII since at least it still has physical buttons.
Whilst I do use my Note as a phone, I don't use it often in portrait except when actually making phone calls. That would not be the case if it had been a 720p device, but the Note changed my usage due to the dimensions of the screen.
What I'd like to see from the Note 2 is "like the Note, but better" - 720p with soft buttons is in my opinion not like the Note, and not better. Your mileage may vary of course, and I appreciate that, but the Note 2 as described here is just a bigger SIII with an S-Pen - I would never have bought the original Note if it had just been a bigger SII with an S-Pen!
I could possibly see myself living with 720p if there were physical buttons, or 1280x800 with soft keys, but 720p with soft keys? No thanks!
Of course, next week we should know for certain exactly what the Note 2 will be.
Regards,
Dave
Well I would imagine the Note 2 would be like the S3 except with a larger screen and S-Pen. In that nature that's a good thing because the GSIII has a vast amount of motion features that I use on the daily bases. As for a matter of fact I had put cm10 on my GSIII and after using it for a while converted back to stock because the Touchwiz camera, motions, and other features just outdid stock Jellybean. So a Note2 with GS3 features sounds like a win not to mention it should be a JB build so we'll get the new notifications and Google Now. But I think its fair to say everyone pretty much eliminated the New Nexus device. Do you think think theres that much difference between a 4.8in screen Vs a 5.3/5.5?
averymlewis said:
Well I would imagine the Note 2 would be like the S3 except with a larger screen and S-Pen. In that nature that's a good thing because the GSIII has a vast amount of motion features that I use on the daily bases. As for a matter of fact I had put cm10 on my GSIII and after using it for a while converted back to stock because the Touchwiz camera, motions, and other features just outdid stock Jellybean. So a Note2 with GS3 features sounds like a win not to mention it should be a JB build so we'll get the new notifications and Google Now. But I think its fair to say everyone pretty much eliminated the New Nexus device. Do you think think theres that much difference between a 4.8in screen Vs a 5.3/5.5?
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As a quick rule of thumb just remember this:
1-On-screen buttons waste 0.3 inches.
2-A screen difference is notable for each 0.3inches.
So if you go from an iPhone to something like 3.9 inches (Desire); you're gonna notice the improvement.
To a 4.2 inch (Xperia Arc) device again, notice the improvement.
To a 4.5 inch (Epic Touch), then to a 4.8 inch (S3), then to a 5.1 inch (Streak), then to a 5.4 inch (Note 1/2).
....So Yeah, there is much difference between an S3 and NOTE.
I own the Note and the Nexus. I skipped getting the S3 to see what the Note 2 will bring to the table and I might hold off on the Note 2 to see how the next Nexus will look and to see if Asus or anyone else makes a good 7" tablet to counter the no rear camera, no sd slot and small storage on the Nexus 7.Before I pull the trigger I want to make sure I have the best combo of devices. I am looking to have a phone tablet combo for sure. Either a Note 2 and a Note 10.1 or a 7" Tablet with the next Nexus or S3:victory:
Hi everyone, Nexus 4 is my very first Android phone in my life, I used to use Iphone even though I'm not an IFan. Here is my 2cents why I have to sell it.
Screen Display
Yes !! Nexus 4 comes with TRUE IPS LCD, seems like the same thing on LG OPTIMUS G which I saw at BB and I like it very much. But Nexus 4 is worse than Optiomus G's screen (IDK why?). First of all is it's brightness, my eye is get used to iPhone scrren which has white balance > 600 cd/m, Nexus 4 I bielieve is 470 cd/m ( Optimus G is 471 cd/m but idk why it so much brighter)
Second, the color saturation is so bad, comparing the my Iphone 4s beside, I can tell 4s screen is more colorful, better exposition and nicer contrast.
Low white balance hurts my eyes so badly when browsing website even in a bigger screen...
Except those reasons above, Nexus 4 is the good phone.
Good for you. Bad reasons in my opinion, but I digress
I bet everyone cares
cool story bro.
hopefully the other 3 posts you have made on this website have been just as insightful.
LOL, instagram hipster....
All those "problems" were fixed with gamma control. You lost out on a good phone.
Oh well, in the end it's all about what you want. If you want brighter and over saturated colors then go for it. I keep my phone on auto brightness, it's far from the highest brightness and never had a problem with it. The color seems nice, a little more realistic I think rather then over saturated. The iPhone's do have a nice color though from what I've seen but not a huge difference.
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Oh well, in the end it's all about what you want. If you want brighter and over saturated colors then go for it. I keep my phone on auto brightness, it's far from the highest brightness and never had a problem with it. The color seems nice, a little more realistic I think rather then over saturated. The iPhone's do have a nice color though from what I've seen but not a huge difference.
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^^yah this :good:
i don't know what a cd/m measures, but visually comparing my screen to my wife's iphone there is very little difference (apart from size) ...
If you like saturation and good contrast then try AMOLED devices like the S3, it might not look as good as the iPhone though. YMMV.
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Too be the screen can be very bright?? I keep my brightness on very low, colours are very nice imo but i think you are an ifan
Thanks for letting us know! Be sure to check back in and keep us updated on any other phone related decisions you make.
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I noticed, as other people did too, that the display gets periodically dimmer during use.
What I've discovered is that the display suffers from some "major" brightness throttling, as soon as the CPU reaches around 50°C, the brightness of the display will start to drop from around 410 cd/m² while idle to around 350 cd/m², and will go as low as 300 cd/m² if temperatures remain high. You get to that kind of temperature in about 5 mins of browsing heavy sites (The Verge for example), so you almost never get to actually enjoy the full brightness of the display doing anything heavy.
Personally, 300 cd/m² is way too low for a smartphone, 400 cd/m² is really the minimum for comfortable viewing in sunlight, so this is a total dealbreaker for me.
They really should have gone with a lower ppi screen, 445 ppi is completely overkill compared to 300ish, would have improved performance, battery life, and they wouldn't have needed to throttle the brightness so bad. More isn't always better I guess
If they didn't go with 445ppi screen then people would moan that the phone was last year's tech. Can't please everybody in this world. Plus, they wanted a 5" screen which needs a higher resolution otherwise the ppi would fall below the Nexus 4 - imagine the negative criticism that would create if this years phone had a worse display than last years!
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Yeah that wouldn't have been good at all. They have to go with the trend, and also yes I believe that the nexus is a consumer device but because its heavily used by developers like it should be, it will push them more to support XXHDPI displays. There are still many apps that aren't built with XXHDPI in mind and its ridiculous. Resources meant for 720p look awful on 1080p screens. Also I can see a huge difference between such PPI. Anyone who says they can't see the difference between 300ish PPI and 450ish must have terrible vision. I myself have pretty bad vision and can tell. I look at my old iPhone 4 sometimes (yes I was an iPhone owner how terrible) and my god that 320 some PPI looks really really bad compared to my One. Now we are getting to 1440p devices and that sounds crazy. Maybe. I will have to see for myself if 520+ PPI makes a difference to my One and soon to be nexus 5's 440+ PPI.
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shoco said:
I noticed, as other people did too, that the display gets periodically dimmer during use.
What I've discovered is that the display suffers from some "major" brightness throttling, as soon as the CPU reaches around 50°C, the brightness of the display will start to drop from around 410 cd/m² while idle to around 350 cd/m², and will go as low as 300 cd/m² if temperatures remain high. You get to that kind of temperature in about 5 mins of browing heavy sites (The Verge for example), so you almost never get to actually enjoy the full brightness of the display doing anything heavy.
Personally, 300 cd/m² is way too low for a smartphone, 400 cd/m² is really the minimum for comfortable viewing in sunlight in my opinion, so this is a total dealbreaker for me.
They really should have gone with a lower ppi screen, 445 ppi is completely overkill compared to 300ish, would have improved performance, battery life, and they wouldn't have needed to throttle the brightness so bad. More isn't always better I guess
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How else do you cool a phone that is over heating? There is no active cooling in these devices (i.e. no fan) so the only way to cool the device down is to dial in lower numbers. LG have gone for turning down the LED back-light, which means the CPU can run faster than it might otherwise if it was being baked by the display.
LEDs also hate being hot as they start to age very quickly, so this may also be protecting the backlights. Also the panel uses a high voltage, something like 30 volts to drive the LEDs using a DC-DC convertor, these are not 100% efficient so produce heat as well, another reason it might need to turn the LEDs down. You can't have a slim sexy looking mobile device with 2GHz quad core processor running 100% flat out without it overheating, so passive cooling is used.
This isn't unique to this phone, and many devices uses passive cooling in this way, even my Ivy Bridge desktop computer with a fan has the ability to turn down the CPU clock to help prevent heating issues.
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Phil
shoco said:
I noticed, as other people did too, that the display gets periodically dimmer during use.
What I've discovered is that the display suffers from some "major" brightness throttling, as soon as the CPU reaches around 50°C, the brightness of the display will start to drop from around 410 cd/m² while idle to around 350 cd/m², and will go as low as 300 cd/m² if temperatures remain high. You get to that kind of temperature in about 5 mins of browing heavy sites (The Verge for example), so you almost never get to actually enjoy the full brightness of the display doing anything heavy.
Personally, 300 cd/m² is way too low for a smartphone, 400 cd/m² is really the minimum for comfortable viewing in sunlight in my opinion, so this is a total dealbreaker for me.
They really should have gone with a lower ppi screen, 445 ppi is completely overkill compared to 300ish, would have improved performance, battery life, and they wouldn't have needed to throttle the brightness so bad. More isn't always better I guess
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Galaxy S4's Chrome would enable auto-brightness when you open it even though the phone has full-brightness enabled.
Not trying to tell anyone how to use their phone, but I see all these complaints about auto brightness and I can't help but wonder, am I the only person that doesn't use it? For years now I've disabled auto brightness on all my phones. I just use a widget that let's me quickly bring it up or down and to be honest its very easy and convenient. I've always felt that it was superior and less awkward than letting autobrightness adjust it for me. The battery savings are great too.
I dont understand why these people cannot make models that are 3 millimeter thicker so they can have all the things in them that we need. larger battery, heatsinks, stereo speaker, and so on. Will be returning it.
I've had no doctor tell me that 3mm extra on my phone will kill me.
Some day this "thin" fad will disappear and companies will start using their heads more when designing their products.
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Not trying to tell anyone how to use their phone, but I see all these complaints about auto brightness and I can't help but wonder, am I the only person that doesn't use it? For years now I've disabled auto brightness on all my phones. I just use a widget that let's me quickly bring it up or down and to be honest its very easy and convenient. I've always felt that it was superior and less awkward than letting autobrightness adjust it for me. The battery savings are great too.
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I never use auto brightness. It always makes the screen too bright. Also, never noticed any dimming, even after 2+ hrs surfing and gaming. Can't wait to see the status bar brightness slider make it back into a rom.
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alan-31 said:
I dont understand why these people cannot make models that are 3 millimeter thicker so they can have all the things in them that we need. larger battery, heatsinks, stereo speaker, and so on. Will be returning it.
I've had no doctor tell me that 3mm extra on my phone will kill me.
Some day this "thin" fad will disappear and companies will start using their heads more when designing their products.
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You can have all that, and for only about $300 more. You have several options, but this is THE best bang for your buck.
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Not trying to tell anyone how to use their phone, but I see all these complaints about auto brightness and I can't help but wonder, am I the only person that doesn't use it? For years now I've disabled auto brightness on all my phones. I just use a widget that let's me quickly bring it up or down and to be honest its very easy and convenient. I've always felt that it was superior and less awkward than letting autobrightness adjust it for me. The battery savings are great too.
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auto brightness kicks in even if you have it disabled.
It's normal for the Snapdragon 800. I had the Note 3 and it did the same thing and lowered the brightness more noticeably and during simple tasks such as web browsing. The HTC One does this to some extent, but the N5 handles it better than the Note 3. It's because the phone is thin with no fan to cool down the CPU.. it's normal, unfortunately- all 800s do it.
I love how a lot of people say that they want a lower PPI, but I can almost guarantee you that those same people would complain about this phone having "last year's specs" if it had a 720p screen.
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Wheres your proof on that. I've not seen it or seen my screen get dim
On S4 just run Chrome it will automatically adjust brightness upon start.
On nexus 5 (I noticed this only today myself), use the phone for 5-10 mins non stop, like browsing, Facebook, flickr, 500px and etc., once the CPU heats up it will start adjusting brightness itself.
In both cases, auto brightness is off in settings and the screen is set to full brightness.
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auto brightness kicks in even if you have it disabled.
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Lol , I just had to!
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aooga said:
I love how a lot of people say that they want a lower PPI, but I can almost guarantee you that those same people would complain about this phone having "last year's specs" if it had a 720p screen.
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They should just stick with the n4. Hell, I'll sell my gnex for $100 if someone wants 720p.
I've never noticed this... In fact my problem is that I don't use auto brightness because this screen is so freaking bright. I have it pegged at 20% and I have no problem even during the day seeing the screen.
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Hi again guys, for those of you who may be interested I found that it is possible to reduce the brightness throttling to some extent by using the app "faux kernel" and setting the mpdecision to "conservative" (using the Qualcomm MPdecision).
The good thing is that it doesn't negatively impact performance, the CPU will still run at max speed if need be but will more aggressively return to lower frequencies when not needed, reducing heating and improving battery life as well. Overall it allows you to browse and staying at around 350 cd/m² instead of dropping all the way to 300 cd/m², which is an improvement.
The problem here in my opinion is that the thermal throttling on the Snapdragon 800 is way too aggressive, 50°c is fine, they should let it go to 60°C before starting to throttle the brightness that hard, there's still plenty of leeway.
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I love how a lot of people say that they want a lower PPI, but I can almost guarantee you that those same people would complain about this phone having "last year's specs" if it had a 720p screen.
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I got an iPhone 5S yesterday as a replacement for the N5 that I'll be returning, there's litterally zero difference is clarity except for text when you're completely zoomed out that you couldn't read it anyway. In any normal use there's absolutely no benefit at all beyond 330ish ppi, I much prefer the screen of the iPhone 5/5S at 330 ppi with a consistent brightness of 550 cd/m². To me it's a much smarter compromise than 445 ppi throttled to death.
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I got an iPhone 5S yesterday as a replacement for the N5 that I'll be returning, there's litterally zero difference is clarity except for text when you're completely zoomed out that you couldn't read it anyway. In any normal use there's absolutely no benefit at all beyond 330ish ppi, I much prefer the screen of the iPhone 5/5S at 330 ppi with a consistent brightness of 550 cd/m². To me it's a much smarter compromise than 445 ppi throttled to death.
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How about selling it for your fellow xda member?
I can't order it at all.. need it in the next 7 days
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I got an iPhone 5S yesterday as a replacement for the N5 that I'll be returning, there's litterally zero difference is clarity except for text when you're completely zoomed out that you couldn't read it anyway. In any normal use there's absolutely no benefit at all beyond 330ish ppi, I much prefer the screen of the iPhone 5/5S at 330 ppi with a consistent brightness of 550 cd/m². To me it's a much smarter compromise than 445 ppi throttled to death.
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I love the completely lame excuses people give here saying they're going back to the 5s as if we're all supposed to bow down to their infinite wisdom. So really, the only thing that tipped you over was the brightness throttling? My theory is some people just buy the nexus 5, knowing they can return it for a full refund thinking it gives them a chance to come and bash it on the forum, if youre even telling the truth and you actually bought it.
Good riddance.
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I love the completely lame excuses people give here saying they're going back to the 5s as if we're all supposed to bow down to their infinite wisdom. So really, the only thing that tipped you over was the brightness throttling? My theory is some people just buy the nexus 5, knowing they can return it for a full refund thinking it gives them a chance to come and bash it on the forum, if youre even telling the truth and you actually bought it.
Good riddance.
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It's much harder to return the N5 than returning a product you would buy at retail, so no I wouldn't buy it just for the lolz, I genuinely thought, and still think, it's an amazing product. The thing is I can put up with mediocre battery life, dodgy viewing angles, but not with a dim display on top of that.
so how many disappointing threads are we gonna have?
I saw a report of someone in one of these threads that reported like a stuttering in videos that he believed was related to the qhd screen. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm curious if the guy was hallucinating, or maybe had a faulty unit. I'm on the fence between this and the moto x. I like the aesthetics and lack of hardware buttons on the x, but the specs are a hard thing to look over.....
I haven't noticed anything.
I have both the 2014 X and a Turbo. If you're one of those people who obsess over battery life and are afraid to plug in during the day, the X will make you miserable. It's not terrible battery life for me, but it can't make it through the entire day without a boost charge. The Turbo can easily make it through the day.
For aesthetics and comfort in the hand, you can't beat the X.
Both are great phones, but they're meant did different types of users.
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Nope no stutter at all. This baby is buttery smooth. Also the display is quad HD, or wqhd meaning wide quad high definition. qHD stands for Quarter High Definition and is a display resolution of 960x540. WQHD is equivalent to 2,560x1,440. Just so ya know.
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Nope no stutter at all. This baby is buttery smooth. Also the display is quad HD, or wqhd meaning wide quad high definition. qHD stands for Quarter High Definition and is a display resolution of 960x540. WQHD is equivalent to 2,560x1,440. Just so ya know.
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QHD is 2560x1440 right? Not just WQHD, and qhd is quarter. Guessing he ment Q not q.
Thanks guys! Yeah I meant quad HD. I have a g2 right now abd the digitizer is going out on it. I had the nexus before this so I haven't had hard buttons since the thunderbolt! I really like the aesthetics of the X but I don't know if I can pick aaesthetics over specs....
No stuttering on video playback for me. Sometimes it hiccups going through menus, I noticed this after having it for like a week or so. It's not bad though and pretty rare.
Haven't seen any stuttering on my unit, it's been a very pleasant media consumption device so far. I've probably streamed over 10 hours of video through Twitch, Youtube, and websites since getting it.
I watch about 2 seasons worth a day on Netflix, YouTube all the time. No stuttering whatsoever. Not even a small pause or lag. My turbo is liquid smooth and solid, and so should yours bottom line.
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In some reviews I’ve watched/read the reviewer has said that the v40 screen is nice but not as good as a Samsung s9 plus or note 9. If anyone has been able to compare I would like to know your opinion on this.
Easily the best screen LG has ever released. I find it pretty comparable to the S9 and Note. In the settings there are a ton of fine-tuning options for the screen including color saturation, so you can tweak the levels to your liking.
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I agree, when i watch PLEX at home without transcoding i find myself thinking that this looks better than my IPS monitors..
How is a brightness level comparing to Note 9 and G7?
I will say this, my wife has a Pixel 3 which has been found to have a Samsung screen, and I prefer my screen. Not only do we get total control of tuning color, but whites look more white on my LG.
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How is a brightness level comparing to Note 9 and G7?
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I have not compared it side-by-side with a Note 9, but from memory, I would say it is certainly at least equal. I did compare it with the G7 while in the store, and it seemed to be noticably brighter, not to mention FAR better looking. Its AMOLED is way better looking than the standard LCD in the G7, and leaps and bounds better than the disappointing V30 AMOLED.
Thx for your information. Did you compare the G7 with or without brightness boost?
I'm living in FL, therefore screen brightness is an issue for me.
I answer my own question: G7 display in boost mode is brighter than V40 display.
I have both testing out v40 before I have to give my note in for jump even tho I love the note 9 imma keep the v40 it wont let me post pics from mobile app I'll try from web
How's the grains on the screen? Any unevenness?
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How's the grains on the screen? Any unevenness?
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I don't detect any grains on the screen nor any unevenness. It definitely does not have any of the issues some V30s had.
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I don't detect any grains on the screen nor any unevenness. It definitely does not have any of the issues some V30s had.
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Thanks for the reply. I may pick one of these up.
I prefer it (slightly) over the Note 9.
Spent 4 hours in the store comparing them side-by-side, option to option. Both (and Pixel 3+) are very good, but "to me" the Note 9 seems "brightly" ... (which is my term for it seems to be 'backlit') whereas the V40 looks more natural. The differences are very slight and of course to my preference as my favorite salesperson at the store prefers the 'brightly' screen of the Note 9.
I think they're so close that it's really only a matter of personal preference.
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I prefer it (slightly) over the Note 9.
Spent 4 hours in the store comparing them side-by-side, option to option. Both (and Pixel 3+) are very good, but "to me" the Note 9 seems "brightly" ... (which is my term for it seems to be 'backlit') whereas the V40 looks more natural. The differences are very slight and of course to my preference as my favorite salesperson at the store prefers the 'brightly' screen of the Note 9.
I think they're so close that it's really only a matter of personal preference.
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What about "black crush"? and uniformity of dark grey at lowest brighness levels which V30 was mostly bashed for?
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What about "black crush"? and uniformity of dark grey at lowest brighness levels which V30 was mostly bashed for?
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If you're being funny, it's a hysterical question ... as when I imagine the test, or even the rational for such a test, I start laughing.
If you're being serious, I don't mean to sound condescending ...
... but I don't know how to entertain the question, as anyone bashing Black, Gray, White or colors at lowest brightness is on a fool's errand.
My imagination:
(... Hey Watson; let's turn down the wattage to the lowest it'll go and still produce an image then find fault with color saturation and separation!
But Inspector, at the lowest wattage certain color separations become too muted to differentiate, especially darker ones.
Yet there are a few that will make a rediculous argument just to keep their post count up, so let's get to work! ) LOLOL. Not pointing that at you Billy Madison, rather the fact that was really an argument, let alone a discussion.
In as serious an answer as I can give ... At 75% to 100% (or even 50%, which is about where I keep my phones the majority of times), the phone was significantly better than my V20 or V30.
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If you're being funny, it's a hysterical question ... as when I imagine the test, or even the rational for such a test, I start laughing.
If you're being serious, I don't mean to sound condescending ...
... but I don't know how to entertain the question, as anyone bashing Black, Gray, White or colors at lowest brightness is on a fool's errand.
My imagination:
(... Hey Watson; let's turn down the wattage to the lowest it'll go and still produce an image then find fault with color saturation and separation!
But Inspector, at the lowest wattage certain color separations become too muted to differentiate, especially darker ones.
Yet there are a few that will make a rediculous argument just to keep their post count up, so let's get to work! ) LOLOL. Not pointing that at you Billy Madison, rather the fact that was really an argument, let alone a discussion.
In as serious an answer as I can give ... At 75% to 100% (or even 50%, which is about where I keep my phones the majority of times), the phone was significantly better than my V20 or V30.
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I don't get why you find it a fool's errand. No one is expecting any screen to be the same at lowest brightness levels as it is at say 50-100%, but there are plenty of cases where a user might be using it at the lowest setting: movie theatre before the film starts, before bed in a dark room, outdoors at night, in a car at night, etc. Not everyone likes to have their phone very bright, especially in dark settings.
I personally have my phone at lowest setting at night—I tend to have my screen brightness significantly lower than my wife's phone and most people I know. I guess I have light sensitive eyes, and I'm sure there are others like that. It's not just to nitpick phone screens in less than optimal use cases.
Anyway, I think it'd be good to know what the screen is like at lowest brightness as well since I plan on getting this phone in the next couple months.
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I don't get why you find it a fool's errand. No one is expecting any screen to be the same at lowest brightness levels as it is at say 50-100%, but there are plenty of cases where a user might be using it at the lowest setting: movie theatre before the film starts, before bed in a dark room, outdoors at night, in a car at night, etc. Not everyone likes to have their phone very bright, especially in dark settings.
I personally have my phone at lowest setting at night—I tend to have my screen brightness significantly lower than my wife's phone and most people I know. I guess I have light sensitive eyes, and I'm sure there are others like that. It's not just to nitpick phone screens in less than optimal use cases.
Anyway, I think it'd be good to know what the screen is like at lowest brightness as well since I plan on getting this phone in the next couple months.
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I knew I'd upset someone with that post ... again, it's not an attack on anyone in particular.
I too turn my screen down quite low, (never minimum) ... but it's far from even 1% of use and such a infinately miniscule use that at those low wattages expecting great color separation in dark colors seems (to me) laughable.
I'm sorry if speaking my truth offends ... it's only an opinion ... and you know what they say about opinions... they're like butt holes; everyone has them and they both stink.
Sorry if mine stinks.
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I knew I'd upset someone with that post ... again, it's not an attack on anyone in particular.
I too turn my screen down quite low, (never minimum) ... but it's far from even 1% of use and such a infinately miniscule use that at those low wattages expecting great color separation in dark colors seems (to me) laughable.
I'm sorry if speaking my truth offends ... it's only an opinion ... and you know what they say about opinions... they're like butt holes; everyone has them and they both stink.
Sorry if mine stinks.
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I'm not upset or offended, your post was just very unhelpful in regards to the previous question, and unnecessarily snarky. Even if it's not a usual use case, that's what Billy was asking.
V30 had horrible graininess, banding, and color shifting, especially at low/minimum brightness settings in many units. I don't see what the issue is with asking if V40 fairs better. Especially since currently it is their flagship device and asking for around $900 for it. The display should at least be serviceable at all brightness levels without any major defects.
@Billy Madison from what I have read and seen in videos, the screen issues seem to have been fixed, but I too would like some further confirmation as to screen quality at low/minimum brightness levels. From what I can tell, it should be fine which is a large reason why I plan on getting this over the V30 even if the V30 at this point is basically half the price. But hopefully more people on XDA can advise whether they experience any issues at these brightness levels.
If there is a difference I don't see it.
Id say the screen is pretty darn good,especially at low light settings when its dark...the most uniform screen ive seen before. Much better than the wife's Note 9.
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Easily the best LG screen i've used, much better than what I saw on the old G Flex 2 and V30 in store. Zero uniformity issues from what I can tell and very similar to my note 9, minus some brightness and maybe some saturation.