This question is directed to those who have taken apart their Kaiser, and specifically screen the screen assembly. I've got water issues and the screen is broke now. Here's the story. I might get some outrageous warranty charges.
I installed the InvisiShield (www.shieldzone.com) on my phone. Essentially it's a screen protector that is indestructible. It practically is, but unfortunately it destroyed my phone. To install it you have to spray this liquid on the back of the 'shield' and apply it to your phone, using a squeegee to get the bubbles out. It went pretty well, and I was happy with the results, but 3 days later my screen stopped working.
Everything is washed out, and it looks like water got inside the LCD somehow. For instance, colors streak across the LCD in fonts, etc.
I called ATT and they are mailing a replacement, and I'll be expected to send this phone back. They said if the return phone has damage that would void warranty (water damage, etc) I'll be prorated $400 on my next bill.
Over the phone the customer representative had me remove the battery and check one of the water damage pads to make sure it was white. It is.
For those who have seen internal phone assembly, is there any of these directly by the screen that will pick up moisture?
As far as ATT knows, the phone LCD suddenly stopped working. I'll get a replacement and /hopefully/ theres not a moisture pad right next to the LCD assembly. Anyone know?
Damn, hate those broken screen story's. Scars the **** out of me.
jon_k said:
This question is directed to those who have taken apart their Kaiser, and specifically screen the screen assembly. I've got water issues and the screen is broke now. Here's the story. I might get some outrageous warranty charges.
I installed the InvisiShield (www.shieldzone.com) on my phone. Essentially it's a screen protector that is indestructible. It practically is, but unfortunately it destroyed my phone. To install it you have to spray this liquid on the back of the 'shield' and apply it to your phone, using a squeegee to get the bubbles out. It went pretty well, and I was happy with the results, but 3 days later my screen stopped working.
Everything is washed out, and it looks like water got inside the LCD somehow. For instance, colors streak across the LCD in fonts, etc.
I called ATT and they are mailing a replacement, and I'll be expected to send this phone back. They said if the return phone has damage that would void warranty (water damage, etc) I'll be prorated $400 on my next bill.
Over the phone the customer representative had me remove the battery and check one of the water damage pads to make sure it was white. It is.
For those who have seen internal phone assembly, is there any of these directly by the screen that will pick up moisture?
As far as ATT knows, the phone LCD suddenly stopped working. I'll get a replacement and /hopefully/ theres not a moisture pad right next to the LCD assembly. Anyone know?
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I dont know but man I hope that there isn't. Have you tried contacting invisishield? Never mind, b/c they'll blame you. Most applicators like that use alcohol to evaporate the remaining moisture that's left. My friend applied it to his, and he used very little liquid(scared), so GOOD LUCK!! I MEAN IT
Tough break, sounds dangerous to pour liquid on the screen though !
On a related matter has anyone seen pics of a Kaiser pulled apart ? Still wondering where the GPS antenna is located !
Yeah, I hope I don't get shafted.
I love the invisibleshield, and I put one on my $1,500 DSLR camera screen, but since the Kaiser screen is recessed a bit, when you squeegee the solution out from under the screen, it cannot be wiped away. It just gets pushed out between the phone's body bezel, and the screen glass -- right in to the phone. With my DSLR camera, the screen is flush with the body, so when squeegee'd I could quickly wipe the water/alcohol away.
Contacting Invisibleshield got me:
Our liability does not extend beyond our product. The lifetime warranty only covers the replacement of the invisibleSHIELD and NOT a warranty for the device the shield is protecting.
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If ATT charges me the $400 if they find out, I guess I'll pay it. It's my fault, but by extension of invisibleshield. Guess I'll learn not to use that product on anything that has a recessed screen. I was thinking of buying an invisible shield for my laptop as well, but it's screen is slightly recessed like the kaiser, so you can forget me doing that!
xmoo said:
Damn, hate those broken screen story's. Scars the **** out of me.
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That was why I bought the 'best screen shield on the market' for scratches (invisibleshield). Coincidentally that was the demise of my phone. I also purchased a steel case that basically would let me sit on my phone (uncomfortably) if i wanted. The desire to protect my phone, did the opposite in my case.
Wow what a horror story. Thanks for sharing with us - may prevent another phone from dying.
Wondering if you remove the battery and not using for a few days until the water dries out before turning it on?
zcink said:
Wow what a horror story. Thanks for sharing with us - may prevent another phone from dying.
Wondering if you remove the battery and not using for a few days until the water dries out before turning it on?
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Could be, zcink. The replacement phone is on it's way. I can remove the battery during this time it takes for the replacement to come and see what happens. Unfortunately, I think one of the following has happened:
1) Water seeped between the LCD protetcive glass, and the LCD itself, and somehow soaked in to the LCD causing mini shorts -- thus resulting in kludged text.
2) Water seeped to the phone's connecting cable where the screen input is, dried on the wires, thus creating a short -- destroying the signal.
Either way, when the liquid dry's, the mineral deposits causing the short will still exist, still causing a short. For both, repair requires disassembly, voiding my warranty. I could buy a new replacement screen from the China place for about $100, but if ATT /might/ replace it without screwing me, I'll take the chance. Just wanted to know what my chances /were/ them finding out it's got water in it.
I guess the moral is.
Don't buy from InvisibleShield, unless you use a SPARING amount of spray they they include. They include a huge bottle, and I used 2 sprays worth applied to my shield. This created enough excess to be squeegeed right into my phones body. The phone worked great for a few days, until one day at work, while I was using it -- BAM -- the screen was dead.
There isn't the water dectector there, but I'm pretty sure the technicians would notice the damaged screen.
I know those screen protectors, used them for alot of things. Using one right now actully. Its the one you wash with soap and warm water, and just let it dry, it have a static adhesive to the the scree.
I see. yeah hopefully the ATT tech will be lazy and just grant you the warranty without investigating. just play dumb. If they charge you the $400 call them up and threaten to switch to T-Mobile.
My phone died and T-Mobile was going to do nothing until I threatened to switch to ATT, then they replaced it.
I seriously doubt that they will be able to tell unless you really soaked it, next time use a dry screen protector, they work just fine, no bubbles. The only moisture sensor is on the battery, and if it was a tiny amount of moisture, there's likely no signs in the screen assembly. AT&T isn't likely going to dissect the screen to check.
Kaiser disassembly howto
I have found this one somewhere here, can't remember where... Hope this helps.
http://www.mediafire.com/?0ly2msnybhb
Hadn't heard of that screen protector before, guess it would work well on an HTC Touch, not sure how the "full body" version works though!
gabriel31337 said:
I have found this one somewhere here, can't remember where... Hope this helps.
http://www.mediafire.com/?0ly2msnybhb
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Amazing find. Thanks!
It appears to me that the screen itself is it's own modular unit. Meaning, after phone disassembly, you'd have to disassemble the actual screen itself. Further, there is no moisture indicators directly by the assembly it seems.
Knock on wood, but I'd hope a tech wouldn't go that far to determine the fault of the phone. I assume they would if theres telltale signs of water damage to the display (streaking might be a common sign.) But, maybe, just maybe, they won't.
http://www.gpspassion.com/download/HTC_Kaiser_disassembly.pdf
updating link
RemE said:
The only moisture sensor is on the battery
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The service manual shows 4 of them, one under the battery that can be seen from the outside, one at the top and one at the bottom of the mainboard's other side, and.. one on the board that holds the bottom front panel switches, so very close to the LCD.
Personally I wouldn't have asked for a replacement phone, I'd have disassembled the phone and tried to clean it if made dirty by the liquid, bought a spare screen off ebay if it was definitely dead, and if ultimately it didn't work bought another phone off ebay for less than $400. But maybe I like risk
Here, Perfect for what you need, used it myself: http://www.mindsofwisemen.com/fileso/other/ReplacingTheLCDonaKaiser.pdf
Best wishes
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Not sure if the above noted guide is officially and with permission uploaded to that site, but to give credit to members here it is (SKDVR’s Adaption of Tony Chen’s guide)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2247685&postcount=19
i took mine apart to replace the screen; pics and info on what i did and where i got it. didn't see any water indicators near the screen when i did it, didn't think to look...
Keyboard membrane removal.
So, I've had trouble with my keyboard lately and wanted to just clean off the contacts on the membrane...but I can't seem to get the damned thing out of the plastic keyboard Middle Housing.
I have gotten everything apart so the housing is separated. Verified that I did it the way the service manual says...but i saw NOTHING about how to disassemble the keyboard from the housing.
PLZ! Pictures are good.
Try replacing digitizer screen
found that digitizer screen is above lcd and can be purcased for about $10 on ebay
hello guys,
my tytn II cant detect simcard saying the simcard is missing.
Any idea whats wrong???
The inevitable has happened and I dropped my HD2 and now the glass is smashed into pieces.. the touch screen still works and the lcd looks fine underneath. A couple of questions;
Wheres the best place to buy the replacement parts?
Do I need to just replace the glass or the whole screen?
Is it a difficult job to replace it? the iphone was a bugger to do.
Hi,
I have got the same problem, always carefull and than in a split second it slips out of your hand. With me the "touch" still functioned but the glass was shattered.
I called HTC (in Holland), they have a service center where they can repair it and get full warranty back. It is a very expensive joke (I got a quotation of 267,50 Euro).
I could have my HD repaired by a non-htc company, but they did not give any guarantees. Prices were the same...
I heard that it is possible to only replace the glass, but almost always the digitizer is also (partly) defect. And if not then the chance of braking the digitizer is very big when you try to seperate it from the glass.
I had a lot of calls with my insurance company (no phone insurance) and finally they agreed to pay for the damages.
I hope this helpes a bit, good luck
Regards
Bazzz
how about a broken camera glass, does anyone know how much that costs?
yes
mine broke to and i would repari it
but im wondering to repair it alone becouse there are alot of glass lenses on ebay for like 5 us !
Think you can pick 1 up for about 50bucks..
Check --»Here«-- and --»Here«-- for detailed disassembling and assembling your Hd2..
So I just got the IS before the weekend and Ive been setting it up and playing with it ever since.
Now, what I've noticed, is a small piece of silver metal stuck between the screen and the phone body. Its on the left side approx in the middle of the screen. I though it was a scratch, but I can clearly se the plastic sandwitched between the glass and the body bein bent. So,does anybody else have this? Is it part of the phone, some sensor or touch adapter/device? I dont really think so but just thought I'd check wi you guys.
Definitely a production fault.
Could you keep us posted on the repair, or replacement please?
I'm quite interested as I have a faulty touchscreen, and I'm wondering how long it will take for a repair.
So get this, i've been fighting with FutureTel ( repair center) and HTC over a warranty on my One m7. The speakers started to show signs of failure, calls were crackly and popping. My phone has been in the Official double dip case since i got it in may. The case has a major flaw, it causes scratches on the device when you use it, either from dusty rubbing or taking it off and on. So it lightly scuffed the front camera lens to a point where when you use it the image looks a little foggy.. No big deal, i'm not some 16 year old girl taking selfies... So I sent it in.. 2.5 weeks later i get an update " Please authorize the replacement of the LCD display, upper and lower speaker grills due to physical damage"... What?
According to FutureTel, they will not replace the speakers because I have light scratches on the grills.. And because the grills are "fused" to the mid frame, they have to replace the LCD display too.... $329.00.
Hope in the sweet hell does light scratches void a god damned warranty!!
So I called HTC, surely they will think this is absurd... nope, "Warranty is at the discretion of the repair facility. HTC has no say in what is or isn't considered physical damage".. word for word from an HTC Rep.
Completely blown away... Now i will need to either pay $35 to get it back as is, or cough up $330.00 + $45.00 per speaker = $420.00 to get my blown speakers fixed.
This HTC One has been my nightmare device since Day 1. this is the 5th time it has been in for repair and the 4 times before this one, the scratches were present and had no problems...
Anyone else get this crap? Am I the only poor sob that bought an HTC One that has had this many issues..
I have not had any of those issues.. But if it were me i would bring up the last part about it being in multiple times for issues..
Also im guessing your not in the USA.. I say this because you sent the device in for repair to a non HTC facility..
Is it possible to deal with HTC directly for repair?
The speaker grilles are not 'fused' to the mid frame. They are glued. Sounds like FutureTel is trying to pull a fast one.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk Pro
No, HTC does not want us to ship to them. They out sourced FutureTel for all Canadian based repairs..
As for the grills, I know, but it's pointless freaking out over the phone to a call center drone, they are just too low in the power chain to do a damned thing.
I've already talked to HTC and convinced a support tech that this is just stupid! Scratching the door on a car doesn't void the power-train warranty...
So now i'm waiting on HTC's RMA department to step in.
As a side note, i said this to the manager at the local carrier store and he actually spent a few minutes trying to convince me that the phone wasn't actually a car.... Guy's a moron.
Screamed loud enough to get HTC to replace my screen and camera lense/speaker grills AND do the warranty work i sent it in for, and cover it all under warranty.
Nice! Future tel are bunch of scumbags
Iz3man said:
Screamed loud enough to get HTC to replace my screen and camera lense/speaker grills AND do the warranty work i sent it in for, and cover it all under warranty.
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Did HTC end up doing the repair or the repair company that was trying to cheat you?
HTC stepped up and told the repair depot to do the repair... and some.
Hi,
This is similar to the problem of screen cracked, but NOT the same problem.
My phone slip from the bed, 10 cm height, slid along the wall and fall into a very thick carpet. with Rhino-Shield on it. (https://www.evolutivelabs.com/)
The display cracked in the left-bottom corner.
I know for a fact, that every time I pushed the screen in this corner I heard some noise, like that something is not "sitting" well.
I always think, that this was the screen protector or something legit..
Now I think that this is not abuse.
I will like to hear from other users, if that happen to them.
And any thought will appreciate by me.
p.s-
The outer screen is without any scratch and normally the phone is with case-mate on it.
this one:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/321969570376?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
Thanks!
p.s 2 -
how the display can crack, but the screen not ?.
(how this possible ?)
no way, ive had the exact same thing happen on the back, i have no idea when it happened but its cracked in the corner and u can push it down
hi,
you talking about the screen (the outer glass).
I talking about the display screen.( the inner display cracked, but not the glass)
If the screen is fine and you had case mate on it so there should be no fall damage on the phone just send it to sony becouse there had to be an issue with build quality. Just say it cracked by itself. Dont send case mate cover it may not came back. Repair cost will be covered by warranty.
They tell me that the warranty do not cover this..
Maybe I will return it to Amazon.
I disappointed from Sony, because this is not abuse & It make some sounds(in the same area) before it happened..
Be1n said:
They tell me that the warranty do not cover this..
Maybe I will return it to Amazon.
I disappointed from Sony, because this is not abuse & It make some sounds(in the same area) before it happened..
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The best thing to do would be to send it in for repairs, although I'm not quite sure if they cover accidental damages such as what happened with your phone. Either way without warranty's coverage it might cost quite a bit of cash to get it repaired. If the crack is negligible then I suggest using the phone for now, saving up for a new device would be more practical.
Good luck