Quick question, hope somebody more knowledgeable can help.
First of all, I come from the land of Nexus and Pixels, where unlocked bootloaders and rooting are fairly common. Recently, I've grown tired of having subpar hardware and some software choices made by Google, so the S10 family has finally caught my eye. However, all this chat about Knox, CSC, regional variants, dual SIMs, etc, etc, has got me fairly confused, even after hours of reading the S8, S9 and S10 XDA forums. So here are some questions:
1. Does rooting a Samsung phone always trip Knox? The thing is, I would very much like to root my future S10, but I'm fairly excited about Samsung Pay. Also, I don't want to permanently trip a fuse. I understand there's no going back after tripping Knox.
2. Can Magisk Hide help with Knox and Samsung Pay?
3. Can anybody confirm whether the Snapdragon Hong Kong version has an unlocked bootloader? I know Exynos can be rooted, but Gcam is a MUST for me. So this becomes a matter of choosing between the US version (U1), or the Hong Kong version (0). Furthermore, if root for HK version becomes possible, will it trip Knox and lose Samsung Pay? Basically, I don't see the point of getting the unlocked bootloader version if Knox will be tripped anyway. At that point I might as well get the US version and keep it unrooted.
From my limited knowledge, rooting will trip Knox, magisk hide will hide the root from certain apps but once you root say goodbye to Samsung pay.
Not only rooting triggers knox, it triggers knox too if you flash an samsung unsinged recovery like twrp, or a custom kernel etc. It seems, if you compile a kernel from source without any modification(stock alike), it triggers knox too. So not only the rooting process triggers knox.
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Hey everyone, I'm not necessarily new to the rooting/custom rom scene, I spent hours messing around with my Note 2, but I've got a quick question because I can't find a straight forward answer.
Basically I'm Australian and I own the SM-N910G variant of the phone, it's NOT locked and I have no logo on my boot screen. The 5.0.1 update for the 910G was released today, hazzah! But that's only on the non-carrier OTA, Vodafone has just stated "Failed testing, contacting Samsung" now due to both Vodafone AND Samsung being slow in nature, this could take weeks. I'm also SICK of Vodafone's bloatware and extreme delay with updates (over a year for the Note 2's 4.4.4), and I'm not willing to do any extreme modifying to this phone unlike my Note 2 because I'm still paying this phone off on my contract, last thing I need is to be left with a bricked or unsatisfactory phone when I'm still paying off.
Now for anyone who doesn't want to read all that,
MY QUESTION: Am I able to flash the stock SM-N910G 5.0.1, and change any future OTA's to be the ones straight from Samsung without voiding my warrenty or increasing my flash count or voiding my future OTA updates. And if I can, what's the best way to go about it?
Because I'm sick of waiting 6 months for Samsung to bring updates to Australia, then another 6 months for Vodafone to finish "testing" it.
Yes you can always through odin and as far as I'm aware it won't trip knox. As long as you don't root. Others in AUS tread flashed Indian via odin and it didn't trip knox
I was on my phone and didn't check the stickies, I apologize for being an idiot and will repost this in the correct sub-section.
Hi everyone. I had to share this. I've rooted my Note8 and flashed the official FW a couple of times. and yes it has now Knox 0x1 Varanty Void I flashed the official FW N950FXXU1AQI1 a couple days ago. Today just out of boredom I select the software update. it found an update and installed it!!! My Note8 has the build number N950FXXS1AQK9 now. Can anyone explain to me how is this possible?? I thought a Knox 0x1 phone can't get an OTA update!! :silly:
x-poke said:
Hi everyone. I had to share this. I've rooted my Note8 and flashed the official FW a couple of times. and yes it has now Knox 0x1 Varanty Void I flashed the official FW N950FXXU1AQI1 a couple days ago. Today just out of boredom I select the software update. it found an update and installed it!!! My Note8 has the build number N950FXXS1AQK9 now. Can anyone explain to me how is this possible?? I thought a Knox 0x1 phone can't get an OTA update!! :silly:
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I believe that the OTA updates don't work only when the software status is "custom". Even if Knox is tripped, you can flash full stock software and the phone will be "official" status.
Yes, OTA updates are available when official firmwares installed
x-poke said:
I thought a Knox 0x1 phone can't get an OTA update!! :silly:
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Wrong Knox only effects warranty(in some country's) and Knox related apps. S pay, secure folder etc
Mr.Ash.Man said:
Wrong Knox only effects warranty(in some country's) and Knox related apps. S pay, secure folder etc
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Is there a list of these countries? Also, is Samsung Pay working then?
NicklasFox said:
Is there a list of these countries? Also, is Samsung Pay working then?
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When KNOX is tripped? NO...
OTA updates work trip knox my device s8+ stock flash nougat rom ota update message install system update
NicklasFox said:
Is there a list of these countries? Also, is Samsung Pay working then?
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it depends on local laws regarding warranty.
I know in many European countries having modified software is not enough proof of user error, so regardless of policies they have to honor warranty unless it's specifically a defect caused by software modifications.
so if you delete your imei or bootloader or burn out your CPU with overclocking they can still deny warranty, but they can't deny repairs of known issues(like note 4's motherboard degradation, or note 7 self combustion) just because your device is flagged.
thedicemaster said:
it depends on local laws regarding warranty.
I know in many European countries having modified software is not enough proof of user error, so regardless of policies they have to honor warranty unless it's specifically a defect caused by software modifications.
so if you delete your imei or bootloader or burn out your CPU with overclocking they can still deny warranty, but they can't deny repairs of known issues(like note 4's motherboard degradation, or note 7 self combustion) just because your device is flagged.
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You will have to consider the difference between on one hand warranty, a service that is completely voluntary and not dictated by law and on the other hand different consumer protective laws of the countries.
A company decides the terms of the warranty freely, but what they can not do is to undercut the consumer laws of the country in question. They can give better terms to the consumer, but they will have to honour the conditions of the consumer law.
The difference in most countries is that you will have to handle thing that is not covered by warranty with the SELLER while things covered by warranty can be handled directly with the manufacturers service points.
If Samsung says that the tripped Knox bit voids warranty they are in full right to do this and you will have to demand the seller to replace or repair the phone in this case, unless they can make it probable that the tripped Knox bit caused the problem.
Sadly, many sellers are not even aware of this, so they just refer you to Samsung’s warranty conditions as if only they are applicable to the issue. This is not the case and you will have to read up on your consumer rights and the protection you as a consumer have in your countries laws.
Good morning all,
I've just discovered this wonderful forum and the world of android modding/rooting etc. I am looking to purchase the following model SM-N960FZKHBTU direct from Samsung in the United Kingdom. I am assuming and hoping I will get the Exynos cpu? Please could some inform me if I buy direct from Samsung can I remove a lot of the bloat apps without rooting? Stuff like Facebook and heavily embedded apps? I don't want to root initial incase I wish to take part in the upgrade program, where one of the conditions of the ToS must be Knox not being tripped.
Please could anyone from the UK share their experiences.
Many thanks for taking the time to read this.
If you purchase your Note 9 directly from Samsung UK. You are guaranteed to get the Exynos variant. However you will not be able to remove any of the Samsung Bloatware without tripping Knox after you have rooted your device. Also rooting your device will void your warranty.
It's my understanding that these are not US models and therefore can not use many features like Samsung pay. But mine was purchased in the US, by a US trailer (Rent A Center). I really would like to USE all of these features, which I guess I can do by fishing a firmware? If so which would be the one to flash to use on GSM networks? I hear also that this model can be rooted, is that possible if I install another versions firmware? Is there any guides to the firmware and rooting available for the n9600?
Bumping this. I'm frustrated with how locked down this phone is to where I can't even use Samsung Pay.
This screen shot is my information. I'm looking through the Snapdragon section. I'm not wanting to be rooted especially if I still won't be able to use Samsung Pay. Can someone please point me in the right direction?
Hi I found on ebay for a really good price Samsung N960F but the seller says it's only problem with the phone is that it has Knox Warranty Void 1. It's major problem or you can live with that? Thanks for your help
I think a more pertinent question is can you live with that.
It shouldn't hurt performance of the phone.
It will likely only void any warranty.
I believe that the F mark is rootable. That's likely how Knox got tripped.
If Knox is tripped all payment apps cease to work.
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If Knox is tripped all payment apps cease to work.
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Also the Secure Folder and Samsung Health would be disabled on your device once Knox is tripped. That said if you can live without those, then yeah the Note 9 is worth the money. I purchased the N960N Special Edition 512GB model and I love it.