Is dark mode dangerous for the screen? - Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Questions & Answers

I've seen a youtube video where author says that dark mode in S9+ killed his phone screen.
He said that when you use app that is not affected by dark mode (stays white) and this app uses keyboard (black in dark mode) it causes screen fatigue when you open keyboard and than close it.
Of course it depends on usage but in his example (using this app few times a day) his screen died after two weeks or something like that.
Is it even possible?
If I understood him correctly it wasn't usual screen burn in.

whatever caused the screen to malfunction wasn't use of dark mode

raul6 said:
whatever caused the screen to malfunction wasn't use of dark mode
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It seemed WEIRD but I decided to ask. I've thought abut it like a light switch.
On bright screen when we turn on black keyboard it will make pixels black. Maybe doing this a lot could be harmful.
Well... I like dark mode so I might turn it on again someday
Thx

860lacov said:
It seemed WEIRD but I decided to ask. I've thought abut it like a light switch.
On bright screen when we turn on black keyboard it will make pixels black. Maybe doing this a lot could be harmful.
Well... I like dark mode so I might turn it on again someday
Thx
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its like saying that driving your car is bad for the car because when you were driving it failed.

Dark mode doesn't kill displays

freeza said:
Dark mode doesn't kill displays
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randomness of the QC does.

860lacov said:
It seemed WEIRD but I decided to ask. I've thought abut it like a light switch.
On bright screen when we turn on black keyboard it will make pixels black. Maybe doing this a lot could be harmful.
Well... I like dark mode so I might turn it on again someday
Thx
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On Oled screens, the sections of the screen that are black are actually turned off completely. So so those pixels aren't even being powered.

I think that idea behind "problem" is :
When you have bright screen and you turn on keyboard with black elements than turn keyboard off it will work like power switch.
To be honest I choose to believe people from xda and assume that if I'm not unlucky than my screen is gonna be fine .
I feel that dark mode has got to much bright elements like icons . They should be grey or something

860lacov said:
I think that idea behind "problem" is :
When you have bright screen and you turn on keyboard with black elements than turn keyboard off it will work like power switch.
To be honest I choose to believe people from xda and assume that if I'm not unlucky than my screen is gonna be fine .
I feel that dark mode has got to much bright elements like icons . They should be grey or something
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What do you mean "it will work like power switch"? And please explain why "work like power switch" is bad for the screen.

Jammol said:
On Oled screens, the sections of the screen that are black are actually turned off completely. So so those pixels aren't even being powered.
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gruuvin said:
What do you mean "it will work like power switch"? And please explain why "work like power switch" is bad for the screen.
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Imagine Light bulb.
When switch is on there is light. When off there is no light.
If I'm correct light bulbs burn when you turn on power . Not while emitting light.
I have no idea if this comparison is even near the truth but this is what came to my mind .

860lacov said:
Imagine Light bulb.
When switch is on there is light. When off there is no light.
If I'm correct light bulbs burn when you turn on power . Not while emitting light.
I have no idea if this comparison is even near the truth but this is what came to my mind .
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sounds logical to me.
let's see if an engineer can disprove it.
im not one but i know that incandescent bulbs and oled are pretty different. the burning filament part of a bulb has a high peak uppon power on and and just the nature of the "burning" makes it much more prown to burnouts. plus the AC current switching created by 50 or 60 hz must be a big part of why bulbs break more...just the strain of it switching polarity back and forth and there is no capacitor to smooth it out. Oled being part of a DC electronic device and natively consuming much less, has all sorts of controls and capacitors to smooth everything out and moreover, it is constant.. but id bet if there is some sort of app that could strobe between full max brightness and blackout real quickly, I'd presume failure faster than we might think.

LED works differently than light bulbs... if LED is near to dead... it won't produce the correct light colors which is nearly happens when there's a screen burn on any OLED screens... it will display colors differently
Correct me if I am wrong but that's how I see it

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Maybe some conclusion ??
Dark mode and normal mode are the same for the screen ?

Oleds are designed to turn off the pixels that are not neded, so no, using a dark theme wont damage the screen.
and the power switch theory is very far from beeng anything, everything you turn on works like a "power switch" and you dont see everything on fire
in the case of the phone, is best for the pixels to be off because they have a sort of fixed lifetime, you will extend that lifetime using them only when needed.

A friend of mine used their S8+ in light mode at 80% brightness and after 18 months the screen was badly burned in. There was a brown haze affect over the entire screen and the status and Navigation bars were heavily noticeable on videos.
Dark mode saves battery and is easier on the eyes. Samsung has done well at preventing burn in, whereas LG is still questionable.

LEDs are diodes. A diode is a pn junction (a one-way valve), which is also what you find in transistors. These things are designed to switch on and off thousands of times a second, and do so for years with zero issues. LED brightness can also be driven with pulse width modulation, switching hundreds of times a second, with a modulated duty cycle that varies the LED brightness. Also note that while you are watching a video on your phone, five million LEDs are getting their brightness modulated 30 times a second. These things are designed exactly for this stuff. Nobody on YouTube will convince me these OLED screens are damaged by normal use.
NORMAL USE.
That said, these screens get VERY bright, to accommodate infrequent use under full sunlight. But some people complain that they can't stand (or even read from) their phone if the brightness is any less than full blast. My wife has it this way even in a dark room, or worse, while DRIVING at night. It's ridiculous! Auto-brightness is the way to go. My Auto-brightness varies from about 10-50% in normal indoor lighting, and it's very comfortable on my eyes while saving battery. I've just finished my normal 16 hour, day and I'm have 79% charge left (seriously). I last took my phone off the charger 16 hours ago.
Download and run the OLED tools app to see how bright your Note9 can go. You have an enormous amount of brightness headroom that you should never need to use for very long.

Dark mode actually helps prolong the life of AMOLED/OLED displays. As pixels which display black are turned off, so only the pixels which display color on the display are active.

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Dimming the brightness even further?

I have the brightness set to zero, but I still find the screen too bright especially at night when the lights are off. Even at the lowest setting, the browser will light up the entire room and its very hard on the eyes. Is there a way to lower the brightness even further? Is there a hack available that will do this?
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I have the brightness set to zero, but I still find the screen too bright especially at night when the lights are off. Even at the lowest setting, the browser will light up the entire room and its very hard on the eyes. Is there a way to lower the brightness even further? Is there a hack available that will do this?
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You can wear sunglasses while looking at your phone at night.
supremeteam256 said:
You can wear sunglasses while looking at your phone at night.
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I wish that were true, but unfortunately I don't own prescription sunglasses.
you could hit the end button so the screen goes off
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you could hit the end button so the screen goes off
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But then you can't see anything, that's almost as mental a suggestion as layering up 3 or 4 mirror screen protectors.
Instead of suggesting **** you could try to answer his question in a real way.
I think there is a way via setprop..
Try this in terminal (after su)
setprop settings.display.brightness 0
Sunsglasses sounds like a good idea.
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Instead of suggesting **** you could try to answer his question in a real way.
I think there is a way via setprop..
Try this in terminal (after su)
setprop settings.display.brightness 0
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Thanks for chiming in with an actual suggestion. I tried changing the setprop setting to 0, but it didn't decrease my brightness any further than what I can achieve in the Settings menu. It's too bad, I wonder if an app could be made to force the phone's brightness to decrease even further.
You know what... I like this suggestion. I am one of the few people that sometimes uses the phone as an alarm clock and have it sitting next to my bed. I work nights but get off work at 5 in the morning. When I get home I sleep. It's nice to wake up and look at my phone without having to reach over and hit a tiny ass button just to check the time but keeping it on means that I have a night light shining while I'm trying to sleep. So I like this idea and would like to see it dimmed by at least another 50%.
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You know what... I like this suggestion. I am one of the few people that sometimes uses the phone as an alarm clock and have it sitting next to my bed. I work nights but get off work at 5 in the morning. When I get home I sleep. It's nice to wake up and look at my phone without having to reach over and hit a tiny ass button just to check the time but keeping it on means that I have a night light shining while I'm trying to sleep. So I like this idea and would like to see it dimmed by at least another 50%.
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I agree. I often grab my phone in the middle of the night to view new emails or google search random thoughts. My eyes get scorched though even when the brightness is turned all the way down.
I like the sunglasses idea!
how about putting on a darkened screen protector?
shaolinx said:
I like the sunglasses idea!
how about putting on a darkened screen protector?
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Do you have a link to one?
Me too.
I do alot of surfing in the middle of the night with the wife and baby in the bed and its pretty dam bright even when set to 0.
I run the brightness widget (not sure wich one) and I also use Timerific to auto dim to 0 after like 11m.
Sometimes I will see that the brightness is set to -8. Even though it doesnt seem any dimmer than normal, its jsut an observation.
I think that If we want to go dimmer its gonna take some sort of kernel hack.
I tried setting it with a - value and it didnt work, although none of the other set prop stuff worked either I think the apps i have set are blocking it somehow.
Ill mess around with a fresh rom and see if it will go into negative.
I also noticed that sometimes when its auto setting thebrightness levels it will go below what looks like 0 brightness for about a half second before it sets to 0 so I know its physically possible for the screen to go at least a little dimmer.
i know there was a way of getting it to -13 % by playing around with the settings on the brightness widget and useful switers..

Gear Live and burn-in

Since Android Wear has the screen on all the time, and the Gear Live is AMOLED wouldn't burn in be an issue? the galaxy gears on display at retail stores have a bit of a burn in problem.
nolandynamite said:
Since Android Wear has the screen on all the time, and the Gear Live is AMOLED wouldn't burn in be an issue? the galaxy gears on display at retail stores have a bit of a burn in problem.
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From what I've read, the watches are "always on" in the sense at the screen stays on, but the lighting is turned off. So instead of having to refresh the UI every time the watch is seen, it just turns the light on. Similar to a backlight for a laptop. Display models are usually always lit so they burn in due to the display being lit 24/7.
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From what I've read, the watches are "always on" in the sense at the screen stays on, but the lighting is turned off. So instead of having to refresh the UI every time the watch is seen, it just turns the light on. Similar to a backlight for a laptop. Display models are usually always lit so they burn in due to the display being lit 24/7.
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As far as I am aware, AMOLED has no backlight...that's sort of the point...every pixel "burns" individually.
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As far as I am aware, AMOLED has no backlight...that's sort of the point...every pixel "burns" individually.
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I said similar because not everyone is familiar with the way AMOLED's work. But the same thing occurred at his Best Buy as would any modern portable display, device is constantly lit, and resulted in burn in.
I'm sure the user has an option to turn off the display if they choose to.
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they also have dark mode and dim (holding palm over the screen) don't they?
hopefully there'll be something within all this to prevent issues.
Only LG G Watch has "Always-on" display, Gear Live and Moto 360 have a button to turn it on and yes in the Setting you have an option to adjust the brightness.
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Only LG G Watch has "Always-on" display, Gear Live and Moto 360 have a button to turn it on and yes in the Setting you have an option to adjust the brightness.
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After watching like, 40 videos, I'm pretty sure that they all have always on. The button on the Gear Live and the 360 are to act as a physical way of turning off the display entirely as LG allows by covering it with your palm. But yeah, from what I've seen, the Gear Live goes into the same low power greyscale mode that the G Watch goes into, and both support wrist flicking to activate the display.
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After watching like, 40 videos, I'm pretty sure that they all have always on. The button on the Gear Live and the 360 are to act as a physical way of turning off the display entirely as LG allows by covering it with your palm. But yeah, from what I've seen, the Gear Live goes into the same low power greyscale mode that the G Watch goes into, and both support wrist flicking to activate the display.
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I did watch about 40 videos too lol and LG G Watch was the only advertised as "screen always on" as Gear Live has Super AMOLED display and even greater resolution than LG G Watch so the Gear Live would burn out in matter of hours.
LG G has 400 Mah battery, IPS display and lower resolution so it can withstand being "always-on" for at least 36 hours as advertised.
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I did watch about 40 videos too lol and LG G Watch was the only advertised as "screen always on" as Gear Live has Super AMOLED display and even greater resolution than LG G Watch so the Gear Live would burn out in matter of hours.
LG G has 400 Mah battery, IPS display and lower resolution so it can withstand being "always-on" for at least 36 hours as advertised.
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Except, you know, on the official Google page, and in the videos that I've seen, the screen also just times out to a low power, black and white screen (referring to the Gear Live). Super AMOLED is more power efficient in idle / dark screens due to the nature of individual pixel lightning, so I don't really understand what you mean by the Gear Live would burn out in a matter of hours (they should be relatively the same from what I can tell).
Always on = standby (i.e low brightness, dark screen). It does not mean full brightness, always coloured watch face. No way in hell. If that was the case, why would the displays time out in what appears to be 5-10 seconds?
Yeah.. I'm going to wait on conclusive battery testing before making my purchase. I've got like a week anyways, might as well.
Also, I'm legitimately concerned about screen burn in now, given the nature of AMOLED.
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Except, you know, on the official Google page, and in the videos that I've seen, the screen also just times out to a low power, black and white screen (referring to the Gear Live). Super AMOLED is more power efficient in idle / dark screens due to the nature of individual pixel lightning, so I don't really understand what you mean by the Gear Live would burn out in a matter of hours (they should be relatively the same from what I can tell).
Always on = standby (i.e low brightness, dark screen). It does not mean full brightness, always coloured watch face. No way in hell. If that was the case, why would the displays time out in what appears to be 5-10 seconds?
Yeah.. I'm going to wait on conclusive battery testing before making my purchase. I've got like a week anyways, might as well.
Also, I'm legitimately concerned about screen burn in now, given the nature of AMOLED.
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i've been concerned about screen burn in from time to time as well (most recently with the gnex). but then i realized it is highly unlikely i'll have the device for long enough to achieve burn in and/or notice
I've been playing with my Gear Live for a couple of days, so here's what I can tell :
- The screen is "Always On" by default, which means it will get dimmer and switch to a black background on most watch faces (and for AMOLED, black means "off").
- You can set it to turn off completely.
- In order to dim it (or turn it off depending on the settings) you can either wait, cover the screen with your hand, or use the physical button... The button is not really practical and seems to serve absolutely no purpose since you can use the screen.
- I haven't noticed any burn-in at all yet
- I think I noticed that from time to time the facewatch (I'm using the one with the digital hour in the center and analog minutes, I think it's called "digitalog" ) switches a few pixels to the right or to the left. My guess is it is to prevent burn in, I know most plasma TVs do that too.
- I had a Galaxy S2 for several years before switching to a Nexus 5, and yes, the toip of the screen where the notification bar usually is was burnt-in (or rather I think the whole screen was burnt except for this black bar). It was noticeable on full screen apps but never bothered me. Even if it happens on the Gear Live I can't see it bothering me... It's not like I'll be watching movies on it...
So my guess is you should be fine... But if you're really worried you can always disable "Always On".
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I've been playing with my Gear Live for a couple of days, so here's what I can tell :
- The screen is "Always On" by default, which means it will get dimmer and switch to a black background on most watch faces (and for AMOLED, black means "off").
- You can set it to turn off completely.
- In order to dim it (or turn it off depending on the settings) you can either wait, cover the screen with your hand, or use the physical button... The button is not really practical and seems to serve absolutely no purpose since you can use the screen.
- I haven't noticed any burn-in at all yet
- I think I noticed that from time to time the facewatch (I'm using the one with the digital hour in the center and analog minutes, I think it's called "digitalog" ) switches a few pixels to the right or to the left. My guess is it is to prevent burn in, I know most plasma TVs do that too.
- I had a Galaxy S2 for several years before switching to a Nexus 5, and yes, the toip of the screen where the notification bar usually is was burnt-in (or rather I think the whole screen was burnt except for this black bar). It was noticeable on full screen apps but never bothered me. Even if it happens on the Gear Live I can't see it bothering me... It's not like I'll be watching movies on it...
So my guess is you should be fine... But if you're really worried you can always disable "Always On".
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How is the battery though? Think you can get through a solid day with heavy notification flow? That's all I really care about.
BlueScreenJunky said:
- I think I noticed that from time to time the facewatch (I'm using the one with the digital hour in the center and analog minutes, I think it's called "digitalog" ) switches a few pixels to the right or to the left. My guess is it is to prevent burn in, I know most plasma TVs do that too.
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I have a Gear Live, and can confirm this is true. I've seen it on multiple watch faces.
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Except, you know, on the official Google page, and in the videos that I've seen, the screen also just times out to a low power, black and white screen (referring to the Gear Live). Super AMOLED is more power efficient in idle / dark screens due to the nature of individual pixel lightning, so I don't really understand what you mean by the Gear Live would burn out in a matter of hours (they should be relatively the same from what I can tell).
Always on = standby (i.e low brightness, dark screen). It does not mean full brightness, always coloured watch face. No way in hell. If that was the case, why would the displays time out in what appears to be 5-10 seconds?
Yeah.. I'm going to wait on conclusive battery testing before making my purchase. I've got like a week anyways, might as well.
Also, I'm legitimately concerned about screen burn in now, given the nature of AMOLED.
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I own a Gear Live and can confirm that it does indeed have an always on display (which can be toggled from settings) that dims to gray scale when not in use just like the G Watch.
At the same time I can also confirm that having my watch now just around 3 weeks has already showed some very minor signs of burn-in. Typically when in apps or settings. As I said though its very minor and not really noticeable unless you're looking for it. That said though it is there.
Also to clear up battery life the Gear Live can withstand 36hours of always on screen. While I typically charge my watch each night I have tested it and can get it to run from one morning through to the following night before the battery reaches 5%. This is with the Always-on display option enabled.
Are you guys leaving the screen on all night when you're sleeping? I know its not lit up all the way but like the dimmed version of the screen. Like I'm using the simple clock. You think its okay to leave that on all night? I'm thinking it'll be okay cause it'll gradually change over night so it's not technically sitting on one time for 7 hours.
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tu3218 said:
Are you guys leaving the screen on all night when you're sleeping? I know its not lit up all the way but like the dimmed version of the screen. Like I'm using the simple clock. You think its okay to leave that on all night? I'm thinking it'll be okay cause it'll gradually change over night so it's not technically sitting on one time for 7 hours.
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I am a little worried about burn in myself so I turn the device off at night when I charge it. Even though the pixels should shift with the default watch faces I just think it's a safer bet to power it off.

Burn in? Life span of p-oled always on?

I just got the amazing lg g watch r. Very satisfied with it. I am just trying some watch faces and i found this great one for example:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ddroid.aw.watchface.rf03
Very happy with it but I wonder....
How real is the danger for screen burn ins? This watch face has for example a green background in ambient mode. I keep the brightness as low as possible, but still readable (great thing of this watchface is that you can set the brightness of ambient and active mode as low or as high as you want) but still the oled screen will always be green..
Is this healthy for this kind of screen? Of course I can turn off the green background and have it black and white in ambient mode, but I like the effect of the screen being dimmed and going to brighter green when twisting my wrist.
But I don't want the screen to go to waste already after a while... anybody have a theory?
What is ambient mode? people keep mentioning it. This watch has no light sensor.
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What is ambient mode? people keep mentioning it. This watch has no light sensor.
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I mean the standby mode with dimmed screen. Not screen off.....
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If you want to use the "always on" feature w/o worries, green is the colour you want.
Greem OLED compund has 3 chracteristics that makes it the best choice:
- most visible light from the whole spectrum (for the human eye, that is): this mean you need a very low brighness level in order to see it (power and burn-in safe)
- the most power efficient sub-pixel (1.5 times as economic as red and 2.5 to 3 times ore econmic than blue).
- the most resilient (lowest degradation over time, twice compared to red and 4 times compared to blue).
So, if you like always-on display and you wnat the most out of your watch, green is the choice for AMOLED screens.
**** note: the numbers above are a synthesis from specialised web-sites as well as from my own measurements with OLED screens (Samsung models at least). ****
well, green is the "best" color to display on OLED screens - but black (=pixels are off) would be way better regarding burn-in and battery
It seems that the watchface you linked has a black mode with green font as well - use that one in ambient mode and you should be good
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well, green is the "best" color to display on OLED screens - but black (=pixels are off) would be way better regarding burn-in and battery
It seems that the watchface you linked has a black mode with green font as well - use that one in ambient mode and you should be good
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Yeah, this seems the safest option to me too. But the effect is not as nice of course when the screen becomes active. Colors get inverted when the screens goes bright. The effect is cooler when the dimmed green background goes bright, like you turn on the backlight
But I'll stick with the safe option for now, I just don't trust it
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I thought blue was the easiest to see, hence its used on police cars and ambulances.
Bring up Google now and ask this: "OK Google, what is the most visible colour to the human eye?"
See what it will answer and post here
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Bring up Google now and ask this: "OK Google, what is the most visible colour to the human eye?"
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Yellow
I was actually curious to see if anyone will search ... GJ.
What is yellow made of in RGB world (AMOLED is RGB)? : RED + GREEN.
What is closer to yellow (in terms of wavelenght), red or green? : GREEN ...
That why, the most visible pure colour of the RGB matrix is green ... which happens to be the most economical one to use. Double win
Sure would be nice if it had a proximity sensor, so it could turn off the screen when inside my sleeve. I figure that would pretty much solve the problem for me.
That would definitely be a plus ... but the question is: where to place such a sensor w/o breaking the design? Moto 360 solution is not on everyone's liking.
glenner05 said:
I just got the amazing lg g watch r. Very satisfied with it. I am just trying some watch faces and i found this great one for example:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.ddroid.aw.watchface.rf03
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I was liking this watch face, till I purchased and realized it has everything except the "current" temperature...
Where does gray fall on the color burn in scale?
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Active display while driving, walking, in pocket?

To my understanding the active display sensors use the accelerometer to judge when to turn on - I'm not talking about when it is 'breathing' after you have received and email/text/etc.
Its an awesome feature not having to go to the home screen to see this stuff. (Though when you do unlock the phone from active display you get a brief flash of the home screen - I wish it would skip it completely)
However, I'm not convinced it really does 'turn off' in my pocket since when I carry it in my hand and walk a few feet, it is constantly going on and off due to any motion. Same with inside my car. Any bumps, stops, acceleration, etc that causes the phone to jiggle even a little (usually its in a cup holder or something like that) lights up the display. I know the battery drain is supposed to be very small with it.
What are your thoughts on this? On one hand its an awesome feature that I don't want to turn off but wish it wasn't so quick to wake in the vehicle or presumably in your pocket. In any kind of city driving it will be constantly going on and off, on and off.
Also, does the active display count as screen on time? I read somewhere that its only reported under Android OS?
Try this:
Cover your sensors, wait couple of seconds move it (without uncovering them) and try to activate active display, it should not do anything.
Thats exactly what happens in your pocket (I THINK)
It's very touchy and I wish I could turn off the motion sensing just because the time flashing on and off is annoying. It barely uses battery though. Less than 1% according to my gsam stats on a full discharge
You can disable Moto Actions to stop the motion sensing.
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You can disable Moto Actions to stop the motion sensing.
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I'm pretty sure what you're talking about only disables the hand approach motion turning it on. (which is also annoying as of anything moves over your phone the screen turns on).
He is talking about movement of your phone turning display on which I believe is annoying too, perhaps more annoying than a hand motion to turn it on.
Opzon said:
I'm pretty sure what you're talking about only disables the hand approach motion turning it on. (which is also annoying as of anything moves over your phone the screen turns on).
He is talking about movement of your phone turning display on which I believe is annoying too, perhaps more annoying than a hand motion to turn it on.
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Your right. The movement sensor appears to be a part of Moto Display. When I disabled that, the screen no longer turned on with the phone movement.
I'd like to know if the motion thing can be disabled separately as well. I like being able to wave my hand over the motion sensor to activate the ambient display, but don't like that the thing comes on every time I accelerate in my truck.
The "proximity sensor" that turns the screen off when you hold the phone to your cheek during a phone call is supposed to disable to the Ambient display, so when the phone is in your pocket, or upside down on your truck car seat, the display shouldn't be coming on, or turning on from phone movement. Try it - cover up the top 1/4" of the phone (where the camera is etc), and then try and wake the phone - I can't get mine to do anything.
I have a cubby hole in my truck where the phone fits nicely and I can still see the screen face up. Sometimes while accelerating the ambient display comes on. That's what makes me think the ambient display acts on the accelerometer as well as the front facing motion sensor.
Yep the accelerometer is the issue. After reviewing battery logs since I've started using this phone I can see there isn't much drain from the time/black display lighting up all the time and it really doesn't seem to come on in the pocket unless you make sudden movements.
However any time there is acceleration or deceleration at a sharper rate and bumps in the road it lights up. Very annoying. Can't imagine how it is on long drives, etc. And it's stupid to just say "Oh turn it over" most people have their phone in a cup holder or some cubby on their vehicle.
Proximity sensor prevents the display from activating in your pocket, period. Move all you want, the display isn't activating
Display acfivates off movement uncovered as a feature anticipating you're picking up the device to look at it. Those activations are an extremely small fraction of battery usage, not nearly enough to affect you.
I find the sensor extremely annoying and I wish I could disable it. I have the phone next to my laptop and every time I move close to it the time lights up. Very poor design if they didn't anticipate the annoyance factor and no way for one to control it.
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I find the sensor extremely annoying and I wish I could disable it. I have the phone next to my laptop and every time I move close to it the time lights up. Very poor design if they didn't anticipate the annoyance factor and no way for one to control it.
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You can disable it. Why do you think you can't? Why don't you turn it off instead of complaining about it? While it's on, it's doing exactly what it's supposed to do. Personally, I keep it turned on, because I like it.
Turn off the "wave your hand" feature if you don't like it. Wave works from even from a foot away sometimes. Turn it off, and your phone won't light up when it senses movement.
In CM/LOS based ROMs you turn off the WAVE highlighted feature you see, in Quark Ambient Display:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
Just turn off the Wave. (This screenshot was for another post a long time ago, so do not turn off the other setting highlighted.)
Various custom ROMs (Lollipop, Marshmallow, Nougat) have that setting in different places. Usually it's in Gestures, but Settings has a "search" feature you can use if you don't see it immediately.
If you are not running a custom ROM and are still on stock, I assume that setting is still somewhere on stock Moto Display -- because in the periodic debates we have people insist Moto Display has the same level of control as Quark Ambient Display.
Doing a Google Search -- which is quite easy if you want to try it sometime -- I found two answers turning off Wave in Moto Display. See what works for you:
Go to Settings -> Moto -> Actions -> disable 'Approach for Moto Display'.
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Go to settings, accessibility, dexterity and interaction, air wake up. Your problem should now be fixed!
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Question Avoid keyboard burn-in

Hello all, my past 3 AMOLED phones have been facing burn-in where the keyboard is displayed as I tend to chat a lot! Can anyone give me an option to avoid it? Please don't troll and say use less keyboard!
Might help if you keep the brightness on the lower side, other than that seems like catch22
Also choose a darker theme for the keyboard.
Maddmatt said:
Also choose a darker theme for the keyboard.
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That's why it kept happening for me... The I turn it to light mode and then the burn in goes away!
Dark mode will help reduce it, but I leave my phone set to auto switch light and dark mode based on sunrise and sunset, this way whatever app I'm using also switches, so the light and dark apps, flip button colours as well so anything white on a black screen also becomes black on a white screen so it helps reverse any burnin in that sense too.
For example, texting apps usually also have white icons at the top which can burn in with dark mode, so if you switch to light mode, the same icons are now black on a white screen, so the screen burns but the icons don't, so it all slowly burns in together and nothing becomes noticeable.
Been doing this after getting burnin on my S10+ using only darkmode and light icons left burnin. And then on my S20 Ultra I did the flipping light and dark mode and never had issues but I also had the full screen settings to hide the pinhole camera so it made the entire top black, and then One UI 3.0 came out and they removed that option so now you can't hide the pinhole camera and I had a burnin bar across the top from where it was black lol.
Now on my S21 Ultra I have the light and dark mode set to flip at sun rise and sun set, and I can't hide the pin hole so maybe third phone is the charm here and I won't have any burnin at all this time haha.
Hope this helps.
There is no burn in with AMOLEDs; they have a finite lifespan and get dimmer as they age before finally failing after many 10's of thousands hours.
Don't over drive them by using them at maximum or near maximum levels.
High energy blue pixels are the most susceptible to damage, red the least because of its longer wavelength.
Use manual brightness control. Avoid going much over 50%.
Using full brightness reduces pixel lifespan as probably does high temperatures ie direct sunlight.
Limit usage at full brightness by the second*.
Using manual control ensures you're aware of it and keeps the phone from auto jacking it up on you when not really needed.
Turn it down in low light; don't burn out your retina's as they aren't replaceable.
Use dark mode whenever possible. Use dark or black wallpaper. You Good Lock to get rid of the stutus bar icons; simply use the pull down notification screen.
My 10+ gets heavy usage every day with a lot of keyboard time. At 15+ months there is no discernible weakness or dead pixels of any color at any brightness level.
*this is especially important with static images
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Dark mode will help reduce it, but I leave my phone set to auto switch light and dark mode based on sunrise and sunset, this way whatever app I'm using also switches, so the light and dark apps, flip button colours as well so anything white on a black screen also becomes black on a white screen so it helps reverse any burnin in that sense too.
For example, texting apps usually also have white icons at the top which can burn in with dark mode, so if you switch to light mode, the same icons are now black on a white screen, so the screen burns but the icons don't, so it all slowly burns in together and nothing becomes noticeable.
Been doing this after getting burnin on my S10+ using only darkmode and light icons left burnin. And then on my S20 Ultra I did the flipping light and dark mode and never had issues but I also had the full screen settings to hide the pinhole camera so it made the entire top black, and then One UI 3.0 came out and they removed that option so now you can't hide the pinhole camera and I had a burnin bar across the top from where it was black lol.
Now on my S21 Ultra I have the light and dark mode set to flip at sun rise and sun set, and I can't hide the pin hole so maybe third phone is the charm here and I won't have any burnin at all this time haha.
Hope this helps.
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you say you had burn in from keeping a black bar in the area where the pinhole was?
that doesnt make any sense. If it was black those pixels were off and there wouldnt be any burn in
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Get Gboard, And change it to a dark skin, I've never had any problems
sesnut said:
If it was black those pixels were off and there wouldnt be any burn in
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Reverse burn in, the screen area being used has a yellowish tone to it from being worn in over time, no matter how long the display is on, it's always burning in and the colour always adjusts over time from the burn in, it's the image retention burn in that people talk about, but the entire screen is always burning the entire time it's used. So by never using the top area the pixels are fresh and have a cooler tone to them than the rest of the screen as a result of this.
VICosPhi said:
Might help if you keep the brightness on the lower side, other than that seems like catch22
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Indeed. And to add, perhaps occasionally change from white to black keyboard to even things out.
This is a good one. Says something about fast charging and not showing this message again. Guess they forgot to check don’t show again.
No offence but:
Pay 1.2K for phone after you see super HDR, huge brightness etc. and then limit everything to minimum? Seriously?
If I see them, I will ask EE(my phone provider) to replace it. I had same issue with OP 7 Pro, screen burn ins, they have replaced phone.
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
No offence but:
Pay 1.2K for phone after you see super HDR, huge brightness etc. and then limit everything to minimum? Seriously?
If I see them, I will ask EE(my phone provider) to replace it. I had same issue with OP 7 Pro, screen burn ins, they have replaced phone.
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Some countries like the UK have better consumer laws than others.
Sukrith said:
Hello all, my past 3 AMOLED phones have been facing burn-in where the keyboard is displayed as I tend to chat a lot! Can anyone give me an option to avoid it? Please don't troll and say use less keyboard!
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From normal use there will be no burnin. However, if you keep your display on showing the keboard all the time it will burn in. Also pixels start to burn in once they are on
kpwnApps said:
From normal use there will be no burnin. However, if you keep your display on showing the keboard all the time it will burn in. Also pixels start to burn in once they are on
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Mate - I had burn ins on my screen from things like clock etc, you cannot get rid of them, and it is a design flown, as long there is nothing in instruction etc.
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
Mate - I had burn ins on my screen from things like clock etc, you cannot get rid of them, and it is a design flown, as long there is nothing in instruction etc.
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Samsung shifts the AOD clock to help prevent this. However I use only tap on AOD now.
Perps know the deal, organic LEDs have a finite lifespan. Yeah you can drive your car as fast as it will go but you probably don't because you know it wouldn't last very long.
You wonder why the price tag keeps going up?
Freebies are never free.
Using in direct sunlight or at 80+% is just asking for it. In most cases completely avoidable. One can at least limit the time of use at full brightness and not have a homescreen that looks like a Vegas billboard.
blackhawk said:
Samsung shifts the AOD clock to help prevent this. However I use only tap on AOD now.
Perps know the deal, organic LEDs have a finite lifespan. Yeah you can drive your car as fast as it will go but you probably don't because you know it wouldn't last very long.
You wonder why the price tag keeps going up?
Freebies are never free.
Using in direct sunlight or at 80+% is just asking for it. In most cases completely avoidable. One can at least limit the time of use at full brightness and not have a homescreen that looks like a Vegas billboard.
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So they should not sell them in countries like Spain etc as there is too much sun
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
So they should not sell them in countries like Spain etc as there is too much sun
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I live in Texas desert, the sun here is intense.
It burns out LED traffic lights all the time; OLEDs are far less tolerant.
Simply use in the shade.
The individual pixels are microscopic. That they work at all is amazing let alone being capable of high lumen output with extremely excellent color/gamma rendering.
The AMOLED matrix has 10's of thousands of active solid state components not just the OLED pixels themselves. All are hest sensitive plus the fact the display is helping to dissipate mobo heat while producing heat of it's own. The most heat sensitive component, the OLED is smack on top of this glass heatsink*.
Direct sunlight in especially high ambient temperatures is a real bad plan. You can fry any display like this.
Know, understand and respect their limitations. You will be rewarded with a long lived gorgeous display.
*glass is a good thermal insulator. Do tempered glass protective screens increase the thermal burden? Most likely. If cool at first the added mass will be protective but once the device (or the sun) heats that mass up things will go down hill from there and the display temperature will rapidly climb.
joloxx9joloxx9 said:
So they should not sell them in countries like Spain etc as there is too much sun
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Common sense should prevail I guess. I live in a place hotter than Spain. If I were to use my device in the middle of the day in bright sun light it’ll cook after 15mins. Hence why I don’t. But then would any other device.
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I live in Texas desert, the sun here is intense.
It burns out LED traffic lights all the time; OLEDs are far less tolerant.
Simply use in the shade.
The individual pixels are microscopic. That they work at all is amazing let alone being capable of high lumen output with extremely excellent color/gamma rendering.
The AMOLED matrix has 10's of thousands of active solid state components not just the OLED pixels themselves. All are hest sensitive plus the fact the display is helping to dissipate mobo heat while producing heat of it's own. The most heat sensitive component, the OLED is smack on top of this glass heatsink*.
Direct sunlight in especially high ambient temperatures is a real bad plan. You can fry any display like this.
Know, understand and respect their limitations. You will be rewarded with a long lived gorgeous display.
*glass is a good thermal insulator. Do tempered glass protective screens increase the thermal burden? Most likely. If cool at first the added mass will be protective but once the device (or the sun) heats that mass up things will go down hill from there and the display temperature will rapidly climb.
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And this was me think you lived in the Mojave desert.

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