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HTC One and Cyanogenmod

Hello everyone,
Over the last three or so years I have made my way through a lot of phones, always in-search of the 'perfect' one.
I've settled on the Nexus range because I love stock Android and have found the hardware to be acceptable.
For my next foray into a 2013 phone I'm thinking of getting the HTC One and pairing this with Cyanogenmod, when it becomes available.
This to me would be the best physical hardware, in both appearance and materials of any Android device, and software.
Something akin to this!
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So the reason for this thread is to gain input from those who have used both Stock and Cyanogenmod.
Am I going to be satisfied with the move?
Visually things are the same? The use the same assets?
What problems could arise? What should I be aware of when compared with Stock?
Any other thoughts or opinions you may have. Please keep it in-line with the HTC One and Cyanogenmod.
Many thanks.

Off-topic but when I look at that Black picture I find it sooo cool.

CyanogenMod will most likely come to the device. I don't see why it wouldn't. It'll also look just like CyanogenMod on your Nexus devices. But you can be assured that it won't come easily. It'll be harder to build than a nexus device, and early builds are likely to have bugs that will need to be worked out

notsointeresting said:
CyanogenMod will most likely come to the device. I don't see why it wouldn't. It'll also look just like CyanogenMod on your Nexus devices. But you can be assured that it won't come easily. It'll be harder to build than a nexus device, and early builds are likely to have bugs that will need to be worked out
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I've never rooted a device to put any ROM other than an update to Stock. I guess what I'd like to know is what the differences are between stock and Cyanogenmod. If the experience of using them is nearly 90% the same, then I'll be happy. If it's further away than that, I'll have to force myself to wait for the Nexus 5 and hope it brings some premium materials.

Re: blingfeed annoying
Is it worth it. I love it but even on the one x was frustrating due to not being able to use the camera to it's full potential.it would fly on here but you'd lose a lot on this device. Which would be a shame
(No doubt if be trying it still if it was here though and get frustrated again lol)
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mr.suff said:
Over the last three or so years I have made my way through a lot of phones, always in-search of the 'perfect' one
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I had the last 'perfect one' - the legendary HTC HD2 - since it came out.
I dropped the first one I owned and almost sold the insurance replacement to buy a different phone.
I was tempted many times by the hypegasm of new fangled phones but, really, what were they adding that the venerable HD2 couldn't already do? Nothing really.
Glad I made the choices I did.

Wait and see, all these answers can be answered by yourself ...
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mr.suff said:
I've never rooted a device to put any ROM other than an update to Stock. I guess what I'd like to know is what the differences are between stock and Cyanogenmod. If the experience of using them is nearly 90% the same, then I'll be happy. If it's further away than that, I'll have to force myself to wait for the Nexus 5 and hope it brings some premium materials.
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By default, it is basically identical, with a few improvements (T9 dialing).
However, there are many options to customise it - adding different shortcuts to the lockscreen ring (up to five, I think), quick-toggles in the notification shade, "quiet hours" (a setting which silences your phone during certain times of the week)..
The list is exhaustive.
CyanogenMod is much better than stock, imo, notification toggles are much better (and less complicated) than the quick-settings panel.

i wouldn't buy this device based on getting CM10. i think it's going to be quite awhile for both this phone and the s4. if you want a pure Google experience id look into the n4 or wait and see if the n5 is going to be announced at google io in may.

fix-this! said:
i wouldn't buy this device based on getting CM10. i think it's going to be quite awhile for both this phone and the s4. if you want a pure Google experience id look into the n4 or wait and see if the n5 is going to be announced at google io in may.
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Already have the Nexus 4. Mainly interested in the external hardware look and feel of the One, it's the Android equivalent of the iPhone 5 . I doubt Google will announce a new Nexus device at I/O, but I could be wrong.
I'm looking for opinions of those who've used both Stock and Cyanogenmod extensively. What they like and don't like.

mr.suff said:
Already have the Nexus 4. Mainly interested in the external hardware look and feel of the One, it's the Android equivalent of the iPhone 5 . I doubt Google will announce a new Nexus device at I/O, but I could be wrong.
I'm looking for opinions of those who've used both Stock and Cyanogenmod extensively. What they like and don't like.
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im hearing the n5 will be announced at google io.

What is this cyanidemod? Please be happy to tell me.

Suqmadiq said:
What is this cyanidemod? Please be happy to tell me.
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Stock Android without custom skins like Sense and TouchWiz: Wiki
Edit, Its not cyanidemod, its cyanogenmod

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NiCk.JaY said:
Stock Android without custom skins like Sense and TouchWiz: Wiki
Edit, Its not cyanidemod, its cyanogenmod
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It's not Stock Android. There are a few modifications! For example the quick toggles.
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I didn't read the question properly lol. Mate if your a fan of pure android stick with the nexus.I love both so I'm okay. But pure...there's a lot to be said for how quick everything runs. Though I wouldn't pass on the one.
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Thing is, stock rom (Sense) tend to have better battery life than CM10. Stock roms (Sense) are more optimised for the system. I've noticed this since my battery was a lot less when I had the S2, S3, HTC One X etc using CM10.

I also feel this may get a quicker/less buggy release than the S4 with exynos 5. I imagine samsung wont release any info for the exynos 5 like they havent for the exynos 4. The S600 variants will probably be fine but that may give the One an advantage.

it makes no sense to buy a HTC One or any phone for that matter to just put stock android on it.. you lose half the features the phone came with (even if their are gimmick or not)
You should just buy a Nexus device.. because in the end thats all you trying to get..
You are buying the HTC One for design.. not for its features..
The processors wouldn't be any difference in notice.. unless you plan on running HD 1080P videos every second of the day and playing games like "Dead trigger, Real Racing etc every day"

May-C said:
It's not Stock Android. There are a few modifications! For example the quick toggles.
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That was just to explain the basics of cm to him
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The main difference between stock android and cyanogenmod are featured n options. There are a lot more settings, n tweaks and ways to persoalize it the way you want. There are also variations of CM like aokp, paranoidandroid,etc which add even more options and customizations. Also there will be sense roms with things added/removed l, etc that you may like. The great thing about Roms is that you can change the whole look ans feel of your phone within minutes. Best thing for you to do is go over to like the HTC EVO 4g LTE forum or the HTC ONE X forum and look thru the android and original android development sections at all the toms and get an idea what is out there. Any aosp rom would be cm like stock android and any sense is just that tweaked stock sense.

Congrats to CM

Cyanogen goes from from Android mod to legit startup with $7M from Benchmark
http://venturebeat.com/2013/09/18/c...-mod-to-legit-startup-with-7m-from-benchmark/
Hopefully we see good things in the foreseeable future, gotta love what CM has done for all of us :thumbup:
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This guy is a legend.

Good luck to Steve... I would be willing to at least try out a Cyanogen OS phone.
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Even though I do not use CM.
I wish them the BEST!!!
I hope they become 2nd. Not 3rd
Because....
"Apples are meant for eating...period."
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Cyanogenmod was the first rom i ever flashed. Seeing it grow up kinda brings a tear to my eye :crying: . Best of luck Steve im sure it will be popular!

Does anyone else realize how nuts this is? I mean, from a back door, unlicensed, hackers, weekend project to a full fledged entity that directly competes against big name software. All for free. This is amazing and can only get better congrats to them and the whole android hacker community!
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Did anybody actually read the article?
Am I the only one confused about the CM installer off Google Play? Wut
Can anybody explain how non rooted users can switch to CM via an app from the Play Store?

Here is the full blog by the guy himself.
http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/a_new_chapter
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sauprankul said:
Did anybody actually read the article?
Am I the only one confused about the CM installer off Google Play? Wut
Can anybody explain how non rooted users can switch to CM via an app from the Play Store?
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I'm pretty sure the CM installer will require root, I mean there are plenty of apps that requires root on the PlayStore.
I'm curious of how they will eventually monetize this. $7mil is no small investment, the invester will expect a return? I'm pretty sure if cm came shipped with a phone it might be without root. If you followed Steve K on plus he posted a question about the reasons why users want root and he said it was possible to achieve most of it without root with coding and thus will provide a more secure environment.

I thought this was funny
https://plus.google.com/100275307499530023476/posts/Y1NNyPMMVfN

im0rtalz said:
I'm pretty sure the CM installer will require root, I mean there are plenty of apps that requires root on the PlayStore.
I'm curious of how they will eventually monetize this. $7mil is no small investment, the invester will expect a return? I'm pretty sure if cm came shipped with a phone it might be without root. If you followed Steve K on plus he posted a question about the reasons why users want root and he said it was possible to achieve most of it without root with coding and thus will provide a more secure environment.
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If it does require root, what exactly is the point? I'm sure most people who go through the trouble of rooting their devices have at least heard of CM, if not used it. This really won't "expand the user base" or whatever unless it can painlessly root your phone from stock. Which I'm pretty sure it can't do. Plus, He also writes about how the rooting process is "gruesome" and he thinks it is unnecessary. Maybe he has/will figure out a way to get CM on our phones without root? He said next few weeks, so... let's see.

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If it does require root, what exactly is the point? I'm sure most people who go through the trouble of rooting their devices have at least heard of CM, if not used it. This really won't "expand the user base" or whatever unless it can painlessly root your phone from stock. Which I'm pretty sure it can't do. Plus, He also writes about how the rooting process is "gruesome" and he thinks it is unnecessary. Maybe he has/will figure out a way to get CM on our phones without root? He said next few weeks, so... let's see.
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I meant that their goal would be to have a partnership with oems and have devices that comes with cm pre-installed so there would be no need for root it might just update thru the stock recovery just the same as a regular ota would be. Well everything is just speculation but from the looks of focal then voice+ there is going to be so many good things to come. A revamp theme engine that rivals miui maybe.
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im0rtalz said:
I meant that their goal would be to have a partnership with oems and have devices that comes with cm pre-installed so there would be no need for root it might just update thru the stock recovery just the same as a regular ota would be. Well everything is just speculation but from the looks of focal then voice+ there is going to be so many good things to come. A revamp theme engine that rivals miui maybe.
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If I were a multi billion dollar company, I wouldn't exactly want to outsource my OS development to a small hacking startup.
It would be cool, but I think it's not possible right now, at least, not with mainstream OEMs.
Oppo? Probably. Samsung HTC Sony etc? Prolly not.
And he specifically mentioned the installer right after the "rooting is gruesome" thing. I think that's a good clue.
EDIT: Maybe something like a "CM edition" will work, just like GPe?
Also, did anyone notice the iPhones in
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Although I don't typically use it as a stand-alone ROM, most of the ROMs I build and like best are based in CM. They have a great team and embody everything about open-source that users, devs and aspiring devs want to emulate. I think it's high time they receive the recognition they deserve and a top spot in the Android and mobile OS forum. Best of luck, guys!

Started from the bottom now he here! Congrats to Steve and the whole CM team. Reminiscing about the CM6 days to where CM is now always brings a tear to my eyes. Lol.
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sauprankul said:
If I were a multi billion dollar company, I wouldn't exactly want to outsource my OS development to a small hacking startup.
It would be cool, but I think it's not possible right now, at least, not with mainstream OEMs.
Oppo? Probably. Samsung HTC Sony etc? Prolly not.
And he specifically mentioned the installer right after the "rooting is gruesome" thing. I think that's a good clue.
EDIT: Maybe something like a "CM edition" will work, just like GPe?
Also, did anyone notice the iPhones in
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I noticed all the iDevices and was very intrigued by it. CM on iOS devices? That's something I can get excited about.
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"The firm's first announced step is to improve the process of installing the software on owner's devices, which Kondik described as "hideous". A new installer app is planned to be released "in the coming weeks" on Google Play. The installer app will not require rooting the device, instead installing by simply clicking a button."
http://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/CyanogenMod:_Open-source_smartphone_OS_goes_commercial?dpl_id=785316
If that's true, the CM will be an instant hit.
I wonder if this will void warranty since you basically just installed an app. Also, I know I'll be laughed at, but will not having root fix the frequency lock issue?

my main question when i install CM in the future will it be a close to stock android experience that we all know and love or are they looking to do something like amazon(just not terrible) and use android as a base

turtleman2008 said:
my main question when i install CM in the future will it be a close to stock android experience that we all know and love or are they looking to do something like amazon(just not terrible) and use android as a base
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dude. C'mon.
Really?
C'mon.
The whole point of CM is to get closer to the stock experience. It's just that now, overlays like TW and Sense don't suck. CM is upping their ante to compete with these guys (Hence the project name Nemesis). They are introducing features like CM accounts and focal, which don't detract from the experience.
It would be suicide for CM to completely run away with Android like that.

sauprankul said:
If that's true, the CM will be an instant hit.
I wonder if this will void warranty since you basically just installed an app. Also, I know I'll be laughed at, but will not having root fix the frequency lock issue?
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Looks like the installer will only work on unlocked *bootloader unlocked* and developer editions, they are hoping more manufacturers will eventually offer offical unlock, similar to HTC dev unlock I am thinking. So it isn't going to magically install CM on any device.
CyanogenMod will have its own installer app “in the coming weeks” which will be available in the Play Store. Initially the app will not install CyanogenMod on devices for which unofficial exploits were used to unlock their bootloaders. Steve Kondik (cyanogen himself if you didn’t already know) had this to say about the installer app:
The first release of the installer won’t support devices that require exploits. The long-term goal is to open up OEMs to the possibility of supporting us officially- there’s zero technical reason for these measures and the best way to fix it is to not buy these devices and speak your mind.
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It’s more important to me to work with OEMs on changing policy than developing exploits, though. And we’ll do that by creating great stuff that people want to use.
The app should work seamlessly on your Nexus device, your Developer Edition device or your device for which an official bootloader unlock is available.
Also some interesting read on focal https://plus.google.com/106978520009932034644/posts/L8FJkrcahPs

"L" Preview Source drop includes Nexus 7 (2012)

Looks like we will get "L" after all.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ve-aosp-includes-support-nexus-4-5-7-2013-10/

Just want a stock rooted "L" rom so the N7 can feel revived.

bpickard said:
Looks like we will get "L" after all.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/0...ve-aosp-includes-support-nexus-4-5-7-2013-10/
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Yessss, official support is sweet.

Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5

Mkvarner said:
Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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My Nexus 7 2012 Runs fine and fast.I have 32 gb and keep it less then half full. That is the Key to Android it seems.
But Now we just need someone to built L For us

L yea Google, this is awesome!

erica_renee said:
My Nexus 7 2012 Runs fine and fast.I have 32 gb and keep it less then half full. That is the Key to Android it seems.
But Now we just need someone to built L For us
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Agreed. I had to remove all the apps I don't use regularly to have reasonable speed performance.
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Result! Good on you Google!
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So it looks like a ROM can't be built from this right now, but do you think it means for certain that n7 2012 will get 'L' from Google?

Yeah definitely.
There is an updated device tree (updated directly by Google of course); that seems to indicate the arrival of L builds for the Grouper.

gsmyth said:
Result! Good on you Google!
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So it looks like a ROM can't be built from this right now, but do you think it means for certain that n7 2012 will get 'L' from Google?
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I think they will, otherwise they wouldn't be releasing the GPL parts of the source. If they weren't working on it they wouldn't have to.

Mkvarner said:
Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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Ha I have a Moto G and that makes the nexus7 2012 seem slow, ill need to start using my optimus 2x to make the nexus 7 seem good again

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A new version of L LPV81 was leaked on development site for a few minutes and guess what, Nexus4 was there.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Is the Nexus 7 2012 Wifi codenamed "flo"?

This is great news for the nexus program seeing the 18 months update principle is not set in stone. Will be interesting to see art on stock for the 2012 n7.

dione1200 said:
Is the Nexus 7 2012 Wifi codenamed "flo"?
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No it's Grouper. I think someone made a photoshop xD

Mkvarner said:
Hopefully it's going to be less crap to use than it is today. The Nexus 7 is terribly slow when you have a Nexus 5
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That's due to the terrible Tegra 3 SoC (even for its time) and awful kernel and drivers from nvidia.
I'm actually surprised it runs as good as it does on the latest kitkat release. Google have done everything they can for this old device.

darkchazz said:
That's due to the terrible Tegra 3 SoC (even for its time) and awful kernel and drivers from nvidia.
I'm actually surprised it runs as good as it does on the latest kitkat release. Google have done everything they can for this old device.
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w00t SRSLY?! Have you tried re-formatting all partitions with F2FS, use an AOSP based 4.4.3/4.4.4 ROM on it with ART enabled, fsync turned off and Greenify for all less important apps? (together with an optimized custom kernel). It runs amazingly fast, even without any overlocking the CPUs. It also gives a great battery life due to Tegra 3's companion core. I actually think that the SoC was more future proof than all the Snapdragon SoCs that came out last year.
williamsjp: I have my Moto G here in front of me (bought it back in November) and my Nexus 7 (with the setup mentioned above) is definitely faster...way faster in fact.

I also have a moto g and a stock nexus 7. The phone is way faster. Probably you're right about f2fs and that does the trick.

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w00t SRSLY?! Have you tried re-formatting all partitions with F2FS, use an AOSP based 4.4.3/4.4.4 ROM on it with ART enabled, fsync turned off and Greenify for all less important apps? (together with an optimized custom kernel). It runs amazingly fast, even without any overlocking the CPUs. It also gives a great battery life due to Tegra 3's companion core. I actually think that the SoC was more future proof than all the Snapdragon SoCs that came out last year.
williamsjp: I have my Moto G here in front of me (bought it back in November) and my Nexus 7 (with the setup mentioned above) is definitely faster...way faster in fact.
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f2fs masks the horrid IO problems on the Tegra 3 a little, but if you do much, lag. Optimized software can only help with bad hardware so much.
All-f2fs... Honestly, nonsense IMO. Data and cache, yes. System? Useless.
Personally I'm really tired of my Nexus 7 2012's lag. It was a fast device when I first got it but once I started installing stuff on it and it got filled a bit, it's lagged ever since. If I nuke it completely, fast again. So I could remove a bunch of apps or stuff, or use it slow.. Oh well.
AOKP 4.4.4, data f2fs, m-kernal a69, in case you're curious. And yes I greenify apps which can' t behave and run themselves etc.

I could really use a point in the right direction about making my 2012 16GB WiFi model faster. It's had CM10, CM11 and now bone stock 4.4.4 on it and it's a all a lagfest compared to my N5.
If there is anything at all I can do, i'm all ear's. I see something above about F2FS but I don't come here often (ever, actually) so I have no idea what that means.

Do you think an international Version with COS (CM) is coming?

The question already says everything.
I love the specs of the phone, finally a flagship which has all I personally need.
When it gets the amount of Custom Roms of the Z1 i really want to buy the Z2.
Furthermore 6 GB Ram sounds really tasty.

I'd like to think so. See no reason why not.
I was literally on the cusp of buying the Xiaomi Mi5, but this appears far superior, except perhaps the lack of NFC.
ZUK Z1 wasn't very popular, but it kind of missed the boat. Seems ZUK have dropped this phone right at the correct time. Xiaomi isn't making it easy to get the Mi5 and the OP3 hasn't dropped yet.
Be nice if CyanogenOS 13 was on it.....

Well instead i think not...in the last days if you follow the official european distributor facebook's page they told a lot of bad things about Cyanogen, the last one is this:
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And some days ago:
https://www.facebook.com/zukofficial/posts/1562718527358847?comment_id=1562752227355477&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D
Then i think that is really hard...however i don't think that they will stop international avalaibility but probably they will translate the ZUI..or maybe they have a sort of Android version for global market (like One Plus with Oxygen OS), let's wait and see!

don't know if I could go back to a phone without wireless charging but otherwise it sounds great

SedyBenoitPeace said:
Well instead i think not...in the last days if you follow the official european distributor facebook's page they told a lot of bad things about Cyanogen, the last one is this:
And some days ago:
https://www.facebook.com/zukofficial/posts/1562718527358847?comment_id=1562752227355477&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R9%22%7D
Then i think that is really hard...however i don't think that they will stop international avalaibility but probably they will translate the ZUI..or maybe they have a sort of Android version for global market (like One Plus with Oxygen OS), let's wait and see!
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Okay looking at their Facebook page seems unlikely they wanna use CM again... so hopefully its unlocked so there will be good development for this phone to change ZUI.
There is intl version of lenovo rom though.

Anybody knows, is english language include in it and can i use it in Europe?

So i hope that CM is coming in the unlocked version.

dtosun said:
Anybody knows, is english language include in it and can i use it in Europe?
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We know nothing right now. But im sure in some days/weeks we will get the infos. I really really hope that the Bootloader is unlocked for CM (not ****ty COS).

Tiz92 said:
So i hope that CM is coming in the unlocked version.
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I hope as well. COS would be even better IMHO.
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For me a translated ZUI or another Chinese rom is a NOGO.
The rest of the phone (but the battery) looks very good....
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Given the fact that you already have Z1, why do you say that Cm implementation would be better and ZUI is a no go?

oile said:
Given the fact that you already have Z1, why do you say that Cm implementation would be better and ZUI is a no go?
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Because we like stock Android without laggy skins.

Tiz92 said:
Because we like stock Android without laggy skins.
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100 people, 100 opinions...

denkem said:
100 people, 100 opinions...
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Of course. You are right. But with an unlocked bootloader and open sources we can get our beloved CM and Toms and the people who wants to stay on the Zuks UI can do it.

Tiz92 said:
Of course. You are right. But with an unlocked bootloader and open sources we can get our beloved CM and Toms and the people who wants to stay on the Zuks UI can do it.
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Agree of course. I didn't want to sound offensive But tbh, I only have had zuk z1 in my hands for maybe 5 days. And CM was as buggy as ZUI. So I'll wait for xda users "reviews" rather than some *izmo**** websites review. And then I will decide. On paper it looks good so far

Tiz92 said:
Of course. You are right. But with an unlocked bootloader and open sources we can get our beloved CM and Toms and the people who wants to stay on the Zuks UI can do it.
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What is Toms ?

based on what i read in a couple of sites - it says there is no international ver of the device.
hope it will be proved to be wrong.

Looks like no international version. China only.

It won't come with cm, although I think it would be an open source software and would be a peace of cake making Nexus ROM based .. So I don't mind.

Engadget updated their article to say a Lenovo rep confirmed China availability only: http://www.engadget.com/2016/04/21/zuk-z2-pro-lenovo/
Maybe it will still come with an unlocked bootloader though, however resellers prices will likely prove to be less attractive...

oile said:
Given the fact that you already have Z1, why do you say that Cm implementation would be better and ZUI is a no go?
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Ciao @oile,
it's a very personal opinion. I dislike actually every ROM that is not AOSP based. Material design is brilliant and implemented in all major apps. Switching from a material design app (e.g. Gmail) to a very chinese stile (e.g. ZUI) is very inconsistent.
I'm not a Cyanogen fanboy (I'd be happy with something similar to what OnePlus did with Oxygen OS) but the stability, performance and features of COS 12.1 on the Z1, are almost perfect for my usage pattern.
Long story short: it's a very personal preference of Android as it was designed by Google with some nice additional features.
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Tiz92 said:
Because we like stock Android without laggy skins.
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Very true........
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Tiz92 said:
Of course. You are right. But with an unlocked bootloader and open sources we can get our beloved CM and Toms and the people who wants to stay on the Zuks UI can do it.
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Ciao @branzoll,
unfortunately in my long experience of flashing CM and ASOP roms I never found am implementation that was perfect (lower than stock camera quality, bad radio drivers (GPS), lower than stock battery life). The two best CM/COS implementation I tryied were on ZUK Z1 and OPO!!
I hope I'll be wrong but I struggle to think of full sources sharing. No OEM want/can have a full release (see Sony and their willingness to share stopped by the legal issue with Quallcom).
I lost the hope of a perfect custom AOSP rom that is not a official commercial one (COS/Oxygen/some Mediatek ROMs).

Question Xperia 10 IV, Trust on First Use

Howdy, everyone. I picked up an Xperia 10 IV (model No. XQCC-72) and I’m having trouble with the WiFi.
My work uses WPA2 enterprise encryption, but doesn’t issue any kind of certificate.
Here’s my understanding of the situation:
As-of later builds of Android 11, Google disabled the ability to select “Do no validate” when connecting to these networks.
However, they implemented a replacement system called Trust on First Use (ToFU) that shipped with Android 13.
Well, my Xperia is on latest build of Android 13 that’s available; but ToFU isn’t an option. I can select to use system certificates, or to install a certificate of my choice, and that’s if.
ToFU works perfectly fine on an old Pixel 4a that’s running Android 13; so it’s definitely not a problem with the WiFi. Seems to be entirely limited to the Xperia
Does anyone have any suggestions? Or even confirmation if this is a bug limited to my device; rather than a conscious choice made by Sony to disable ToFU? The company phones where I work are iPhones, so there’s no chance of them updating the WiFi to work with Android’s more stringent security requirements anytime soon.

MEGAS XLR said:
Howdy, everyone. I picked up an Xperia 10 IV (model No. XQCC-72) and I’m having trouble with the WiFi.
My work uses WPA2 enterprise encryption, but doesn’t issue any kind of certificate.
Here’s my understanding of the situation:
As-of later builds of Android 11, Google disabled the ability to select “Do no validate” when connecting to these networks.
However, they implemented a replacement system called Trust on First Use (ToFU) that shipped with Android 13.
Well, my Xperia is on latest build of Android 13 that’s available; but ToFU isn’t an option. I can select to use system certificates, or to install a certificate of my choice, and that’s if.
ToFU works perfectly fine on an old Pixel 4a that’s running Android 13; so it’s definitely not a problem with the WiFi. Seems to be entirely limited to the Xperia
Does anyone have any suggestions? Or even confirmation if this is a bug limited to my device; rather than a conscious choice made by Sony to disable ToFU? The company phones where I work are iPhones, so there’s no chance of them updating the WiFi to work with Android’s more stringent security requirements anytime soon.
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Hello, i also have this problem
have you found a solution?
only solution i seemed to have found was using a custom rom

DrDrag0n said:
Hello, i also have this problem
have you found a solution?
only solution i seemed to have found was using a custom rom
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Nothing yet. I just installed a recently released update, and still no TOFU. I tweeted to the official Xperia twitter about implementing the feature, since there isn’t any kind of feedback hub.
I hope they activate it at some point. I’d like to get an Xperia 1 V as my next main phone, but not being able to connect to my workplace WiFi is a dealbreaker.

MEGAS XLR said:
Nothing yet. I just installed a recently released update, and still no TOFU. I tweeted to the official Xperia twitter about implementing the feature, since there isn’t any kind of feedback hub.
I hope they activate it at some point. I’d like to get an Xperia 1 V as my next main phone, but not being able to connect to my workplace WiFi is a dealbreaker.
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I have the 1 iii, it is an amazing phone. The 1 V will no doubt be incredible.
i have found using custom roms did make TOFU appear but Sony really should support this stock. Especially since android 13 should have it enabled by default

DrDrag0n said:
I have the 1 iii, it is an amazing phone. The 1 V will no doubt be incredible.
i have found using custom roms did make TOFU appear but Sony really should support this stock. Especially since android 13 should have it enabled by default
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I would use a custom ROM if I could, but as of yet there’s nothing for the 10 IV that I could find. And I’m not savvy enough to make my own.
Sony is one of the few, possibly only companies that make a phone with flagship specs, that also supports expandable storage and still has a headphone jack. But they just had to cripple it by leaving out a feature that’s baked into Android by default.
I don’t know if they left it out for some reason on purpose, or if it accidentally got disabled during development and nobody’s brought it to their attention yet.
I may never know.

MEGAS XLR said:
I would use a custom ROM if I could, but as of yet there’s nothing for the 10 IV that I could find. And I’m not savvy enough to make my own.
Sony is one of the few, possibly only companies that make a phone with flagship specs, that also supports expandable storage and still has a headphone jack. But they just had to cripple it by leaving out a feature that’s baked into Android by default.
I don’t know if they left it out for some reason on purpose, or if it accidentally got disabled during development and nobody’s brought it to their attention yet.
I may never know.
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Im going to tweet them as well and hope someone sees it. It should be enabled by default so there is potential that for security reasons in A11 and A12 they hard coded TOFU being disabled and forgot to add it back in

MEGAS XLR said:
I would use a custom ROM if I could, but as of yet there’s nothing for the 10 IV that I could find. And I’m not savvy enough to make my own.
Sony is one of the few, possibly only companies that make a phone with flagship specs, that also supports expandable storage and still has a headphone jack. But they just had to cripple it by leaving out a feature that’s baked into Android by default.
I don’t know if they left it out for some reason on purpose, or if it accidentally got disabled during development and nobody’s brought it to their attention yet.
I may never know.
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Have you tried https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-unofficial-pdx225-13-lineage-20-for-sony-xperia-10iv.4562485/?
If you are not sure if your model is supported just ask in that forum also same in regards for TOFU.

sieghartRM said:
Have you tried https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-unofficial-pdx225-13-lineage-20-for-sony-xperia-10iv.4562485/?
If you are not sure if your model is supported just ask in that forum also same in regards for TOFU.
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I can’t believe I missed the thread for that Lineage OS port. I sure feel like a dope.
I’ll give it a shot when I have some time to mess around, but that’ll probably fix it. I’m running Lineage OS on an old Pixel 3a, and TOFU works perfectly. So this is promising

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This is the reply from Sony. Some corporate copy-and-paste nonsense that isn’t even related to what I asked.

I looked through the unofficial LineageOS thread, and there seems to be some audio and camera bugs. Plus the ROM is distributed in a .bin format; which Windows really doesn’t want to work with and I don’t feel like digging out an old PC with Linux on it at the moment.
I think I actually did see that unofficial build of LineageOS before; but didn’t want to deal with the hassle that comes with an unofficial build for a fairly niche device.
I might just keep my eye on it for now but leave my Xperia as stock. Who knows, maybe we’ll get TOFU in a year when Sony puts out an update to Android 14.
It’s not a huge deal for me; I picked this thing up cheap on a whim. Both to gauge modern Sony phones (I haven’t used an Xperia since I got the very first model in the lineup, the Xperia X1, back in 2008) to see if I’d want to use one full time, and to eventually put Sailfish OS on it if Jolla decides to support it. My primary iPhone connects to improperly secured WPA2 networks, so it’s not the end of the world for me.
I do hope Sony eventually gets it together and fixes this problem. My iPhone is starting to show its age and I really like the design and feature set of the Xperia 1 series; but I can’t reasonably spend that kind of money on a phone that won’t even connect to the WiFi at work.