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audio quality and camera quite a bit worse than razr m?

can it be so? according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p6.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p7.php
thought the audio chip and camera nternals would be the same

alpha beta gaga said:
can it be so? according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p6.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p7.php
thought the audio chip and camera nternals would be the same
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Different SoC's have different DAC's (Digital-to-Analog-Converters [Audio Chips]). Exynos, for example, has the awesome Wolfson DAC, which you can use the Voodoo Audio mod with. The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 has a different, but still very good one. So yeah, it makes sense that this Intel one [probably] has a different DAC considering you're talking about an entire system on a chip. The camera, however is independent and has nothing to do with the SoC. So if Motorola decided to use a lesser quality camera on the i than the M, that was an independent decision.

alpha beta gaga said:
can it be so? according to
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p6.php
http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_razr_i_xt890-review-828p7.php
thought the audio chip and camera nternals would be the same
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Personal experience is that the i has a better camera than the M, but that both are mediocre. Kind of hilarious that the i had a dedicated camera button for a shoddy camera.
-Sent from my Razr i on AT&T.-

Product F(RED) said:
Different SoC's have different DAC's (Digital-to-Analog-Converters [Audio Chips]). Exynos, for example, has the awesome Wolfson DAC, which you can use the Voodoo Audio mod with. The Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 has a different, but still very good one. So yeah, it makes sense that this Intel one [probably] has a different DAC considering you're talking about an entire system on a chip. The camera, however is independent and has nothing to do with the SoC. So if Motorola decided to use a lesser quality camera on the i than the M, that was an independent decision.
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You're talking about Exynos 4412.
Don't confuse it with 4210 which has the worst audio chips ever made in mankind. (Yamaha)

Livebyte said:
You're talking about Exynos 4412.
Don't confuse it with 4210 which has the worst audio chips ever made in mankind. (Yamaha)
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I'm talking about the current-gen model. I've had the Epic 4G Touch when I was on Sprint (it had the Exynos 4210) and yes it was really bad (flat-sounding). I was trying to illustrate a point though.

maybe not quite as techincal as the gsmarena review but certainly not a 'poor' camera here
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/smartphones/1294792/motorola-razr-i

Can anyone that owns the Razr i please comment on the audio quality? I'm planning on buying this phone, but I listen to music on my phone for hours every day and am buying a new phone, because the audio connector on my Desire is bust. I'm only interested in the sound quality through headphones.

i've just compared it to the gnex. not great i'm afraid. quite a bit of 'hiss'. a few seconds after play comes to a stop, you'll hear a nasty 'clicking off' sound. not quite sure what it is but it is not there on the gnex. i really wanted to love this phone but audio quality is a let down. for that reason alone, i'll be sticking with my gnex and returning the i tomorrow

You've got to be kidding me, how hard can it be to get this right.

I disagree. I am not an audiophile but I find the sound pretty much as good as any other device I have had. There is hiss when not listening to anything but it seems to go away when I am listening to something.
Anyway, I really think its ok.

The Jones said:
There is hiss when not listening to anything but it seems to go away when I am listening to something
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that is true, you'll only notice it on quiet areas of songs. but those same areas have no hiss at all on the gnex. i'm not trying to big up the gnex here but quality of audio output via headphones is pretty important to me and the hiss i find is unacceptable

Honestly I haven't noticed a hiss when listening to things. I mainly listen to podcasts which have lots of quiet sections and little music. I will turn my ears to the potential hiss next time my headphones are plugged in.
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Just got my new XT890. Excellent phone. Have played some MP3s and haven't noticed any problem till now. This phone has much better sound quality than my previous Huawei. Also the results of sound measurement in gsmarena review are similar to those of HTC One X review:
I think the methods of sound quality measurements aren't very accurate and strongly depends on the environment, measuring equipment and event on the specific phone unit (I think such type of benchmarks should be repeated on several units to control convergence of results).

MotoXT890 said:
Just got my new XT890. Excellent phone. Have played some MP3s and haven't noticed any problem till now. This phone has much better sound quality than my previous Huawei. Also the results of sound measurement in gsmarena review are similar to those of HTC One X review:
I think the methods of sound quality measurements aren't very accurate and strongly depends on the environment, measuring equipment and event on the specific phone unit (I think such type of benchmarks should be repeated on several units to control convergence of results).
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I'm not scientific with my sound reviews but from my personal experience my XT912 RAZR sounded "meh" quality.
My HTC One S sounded great, probably because of the whole Beats thing.
My RAZR i is on par with my HTC One S for sound quality.
This is all done from me driving around in my '97 Olds with a Cassette to MP3 adapter so take it with a grain of salt... but I am happy with the quality
Nice name by the way

Could it be, that only some handsets are affected? Because a few people complain about the quality, and a few say it's completely fine. And only one reviewer mentioned the problem. I had the obnoxious clicking sound when a track stopped on the Desire aswell, and I would really love, if the Razr i wouldn't have that problem. Could a beter set of headphones help? Me buying this phone is riding on this, because I really love it so far, a compact all-rounder, that has a lovely design, and is something special.

alpha beta gaga said:
i've just compared it to the gnex. not great i'm afraid. quite a bit of 'hiss'. a few seconds after play comes to a stop, you'll hear a nasty 'clicking off' sound. not quite sure what it is but it is not there on the gnex. i really wanted to love this phone but audio quality is a let down. for that reason alone, i'll be sticking with my gnex and returning the i tomorrow
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update: the tables have turned! i had a 2nd razr i delivered over the weekend. this unit has no noticeable 'hiss' as described above. not sure if the 1st unit was defective or something moto have amended in newer batches? either way i'm more than happy with the audio quality now on the replacement razr i and can fully recommend it to others. i'll be keeping the razr and returning the gnex yes the gnex is still marginally ahead audio quality wise. but the trade off with having a device that can store my entire music collection on removeable sd vs slightly lesser audio performance is well worth it imo.
both units were from reputable online retailers.

Oh dreaded Moto! Defy speaker problem repeats itself? Can you check serial numbers (and other info) on the stickers on both boxes? Perhaps they've different manufacturing dates.

it is not the loudspeaker. i'm talking about listening with headphones. i'll look at the boxes later at post back

Yeah, Defy problem wasn't exactly this one, but it was massive and annoying and moto had to admit the issue later.

alpha beta gaga said:
it is not the loudspeaker. i'm talking about listening with headphones. i'll look at the boxes later at post back
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& what serial number it has?

[Q] Deciding between the 8x and 810?

T-Mobile is pretty much the only option for me. I have a 4-line family plan and ATT would cost me $60 more a month which is $1440 more over the 2yr contract so as much as I'd like the 920, it's not really an option.
That said, at first I was set on the 8x. I have an HD7 now which has served me well until recently. I now have a fubar charging scenario where 50% of the time I unplug the phone, I get frozen in charge mode and the ONLY way to fix it is to pull the battery. If this new HTC incurs the same issue, without a pullable battery I'd be screwed, right?
Also, from what I can tell, the only advantage the 8x has over the 810 is the screen resolution/pixel density. Everything else seems to be either a wash or an edge to the 810 (microSD, Drive/Music apps). Plus, call me picky, but I don't care for the near-purple version of the 8x that T-Mo carries so I'd have to put a cover on it.
I guess what I'm asking is, is the screen enough to warrant the extra cost, lack of microsd slot, Nokia apps?

Try to compare the screens side by side and you will know is it worth it....
Because what I know about this for a fact is Nokia apps_Nokia apps_Nokia apps_Nokia apps_Nokia apps, very important :cyclops: Probably more Nokia goodies to come also.

Loco5150 said:
Try to compare the screens side by side and you will know is it worth it....
Because what I know about this for a fact is Nokia apps_Nokia apps_Nokia apps_Nokia apps_Nokia apps, very important :cyclops: Probably more Nokia goodies to come also.
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There-in lies a problem. None of the T-Mo stores around me have a working 810 OR 8x. The closest store to me told me they only received two of each to sell (this is a suburb with 60k people in a metropolitan area with 2 million people).

For me the removable battery and sd slot along with changeable covers is the deal breaker, I only want a pixel perfect screen in the living room

It was a very hard decision but I choose the HTC 8x over the Nokia simply because the 8x has better hardware

Don't forget beats audio, great front camera and better build quality of the 8X.

Went with the 810 myself, very happy. Nokia drive is far superior to anything else I've used. What sold it for me, after the micro SD, was Nokia music. I live in a dead spot so data rarely works and still having a playlist of new music is really nice.
beats audio doesn't seem to me to be that big a deal. I have done a personal comparison between an HTC with beats and my 810... I couldn't tell the difference.
What it always comes down to, is what do you want to do with it, then you find the phone that best matches your needs...
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aksmurf said:
Went with the 810 myself, very happy. Nokia drive is far superior to anything else I've used. What sold it for me, after the micro SD, was Nokia music. I live in a dead spot so data rarely works and still having a playlist of new music is really nice.
beats audio doesn't seem to me to be that big a deal. I have done a personal comparison between an HTC with beats and my 810... I couldn't tell the difference.
What it always comes down to, is what do you want to do with it, then you find the phone that best matches your needs...
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Couldn't tell the diff??? are you deaf? regardless of what you think about the over manipulated sound of beats there is a huge diff is sound. Try getting an 8x and turning beats on then off. Its esp noticeable with headphones like bose ae2 (what I use and beats headphones themselves).
Beats = louder crisper base and higher high end on cheap headphones you can lose the mids but if audio is what you like why use cheap headphones.

Better build quality of X8? Really, HTC would actually have a better build quality....
And you can see from my sig I have had quite a few HTC's lately

I have the 810, and it is smooth, fast, and high quality. Very glad I chose it over 8x. Nokia games are nice too.

lumpaywk said:
Couldn't tell the diff??? are you deaf? regardless of what you think about the over manipulated sound of beats there is a huge diff is sound. Try getting an 8x and turning beats on then off. Its esp noticeable with headphones like bose ae2 (what I use and beats headphones themselves).
Beats = louder crisper base and higher high end on cheap headphones you can lose the mids but if audio is what you like why use cheap headphones.
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Beats cheat. They increase the volume of the music, so for an equivalent test, you have to adjust the volume down. Beats are COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY USELESS. What is more useful in the 8X audio wise is the audio amp present in the 8X.

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Beats cheat. They increase the volume of the music, so for an equivalent test, you have to adjust the volume down. Beats are COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY USELESS. What is more useful in the 8X audio wise is the audio amp present in the 8X.
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Nokia has Dolby headphones which is very nice.

aptness leaderships said:
Nokia has Dolby headphones which is very nice.
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I normally would not compare software enhancement to music, but would rather turn it off and decide from there. However, I would be willing to try the sound of the 810 against the 8x. However, no one I know have a 820 afaik. Well, the 920 is comming out soon in my country so maybe I can report back about the 920.

lumpaywk said:
........ Try getting an 8x and turning beats on then off. Its esp noticeable with headphones like bose ae2 (what I use and beats headphones themselves).
Beats = louder crisper base and higher high end on cheap headphones you can lose the mids but if audio is what you like why use cheap headphones.
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I worked this year at IFA 2012 in Berlin, a big european exhibition for consumer electronic products. Beats Audio presented there their headphones and what schoul I say: they had a good bass beat (could be better, especially for the size of the headphones), good sound, but they are too expensive for this sound quality (same like bose, "good" sound but too expensive). The sound details are not play back really well, and high Frequencies are not clear as it could be. The mids are too "flat"...............
Conclusion: too expensive for this sound quality.
Denon, Teufel, Beyerdynamic, Phonac or B&W in ears have a better sound quality than beats audio or bose at the same price range. Better bass, mid and treble playback, better Detailresolution.
The beats audio funktion in 8X, level up frequencies like an equalizer, uses an own Amplifier, that ensures distortion-free playback at high levels, specially for big headsets, who needs more power. Thats it.
I read that special EQ-presets are available, when you use a beats audio Headset, but i dont know if that's true................ i use a denon in ear with my 8X and the sound is nearly perfect....
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Audio Quality on Nexus 6?

All I can say is the audio quality through the headphone jack, and speaker on the Note 4 is garbage! That does not make it a bad phone, because with all its other features, the Note 4 is awesome but for an avid audiophile like me, my phone needs a great DAC/ headphone jack. The iphone 6+ Does have fantastic audio quality, but I use android phones as my workhorse, and Ipad as my consumption device, so iPhone is out for me. I am REALLY hoping that since the Nexus 6 has the 2 front facing stereo speakers, that it is being pushed by a strong high quality DAC. I currently have the M8 , and the audio is quite nice, but I have always wanted a nexus device after owning the HTC Nexus 1 , and the Nexus 6 checks all the boxes for me personally. It just has to have great audio and battery life and I'm sold! Hopefully we can get some reviews of the big sexy nexus before pre ordering starts?

I will admit, I am no audiophile. Can you go into detail on what exactly you notice in a bad audio output?

What headphones are you using?
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What headphones are you using?
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V-Modda M100's, B&W P7"s

Schoat333 said:
I will admit, I am no audiophile. Can you go into detail on what exactly you notice in a bad audio output?
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Hiss at higher volumes. Crosstalk/ Interference. Lack of soundstage or depth in the audio. Or lack of volume and "punch" in bass. I'm no "hardcore audiophile" that will ONLY listen to FLAC/ High Res music, as I listen quite often to Play Music on the go and at work @ 320kbps track that are streamed to me. But when reviewing new music or at the house wanting to check out new tracks and just want to be taken in by the music, then I load up some 24-bit/192kHz files, Ah the beauty of Android!
I know I can get a dedicated music player that serves this need, and I have one (Still have my old Zune 120 but with the way digital music distribution being so awesomely convenient through Gplay Store/ Itunes, I just like having a device that can "do it all" if I can find one. The Nexus being pure Android, "supposedly" all day battery life" Amazing screen, with hopefully excellent audio performance and supports High res audio files, sounds like that perfect device for me... Crossing fingers.

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V-Modda M100's, B&W P7"s
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I'm not sure if root is available for the note4 yet, but if it is, install V4A. It helps to a degree. The nexus 5 is not a great when it comes to audio, however, with V4A installed, it is bearable. I use UE900 CIEM.
Edit: I am also hoping the N6 will have a powerful audio chip.

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V-Modda M100's, B&W P7"s
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How do you like the P7's? I bought the P5's years ago but admittedly they don't get much use. I have tried the P7's and while I'm not sure if their sound sig is for me, they were insanely comfortable.
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Hiss at higher volumes. Crosstalk/ Interference. Lack of soundstage or depth in the audio. Or lack of volume and "punch" in bass. I'm no "hardcore audiophile" that will ONLY listen to FLAC/ High Res music, as I listen quite often to Play Music on the go and at work @ 320kbps track that are streamed to me. But when reviewing new music or at the house wanting to check out new tracks and just want to be taken in by the music, then I load up some 24-bit/192kHz files, Ah the beauty of Android!
I know I can get a dedicated music player that serves this need, and I have one (Still have my old Zune 120 but with the way digital music distribution being so awesomely convenient through Gplay Store/ Itunes, I just like having a device that can "do it all" if I can find one. The Nexus being pure Android, "supposedly" all day battery life" Amazing screen, with hopefully excellent audio performance and supports High res audio files, sounds like that perfect device for me... Crossing fingers.
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If it helps, the new Moto G, a £150/$180 phone, comes with an excellent DAC. Its even more impressive given the price of the device.
I can only assume they'll implement the same solution as in the Moto X. Unfortunately I can't comment on that, but I'd assume it's at least equal or better than the Moto X.
Obviously it can't compare to any dedicated player though. I still regularly notice the huge difference between my Note 2/3 Z3 experience and my old ipod touch 3rd gen. iPod destroys everything still.

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I'm not sure if root is available for the note4 yet, but if it is, install V4A. It helps to a degree. The nexus 5 is not a great when it comes to audio, however, with V4A installed, it is bearable. I use UE900 CIEM.
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Yeah those UE900's are some mighty fine phones my friend! But yeah I just want superb audio out of the box without tweaking. I know I can get it if I go back to apple for a phone, but I use iPad, so to me having an iPhone with its boring software when I already have an iPad that I use for consumption/work just seems like unnecessary overkill. As I use Android as my workhorse/EDC device. I have the HTC One M8 right now, and its close to what I want, but I don't particularly care for the software, except Blinkfeed, and I loath the camera. Headphone audio is damn good only because it is the loudest phone on the market right now due to the DAC having to push the BoomSound speakers and also pushing that same power to the headphone jack. But louder is not always better. The iphone 6 Plus's audio quality is quite a bit better, but not as loud, or "punchy". I hope its not too much to expect excellent audio quality with the way Googs is going away from the decently priced cutting corners Nexus devices to the absolute best Android has to offer Android device, which is what the N6 is sounding like they are marketing it has.

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If it helps, the new Moto G, a £150/$180 phone, comes with an excellent DAC. Its even more impressive given the price of the device.
I can only assume they'll implement the same solution as in the Moto X. Unfortunately I can't comment on that, but I'd assume it's at least equal or better than the Moto X.
Obviously it can't compare to any dedicated player though. I still regularly notice the huge difference between my Note 2/3 Z3 experience and my old ipod touch 3rd gen. iPod destroys everything still.
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I know right.. I think Apple's audio superiority comes from the fact that they use a totally separate processing unit, independent of the processor for Audio processing. Where as Android phones generally use qualcomm's SOC and they dont have there own dedicated DAC. I may be mistaken on some of that lingo, but I think its close enough.

"The Nexus 6 comes with a pair of stereo speakers on the front, just like HTC’s phones. And just like the phones from Taiwan, Google’s phablet gives brilliant sound quality. Movies really draw you in with the combination of that huge screen and those crisp speakers And we could fill the whole house with music just with the Nexus 6
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awareunlikeu said:
V-Modda M100's, B&W P7"s
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I am a M-100 user as well, hell year brother!
As for audio quality, personally I never use something as spread out as a Cellphone/Smartphone for quality music listening. Most of the time they are not equipped with the proper magic for good audio compared to PMP's and other quality audio sources. That is why I still carry around a PMP for most of my music listening (Better HW for sound, Storage all for Music, Separate battery for Music).
I know it's almost archaic to still have a PMP and a SmartPhone since the latter can technically do both, but if you want the best audio quality it's best to get a PMP for your audiophile needs. I suggest taking a look for this if you are curious for a PMP recommendation: http://www.fiio.com.cn/products/index.aspx?ID=100000060437344&MenuID=105026016
As for the N6, its up in the air. But I usually would not bet my wallet that it would make a quality music player. It might be good for some music here and there but as a whole with pro cans it just might not be enough to get the most out of them.

To me the original Moto X audio quality through headphones was great. I ordered a Nexus 5 trying to decide which one to keep and ended up sending the Nexus back. One of the reasons was the audio wasn't as good as the X. I HOPE the N6 will be just as good. Motorola hasn't let me down yet.

I wonder if the N6 will be able to play FLAC lossless files. I really would like to hear my music in it's purist form. I have tried looking on Moto's and Google's spec websites and there is nothing about the audio part of the device....

racerxe24 said:
I wonder if the N6 will be able to play FLAC lossless files. I really would like to hear my music in it's purist form. I have tried looking on Moto's and Google's spec websites and there is nothing about the audio part of the device....
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I am fairly sure FLAC files are supported by the current version of android. I just flashed a completely stock rom, no root on my N5 and I am able to play FLAC on it using Shuttle+.

Power amp pro is worth the purchase. It made my N3 sound soooo much better. Out of the speaker, headphones, and aux out for playing music. Also ViperFX and Volume+ were good at tweaking your sound.

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Power amp pro is worth the purchase. It made my N3 sound soooo much better. Out of the speaker, headphones, and aux out for playing music. Also ViperFX and Volume+ were good at tweaking your sound.
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+1 for Poweramp

I'm curious how the front speqkers compare to my m8. I love the audio on this phone.
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There are 2 main improvement in android L for sound: low latency and usb-enabled headphones. I'm not an audiophile myself but I guess for startes those two should make a difference.
That being said, unfortunatly, headphones quality output is something hard to tell without specific reviews.

awareunlikeu said:
I know right.. I think Apple's audio superiority comes from the fact that they use a totally separate processing unit, independent of the processor for Audio processing. Where as Android phones generally use qualcomm's SOC and they dont have there own dedicated DAC. I may be mistaken on some of that lingo, but I think its close enough.
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Funny you talk about Apple's "audio superiority" when their headphone jacks across iPad, PowerBook/MacBook, iPhone, and iPod lines have been poorly grounded for years.

Headphone Output Quality

I'm coming from a Oneplus One a much better phone for music than my poor old Galaxy S2. How does the Oneplus 3 do compared to its predecessor's? Is it loud, undistorted, have a good range in its built-in DAC for the 3.5mm Jack?
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I haven't got mine yet although from all the reviews i've seen they say the earphone quality is good

It sound really good in my opinion. Even better than my Samsung GT I9000

Yes, with sony headphone the quality is very good
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maxl96 said:
It sound really good in my optionion. Even better than my Samsung GT I9000
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No wonder it's gonna be better than a 6 year old phone.

Loving the sound from my Xiaomi Mi Piston 3 on my Oneplus 3..!

It easily tops the quality and power of the Nexus 6. My completely stock OP3 sounds just as good and loud as my rooted N6 using Viper4Android.

Not bad at all, much better than my Nexus 5X.

Sound quality is good and I was a bit worried when I got mine. Coming from a Huawei P8, which I found to be great, I have been very happy with OP3.
I use Neutron player and after I took time to disable some features and enable others, I am very pleased. Output is loud and clear makes my earbuds boom nicely. Overall, no complaints at all. Speaker volume on the other hand... not as good as I'd like.
But, headphone, for me anyway, is most important.

R3Lax1 said:
No wonder it's gonna be better than a 6 year old phone.
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Thats exactly what i was thinking

R3Lax1 said:
No wonder it's gonna be better than a 6 year old phone.
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Thats exactly what i was thinking
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Right, so you clearly have no idea :laugh:
Maybe you should look up the Wolfson WM8994

maxl96 said:
Right, so you clearly have no idea :laugh:
Maybe you should look up the Wolfson WM8994
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We are talking about normal Android devices and not some piece of sh*t you found somewhere on the Internet...

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We are talking about normal Android devices and not some piece of sh*t you found somewhere on the Internet...
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Ahem... I think that the Wolfson WM8994 is the audio chipset of the first Samsung galaxy ( am i right ? ) not a phone...

It has the generic Snapdragon converter. Nothing special but sound quality is decent through the h/phone out. When I had the phone I used it a couple of times with both Grado and Sennheiser cans. No real complaints, not amazing. Good enough imho.

We see here again in this thread that many people mean "loud" when they say "good quality".
Yes, the signal level on the headphone jack is quite high. This has the advantage that high-impedance headphones (i.e. "those big ones for audiophiles") work without problems with the OP3 and are loud enough; on many smartphones, this is not the case.
Furthermore, the dynamic range is really good. I.e., the difference between the quietest and the loudest parts of a recording is reproduced quite faithfully. This is also not a given on smartphones.
The actual sound quality (!) is absolutely OK but of course not on the level of more advanced DACs.
The non-audiophile listener with his usual MP3s of pop music will be completely content.

toy57 said:
Ahem... I think that the Wolfson WM8994 is the audio chipset of the first Samsung galaxy ( am i right ? ) not a phone...
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I never said it's a phone. Do I?

The Wolfson is actually the DAC which is used in The Galaxy S and there was an App called Voodoo Controller by Supercurio which enabled really undistorted and clear output.
Wolfson DACs where also used in some BMW and Mercedes by the way...

Finally mines arrived been using it for a day listening with inateck Aries earphones and I'm very impressed good amount of bass and undistorted Highs. Using viper on oxygenos. Way better than my s2 and not massively better than my oneplus one.

hasenbein1966 said:
We see here again in this thread that many people mean "loud" when they say "good quality".
Yes, the signal level on the headphone jack is quite high. This has the advantage that high-impedance headphones (i.e. "those big ones for audiophiles") work without problems with the OP3 and are loud enough; on many smartphones, this is not the case.
Furthermore, the dynamic range is really good. I.e., the difference between the quietest and the loudest parts of a recording is reproduced quite faithfully. This is also not a given on smartphones.
The actual sound quality (!) is absolutely OK but of course not on the level of more advanced DACs.
The non-audiophile listener with his usual MP3s of pop music will be completely content.
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So the sound quality is average as for the phone? So probably big difference compared to good quality mp3 player? I was thinking if zte axon 7 has really better sound quality or just dolby, useless for music 32bit. People say it's noticeably better, but just because it has more bass or whatever, or with dolby on when it can get only worse for music.
Maybe you or anyone else knows something about sound quality, has a good headphones to check it, has some comparison to good portable audio player or decent phone.
I'm not an audiophile but I can appreciate sound quality more than others, I'm using old Cowon j3 player and it sounds really well. Have also OPO which I'm using with Spotify, but can hear sound degradation over Cowon
When it's loud, or has a lot of bass or hurting ears high tones says nothing about sound quality. I would like to know how is the soundstage, if the instruments are separate, if they are heard well not mixed up with other sounds, if the sound is flat or not, you said the dynamic range is fine, that's good.
Do anyone know what sound chip is inside OP3?

General PSA: Don't buy this phone if your intention is to use it as a dedicated music player.

Unfortunately, the headphone amplification is lackluster, has a high noise floor, and is generally not rich. Bass does not stand out and cymbals and trumpets are particularly unpleasant to listen to. This is the first Xiaomi phone I've purchased so I can't speak for other devices, but this is pretty bad. The rest of the phone, however, is absolutely excellently priced hardware with the battery life being especially fantastic.
Will continue plugging in headphones into my Fiio BTR5 until a phone comes out that can beat a Bluetooth DAC's richness in sound quality .

MegaHaos said:
Unfortunately, the headphone amplification is lackluster, has a high noise floor, and is generally not rich. Bass does not stand out and cymbals and trumpets are particularly unpleasant to listen to. This is the first Xiaomi phone I've purchased so I can't speak for other devices, but this is pretty bad. The rest of the phone, however, is absolutely excellently priced hardware with the battery life being especially fantastic.
Will continue plugging in headphones into my Fiio BTR5 until a phone comes out that can beat a Bluetooth DAC's richness in sound quality .
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The title should be revised to: "don't expect too much on a 200 dollar phone. You just wasted your money expecting a good DAC on this phone."

kpratama24 said:
The title should be revised to: "don't expect too much on a 200 dollar phone. You just wasted your money expecting a good DAC on this phone."
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For those who don't follow these phones often and expect budget smartphone DACs to have progressed as much as other aspects of budget devices, it's not entirely unreasonable to assume that the audio quality would be decent.
It's also sad that this topic isn't brought up as much as it should be as the DAC performance in smartphones at all price points is usually neglected. I can understand it somewhat, as the average consumer is clueless in this aspect and usually doesn't care about audio quality beyond the most basic level, but it's still sad nonetheless.

It's funny, but the Redmi Note 10 had a good audio quality overall, miles far away from this device.
And the Mi series, are always better, of course, there is some price difference.
I like to play instrumental music and, definitely, this is not a good device for that.
Anyway, I didn't search deep inside some Magisk module or some modded app that can tweak this, maybe it exists.