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Using both CAMERAS at the same time

I saw a topic from P9 forum where folks discused the question- wether the phone actually uses both camera sensors at the same time... How is this with our p10? I tried to take some close-up shots with BW covered/ normaly- and there is 0 difference- same quality, size etc...
- Only case when I see actually both cameras working hard at the SAME TIME is when using bokeh mode.
BUT WAIT A SECOND. Huawei states that colour sensor is only 12MP ok, but how on the earth it came down that I was able to take 20MP pictures with BW covered???
Sooo, have you discovered something about this? I will try to take some far away landscapes tomorow and see if something changes then...

A Long time ago i think about the Same
How my P10 can take color pics in 20mp when it just have a 12mp sensor

StonyD said:
A Long time ago i think about the Same
How my P10 can take color pics in 20mp when it just have a 12mp sensor
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It would be logical, if phone used both sensors at thr same time- buy using BW details combined with colours from 12MP. BUT i tried several times to cover that BW sensor and camera doesnt give a deamn, it takes 20MP colour pics anyway...

I read something about this months ago.
The camera uses both sensors in 20MP and HDR mode.
When you make a 20MP color picture, it makes a 20MP b/w picture and a 12MP color picture as stretched overlay.
With the good b/w contrast it looks really good even the color sensor has only 12MP.
This is also the reason why you can't use optical zoom in 20MP mode.
The zoom works with the b/w sensor, so it's not really optical zoom but "enhanced digital zoom".

[Camera] Is it just me .....whats your settings?

Ok coming from Samsung , HTC, Asus and iPhone (I know I here you gasp)
I pretty much use my rear camera alot for work purposes, no selfies
Mostly its point and shoot I do and I know the camera on these are for ppl getting the right shot manually due to the settings
Have tried apps on this phone Like :
Camera FV-5 (same kind of results)
Open Camera (which seems to stay active in the background)
Now heres my question if you quickly take a photo, point and shoot (focusing first) using highest resolution
Once you zoom into the taken picture, its all grainy even if its took about 3-4 feet away from you
Now, if you take the same picture with monochrome its a better pic and if focusing on say a bottle with writing
Its more visible to read compared to the colour as the colour looks like its a water painting
Are you guys getting the same results or know preferred settings to use?
Thanks

Try to set the resolution to 12mp to enable the 2x "optical" zoom.
The color sensor is only a 12mp one, the monochrome sensor has 20mp.
If you enable 20mp in settings, the camera will make a monochrome and color photo and merge them into one. This is also the reason why the 20mp photos are a bit blurry or too bright on edges.
So, use 12mp and the grain should be mostly gone.
Here are three shots by me:
https://imgur.com/a/BYf7kIX - played with focus, no aperture feature.
https://imgur.com/a/xA2qURk - just a free hand picture in 12mp without zoom
https://imgur.com/a/RbEdeiI - and the same with 2x optical zoom.

Jannomag said:
Try to set the resolution to 12mp to enable the 2x "optical" zoom.
The color sensor is only a 12mp one, the monochrome sensor has 20mp.
If you enable 20mp in settings, the camera will make a monochrome and color photo and merge them into one. This is also the reason why the 20mp photos are a bit blurry or too bright on edges.
So, use 12mp and the grain should be mostly gone.
Here are three shots by me:
https://imgur.com/a/BYf7kIX - played with focus, no aperture feature.
https://imgur.com/a/xA2qURk - just a free hand picture in 12mp without zoom
https://imgur.com/a/RbEdeiI - and the same with 2x optical zoom.
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Thanks for comments
Is this with stock camera? stock rom?
as My pics are no where near as good as this on 8.0.0.379(C02)

EwOkie said:
Thanks for comments
Is this with stock camera? stock rom?
as My pics are no where near as good as this on 8.0.0.379(C02)
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Everything stock, 8.0.0.370 on VTR-L29C432, stock EMUI camera.
Can you show some examples?

Desk is about 4-5 feet away from me when taking these shots
Sunny outside
Just normal photo and putting focus on the bottles as shown (seen in zoomed photo)
You can clearly see they look terrible apart from monochrome
No settings have been touched apart from resolution
Zoom is about 4.6x
Monochrome
12MP
20MP
Zoomed in
I put some crap on the desk but if you can see the text is visible on some stuff to give you an idea

General [CLOSED]GCam 16MP, 64MP and Raw compared

I downloaded the Wichaya_V1.4 GCam on my Zenphone 8 and found that it can record 64MP jpegs as well as the normal 16MP and Raw file options.
I did a quick test to compare the quality and usability of each version: I took a simple shot that included highlight, shadow, fine detail and strong/subtle colours. The attached screen-grabs are from a small central area of the picture.
The storage size of the shots are 1.8MB. 6.2MB and 13.7MB respectively, so the Raw file is over 7x the size of the smaller jpeg. All details are shown at the same size so the quality and sharpness can be compared.
I found that the 64MP jpeg was both softer and grainier than the normal 16MP file. I sharpened it a little but I don’t think it offers any advantage over the smaller file because of the graininess. If you want a more retro film grain look this could be an advantage.
Straight from the camera the Raw/Dng file is very flat and requires post processing to get it into shape. It’s a 16MP file that contains far more information than the jpeg that’s recorded with it. I opened it in a Capture One (Lightroom or Affinity Photo, etc could be used) and spent time adjusting parameters to get what I considered to be the best version of the shot. There may be smartphone apps that could be used, but I prefer to do this on my laptop.
The outcome is that I will continue to shoot most pictures as normal 16MP jpegs but whenever there is something very special that I wish to capture I’ll switch to Raw + Jpeg mode. This gives me the regular Jpeg for reference and a Raw file to process later when I want to create the best quality of picture from the GCam.

Thank you for your review. Can you add 64MP RAW and process it? It should give some extra details.

Dave.a said:
Thank you for your review. Can you add 64MP RAW and process it? It should give some extra details.
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A 64MP Raw option would be interesting and theoretically lead to higher quality results after post processing. Best to make a request to the developer, Wichaya.

I'm interested in getting the Zenfone 8. Does OpenCamera shoot in 64mp? I'd love to see some examples!

ActiveWave said:
I'm interested in getting the Zenfone 8. Does OpenCamera shoot in 64mp? I'd love to see some examples!
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I don't know if Open camera can record 64MP images as this is not mentioned on its website, but it's free to download and worth trying out. In a previous post I compared the GCam, Asus camera and Open camera night shots. The Open camera gave poor results so I personally would not use it as the quality of low light shots is important to me.

Tom100% said:
I downloaded the Wichaya_V1.4 GCam on my Zenphone 8 and found that it can record 64MP jpegs as well as the normal 16MP and Raw file options.
I did a quick test to compare the quality and usability of each version: I took a simple shot that included highlight, shadow, fine detail and strong/subtle colours. The attached screen-grabs are from a small central area of the picture.
The storage size of the shots are 1.8MB. 6.2MB and 13.7MB respectively, so the Raw file is over 7x the size of the smaller jpeg. All details are shown at the same size so the quality and sharpness can be compared.
I found that the 64MP jpeg was both softer and grainier than the normal 16MP file. I sharpened it a little but I don’t think it offers any advantage over the smaller file because of the graininess. If you want a more retro film grain look this could be an advantage.
Straight from the camera the Raw/Dng file is very flat and requires post processing to get it into shape. It’s a 16MP file that contains far more information than the jpeg that’s recorded with it. I opened it in a Capture One (Lightroom or Affinity Photo, etc could be used) and spent time adjusting parameters to get what I considered to be the best version of the shot. There may be smartphone apps that could be used, but I prefer to do this on my laptop.
The outcome is that I will continue to shoot most pictures as normal 16MP jpegs but whenever there is something very special that I wish to capture I’ll switch to Raw + Jpeg mode. This gives me the regular Jpeg for reference and a Raw file to process later when I want to create the best quality of picture from the GCam.
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How were u able to change the resolution ,I can't seem to find it in the (wichaya) settings

xXeqiunoxXx said:
How were u able to change the resolution ,I can't seem to find it in the (wichaya) settings
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Switch to 64MP mode in the GCam interface, not in the Wichaya settings. See Screenshot,

Question Zoom in 108mp camera

Hello,
I want to know is there any mod/app etc which can be used to zoom in while taking photos from 108mp camera?

The default Miui camera allows zooming up to 2x in 108 MP mode.
Though bear in mind it's more or less pointless to use zoom in 108 MP mode, since all it does is just crop and upscale the image, you're not getting any improvement in quality.

General [CLOSED]Asus stock camera notes...

I have made a few posts about the Asus camera and became familiar with some of its less obvious details and features. Here’s some notes that apply mainly to daylight shots. I’ll make a separate post about night shots.
Asus 64MP Jpegs
You can take a 64MP Jpeg picture in one of three ways;
The normal camera’s “4:3 (64MP)”
The Pro camera’s “4:3 (64MP)”
And the Pro camera’s “RAW+JPG” settings
HDR processing is not used on the 64MP Jpegs so they are not suitable for general photography as they can lack detail in the highlights and shadows.
You might find a use for the normal camera’s 64MP Jpeg if you ever need the highest resolution Jpeg of a subject with limited dynamic range as it is slightly sharper than the normal camera’s 16MP HDR Jpeg.
I’d avoid ever using either of the Pro camera’s 64MP Jpegs - they are a lot more noisier than the normal camera’s 64MP Jpeg.
Asus Smaller Resolution Jpegs
All of the 16MP(and smaller sized) Jpegs have HDR processing and so will make better looking pictures than the 64MP Jpegs, especially for general subjects. They also have smaller file sizes than the 64MP pictures.
Asus Raw Files
Use the Pro camera’s “RAW+JPG” setting to record a 64MP DNG file if you want to make the very highest quality shots. I transfer the DNGs to my laptop and edit then in a Raw file editor, Capture One. Other Raw editors, such as Lightroom and Affinity Photo, etc, can be used. The noisy 64MP Jpeg that is recorded alongside the Raw file can be discarded.
Raw files are the best option to use if you want to produce the highest quality shot from a mobile phone. Jpeg files can be edited afterwards too, but Raw files contain lots more digital data than Jpegs and are more suited to post production. I use the Asus normal camera HDR Jpegs for general photography, but for special shots use either the Asus 64MP Raw or the the Wichaya GCam Raw files and edit them afterwards.
The final look of an edited Raw file depends on your skill, experience and preferences. But the edited 64MP (9168x6872 pixels) Asus Raw beats the 16MP (4560x3416 pixels) Wichaya GCam Raw, as it is definitely sharper and more finely detailed.
However you won’t see much difference between these two edited Raw files unless you view them alongside each other at the same viewing size - i.e. Asus at 100%, Wichita at 200%. So for general purposes either and be used. (See attached screenshot)
Although the Asus Raw is sharper it is also grainier, especially in smoother, less detailed areas - but sharp detail is more important than visible grain if you ever need to make large prints.
Asus camera fast startup
You can open the Asus camera from the lock screen without entering a pin code or unlocking the phone. At the bottom right corner of the lock screen is a small symbol - swipe it up to open the Asus camera without unlocking the phone.
Gallery app Raw file previews
When you open a Raw file in an editor app it has almost no color, the highlights are white and shadows are black. The camera’s gallery app shows you a preview of how it looks as a Jpeg.
Asus camera vs Wichaya GCam
All of my previous tests have shown the Asus stock camera produces better looking pictures than the Wichaya Gcam, at least in my opinion. They are punchier, better exposed and have a more accurate white balance. They are, however, generally over-sharpened and highlights are over-smoothed. When enlarged they look flatter and less natural that the Wichaya GCam shots.
Unfortunately the Asus camera allows no control over sharpness, highlights and shadow detail, HDR intensity, etc. Wichaya’s GCam Ram Patcher settings let you adjust many parameters but so far I have not been able to alter them to look as good as the Asus camera. I look forward to the Wichays’s next GCam version and hope to have more success.
If you have used a different GCam APK that produces better results than the Asus camera please share your findings, preferable with comparison pictures - I’m sure Zenfone 8 users would be interested.

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