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OnePlus and Display Color Accuracy

Ordered my OnePlus last week (I'm upgrading from a Moto X 2015 Pure) and I'm looking forward to getting it. I've been looking over various reviews and came across this one by AnandTech, regarding the display color/accuracy:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10411/the-oneplus-3-review/4
The OnePlus doesn't score very high on the benchmarks that were used, but what I'm curious about is why OnePlus chose to render NTSC color space, instead of the more widely accepted RGB standard?
The author of the review states:
"After reaching out to OnePlus, explaining why the choice of the NTSC color space as a target doesn't make any sense, and showing the errors it causes with sRGB rendition, they told me that they now intend to offer an sRGB mode as an option in an upcoming OTA update."
Is this something that can be tweaked once I get the phone or will I have to wait? I know color accuracy may not be a big deal to many of you, a lot displays are overly saturated straight from factory anyways, but I've also been seeing reports of green tint etc by various reviews/users. I just wanted to post this information here and wanted to know what your thoughts/opinions are about this.

I feel the display has more of a blue tint than a green.
Some of the issues can be fixed through software, imo. Not all.
The display as it is, isn't as bad as that suggests. But it could be improved for sure. I think they've tried to oversaturate to compensate for the panel.

I think this was a gamble to actually appeal to more customers. This is not very surprising. TVs in the store also often have "presentation" mode with very vivid color (not correct ones) to catch peoples attention. Only those who care calibrate later for best color reproduction. In the store, vivid picture sells the device. Before technical analyses came out, there were plenty of reviews (if not all) saying how good display looks. Most were saying that sure, it would be good to have 2K, but this 1080 screen still looks great, etc. No complaints about color.
I think many people would point and say that screen with very vivid colors looks better next to perfectly calibrated (not so vivid screen). That is just how it is. For a company (Oneplus) that depends on internet sales (not sales through carriers) it probably wasn't a good decision after all. With so much hype and scrutiny going around "sRGB mode as an option" probably should've been there to begin with, so technical people have less to complain about and pop out colors crowd had their treat as well.

Droff said:
I think this was a gamble to actually appeal to more customers. This is not very surprising. TVs in the store also often have "presentation" mode with very vivid color (not correct ones) to catch peoples attention. Only those who care calibrate later for best color reproduction. In the store, vivid picture sells the device. Before technical analyses came out, there were plenty of reviews (if not all) saying how good display looks. Most were saying that sure, it would be good to have 2K, but this 1080 screen still looks great, etc. No complaints about color.
I think many people would point and say that screen with very vivid colors looks better next to perfectly calibrated (not so vivid screen). That is just how it is. For a company (Oneplus) that depends on internet sales (not sales through carriers) it probably wasn't a good decision after all. With so much hype and scrutiny going around "sRGB mode as an option" probably should've been there to begin with, so technical people have less to complain about and pop out colors crowd had their treat as well.
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Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great. The colors look about the same as the default adaptive display mode of the Note 5 and Galaxy S7, but the white balance is actually better (my OP3 has less green tint than my S7 Edge). If the Galaxy S7 didn't have the basic mode display setting that no one actually enables, Anandtech would have given it just as bad of a review as they gave the OnePlus 3.
As for sharpness, it's a non-issue. You can't even tell it's lower resolution than the S7 Edge unless you bring the phone about 6 inches from you face, and even then, it's not easy to tell.
Brightness is good too. I compared it to my S7 Edge out in sunlight today and the S7 Edge was only slightly brighter. Both were easily readable though.
At this point, I am leaning towards going back to the S7 Edge and returning the OP3, but it's not an easy decision. I have changed my mind back and forth several times. If I didn't already own an S7 Edge and was deciding between paying $800 or $400, it would be an easy choice... the OnePlus 3. It is soo close to providing an experience just as good as the S7 Edge. There are only a few small areas in which it falls a little bit behind, but those small improvements aren't worth double the price.

gtg465x said:
Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great. The colors look about the same as the default adaptive display mode of the Note 5 and Galaxy S7, but the white balance is actually better (my OP3 has less green tint than my S7 Edge). If the Galaxy S7 didn't have the basic mode display setting that no one actually enables, Anandtech would have given it just as bad of a review as they gave the OnePlus 3.
As for sharpness, it's a non-issue. You can't even tell it's lower resolution than the S7 Edge unless you bring the phone about 6 inches from you face, and even then, it's not easy to tell.
Brightness is good too. I compared it to my S7 Edge out in sunlight today and the S7 Edge was only slightly brighter. Both were easily readable though.
At this point, I am leaning towards going back to the S7 Edge and returning the OP3, but it's not an easy decision. I have changed my mind back and forth several times. If I didn't already own an S7 Edge and was deciding between paying $800 or $400, it would be an easy choice... the OnePlus 3. It is soo close to providing an experience just as good as the S7 Edge. There are only a few small areas in which it falls a little bit behind, but those small improvements aren't worth double the price.
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can you discern individual pixels because of the pentile technology that is used? that's really crucial. I'm not really bothered by some inaccuracies that the display might have. I'm using my note 4 with adaptive display which for sure is not accurate but i do like it. I think those innacuracies can be fixed with an OTA display profile or some tweaking with custom kernel. But pixelation cannot be fixed. So there you have it. Could you discern individual pixels. Ty for your review

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Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great. The colors look about the same as the default adaptive display mode of the Note 5 and Galaxy S7, but the white balance is actually better (my OP3 has less green tint than my S7 Edge). If the Galaxy S7 didn't have the basic mode display setting that no one actually enables, Anandtech would have given it just as bad of a review as they gave the OnePlus 3.
As for sharpness, it's a non-issue. You can't even tell it's lower resolution than the S7 Edge unless you bring the phone about 6 inches from you face, and even then, it's not easy to tell.
Brightness is good too. I compared it to my S7 Edge out in sunlight today and the S7 Edge was only slightly brighter. Both were easily readable though.
At this point, I am leaning towards going back to the S7 Edge and returning the OP3, but it's not an easy decision. I have changed my mind back and forth several times. If I didn't already own an S7 Edge and was deciding between paying $800 or $400, it would be an easy choice... the OnePlus 3. It is soo close to providing an experience just as good as the S7 Edge. There are only a few small areas in which it falls a little bit behind, but those small improvements aren't worth double the price.
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Thank you for your input, it is much appreciated. I should be receiving my OP3 by the end of this week, can't wait!

gtg465x said:
Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great.
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Note: long post, a bit off topic, but mostly about the display.
I was very worried about this, especially as I already on OP2 and was wondering whether I should get the OP3. According to anandtech, OP3 is amazing in everything other than the screen calibration, just like the OP2. So thanks for the clarification. :highfive: It's annoying that they didn't cover some topics like audio/DAC quality and community development support. The amount of source code released is staggering, on par with a Nexus, even dash charge will work as they will release the binaries as stated on their GitHub. We got our first custom rom within an hour of the op3 announcement, which I believe is a new record. Many famous devs from other devices are moving to the OP3, like arter97, DespairFactor and sultanxda. And we already have grarak.
But I was also wondering(since I don't have a spectrophotometer) whether the default color profile on custom roms for the op2 and op3 are accurate or whether they are same as stock. I tried the threads, but couldn't find a satisfactory answer. I assume with kcal it could be fixed, but atleast for the OP2 I have found no color profiles that claim to have been a result of accurate calibration using a spectrophotometer. So I just boosted the saturation a tiny bit and it looks much better. You are right that the display looks good though, but users will never know the difference if they aren't exposed to accurate colors right? I wonder how anandtech knows that the display colors seem off just by looking at it.
And like the other user said, this is actually odd because oneplus sells through the internet, not retail, so they have no incentive to calibrate to appear "vivid", whatever that's supposed to mean. So I basically don't understand why oneplus would choose to calibrate their display like this.
About the resolution, atleast on my OP2 and a friend's Galaxy note 5(stock, friend isn't a power user) compared side to side(at different viewing distances), I could tell that the note 5 display was way better/sharper, atleast to me. And I actually went in expecting my op2 display to be better.
I don't know whether that was because of the colors or actual resolution or something else. I could also notice how freaking blue the op2 display was when we compared high res black and white pictures. To be fair, the black and white pic on the note 5 looked a bit yellow to me.
So to sum up, my questions are,
is the default color profile on custom roms for op2/op3 accurate unlike stock?
If not, is there an easy way to obtain an accurate display on these devices using kcal or something else?
Why do OEMs choose to calibrate displays inaccurately?
Is display accuracy a good thing or bad thing?
Regardless, I am most likely going to purchase an OP3(although I'm still skeptical about the display), since as you said, the numerous advantages dwarf the few minor flaws, and it costs half as much as many flagships. I'm currently in India, but will be going to the US in August to study undergrad computer science (maybe get into Android development as well!). So I'm probably going to have to wait to purchase the north american model instead of the global one for LTE reasons, will have to check. Kinda sucks. I wonder why oems have SO MANY different variants of the same phone(especially Samsung). One reason I can think of is they can't fit in all the LTE and other radios required to support all frequencies/bands without compromising on other parts of the phone.
I personally think a cool phone for some people would be one that has one large compromise, but is near perfect in everything else, like design, performance, and dev support. For example, a phone without cameras, but near perfect in everything else. Maybe if the op3 eliminated the camera and poured that money into the display and other minor flaws, it would have been even better! Just my opinion though.
Edit: hey I just realized, that's the strength of truly modular phones!!! You can choose your own compromises, like no large camera in favour of using that space for a larger battery, or some other combo! Ugh, that was so obvious..

knpk13 said:
Note: long post, a bit off topic, but mostly about the display.
Why do OEMs choose to calibrate displays inaccurately?
Is display accuracy a good thing or bad thing?
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Looks like Carl posted his thoughts on the latest Anandtech review (regarding the display):
"With our relationships in the supply chain, we know the BOM (bill of materials) of all other flagships. Out of all the devices that the OnePlus 3 gets compared to, it is one of, if not the most expensive to make. Do you think the price delta between a 2K AMOLED and a 1080p AMOLED is huge? It's a product decision, and spec by spec is not how to judge a product. The OnePlus 3 uses latest generation AMOLED made to our specifications by Samsung. The vast majority of our users, and reviewers love Optic AMOLED. It is NOT tuned to sRGB, and was never meant to be. sRGB tuning is a niche requirement and is not the right choice for the vast majority of smartphone users. Why do you think it's hidden under developer settings on the 6P? For those who need it, we've taken note, and have added it to the next OTA."
Source: https://forums.oneplus.net/threads/even-carl-tires-of-constant-nitpicking-display-options-forthcoming-on-next-ota.451786/

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Looks like Carl posted his thoughts on the latest Anandtech review (regarding the display):
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Interesting. Check out further debate in the comments.
http://www.anandtech.com/comments/10411/the-oneplus-3-review/504784
I'm no expert, but it seems like anandtech sticks to sRGB for a reason. I would not trust any party(oneplus, anandtech, anyone else) too much until I have more info. But you have to admit anandtech seem slightly more trustworthy since they give you "real" reasons and are a 3rd party reviewer unlike oneplus. Carl's reason was just that people like it and sRGB is not the standard(no reason provided). He didn't even respond to the usage of pentile amoled(last used in the Galaxy note 3 I believe). And im confused as to why he is citing expenses. That does not seem relevant (if we don't take into consideration that higher price means higher quality).
Usually your eyes just adapt to the display regardless of its color accuracy, since I don't think most people can't judge very well whether colors are accurate.(including me)
Thanks for the link though. Wonder when Android when implement some kind of color calibration standard. Or when some kind of metric for smartphone display quality/accuracy will be developed.
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Here's another link. Note the last paragraph which I've also pasted here in hide quotes.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7821/color-gamut-in-mobile-and-pcs
Seems pretty unbiased and there really doesn't seem to be any incentive for them to misconstrue their report.
http://gizmodo.com/which-smartphone-and-tablet-displays-show-the-most-accu-1660275228
Ultimately, such quibbles over color gamut and the resultant color accuracy of the display may not be able to override the dominant discourse of subjectively evaluated color in a display, and many people prefer the look of an oversaturated display to that of a properly calibrated one. But within the debates that will undoubtedly take place over such a subject, it is crucial to keep in mind that regardless of personal opinion on display colors, color accuracy is a quantitative, objective analysis of display quality. While subjectively, one may prefer a display that has a color gamut larger than sRGB, objectively, such a display isn't accurate. Of course, including a vivid display profile isn't a problem, but there should always be a display profile that makes for accurate color.
@TritonB7 if you're on the oneplus forums (I'm not), I think it would be interesting if you posted there and linked them here to see what their response is.
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I hope someone releases a guide on xda or elsewhere, how to calibrate displays accurately using kcal, or publishes a list of calibrated kcal profiles for different phones. Or maybe there already is a guide like that. I'll try searching.

Konskl said:
can you discern individual pixels because of the pentile technology that is used? that's really crucial. I'm not really bothered by some inaccuracies that the display might have. I'm using my note 4 with adaptive display which for sure is not accurate but i do like it. I think those innacuracies can be fixed with an OTA display profile or some tweaking with custom kernel. But pixelation cannot be fixed. So there you have it. Could you discern individual pixels. Ty for your review
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No, definitely not. If I put the phone about 6 inches from my eyes, I can see some very minor jagged edges on curved lines, but definitely not individual pixels. And at 1 foot plus and normal viewing distances it's very hard to tell that the screen is lower resolution than my S7 Edge.

Konskl said:
can you discern individual pixels because of the pentile technology that is used? that's really crucial. I'm not really bothered by some inaccuracies that the display might have. I'm using my note 4 with adaptive display which for sure is not accurate but i do like it. I think those innacuracies can be fixed with an OTA display profile or some tweaking with custom kernel. But pixelation cannot be fixed. So there you have it. Could you discern individual pixels. Ty for your review
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Two more things fixed. http://www.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3-reviewer-ota-brings-srgb-mode-and-ram-adjustments/

I just got my phone yesterday and very impressed with it having come from the Moto X Pure. I do see the display shift to blue hue when viewing the display at an angle, but I rarely ever do that and it's not enough to bother me. Also, I thought I'd link to this review regarding ota 3.1.4 ( you will need to use google translate).
http://www.frandroid.com/marques/oneplus/365110_oneplus-3-oxygenos-3-1-4-mise-a-jour-change

For me, the "Optic AMOLED" is most problematic when it comes to having lots of text on the screen and reading text. Granted, that's an extremely important feature, but I just mean that as far as the experience of playing games, consuming media, looking at and taking pictures, and so on, the average user will probably be happier with an oversaturated display (re: more Samsung-like) than they would be with more faithful color reproduction. It seems like to the layman, oversaturation = better quality display, at least to a degree.

Hey everyone, just wanted to check back in and thank everyone for their thoughts on this matter. I also wanted let you all know that Anandtech just posted an update to their original review regarding the OnePlus3 display, stating:
To say that OnePlus's new sRGB mode provides a substantial improvement in display accuracy would be an understatement. The display has gone from being the most inaccurate display that I've seen in years, to being among the most accurate displays that we have on record.
Source: http://www.anandtech.com/show/10445/revisiting-the-oneplus-3/2

gtg465x said:
No, definitely not. If I put the phone about 6 inches from my eyes, I can see some very minor jagged edges on curved lines, but definitely not individual pixels. And at 1 foot plus and normal viewing distances it's very hard to tell that the screen is lower resolution than my S7 Edge.
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Mmmmh, its not a truly bad panel but view it in horizontal position and the lack of resolution which drops to around 320 PPI is just too apparent. My guess is the panel is a few generations old. Its the most obvious part where costs have been saved and I do wonder about Op' wisdom on this. Other than that its a good phone IMHO.

Triton, that's really great to hear!
Now if just my replacement device (had irregular color hue on screen...) would be here... then I could enjoy this great phone even more!

drummerman said:
Mmmmh, its not a truly bad panel but view it in horizontal position and the lack of resolution which drops to around 320 PPI is just too apparent. My guess is the panel is a few generations old. Its the most obvious part where costs have been saved and I do wonder about Op' wisdom on this. Other than that its a good phone IMHO.
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If it was a few generations old, it would not be accurate or efficient

I can't wait for the update. These updates will bring positivity to OnePlus 3. I'm waiting for update before root.
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gtg465x said:
Yep. The panel definitely isn't bad quality. Anandtech gave it a poor review based on the calibration, not the quality of the actual panel itself. I can appreciate accurate displays and typically prefer them, but I can tell you this, most people will think the OnePlus 3 display looks great. The colors look about the same as the default adaptive display mode of the Note 5 and Galaxy S7, but the white balance is actually better (my OP3 has less green tint than my S7 Edge). If the Galaxy S7 didn't have the basic mode display setting that no one actually enables, Anandtech would have given it just as bad of a review as they gave the OnePlus 3.
As for sharpness, it's a non-issue. You can't even tell it's lower resolution than the S7 Edge unless you bring the phone about 6 inches from you face, and even then, it's not easy to tell.
Brightness is good too. I compared it to my S7 Edge out in sunlight today and the S7 Edge was only slightly brighter. Both were easily readable though.
At this point, I am leaning towards going back to the S7 Edge and returning the OP3, but it's not an easy decision. I have changed my mind back and forth several times. If I didn't already own an S7 Edge and was deciding between paying $800 or $400, it would be an easy choice... the OnePlus 3. It is soo close to providing an experience just as good as the S7 Edge. There are only a few small areas in which it falls a little bit behind, but those small improvements aren't worth double the price.
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Are you serious? The S7 display is WAY better in every aspect.

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Are you serious? The S7 display is WAY better in every aspect.
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I'm serious. I have both phones right here. And I did say that the S7 Edge display is a little brighter and a little sharper, but I don't see how that makes it WAY better, especially now that OnePlus has provided an update that calibrates it to be just as accurate as the S7 display in sRGB mode.
Many aspects are the same. Both are covered in Gorilla Glass 4. They have equal viewing angles. They are both AMOLED and made by Samsung. They both have similarly accurate colors in sRGB mode.

Considering trading my note 8 for an S8 plus

I loved my note 7 (nice rounded edges samsung oem screen protector etc) This phone just feels ...well HUGE... in pocket as well as in hand... I am realizing im not using the spen at all really (other than to send sparkly messages to my wife) since i got my ipad pro and pencil for sketching. For some reason this thing feels immense in my front pocket and heavy.I read at night and holding this phone can be cumbersome at best.. I love the screen and playing games on it but for pretty much everything else its not what i expected. I went to best buy and held both phones at the same time and the s8+ feels so much better in hand with only a .1 in screen difference (i cannot even notice) Am i crazy for exchanging it for a S8+?
ps i like the dual camera live focus thing but for me personally its not that important. 99% of my phone pics are point and shoot and share to a friend or social media..

Really, this is a decision up to you. No one here can tell you what phone you want. But in my opinion, if you don't care for the S-Pen, the better screen, and the dual cameras, then you would be both happier and better off financially if you get the S8+ instead. The S8+ is practically the same phone if you remove those features from the Note 8. The processor is the same and Samsung will support both phones with updates for the same length of time.

Yes, we all have a different preference Good luck finding what you want!
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I'm posting from my S8 plus right now as my n8 is on the charger hands down I love my Note 8 so much more but then again I like bigger phones the S8 plus just seems so tiny compared

There's not much difference besides the ergonomics. The s8 plus feels good in the hand and less blocky. I wouldn't do it.
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furfmonkey said:
I loved my note 7 (nice rounded edges samsung oem screen protector etc) This phone just feels ...well HUGE... in pocket as well as in hand... I am realizing im not using the spen at all really (other than to send sparkly messages to my wife) since i got my ipad pro and pencil for sketching. For some reason this thing feels immense in my front pocket and heavy.I read at night and holding this phone can be cumbersome at best.. I love the screen and playing games on it but for pretty much everything else its not what i expected. I went to best buy and held both phones at the same time and the s8+ feels so much better in hand with only a .1 in screen difference (i cannot even notice) Am i crazy for exchanging it for a S8+?
ps i like the dual camera live focus thing but for me personally its not that important. 99% of my phone pics are point and shoot and share to a friend or social media..
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Nothing worse than buyers remorse. So sorry to learn you are not enjoying your Note 8. Odd having enjoyed the Note 7? The Note 8 improves on all the Note 7 had, then some.
I do hope you enjoy the S8+ it's a superb phone, I moved sideways from it to buy the Note 8 as I want and use the S-pen. Had I not wanted the S-pen I would have still sold the S8+ and bought the LG V30 as next on my list of prioritise is music and the LG excels in that arena.
Let us know how you get on. :good:
Ryland

fatboypup said:
I'm posting from my S8 plus right now as my n8 is on the charger hands down I love my Note 8 so much more but then again I like bigger phones the S8 plus just seems so tiny compared
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I got a Note8 to replace a S8+. The Note8's for want of a better word beefier. I like the corners of the display squared; there's more usable space. And it has S Pen which I've missed since the Note7 debacle. My S8+ was a UK Exynos and my Note8 is a S-835 unlocked U.S. phone because of the $425 Note7 discount. They perform the same and even battery life is the same even though the Note8's battery is smaller. Side by side I like the colors and brightness of the Note8's display better. And my S8+ was one of the few without display issues.
To each their own.

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I got a Note8 to replace a S8+. The Note8's for want of a better word beefier. I like the corners of the display squared; there's more usable space. And it has S Pen which I've missed since the Note7 debacle. My S8+ was a UK Exynos and my Note8 is a S-835 unlocked U.S. phone because of the $425 Note7 discount. They perform the same and even battery life is the same even though the Note8's battery is smaller. Side by side I like the colors and brightness of the Note8's display better. And my S8+ was one of the few without display issues.
To each their own.
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Yeah my S8 plus was nothing but something to tide me over until the Note 8
It's pretty much become my Kodi box

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Yeah my S8 plus was nothing but something to tide me over until the Note 8
It's pretty much become my Kodi box
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Same here. :highfive:
Ryland

If this is what you want, don't let anybody persuade you otherwise, just don't let the door hit you on the way out. I couldn't wait to give my S8 to my wife and get N8, but I use s-pen all the time and I'm surprised you going for S8+, instead of S8, since as you said the difference is small, but whatever makes you happy, it makes you happy.

pete4k said:
If this is what you want, don't let anybody persuade you otherwise, just don't let the door hit you on the way out. I couldn't wait to give my S8 to my wife and get N8, but I use s-pen all the time and I'm surprised you going for S8+, instead of S8, since as you said the difference is small, but whatever makes you happy, it makes you happy.
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i actually considered the s8 over the s8 plus but it seems much more narrow or improperly proportioned compared to the s8 plus if that makes sense.. my main grip is the in hand and in pocket feeling the squared off note 8 feels compared to the much more rounded s8 plus it feels much more ergonomic in my hands.. i barely used the spen in my note 4 and simply got it because at the time it was the largest screen offered in a sammy device.. i guess at some point bigger isnt always better..

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Yeah my S8 plus was nothing but something to tide me over until the Note 8
It's pretty much become my Kodi box
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Me also but i was annoyed they didnt move the fingerprint reader which put me off it some now the whole issue with the OEM unlock option missing on some exynos devices.
Not looking like I will bother with it but I did play around with a note 8 and had my s8+ with me and like the way the note felt in hand better.
sent from my Note FE, S8 plus, or S6

pete4k said:
If this is what you want, don't let anybody persuade you otherwise, just don't let the door hit you on the way out. I couldn't wait to give my S8 to my wife and get N8, but I use s-pen all the time and I'm surprised you going for S8+, instead of S8, since as you said the difference is small, but whatever makes you happy, it makes you happy.
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I got my s8 plus today and i couldn't be happier it's lighter feels so much better in front pocket and just fits me perfectly. I'm so happy i switched

furfmonkey said:
I got my s8 plus today and i couldn't be happier it's lighter feels so much better in front pocket and just fits me perfectly. I'm so happy i switched
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I've got both (well wife has the S8 plus). I really can't tell a difference in size and I have small hands...
As long as you are happy.

Yep, aside from the Note being a bit (approx 0.7cm) longer than the note, it is just as wide. The note 8 has more square corners too but overall the width is identical...
I also have both.

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I got my s8 plus today and i couldn't be happier it's lighter feels so much better in front pocket and just fits me perfectly. I'm so happy i switched
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THAT is what counts. What you like and enjoy. :good:
Well done. Ryland.

I would of stayed with note 8 more ram and way better standby time than s8+

I came from my s8+ which I absolutely loved but I switched carriers and figured I'd try a different phone, first week I wanted to March back to store room exchange for s8+ as the note 8 is heavier and tad thicker and screen is more blocky, and now a week later I have to admit I do love the note, the spen is really useful for me at work as I need clients to sign my phone when making transactions, battery life isn't as beast as the s8+ as expected, but isn't much behind either, both phones are all day battery, so no complaints there but I feel note 8 has more screen real estate simply from the corners being less rounded, I'm a happy camper

I ended up going back to the note 8 !! Even with a case on the s8 plus i was getting false registers on the sides and corners with my big meaty hands... Is will be here Monday. Also in gaming grip or watching movies there note is far superior.. i feel dumb returning it but hey, it was a learning experience and at least i ended up with the better phone in the end

Yeah, for sure if you're not regularly using your S-Pen and you're not gonna miss the dual cameras or the extra bit of RAM the S8 Plus is a reasonably solid alternative. Like others have said here, the Note series is no longer the only device with a large OLED screen. Hell, now you'll have the LG V30 to choose from if you're switching away from the Note 8 as that's also OLED (and flat).
The feel between these two phones, aesthetically with the body's frame, for sure, feel different. I still have my S8 Plus to kick around and I can feel how well it rest much easier in the hand than my Note 8. I'm just partial to the more squared off corners of the Note 8's screen. Something about that more sharper edge in the corners also makes it feel like a thinner phone than the S8 Plus. I know, that sounds weird but that's what I feel when I'm holding both of them. The screen, IMO, needs to be as sharp in the corners as possible because I find that to be more sleek and mature in design.
At least we have some brilliant choices to pick from today. We're pretty spoiled in the modern phone market.
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I ended up going back to the note 8 !! Even with a case on the s8 plus i was getting false registers on the sides and corners with my big meaty hands... Is will be here Monday. Also in gaming grip or watching movies there note is far superior.. i feel dumb returning it but hey, it was a learning experience and at least i ended up with the better phone in the end
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LOL! I was watching something on TV while I was typing my previous reply so I took a while to finish what I was typing and I didn't see this until I finally hit "submit". You're back on the N8, that's cool. Like you said, you learned what you really wanted so that's good. Enjoy your new phone when it arrives!

Redmi K20 (Mi 9T) VS Samsung A70

https://youtu.be/aJ7H2SN2VsA
If you watched the video you can clearly see that both phones have same brightness level yet the A70 screen looks much brighter and better than K20's screen which is dim and has ugly red tint. Samsung used a a very high quality amoled panel in the A70, the best I have seen in this price range. A70 also has bigger screen, bigger battery, and performance is great. It's downside is the ugly outdated back design and build materials. K20 has notchless display but look how thick the phone is. A70 is much thinner and sleek. I think the A70 is the winner.
I might be biased since I own the A70 :laugh: Still the superiority of A70's AMOLED screen is undeniable and it's the main reason why I choose Samsung phones over other brands.
Bottom line: Not all AMOLED screens are created equal! Chinese phones use cheaper lower quality amoleds.
What do you think? :fingers-crossed:

I think the back of the a70 is really nice and does every thing I want it too just a shame the back srat he's so easy

the mi 9t is 300€ in france or 350€ depends on deals.

Sufyan3D said:
https://youtu.be/aJ7H2SN2VsA
If you watched the video you can clearly see that both phones have same brightness level yet the A70 screen looks much brighter and better than K20's screen which is dim and has ugly red tint. Samsung used a a very high quality amoled panel in the A70, the best I have seen in this price range. A70 also has bigger screen, bigger battery, and performance is great. It's downside is the ugly outdated back design and build materials. K20 has notchless display but look how thick the phone is. A70 is much thinner and sleek. I think the A70 is the winner.
I might be biased since I own the A70 :laugh: Still the superiority of A70's AMOLED screen is undeniable and it's the main reason why I choose Samsung phones over other brands.
Bottom line: Not all AMOLED screens are created equal! Chinese phones use cheaper lower quality amoleds.
What do you think? :fingers-crossed:
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you are probably right. just like lcd screens, big difference between LG and XIAOMI ones.
but at least k20 has gorilla glass 5. a70 has version 3.
it always gonna be a trade off...

thalesbraga said:
you are probably right. just like lcd screens, big difference between LG and XIAOMI ones.
but at least k20 has gorilla glass 5. a70 has nothing.
it always gonna be a trade off...
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A70 has gorilla glass 3

Yes you r right my source site was wrong.
Good to know
Also loving this battery life... way better than s10+

So a70 or mi 9t
I still prefer Samsung a70 over mi 9t
Special regards the display

I have no problem with the back of the phone i'm using a case anyway or after a month i will find tiny scratches everywhere even if the back is metal

Im currently debating between mi 9t or a70.
Which phone has better camera and video quality.
Can someone give me a hand?

Xiaomi mi 9T is the better device to me and yes I have both.

K20 has its disadvantages....
No expandable storage capacity..
Screen size...
Battery life...
These 3 are the ones which made me go for a70 rather than any other phone...

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K20 has its disadvantages....
No expandable storage capacity..
Screen size...
Battery life...
These 3 are the ones which made me go for a70 rather than any other phone...
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128GB is enough for my needs
Both displays are fine
Both Phones have great battery life.
I'm currently intersted which phone has better camera/video quality.

senseijtitus said:
K20 has its disadvantages....
No expandable storage capacity..
Screen size...
Battery life...
These 3 are the ones which made me go for a70 rather than any other phone...
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These are not Disadvantages
64gb or 128gb expandable storage is a personal preference.
Screen size is a personal preference screen on the a70 could be to big for some.
Battery is great on both back to screen smaller less battery consumption.
Disadvantage a70 sd675, glastic back that scratches easily, oh and one low speaker I have to crack it to the max most of the time.

dante_99 said:
128GB is enough for my needs
Both displays are fine
Both Phones have great battery life.
I'm currently intersted which phone has better camera/video quality.
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Camera as of now, go with redmi. But gcam support for a70 is very much possible with dev's almost done with source codes...
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These are not Disadvantages
64gb or 128gb expandable storage is a personal preference.
Screen size is a personal preference screen on the a70 could be to big for some.
Battery is great on both back to screen smaller less battery consumption.
Disadvantage a70 sd675, glastic back that scratches easily, oh and one low speaker I have to crack it to the max most of the time.
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Well, plastic back is actually preferable with larger phones because of the risk of accidental drop. And to be honest, a70 performs pretty good as well. And it is perfectly slim and anyone can hold this phone in his/her hand without problem. One hand usage is pretty awesome.
The speaker volume is good enough. But plug in a good mid tire headset, its amazingly good...

Upgrade from Google Pixel 2 XL

Did anyone here, upgraded from Google Pixel 2 XL to OnePlus 7 Pro ?

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Did anyone here, upgraded from Google Pixel 2 XL to OnePlus 7 Pro ?
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I did I went from pixel 2xl, to pixel 3axl, then op7. My pixel 2 was better than the 3a I thought. But I'm loving this op7. So far my favorite and I'm on Verizon

How could you compare the 2 XL with OP 7 ( Pro ) ?
What about the battery life ?
It seem to be not as good as the 2 XL one ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrJWJmi471A&list=LLGe0jgf2B2s3boK7SX7Zy4g&index=2&t=0s
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I upgraded from pixel 2.

almightysiman said:
I upgraded from pixel 2.
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And what do you think ?
Was it worth the upgrade ?
No notification led, damn

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And what do you think ?
Was it worth the upgrade ?
No notification led, damn
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Totally worth it,speed is faster and screen is larger and better,I love it.you should try it,bro

I upgraded from a 2XL. It was well worth the money. The display is miles ahead, I consistently try 5+ hrs of SOT after owning since a week after launch. Software experience has been A+. Only real gripe I've had with this phone is the size is kinda unwieldy. I've gotten over it though. Don't use camera much, so that is not something I can really comment on. Speakers are also better than my 2xl as far as quality goes IMO. No regrets here.

This is a great hardware and software upgrade! 7+Pro is my best DD for 2019! Cheers

Upgraded from 2XL.
The screen is miles ahead. Honestly, it's night and day. I didn't realise how terrible and "grainy" the pixel's screen was until I got this phone. The 1440p definitely makes a difference to clarity at this screen size, and the contrast, colours, black crush, viewing angle etc. Are just miles better.
The 90Hz is nice. It just makes everything feel a bit smoother. I could still go back to 60Hz quite easily, but in comparison it feels juddery.
The build quality of the OP7 Pro is really nice. The pixel had curved edges, but not really in a way that affected the actual screen space. The curve on the Pro is more dramatic, and that has meant occasional accidental touches for me when lying in bed and using it one handed without a case.
Speaking of one handed, don't expect much of that with this device out of the box. Surprisingly, the overall footprint is very similar to the pixel 2 XL, but the screen is obviously much larger. In particular, the length of the screen is an issue. With my Pixel, I could use the rear sensor to pull down the notification shade, or shimmy my hand a little bit to reach items higher up the screen. That's not an option here, so I've been using reachability cursor instead, which works pretty well, but it's a still a downside to the phone.
In terms of weight and feel in the hand, I actually prefer the OnePlus, though. I like the little bit of extra weight, and it's balanced really nicely in the hand. The curved back makes it really comfortable to hand in portrait, though the weight and size can make it more uncomfortable in landscape.
Onto the camera. One of my main reasons for buying the pixel, but I realised I didn't even take that many. The 7Pro is worse, no two ways about it. But is bad enough to be annoying? Not for me. After the most recent updates, camera consistency is improved, although it's not quite there in all scenarios. The 7Pro oversaturates images more, which I find annoying, but that can always be fixed with Gcam or editing. The difference really isn't enough to be a turn off for the average user, and the wide and zoom lenses are a nice addition for composition, even if they're softer than the main sensor.

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Speaking of one handed, don't expect much of that with this device out of the box. Surprisingly, the overall footprint is very similar to the pixel 2 XL, but the screen is obviously much larger. In particular, the length of the screen is an issue. With my Pixel, I could use the rear sensor to pull down the notification shade, or shimmy my hand a little bit to reach items higher up the screen. That's not an option here, so I've been using reachability cursor instead, which works pretty well, but it's a still a downside to the phone.
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You can swipe down anywhere on the screen to open your notification shade... Which is a way better feature by anybody's measure!

You can swipe down anywhere on the screen to open your notification shade... Which is a way better feature by anybody's measure!
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I actually disagree...you can do that, but you can only do it from the home screen, which makes it less useful to me

Question How would you all rate the ergonomics of this phone?

Pretty straightforward from the title. I've been using an XZ2 compact. I got my dad a pixel 4a recently and when I finished setting up, finally getting to hold my XZ2c, I realized that the pixel 4a was incredibly worse to hold. Not even a screen size thing. So how does it feel to hold and operate the zenfone 8? Any comparisons to the pixel 4a or XZ2c?

Not sure this is relevant for you but I'm coming from Samsung S9+ and its (zf8) way better. I used to get pains in my wrist and arm after holding the S9+ one handed, with the ZF8 id does not happen. I am also able to use it one handed using my left hand - also really great.
Compared to my wife Samsung s10e - I also feel it "holding" slightly better (even tough its ~20 Grams heavier) du to it being thicker I think

hirshr said:
Not sure this is relevant for you but I'm coming from Samsung S9+ and its (zf8) way better. I used to get pains in my wrist and arm after holding the S9+ one handed, with the ZF8 id does not happen. I am also able to use it one handed using my left hand - also really great.
Compared to my wife Samsung s10e - I also feel it "holding" slightly better (even tough its ~20 Grams heavier) du to it being thicker I think
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Not the most relevant, but it's still valuable information. Thanks

Sony has that trend where it makes screens less wider for you to be able to hold better.
Zenfone's screen is a bit like middleground between a Sony device and a regular Samsung or Iphone, probably a pixel 4a too. It is very comfortable to hold and reach most of the screen with one hand. My previous phone, the Oppo Find 7 (basically Oneplus One), had a 5.5 inch screen and it is wider, even more so if we compare with bezels.
For its lower screen size, it is also slightly thicker than a Samsung/Iphone. It feels very compact for having a snapdragon 888 with 5g support packed inside.
Glass back is very slippery, I dont like it naked for that reason. The included case does not make it oversized at all and has perfect grip.

mestermagyar said:
Sony has that trend where it makes screens less wider for you to be able to hold better.
Zenfone's screen is a bit like middleground between a Sony device and a regular Samsung or Iphone, probably a pixel 4a too. It is very comfortable to hold and reach most of the screen with one hand. My previous phone, the Oppo Find 7 (basically Oneplus One), had a 5.5 inch screen and it is wider, even more so if we compare with bezels.
For its lower screen size, it is also slightly thicker than a Samsung/Iphone. It feels very compact for having a snapdragon 888 with 5g support packed inside.
Glass back is very slippery, I dont like it naked for that reason. The included case does not make it oversized at all and has perfect grip.
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Sony devices are also less rounded that probably make for a better grip, Zenfone 8 not so much