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Background:
I am a recent graduate with a BS in electrical engineering. During college I worked for 3 different companies doing work related to my major through the COOP program. I put in more than 6 months of full time work at each.
Company A:
I have been working at Company A for 3 months in 5 days; also, in 5 days my probationary period will expire. Company A is a German born company. A large majority of my coworkers are German and since all of the equipment was made in Germany all of the code and designs are in German. And I do not speak any German. The job currently is mostly maintenance with some development, and much more development planned in the future. The company is global with approximately 5,500 employees. They are a market leader in the automotive field and are expanding. Also, I am a salaried employee.
Company B:
Recently I was contacted by Company B and offered a job. I had multiple interviews with them during the job hunt process that landed me the job with Company A. Company B is a much smaller development firm. They have been in business for 60 years.
Comparison:
The equipment and devices used in the offered job are more the standard in the United States. So if Company A was to let me go 20 years down the road it might be harder for me to find a job in the USA. The job offered, is a hourly based job and 10 minutes from home(vs 30). The jobs have comparable pay and benefits, assuming I work 3 hours of OT each week at Company B. I was told it is normal to work 5 hours OT each week. Company B seems like there is more room for growth. The work at Company B will most likely be more demanding and rewarding than that at Company A. I have no personal issues with Company A and would feel bad about leaving them and the friends I have made.
The Dilemma:
Stay with a secure large company using foreign technologies that pays slightly more or move to a company that offer more room for growth and possibly be better for my career.
Any input would be greatly appreciated!
my advice , take a german course(take your time , self development always pays) , get a nice position in the said upcoming dev projects , and they wont let go of you even if theres a workforce dismantling in the US outsource , and u need to take that in account in these hard times
and about the 30 min vs 10 min , reward yourself with a nice car system , and turn that dullride to a joyride
while you're younger you should take more risk. In my opinion, i'd go for the company where there's more chance for growth and is more demanding, giving you valuable experience you will likely use the rest of your career. Personaly, i would take a pay cut to work in an environment where i was truly needed and appreciated with daily challenges and long term goals.
I would work at Company B
Any advancement in your life is what you should strive for. As humans we always look for a challenge and the next best thing for us, and as you already know a challenge and a push to try harder is just fundamental (That's why you're on xda haha) Plus if you really think about it company B sounds more stable anyways, and the 10 minute car drive opposed to the 30 minute one would probably be paying you back for the slightly lowered pay from company B...you'll save on gas haha
My overall summary: Shoot for improvement and self-adaptation, you should still take that German course though, it'll be helpful to boast about haha Go for company B
Is company B offering 40% increase over your salary? Otherwise, the stress and the drawbacks of changing companies won't be worth it. Besides, you'd need an excuse to change companies, but you can easily stay without compromising your status quo.
You can say that you are leaving for a better offer, but it seems like they are paying you even less.
So, unless there's something wrong with Company A (toxic environment, abusive boss/coworkers, etc.) other than a different language, I'd suggest you stick with Company A for the time being
Yours Sincerely
-An accountant that changed too many jobs-
I like what I've been reading in the responses you've gotten up-thread of this one from me, but I'd like to offer a different perspective on this situation. In part, I will be echoing souljaboy's comments.
In any professional environment, you need to do deep research on every company you either are working for or which is a potential suitor. To fail to do this is both foolish and dangerous. What I mean about "deep research" incorporates a number of things. First, you need to see how their stock (whether publicly or privately held) is doing, and what its performance has been over its history. Remember, context isn't "everything", it is the "only thing".
Second, you need to look into what their customers in total have been saying about them, along with vendors and anyone else you can find out about (Google is thy friend, but so are contacts and social networks). When a company -- especially an American company -- makes any claim to stability, it's not so much that you should be skeptical, but you need to remember we in America are short-sighted, and so a "long term" plan means maybe a year or two (at best, if you're lucky).
The fact that Company B has a 60 year track record is nothing to sneeze at, so that's a good start, but you need to know more.
Third, you need to learn something of the inside politics of the company. How long have the BoD been there? Who are they? What do people (stockholders, others in the industry, etc.) say about them? Remember that companies are just like fish: the rot starts at the head. A company can "look" alright but may have decaying leadership and other issues which seriously jeopardize its future viability. Don't be too easily deceived.
Ok, apart from fully investigating Company B, let's take a look at Company A.
It's a German company, which means that it's based in a member country of the European Union, and it also means its future is tied to such things as the value of the Euro, the EU member bail-outs (think Greece, for instance) and then step back and realize that all of these basically "political" factors may have long-term effects. Also remember that the EU, the U.N., and others are discussing changing the global currency backing from the U.S. Dollar to something else, and this is liable to have a sharply negative impact on U.S. <> German economic interactions.
Because Company A is a member of the automotive industry, you need to look long and hard at what's going on in other, seemingly-unrelated areas like oil, wind/solar/battery, etc. Even a stable company that's made no mistakes on its own can crumble if the rug is pulled out from underneath it harshly enough.
Also, you need to ask yourself a question: What are the fundamental reasons (this list should not exceed two or three items) that company set up U.S. operations to begin with? Then, ask yourself: if the U.S. economy (or the German economy) went to hell, or if things like tax rates for foreign companies, or import duties, were to go up significantly, at what point would your U.S. operation no longer remain viable? Then, lastly, ask yourself where things are presently in relation to that upper cut-off.
While it obviously pays to not be tin-foil hat conspiracy-theorist on this, it also pays to remember the Titanic and Britannic were "unsinkable" too.
Good luck to you, whatever you may decide.
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I like what I've been reading in the responses you've gotten up-thread of this one from me, but I'd like to offer a different perspective on this situation. In part, I will be echoing souljaboy's comments.
In any professional environment, you need to do deep research on every company you either are working for or which is a potential suitor. To fail to do this is both foolish and dangerous. What I mean about "deep research" incorporates a number of things. First, you need to see how their stock (whether publicly or privately held) is doing, and what its performance has been over its history. Remember, context isn't "everything", it is the "only thing".
Second, you need to look into what their customers in total have been saying about them, along with vendors and anyone else you can find out about (Google is thy friend, but so are contacts and social networks). When a company -- especially an American company -- makes any claim to stability, it's not so much that you should be skeptical, but you need to remember we in America are short-sighted, and so a "long term" plan means maybe a year or two (at best, if you're lucky).
The fact that Company B has a 60 year track record is nothing to sneeze at, so that's a good start, but you need to know more.
Third, you need to learn something of the inside politics of the company. How long have the BoD been there? Who are they? What do people (stockholders, others in the industry, etc.) say about them? Remember that companies are just like fish: the rot starts at the head. A company can "look" alright but may have decaying leadership and other issues which seriously jeopardize its future viability. Don't be too easily deceived.
Ok, apart from fully investigating Company B, let's take a look at Company A.
It's a German company, which means that it's based in a member country of the European Union, and it also means its future is tied to such things as the value of the Euro, the EU member bail-outs (think Greece, for instance) and then step back and realize that all of these basically "political" factors may have long-term effects. Also remember that the EU, the U.N., and others are discussing changing the global currency backing from the U.S. Dollar to something else, and this is liable to have a sharply negative impact on U.S. <> German economic interactions.
Because Company A is a member of the automotive industry, you need to look long and hard at what's going on in other, seemingly-unrelated areas like oil, wind/solar/battery, etc. Even a stable company that's made no mistakes on its own can crumble if the rug is pulled out from underneath it harshly enough.
Also, you need to ask yourself a question: What are the fundamental reasons (this list should not exceed two or three items) that company set up U.S. operations to begin with? Then, ask yourself: if the U.S. economy (or the German economy) went to hell, or if things like tax rates for foreign companies, or import duties, were to go up significantly, at what point would your U.S. operation no longer remain viable? Then, lastly, ask yourself where things are presently in relation to that upper cut-off.
While it obviously pays to not be tin-foil hat conspiracy-theorist on this, it also pays to remember the Titanic and Britannic were "unsinkable" too.
Good luck to you, whatever you may decide.
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+1
I am, of course, speaking as an accountant that can market his skills across a vast range of industries. Engineers will have a different take on things as well.
I wanted to thank everyone for their input!
I decided to go with Company B. I gave Company A my 2 weeks notice on Monday. After that Company A came back with an offer for a rather large salary increase along with an increase in my annual bonus. Not to mention they pointed out some benefits I did not know existed. Like full reimbursement on any higher education as long as the grade in the course is a B or higher and pertained to my job.
With that in mind it makes really hard to leave the benefits, stability, and salary of Company A. So I am calling back Company B to let them know I plan to stay with Company A after all...
Thanks again.
Blauvster said:
I wanted to thank everyone for their input!
I decided to go with Company B. I gave Company A my 2 weeks notice on Monday. After that Company A came back with an offer for a rather large salary increase along with an increase in my annual bonus. Not to mention they pointed out some benefits I did not know existed. Like full reimbursement on any higher education as long as the grade in the course is a B or higher and pertained to my job.
With that in mind it makes really hard to leave the benefits, stability, and salary of Company A. So I am calling back Company B to let them know I plan to stay with Company A after all...
Thanks again.
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Definitely sounds like good news
Am I the only one here thinking that it was part of google's plan to make it look like they sold a bunch of N4s in order to get the media's attention by bragging about how many they sold? Just Google: "nexus 4 sold out". You will find many websites reporting that nexus 4 are selling like hot cakes/or are sold out. I'm going to have to look at the next news paper, I bet we will see it in the headlines. This is wonderful news for Google. Great advertisement.
More over I would like to know what you guys think of this. Don't you think that such a rich company like Google would have for seen this?
Also the fact that the number of sold devices are not being reported, wouldn't that indicate that the amount of devices are actually not that much after all? (mentioning the # of sold units would discredit their bragging right? - Of course, only if it is not high)
Chances are they have a lot on stock but want to sell only a certain amount for the time being.
Now what would concern me is, if it actually is the truth that they ran out of supply. I mean, LG? There are few people who have faith in LG, their android update policy is enough to associate that company with incompetence.
Even with the nexus phone being an LG, they already managed to leave a bad impression in countries with no play store by announcing a price which could be nearly up to double the price of the nexus 4 in the play store.
What if LG is not able to keep up with demand? What is your say? What do you think is going on?
I visited a site that mentioned that Google has done this before, in order to see how high the demand is and to fulfill the needs a few days/weeks/month later. Was not following the galaxy nexus sale , anyone that experienced this here?
Hope this thread doesn't get closed, I could imagine some interesting discussion going on
no, just scumbags trying to make a profit by hogging all the stock
AznDud333 said:
no, just scumbags trying to make a profit by hogging all the stock
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I think it its engineered, why not Apple do it all the time
Naw, I mean, there really weren't any commercials over it or anything. Google has the money to spend on advertising for it, but they honestly didn't. I feel they just weren't too sure on when to do it themselves and that we were probably making more out of it than needed to be.
dahmmy said:
I think it its engineered, why not Apple do it all the time
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google's site never lags
it lagged today.
It's a big global conspiracy to ruin your day. Mission accomplished.
If this was Apple then, yes, I would believe it was intentional but honestly the server was crashing. What I saw you can't fake. It was like a DDoS attack. That server was basically brought to its knees. SERIOUSLY.
Sent from my Nexus 7
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It's a big global conspiracy to ruin your day. Mission accomplished.
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The Illuminati. Yes! They are watching us!
@above: hmmm. I prefer Lg is incompetent
I think it may be a combination of Google's lack of concern about their customers combined with a poor working relationship with LG. I don't think Google wants publicity about this launch because they and LG won't come off looking too good. Google must have thought it was getting more units from LG because they had indicated they would sell the Nexus 4 via Playstore in the Netherlands and Belgium. Then at the last minute, they had to cancel those commitments because they didn't get enough units from LG. At the same time, non-US carriers selling the phone at a much higher price than Google got units ahead of launch time so their customers could physically have the phone today. Hence, you have a number of users posting threads here about problems with their brand new Nexus 4 phones, which they have in hand. So, LG shorted Google to send phones to vendors that sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price. I suspect the whole sales cycle of this phone may be marked by problems between Google and LG, resulting in supply shortages for the lower priced Google-sold phones. If consumers want the phone and don't want to wait for weeks at a time between LG's periodic shipment of a meager supply to Google, you may be forced to buy from other vendors at a higher price or, in the US, a contract commitment to T-Mobile. It looks like Google + LG= oil + water; they don't mix well.
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I think it may be a combination of Google's lack of concern about their customers combined with a poor working relationship with LG. I don't think Google wants publicity about this launch because they and LG won't come off looking too good. Google must have thought it was getting more units from LG because they had indicated they would sell the Nexus 4 via Playstore in the Netherlands and Belgium. Then at the last minute, they had to cancel those commitments because they didn't get enough units from LG. At the same time, non-US carriers selling the phone at a much higher price than Google got units ahead of launch time so their customers could physically have the phone today. Hence, you have a number of users posting threads here about problems with their brand new Nexus 4 phones, which they have in hand. So, LG shorted Google to send phones to vendors that sell the Nexus 4 at a higher price. I suspect the whole sales cycle of this phone may be marked by problems between Google and LG, resulting in supply shortages for the lower priced Google-sold phones. If consumers want the phone and don't want to wait for weeks at a time between LG's periodic shipment of a meager supply to Google, you may be forced to buy from other vendors at a higher price or, in the US, a contract commitment to T-Mobile. It looks like Google + LG= oil + water; they don't mix well.
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.... Or maybe not. That's quite the stretch.
shadehh said:
Also the fact that the number of sold devices are not being reported, wouldn't that indicate that the amount of devices are actually not that much after all? (mentioning the # of sold units would discredit their bragging right? - Of course, only if it is not high)
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It is Google's policy not to release sales figures. So it indicates absolutely nothing. Asus released some Nexus 7 sales figures last month and apparently Google was not too happy.
This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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If this was Apple then, yes, I would believe it was intentional but honestly the server was crashing. What I saw you can't fake. It was like a DDoS attack. That server was basically brought to its knees. SERIOUSLY.
Sent from my Nexus 7
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very true... i had an N4 in my cart 8 times today (EIGHT freakin times) and each and every time i tried to proceed, i got that craptastic yellow banner telling me that something happened on the back end. their servers were absolutely hammered.
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This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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I'm happy with the low price and even if I have to wait a year to get a nexus 4 I'm so happy Google set new standards. I don't find the price too cheap, they could have easily added 50 bucks more for all I care. But I'm glad they set new standards for great hardware all others phone manufacturers must now adjust
I waited all day, from 3:00 AM EST when it was SUPPOSED to launch, to 12:00 PM EST when the "second" launch time was "announced", resulting in two times in which the "Add to Cart" button popped up but didn't work after clicking through. The minute I step inside my house, I rush to my computer, and see a nice, red SOLD OUT sign.
It had to be either a) testing the waters in terms of demand for the device (highly unlikely), b) a publicity stunt in order to garner more (free) attention for the Nexus4 (as we say it, any publicity is good publicity), or c) as stated a shortage of devices as a result between miscommunication/communication breakdowns between LG and Google.
Thoroughly disappointed. I sold my phone (GNexus) in the hopes of upgrading for very little $, and now I'm stuck with no phone at all.
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I waited all day, from 3:00 AM EST when it was SUPPOSED to launch, to 12:00 PM EST when the "second" launch time was "announced", resulting in two times in which the "Add to Cart" button popped up but didn't work after clicking through. The minute I step inside my house, I rush to my computer, and see a nice, red SOLD OUT sign.
It had to be either a) testing the waters in terms of demand for the device (highly unlikely), b) a publicity stunt in order to garner more (free) attention for the Nexus4 (as we say it, any publicity is good publicity), or c) as stated a shortage of devices as a result between miscommunication/communication breakdowns between LG and Google.
Thoroughly disappointed. I sold my phone (GNexus) in the hopes of upgrading for very little $, and now I'm stuck with no phone at all.
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man, i feel you. i sold my gnex and my backup (g2x) device in anticipation of the nexus 4. I'm old and tired. So, i'm just going to go to my tmobile store and pick up a note 2. I got one for my wife last week and she has been completely satisfied with it. I'll re-evaluate the state of android in a couple months, whereby I might sell the note 2 to finally get the nexus 4. we'll see.
If you believe that its all a conspiracy, put your aluminum foil hat back on and go sit in the corner.
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This is what happens when things are under-priced. Whether mandated by law (price controls) or whether a company does it out of its own desire (Nexus 4). Selling something below its true value will lead to shortages because the demand will be too heavy. Combine that with Google probably trying to not overestimate the demand in order to not build too many, it should be no surprise that it sold out so quickly.
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Finally someone who understand economics.
Put gas half price today. Guess what will happen. Even if gas stations prepared. EVERYONE will gas and you can't prepare for that. Supply is driven by how valuable it is to sell. Demand is determined by how much value you get. They released a 600$ phone at 300$. Take off your tinfoil hats and go to school.
There is no conspiracy. We are talking about about a relatively small cell phone player in LG and a device with a small profit margin. Considering that both these companies are banking on the same profit model, ie, google wants large volume sales for ads and LG wants large volume to compensate for smaller net profits per phone. With the next big phone literally always around the corner, to delay sales in any way is very bad for both companies.
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I don't find the price too cheap, they could have easily added 50 bucks more for all I care.
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Then it is too cheap If people are willing to pay $400 or $450, and they sell it for $350, that's too cheap. That's why demand is (and should be!) so high.
I don't think they did this intentionally, they have a great device at a great price and it sold out.
Title says it all. What do you think? Should I get rid of my Mate 10? What information is being taken? Are there ways to mitigate eavesdropping or security breaches?
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/14/technology/huawei-intelligence-chiefs/index.html
mscion said:
Title says it all. What do you think? Should I get rid of my Mate 10? What information is being taken? Are there ways to mitigate eavesdropping or security breaches?
http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/14/technology/huawei-intelligence-chiefs/index.html
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They have any proves, i don't see any?! Personally, i don't care what they say, is like thiefs shouting on thiefs! [emoji16]
Pretoriano80 said:
They have any proves, i don't see any?! Personally, i don't care what they say, is like thiefs shouting on thiefs! [emoji16]
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Trump told them so it must be true :angel:
It's U.S protectionism .. Huawei handsets and infrastructure equipment are everywhere (except in the U.S.), and to think the company would risk losing it all by spying, really? Why hasn't there been any proof of these allegations? It truly is BS and leaves the American market relegated to Apple, Samsung, and remaining few. And the hypocrisy, where are iPhones manufactured .. hint, it's not in the U.S.
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And the hypocrisy, where are iPhones manufactured .. hint, it's not in the U.S
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What?! You mean they're not actually made in California?!?!?!
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What?! You mean they're not actually made in California?!?!?!
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Yeah, in Califoxxnia! [emoji23]
What makes you think you phones are not breached by CIA already ?
From point of security breach and eaves dropping, its all the same. However if your interest is in giving the US intelligence an advantage by having a better hand at breaching than the Chinese government, than maybe you can stop buying Chinese phones.
Same with trade wars, if your interest is in giving US an advantage in trade wars than so be it. As a non-American, i have no such trade war concerns.
I used to say I have nothing to hide. Now I say I have nothing left to hide!
I just happen to find this which makes me worry.
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/16/...l?smid=nytcore-ipad-share&smprod=nytcore-ipad
I also remember folks complaining, in a Mate 9 thread on XDA, about the app WPS Office perhaps providing a back door.
Everybody collects data on you. Seems like more aggressive advertising now due to google.
Data collection probably not limited to shopping interests.
Also very worried about backdoors on hardware.
It seems hopeless.
Don't get me wrong. I love My Mate 10.
Would just like a balance between security and privacy.
It would be good for the U.S government to provide PROOF, EVIDENCE and not only conjecture.
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It would be good for the U.S government to provide PROOF, EVIDENCE and not only conjecture.
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Yes, that would be good. They claim there is evidence of past breaches but chances are many would probably not believe it anyway. Best is to take steps to improve own security.
I think nearly all, if not absolutely all, cell phones are manufactured/assembled in China... not to mention nearly all the parts no matter who the "maker" is are made in China also. Doesn't matter if their headquarters are located somewhere else. I have had my Mate 10 (non-pro) for a few days now and it is quite possibly the best phone I have ever owned. My backup phone is a ZTE Axon 7 which was possibly the best right before the Mate. So I guess the Chinese have been reading my email's and text messages for years now. If you think this is only happening (if it even is) on Chinese Owned company phones then you are as delusional as Trump, and that boggles the mind!
Wow, such paranoia. So you're all happy to be spied on by your own government but get tin hat crazy when agencies tell you to not use Chinese phones? Seriously? As previous poster said, where do you think most off your devices are made anyway? Sheesh
When the N.K. "gonna nuke us anytime now" propaganda doesn't work, start blaming Russia.
When blaming Russia doesn't work, blame Kaspersky.
When Kaspersky doesn't work, tell the people to not buy Huawei or Xaiomi etc. devices.
It's gonna be hard to drop Huawei's telecom equipment since a lot of network infrastructure uses their equipment these days. Funny innit?
There probably having trouble finding a back door to Huawei and ZTE phones. Besides, FBI, CIA etc are as subtle as a cockroach on a white rug. Whatever they don't want you to buy, run quick and buy it!
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Was there in the past - 2015/2016 not something similar with the gay phones where the FBI could not crack them and get access to and asked the "fruit company" to provide the software to get access to locked/encrypted phones. They used the excuse that it was important that they had the ability to crack phones used by terrorists...
I believe it could be well that they struggle to find a backdoor on Huawei and ZTE produced phones.
I am sure that the governments have the ability to spy on everybody and if its not the government it will be google or microshaft...
The alternatives are the apple product programmed to slow down as the battery ages and or Samsung products which over time will slow down and or fail due to a mainboard failure, and here I have experience out of 1st hand on my old S3, Note 2 and Note 4 where the mainboards failed due to a eMMC chip failure. Apple and Samsung can keep their crap phones imo.
Yea because the NSA etc can't get in them, no back door etc
First of all, the news shows that the agencies are not really worried about your privacy as a citizen, rather that those phones may be a passive method to learn about telecom infrastructure of the U.S, or even possibly use them as an attack gateway in case of a cyber WWIII.
Now about your privacy:
Huawei, Samsung, HTC, LG, ZTE whatever, all are running Android. Depends on whom you're concerned that will breach your privacy, if you're concerned about the governments, your privacy was breached with the very first smartphone you bought, why? Well, Android is Google and they obviously have backdoors for themselves at least and Google does cooperate with the NSA when they need, so does Apple, so that's one thing. The other concern may specifically be "foreign" governments, which yeah it's possible given how China uses for example WeChat as a way to spy on it's citizens
In short, Huawei or Samsung or Apple, they all are cooperating with some government (May not be directly but through Google).
MONEY!!!!
i would think its more of a breach in the green area, its all about money.....
there is only one thing going on here and that is America being scarred of Chinese corporations...shengzen will overtook every pice of techonlogy in the future. ...and saying that some company is spying on them while "they"(American goverment) does exactly that HAHAHAHA.... what a ****ty claim for them with no proof or whatsoever...well thats how human behaves when gets scarred...u throw every amunition u have at there faces and whis for the best LMAO peace guys
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i would think its more of a breach in the green area, its all about money.....
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Totall agree, and anyone who believes otherwise should have their head examined. Qualcomm, Apple, Samsung .. they all have a lot to lose by allowing Huawei/ZTE access to the U.S consumer market. AT&T cancelling the launch of the M10Pro one day before CES stinks of Government coercion, which I'm sure was induced by lobby pressure.
I'm sure it isn't news to most of you that Huawei and ZTE have been systematically attacked by the United States for a couple of years now. Carriers in the U.S. do not carry Huawei phones, and in the past couple of weeks alone things have been escalated on all fronts. Huawei stock has all but crashed, the victim of serious market manipulation by everyone that the U.S. is forcing to play along with their charade. They are even trying to force other countries to ban hardware from both these companies. Last week, the U.S. bullied Canadian authourities into arresting the CFO of Huawei, who is of course the daughter of the CEO. Needless to say, China is not happy about it - and have made some fairly ugly threats on diplomatic channels since.
There are a few aspects to this, first of all the insistence by U.S. intelligence services that both Huawei and ZTE are 'spying' for the Chinese government. If there exists one iota of proof showing this, they haven't come out with it. In other words, they are claiming that these companies have the 'capability' to spy, which is of course a nonsensical statement because the same could be said for ANY device capable of networking made by ANY company in the past 30 years. If phones or routers or switches or dedicated backbone mainframes WERE spying, any privacy/hacking group would have already come out with obvious evidence of such. I won't even go into the irony of the American government complaining about spying on civilians... The thing that makes this truly laughable is that approximately 80% of all hardware handling Internet traffic already in place was made by these two companies. It is rumoured that the reason for this hysterical attack on these companies, especially Huawei, is that the NSA has not been able to crack their encryption - and that these companies have refused to give the NSA backdoor access. Again, the irony is so rich it hurts.
The U.S. has unilaterally imposed sanctions on Iran, sanctions that have been repeatedly overturned and veto'd by all of the other members of the U.N. council. As such these sanctions do not carry any weight in the international system at large. As an example other countries are merrily continuing to trade with Iran, and the United States cannot legally do anything about it. Their excuse for flat out kidnapping the daughter of the CEO of Huawei (on the same day that Trump sat and had dinner with Xi in Beunos Aires) was the claim that Huawei was doing business with Iran through a shell company. They are accusing her of a crime, based on sanctions that are illegal. A crime that she didn't commit in Canada, or Iran, or China, or Mexico, or in any other country she has been to. Canadian extradition treaties with the United States mean that what the United States did was 'legal' as far as ordering Canadian police to apprehend her - except for the fact that technically she never left the airport, which by law is considered international territory that is legally bound by the laws of specific parts of the airport. For example, a good sized chunk of the Vancouver airport is considered American ground - in the same way that an embassy is. You cross a checkpoint, within which you are bound to the laws of the United States and there are U.S. military forces there in fatigues and carrying AR-15's. She, of course, did not enter this area. In fact she legally didn't even enter Canadian territory.
This is all part of a bigger trade war, one that could potentially get very ugly - very quickly. In the week since her abduction (I won't call it an arrest), Canadian authourities have stalled on having a bail hearing for her. Of course the Americans are demanding that she be denied bail, for obvious reasons. Meanwhile the citizens of Canada (like me) are outraged by this disgusting abuse of American thuggery, and by the simpering cowardice of our buffoon of a leader Justin Trudeau - who in typical idiot fashion happily gushed about how he was warned in advance of this 'arrest'. Let's be clear here. China has blatantly broken international law when it comes to patents and legal intellectual property as a matter of course through the history of technological development. This is how they operate. No one will argue that they caused the crash of several major tech-communications companies here in Canada, including Nortel and arguably Blackberry (although they were a victim of their own shortsightness as well, but hey they really stuck to that physical keyboard to the very end). No one is going to say that China has a great record when it comes to human rights, and they certainly aren't afraid to disappear their own people in a heartbeat - even from foreign countries. That said, it could very easily be argued that the United States has done more harm in our world than China by orders of magnitude - but that is another discussion entirely.
<Insert 20 page rant here about how Bush and Obama sold 500,000 production jobs to China and the American public happily allowed Borgmart to spread across the country like a Cancer>
Anyway, back to the topic of... well, my topic (if that is even possible). Things are heating up BIG TIME - by the day. China announced today that they have banned the sales of all iphones in large parts of the country. They have recalled diplomats, and are very close to expelling Canadian diplomats. The CEO of Huawei isn't just another Billionaire playboy, he is very chummy with the highest members of the ruling party. The Americans knew fully well what message they were sending when they snatched his daughter out of the Vancouver airport. The question is, how far will this go? What lengths will the Americans go to in order to shut Huawei down? Could they lean on Google to the point where Google services disable themselves on Huawei devices? Could they actually force countries like Canada to ban Huawei devices from using tele-communication networks? Let's step back for a moment, to just a couple of months ago. Keep in mind that both Huawei and ZTE phones are allowed to be used by the highest level of government in the U.K., in France, and in Germany. Do you really think that if there was any proof of any kind that these phones were uploading data, that these governments wouldn't have joined the United States in 'banning' them? Here in Canada, Huawei is the prime sponsor to 'Hockey Night in Canada'. What will happen if the Americans take things to the next level, and our phones start little by little becoming unusable? Can we honestly expect Huawei to expend a lot of effort to keep our firmware updated here in the West given the nonsense that is going on?
It is laughable to try and point fingers at these companies for the 'potential to spy' when we are being wrung dry for every bit of personal information possible by Google, Facebook, Apple, etc. Every piece of tech we own is made in China. This situation is getting scary though, and personally I cringe to say it but owning a brand new Huawei phone may be a losing proposition. We have dared to support a company that isn't entirely under the boot of the American petro-dollar Deep State MIC. Is this all just high stakes posturing between superpowers, or the final chess moves in a grand game played by the darkest of Puppeteers?
(don't get me started)
In India too about 95% sentiments are Anti-chinese goods coz they are claiming land belonging to India and that they are encouraging other neighbouring nations (you know which one) for border bullying and other stuffs (you know what).
But, nonetheless, the top market in India is OnePlus and Xiaomi. Technology at affordable cost will win irrespective of where it is coming from.
Irony will prevail, market will not fall only stock will and market shocks are short spanned. Bad days for Huawei but they will come out of it.
Businessmen and politicians never give up on anything
Pretty sure they can't ban certain phones from working, they work on spectrums which are universal across the carriers. I.E There is no way to determine the manufacture of a phone by the phone signal.
They could ban you from importing them though.
Luckily the UK where I live are being a bit more sensible about it and working with the company to iron out any security concerns. The main issue is with 5G, which I've heard Huawei are miles ahead of the competition.
You, sir, have some amazing vocabs and writing ability. Knowing how Huawei and China government works, I wouldn't be to worry about Huawei intentionally slowly down their devices in the western countries. I did make an acquaintance of a Huawei top brass a few years back. Don't be too worry about your device not receiving anymore updates.
The banning of apple phones in China was spurred by qualcomm. Both US companies sueing the crap out of each other in China. It is almost laughable.
Also I doubt Google will disable their services on Huawei devices. Firstly, Google is trying to re-enter the Chinese Market. Secondly, China phone producers would not lose a thing. They already have their own application stores and cloud drives made for the Chinese people. The whole ecosystem is there, with or without Google.
Really like your views and speculations. Cheers.
Phil750123 said:
Pretty sure they can't ban certain phones from working, they work on spectrums which are universal across the carriers. I.E There is no way to determine the manufacture of a phone by the phone signal.
They could ban you from importing them though.
Luckily the UK where I live are being a bit more sensible about it and working with the company to iron out any security concerns. The main issue is with 5G, which I've heard Huawei are miles ahead of the competition.
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I'm not saying they would, but it is certainly possible to ban/blacklist imei's TAC and technically carriers could band together and create agreed upon blacklists for phones. I'm also guessing here that if a government wanted to ban certain vendors, then they could mandate that their carriers (carriers are obliged in most country's to operate under government authority) not allow IMEI TAC ranges. I'm commenting purely under technical merit, not legal.
I don't agree with sanctions against Iran but the US is free to pass sanctions agains Iran and the fact that other countries don't pass similar sanctions doesn't render them illegal. What the US government is claiming is that Huawei used shell companies with accounts at US banks and mislead those banks about the fact that the companies were engaged in trade activities that are illegal in the United States.
This might be a comolete political farce orchestrated by a US President that is beneath contempt but that doesn't mean you have a clue what you are talking about when you try to make arguments about what is legal and illegal.
I don't think there is any real possibility of Google being forced to remove its services from Huawei devices sold outside of China. Google has too much to lose as an international company to not vigorously fight any kind of law Trump might try to pass. Trump started his trade war with China to distract his supporters from the investigation into his ties with Putin and Russia and the day after Trump leaves office the trade war with China will be over. It has no support beyond the officials that are scrambling to keep Trump in office.
Phil750123 said:
Pretty sure they can't ban certain phones from working, they work on spectrums which are universal across the carriers. I.E There is no way to determine the manufacture of a phone by the phone signal.
They could ban you from importing them though.
Luckily the UK where I live are being a bit more sensible about it and working with the company to iron out any security concerns. The main issue is with 5G, which I've heard Huawei are miles ahead of the competition.
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However they can determine the manufacturer using the Imei.........
panman1964 said:
However they can determine the manufacturer using the Imei.........
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Manufacturer AND phone model actually.
giz02 said:
Manufacturer AND phone model actually.
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Indeed.
Sidebar (and going slightly off topic):
Have you considered modifying your signature so it doesn't take up so much space (eg look at mine)?
I love your take on this whole fiasco
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Indeed.
Sidebar (and going slightly off topic):
Have you considered modifying your signature so it doesn't take up so much space (eg look at mine)?
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What is your signature?
The concern about whether it is wise for US government employees to use Huawei phones because of the potential they could be used to spy on communications pre-dates Trump.
Those concerns never extended to consumers using Huawei phones and have nothing to do with Trump's China trade war or attacks on Huawei. This is just Trump being Trump. He is a moron, a bully, a liar and a crook and being president doesn't change any of that.
AT&T and Best Buy dropping the Mate 10 Pro was simply an act of cowardice and had nothing to do with US Law. The Mate 10 Pro was still sold on the shelf at Walmart, Sears, K-Mart and other stores in the United States and also directly from Amazon (unlike newer Huawei phones that are only available on Amazon through third party sellers).
Huawei phones were never illegal in the United States. Huawei chose to stay out of the US market after the Mate 10 Pro because it isn't worth the time, money or trouble at the present time.
The charges against the Huawei executive in Canada have nothing to do with Huawei phones.
ZTE Phones are no longer being attacked by the White House because they reportedly paid a hefty bribe to Trump in the form of subsidies for a resort he plans to build in Asia.
ZTE phones were never banned for use on US carriers. No phone brand has ever been banned for use on US networks or by US carriers.
You don't seem to understand the difference between the loud political posturing of Trump and actual law which are very different things.
Also, anyone who believes Juliane Assange at this point is gullible at best because Assange has obvious ties to Russian intelligence and acted as their outlet when they were trying to manipulate the presidential election on behalf of Trump.
I find it sad that some people here actually take the OP post seriously.
The only thing Trump did was sign a bill banning government and military purchases of a host of Chinese hardware. I'm sorry CNN promised you that Cankles would win. Huawei is the only communications company that makes their own chips, and as such they are enemy #1 to the alphabet agencies in the States - because they want to be the only ones spying on American citizens. The pressure on carriers and major outlets like Best Buy to drop their phones was because Huawei was going to stomp Samsung and Apple out of the entry level phone market, and then the high end phone market. It just isn't acceptable that Billionaires in China would make money on the backs of slave labour in Asia, instead of Billionaires in the United States making that money on the backs of slave labour - while not paying a nickel of tax. And yeah, perfectly normal for the CEO's daughter to be abducted out of an international airport in Canada based on.... sanctions against Iran that the U.N. Judiciary Council has unilaterally denounced how many times now? Just a coincidence that Huawei stock crashed from direct manipulation by western financial systems after China threatened a total ban on iPhones in China?
It doesn't matter *why* Huawei is being attacked from all sides. The fact is, they most certainly are. The laughable part to all this? They are under suspicion of 'spying' because their founder was a former member of the Chinese military. Uhhh.... ALL Chinese companies can be considered to be 'State controlled', and as far as 'potential spying', again you can say the same for any electronic equipment with networking capability that has ever been made in China. There has never been one iota of proof that Huawei or ZTE has uploaded one single packet of information back to President Xi's intelligence apparatus. Isn't it a little late for all this posturing, regardless? Aren't these two companies responsible for 80% of all the Internet hardware on the planet?
I'm concerned about this, because it doesn't look like we are going to get an unlocked bootloader - which puts us at the mercy of a fragile support for a fringe carrier phone here in North America. If the pressure on Huawei continues, I can see them slowly withdrawing from the Western market entirely. If this was a $400 phone, I wouldn't be too worried about the longevity of support.
I broke my screen while backpacking across Europe. After going to Samsung repair center in Prague and being told its an American phone and we don't fix them. I tried again in Milan. Called USA tech support 4 times only to be told send it to Texas to be repaired. Wonderful phone just don't drop it and if you do don't expect it to be repaired if you are not in the United States. Mayorly disappointed
Plenty of repair centres, including the ones that come to your home in the UK. I can't imagine the screen is any different between US and Euro?
I think it may have to do with Samsung Europe doing everything to discourage people from importing the better (SD vs Exynos) and cheaper phones from USA...
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Plenty of repair centres, including the ones that come to your home in the UK. I can't imagine the screen is any different between US and Euro?
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Samsung told me on 3 different call the phone is not fixable in Europe. I hav to send it to the service center in Irving Texas. And they don't care that i an out a $1500 phone while on vacation. They are a **** company when it comes to service. They hung up on me 4 times and when i tried to give them a 1 out of 5 on the automated phone review I was told the system didn't understand my response then thanked me and hung up. That one way to keep your customer reviews high.
Damn this sucks a lot...
Mike99991 said:
I broke my screen while backpacking across Europe. After going to Samsung repair center in Prague and being told its an American phone and we don't fix them. I tried again in Milan. Called USA tech support 4 times only to be told send it to Texas to be repaired. Wonderful phone just don't drop it and if you do don't expect it to be repaired if you are not in the United States. Mayorly disappointed
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Its to do with both companies being different entities and having different warranties. Likewise a phone from Europe would not be accepted in the USA.
Are you sure this is a Samsung problem? As far as I know all phone warranties are not international. For example the iPhone warranty specifies the countries in which it is valid, and indeed America and Europe are not put together.
I absolutely believe this is more to do with the motherboards not being the same. I don't believe the S888 and the E2100 have the exact same die/footprint. Parts comparison seem to show different size slots for components near the earpiece. I just believe the people you had on the phone couldn't tell you "exactly why", as most of the time, they don't have the knowledge.
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I absolutely believe this is more to do with the motherboards not being the same. I don't believe the S888 and the E2100 have the exact same die/footprint. Parts comparison seem to show different size slots for components near the earpiece. I just believe the people you had on the phone couldn't tell you "exactly why", as most of the time, they don't have the knowledge.
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That half makes sense. The different SoC would mean a potentially different layout and slight changes in any exterior components. Normally, companies would try to standardise as many parts as possible but since there's only 2 SoCs then that only two variations which is likely acceptable to Samsung. I wish a had a EU and US variety of any Samsung phone to check this.
The call centre people won't have any idea on why this restriction exist. They are either trained to state it or are following a diagnostics script on the computer and will quote only what that tells them. Even if they had any knowledge, they wouldn't be able to divert from the official line or they will be in trouble.
I am sorry about your phone, that's a tough spot to be in.
If I were you, I'd buy a cheapo used phone wherever you can and just fix the s21 Ultra when you get home.
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Service is a word that gets thrown around a lot and has lost its meaning. I take the word very seriously. While the quality of products themselves, all products, has ebbed & flowed over the years, service is in decline everywhere and for me, it began here in the US. Now of course I've noticed it across many other countries - as an aside, particularly China. The quality of support is completely conducive to preferred/main customer base (higher), to how badly you need the service (lower), to diversity (lower), to how well the product has sold that you're requesting service for (much lower). So with the latter in particular, Samsung sells a million of these things and doesn't give a rat's ass who needs help 9 of 10 times I'd wager. These companies get so big that they go through a phase where they really don't think a whole lot about losing customers.
Want to get an idea of the TOTAL loss of service? Spend time in the can. A dear friend of mine did and the hoops she had to go through to receive calls from me, get my commissary contributions, even get a pair of socks. Experiencing that on either end REALLY tweaks your barometer for how you view service both good and bad.
Amazon is a company I really try and avoid, but their return policy is a cinch. I suppose this is good "service" but I wouldn't call it "service" in a discussion really. For a company that floods their marketplace with black/grey market items & counterfeit reviews/resellers from China, and makes UNGODLY amounts of money off them, they'll take your grey market Plantronics headset right back without question because they know you'll buy something else and they know the sellers are addicted to them. Right now it seems the only corp/person who is billionaire successful & still has a soul is Elon.
Hopefully Samsung gets their act together when they see their margins tip with the s22, maybe Amazon (heh yeah right) will get their crap together when customers jump the Prime ship with these subscription price increases. Or maybe not - Moto/Lenovo lost market share & could STILL care less.
Oh yeah, and stay outta the can.
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To the OP - best of luck & get home safely!
As your paying Samsung should be able to fix the screen and this is terrible Consumers travel around the world and Samsung should have a International warranty option.
I got my Canadian S9 Screen fixed in NZ by a Third party. Snapdragon model. NZ Samsung will fix out overseas models provided they can but you have to push to do so.
(This might be unique to NZ because of the amount of overseas visitors we have to such a small population.)
This is done to discourage importing. Because in there eyes you costing Samsung NZ a sale.
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Are you sure this is a Samsung problem? As far as I know all phone warranties are not international. For example the iPhone warranty specifies the countries in which it is valid, and indeed America and Europe are not put together.
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In my Experience Apple have a International Warranty. I know of Ipads and Phones being replaced provided they are compatible in the New Country that your in under Warranty. With Samsung we are not even talking about a Warranty replacement.
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Are you sure this is a Samsung problem? As far as I know all phone warranties are not international. For example the iPhone warranty specifies the countries in which it is valid, and indeed America and Europe are not put together.
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Apple or its Apple Authorised Service Providers will provide warranty service on products that are tendered or presented for service during the Warranty Period, as permitted by law. If the product is portable, meaning that it can operate independently without a power cord, you may obtain warranty service worldwide.
It's the same screen - they should have fixed your device...
I use a SM-G9980 16/512 DS I brought in from Hong Kong - because I wanted to use ROOT and the Qualcomm engineering tools to give myself a WWD with all the 5g bands turned on. I broke its screen while at my residence in the western US, I have been fortunate in my endeavours, so I didn't give a rat's about the Samsung warranty or cost of repair- I cared about how fast my device could be repaired... There were some important documents I needed.
I asked the authorized Samsung Repair center, got the same BS that you did - which is ridiculous... Lots of busisiness people travel the world every day - I'm a global traveler l should receive service wherever I am....
If I have to pay a international charge or subscribe to something, fine. But I don't like being told it can't be fixed when in truth it's just a poorly thought out Samsung policy.
I'm not sending it off to Hong Kong for repair Not willing to accept defeat, I had a replacement screen (A US one not Chinese from HK) purchased on ebay - OEM cost a little short of 300 US Dollars - don't get the barebones one that you have to transfer everything, I extreme urgent overnighted it to my residence, took my device apart so I could see what was inside, and t hen I hired a kid from the repair shop to wrap it up for me - It's the same screen - just makes sense why engineer another screen when it's the most expensive part- make 'em interchangeable but lie about it was the policy... LOL
Go back there an have 'em try to put what they have on your device, and It's going to work.
If they wont' just buy one on e-bay and pay them to attach it - the hardware is compatible. I have my device in had right this second - works like a champ. If I'm wrong I'll pay for the one you wasted that didn't work. 100/dl
Let us know what happens - am I proven correct or do I owe you a reimbursement
L4X$
Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but aren't you the one at fault for trying to get a US version of the phone fixed in Europe?
Your warranty is valid, if you're in the country you purchased it in...
Am I missing something painfully obvious?