Google Pixel 4/XL 256GB & Snapdragon 855+ 5G model options would be fantastic!
128GB option has been around since Pixel 1 it's time for more memory options please....
Apple has 512GB models available and Samsung has 1TB models +MicroSD 512GB on top so yeah Google it's time for 256GB+ memory options!
And use the fastest Qualcomm Snapdragon 855+
Anyone here anything on either?
128GB, 855 or 855+ and at least 6GB RAM would be an easy buy
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sounds like you guys are dreaming. google would never lol
alher591 said:
sounds like you guys are dreaming. google would never lol
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Hahahaha you mean no 855, 6GB RAM or 128GB storage? Come on now[emoji1787]
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Tribulation St said:
Google Pixel 4/XL 256GB & Snapdragon 855+ 5G model options would be fantastic!
128GB option has been around since Pixel 1 it's time for more memory options please....
Apple has 512GB models available and Samsung has 1TB models +MicroSD 512GB on top so yeah Google it's time for 256GB+ memory options!
And use the fastest Qualcomm Snapdragon 855+
Anyone here anything on either?
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It's Pixel, so be logical.
So, think of:
- Soli radar chip(surely)with unmatched gestures.(Hoping with assurance).
- 64GB, 128 GB storage. UFS 2.1, UFS 3.0 if we are super lucky.
- 6 GB RAM, LPDDR4.
- SD 855, not 855+.
- Triple camera setup with outstanding performance.
- No eye catchy design, but would be acceptable.
- Less than ideal battery size. (also, not to forget Soli will occupy space).
- Acceptable size and weight unlike many, many other.
- QHD+ resolution.
- 90Hz refresh rate(might he 60 too, if at all it becomes 90, it'll further dent on batterylife, and NO, battery size won't be bigger just for the sake of it).
- Some software bugs right outta box.
- Average charging speed, with about 18W.
- Weirdest naming for all colors.
- Outrageous pricing in some countries.
........etc.
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It's Pixel, so be logical.
So, think of:
- Soli radar chip(surely)with unmatched gestures.(Hoping with assurance).
- 64GB, 128 GB storage. UFS 2.1, UFS 3.0 if we are super lucky.
- 6 GB RAM, LPDDR4.
- SD 855, not 855+.
- Triple camera setup with outstanding performance.
- No eye catchy design, but would be acceptable.
- Less than ideal battery size. (also, not to forget Soli will occupy space).
- Acceptable size and weight unlike many, many other.
- QHD+ resolution.
- 90Hz refresh rate(might he 60 too, if at all it becomes 90, it'll further dent on batterylife, and NO, battery size won't be bigger just for the sake of it).
- Some software bugs right outta box.
- Average charging speed, with about 18W.
- Weirdest naming for all colors.
- Outrageous pricing in some countries.
........etc.
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Very accurate
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Pixel 4 OR Pixel 4 a
Virgo_Guy said:
It's Pixel, so be logical.
So, think of:
- Soli radar chip(surely)with unmatched gestures.(Hoping with assurance).
- 64GB, 128 GB storage. UFS 2.1, UFS 3.0 if we are super lucky.
- 6 GB RAM, LPDDR4.
- SD 855, not 855+.
- Triple camera setup with outstanding performance.
- No eye catchy design, but would be acceptable.
- Less than ideal battery size. (also, not to forget Soli will occupy space).
- Acceptable size and weight unlike many, many other.
- QHD+ resolution.
- 90Hz refresh rate(might he 60 too, if at all it becomes 90, it'll further dent on batterylife, and NO, battery size won't be bigger just for the sake of it).
- Some software bugs right outta box.
- Average charging speed, with about 18W.
- Weirdest naming for all colors.
- Outrageous pricing in some countries.
........etc.
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You're specs feel very on the light side.... Would be OK if you're talking about Google Pixel 4a would make sense!
So same storage for 4 years in a row.... Same old 18w charging for 4 years in a row.... Very sad...... No reason not to have an 256GB option and have 45w charging technology late 2019.
Updated Snapdragon 855+ should be minimal on Pixel 4/XL as they did with Pixel 1 used the updated Snapdragon 821 must remind you.
I personally you want less specs then you should wait for Pixel 4a..... That's the hole point of the 4a series.
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You're specs feel very on the light side.... Would be OK if you're talking about Google Pixel 4a would make sense!
So same storage for 4 years in a row.... Same old 18w charging for 4 years in a row.... Very sad...... No reason not to have an 256GB option and have 45w charging technology late 2019.
Updated Snapdragon 855+ should be minimal on Pixel 4/XL as they did with Pixel 1 used the updated Snapdragon 821 must remind you.
I personally you want less specs then you should wait for Pixel 4a..... That's the hole point of the 4a series.
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I'm not "expecting" less, I'm talking about what Google does historically. Hardware specs-wise, it's better to keep expectation "little low" - is my whole point and I'm talking 'bout pixel 4/4XL only.
Yeah, never go short on Google's ability to find a way to underwhelm.
Virgo_Guy said:
It's Pixel, so be logical.
So, think of:
- Soli radar chip(surely)with unmatched gestures.(Hoping with assurance).
- 64GB, 128 GB storage. UFS 2.1, UFS 3.0 if we are super lucky.
- 6 GB RAM, LPDDR4.
- SD 855, not 855+.
- Triple camera setup with outstanding performance.
- No eye catchy design, but would be acceptable.
- Less than ideal battery size. (also, not to forget Soli will occupy space).
- Acceptable size and weight unlike many, many other.
- QHD+ resolution.
- 90Hz refresh rate(might he 60 too, if at all it becomes 90, it'll further dent on batterylife, and NO, battery size won't be bigger just for the sake of it).
- Some software bugs right outta box.
- Average charging speed, with about 18W.
- Weirdest naming for all colors.
- Outrageous pricing in some countries.
........etc.
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Pretty much all of the specs have been confirmed. The Pixel 4 XL will have a 3700mAh battery. The Pixel 4 will have a 2800mAh battery. Both will have a 90hz screen screen so basically crappy battery life. There will only be two cameras. The regular and a telephoto. Both are going to be very big. Even the "small" one will be huge. But that's typical these days.
I haven't seen any info on storage type.
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Pretty much all of the specs have been confirmed. The Pixel 4 XL will have a 3700mAh battery. The Pixel 4 will have a 2800mAh battery. Both will have a 90hz screen screen so basically crappy battery life. There will only be two cameras. The regular and a telephoto. Both are going to be very big. Even the "small" one will be huge. But that's typical these days.
I haven't seen any info on storage type.
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Yeah, between soli and the 90hz, the battery should've been a bit bigger. But if it gets through a day, that's all that matters to me. I'm more interested in knowing if it will have UFS 3.0. Internal storage is a thing of the past, thanks to cloud services, so 128gb will be enough for me.
At one point back in the Nexus days I recall Google had the position that 4 hours of screen on was enough for almost all to get through the day and virtually everyone charged daily no matter what level of charge remained. That was then their target goal and probably still is based on their continued arrival at around that level. For me that really is enough charge and yes I do charge every day even with phones that will go longer since it's convenient to charge overnight. I'm a lot more worried about it reopening apps that shouldn't have been dropped out of memory due to lack of the same and GUI redraws when going to the main menu, that sort of thing.
They had also been working on a tech that allowed on the fly refresh rate changes. This would allow for the phone to go to 90 when you wake it up in front of an expected flick through the GUI, while playing a game, etc. The rest of the time when the phone is steady state such as watching a video it can drop back down to 60 to save battery. I'm in no way am saying that this tech is in the upcoming Pix as I've read nothing of the kind. Just saying I know they were working on dynamic refresh and to me that opens up the possibility that it could be in play on this phone until we learn otherwise.
This seems to be the Pixel 4 or 4XL with a new "leaked video".
Yep, they have found reference to the 90 hz refresh in 10 (Q) that specifically points to this device. Also that the refresh is dynamic as I described above; it seems it will have an indicator that tells you what refresh is active and in developer options there will be (could be) some controls for it.
I'm so getting this phone, it's about as done as a deal can get.
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Yeah, between soli and the 90hz, the battery should've been a bit bigger. But if it gets through a day, that's all that matters to me. I'm more interested in knowing if it will have UFS 3.0. Internal storage is a thing of the past, thanks to cloud services, so 128gb will be enough for me.
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A 3700mAh battery is too small even for a phone without Soli and just a 60hz screen. With Soli and a 90hz screen the battery doesn't need to be "a bit bigger" it needs to be MUCH bigger. Like 20% bigger. The Pixel 4 XL really needs a 4500mAh battery.
Getting through a day depends on what you are doing. My Pixel 2 XL, even when it was new, struggled to get through a full day on heavy use days (about 20% of my usage). With a 90hz screen and the Soli chip with a battery that is only 5% bigger than the Pixel 2 XL the battery life of the Pixel 4 XL will likely be worse than the battery life of the Pixel 2 XL which already wasn't great.
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A 3700mAh battery is too small even for a phone without Soli and just a 60hz screen. With Soli and a 90hz screen the battery doesn't need to be "a bit bigger" it needs to be MUCH bigger. Like 20% bigger. The Pixel 4 XL really needs a 4500mAh battery.
Getting through a day depends on what you are doing. My Pixel 2 XL, even when it was new, struggled to get through a full day on heavy use days (about 20% of my usage). With a 90hz screen and the Soli chip with a battery that is only 5% bigger than the Pixel 2 XL the battery life of the Pixel 4 XL will likely be worse than the battery life of the Pixel 2 XL which already wasn't great.
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Google for some reason hasn't learnt how to accommodate bigger batteries.
ZeroKool76 said:
Yeah, between soli and the 90hz, the battery should've been a bit bigger. But if it gets through a day, that's all that matters to me. I'm more interested in knowing if it will have UFS 3.0. Internal storage is a thing of the past, thanks to cloud services, so 128gb will be enough for me.
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People were talking the same nonsense about clouds when Nokia released the 1020 with only 32gb and it was called out as BS and proved to be BS.
Especially now when Google and others are data mining.
Fujimens said:
People were talking the same nonsense about clouds when Nokia released the 1020 with only 32gb and it was called out as BS and proved to be BS.
Especially now when Google and others are data mining.
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No clue what you're talking about, dude. What "nonsense"? My cloud is device side encrypted. Google isn't mining sheit from me
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jimv1983 said:
A 3700mAh battery is too small even for a phone without Soli and just a 60hz screen. With Soli and a 90hz screen the battery doesn't need to be "a bit bigger" it needs to be MUCH bigger. Like 20% bigger. The Pixel 4 XL really needs a 4500mAh battery.
Getting through a day depends on what you are doing. My Pixel 2 XL, even when it was new, struggled to get through a full day on heavy use days (about 20% of my usage). With a 90hz screen and the Soli chip with a battery that is only 5% bigger than the Pixel 2 XL the battery life of the Pixel 4 XL will likely be worse than the battery life of the Pixel 2 XL which already wasn't great.
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Well, I work, so it's not like I would be sitting in an emo lounge or something, staring at my phone. And I plan on getting the wireless dock for next to my bed. So it will sit on that at home. If I can get 4-5 hrs in-between that, I'm good. I'm more of an idle kind of person, not so concerned about screen on time, as a charger usually isn't far away if needed. But, I agree with what you're saying about the tech. I've been having the same concern, myself. Also, the facial ID will probably hit the battery a bit as well.
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Well, I work, so it's not like I would be sitting in an emo lounge or something, staring at my phone. And I plan on getting the wireless dock for next to my bed. So it will sit on that at home. If I can get 4-5 hrs in-between that, I'm good. I'm more of an idle kind of person, not so concerned about screen on time, as a charger usually isn't far away if needed. But, I agree with what you're saying about the tech. I've been having the same concern, myself. Also, the facial ID will probably hit the battery a bit as well.
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I actually mostly agree with you. I'm in the same position as you about 80-90% of the time. At work I don't have time to constantly be on my phone even if I wanted to and I have a charger at my desk. Battery life isn't a problem in that case.
It's the other 10-20% of the time that's the problem. In that other 10-20% of the time I could be using my phone heavily taking pictures/video, playing music over Bluetooth, using LTE all day, having to make the screen brighter when outside, using location, watching video, long phone calls, etc. Pretty much any phone can handle the 80% easily. I want a phone with battery life that can hold up to that other 10-20% of usage. And be able to still do it well after a year of owning the phone. Very few phones (if any) can really handle that 10-20% of my usage.
Also, I don't know if you've ever had a phone with wireless charging before but my advice is to avoid it. It's terrible for the battery. Just my advice based on my own research and personal experience.
You can manually force to 60 hz if the leaks prove correct and I'd be surprised if Soli couldn't be disabled but haven't seen anything on it yet. I think it's a little early to worry about battery being worse than the previous Pixels because of them.
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I am wondering why anyone, who has a OP5 or OP5T would upgrade?
My OP5 with the 835 CPU and 128Gb ram works great. OK, a couple of foibles, but there is no guarentee that they are fixed in the new one.
A new one has a slightly faster processor, OIS on the camera and a larger screen. Is that sufficient to change?
I'm curious - it's not a financial issue (I'm not broke), but I would need persuading.
Alan
It doesn't make sense.
1. With the speed upgrade what can you do or achieve in those split seconds.
2. Are those extra inch of display worth the price.
3. No comments on camera. Definitely those too are going to suck.
Wait for 7, I'm going to.
alan sh said:
I am wondering why anyone, who has a OP5 or OP5T would upgrade?
My OP5 with the 835 CPU and 128Gb ram works great. OK, a couple of foibles, but there is no guarentee that they are fixed in the new one.
A new one has a slightly faster processor, OIS on the camera and a larger screen. Is that sufficient to change?
I'm curious - it's not a financial issue (I'm not broke), but I would need persuading.
Alan
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Why ask us? It's your money, buy it or don't buy it.
Well a few reasons. I'm coming from a 5 not a 5T, so this makes a difference.
1. I sell my current phone after a year to get maximum
value back. That keeps my or of pocket for a new phone
usually at $100-$150.
2. With free money through new car test drive rewards, I
have $220 in rewards added to my paypal account
making the $579 OnePlus 6 just $360. With the sale of my
OnePlus 5, I shouldn't have any money out of pocket and
may make$20 or $40
3. The processor and new band 71 support for TMobile is a
nice feature.
4. The camera is certainly better in comparison tests to the
pixel 2 and s9+. The 19% size increase of the camera pixel
and OIS make for much better low light photos and
video capture.
5. The screen is larger. Not a notch fan but it's smaller then
most and you can hide it. So if I don't like who cares it's
gone.
There may be a few other reason I'm missing but to me those are what stick out right now. Oh and with glass, better reception and 4x4 MIMO (Gigabit LTE)
Edit: I wasn't sure but just read that the 128gb and 256gb storage options will both have UFS 2.1. I previously thought it was just the 256gb storage option. That will be huge speed increase in storage.
If I were you, I wouldn't "upgrade" to the OnePlus 6, nothing new besides OIS, larger screen and new CPU. Just a waste of money
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If I were you, I wouldn't "upgrade" to the OnePlus 6, nothing new besides OIS, larger screen and new CPU. Just a waste of money
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Definitely disagree. 4x4 MIMO for Gigabit LTE, UFS 2.1 storage (OP5 eMMc is 400mbps and UFS 2.1 is 1.5gbps), OIS plus 19% larger pixels for better low light pics, band 71 for TMobile users, bigger screen and more power efficient SoC.
It may not be enough for you to upgrade but certainly not a waste.
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Definitely disagree. 4x4 MIMO for Gigabit LTE, UFS 2.1 storage (OP5 eMMc is 400mbps and UFS 2.1 is 1.5gbps), OIS plus 19% larger pixels for better low light pics, band 71 for TMobile users, bigger screen and more power efficient SoC.
It may not be enough for you to upgrade but certainly not a waste.
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OP5 has also UFS 2.1 storage.
I will wait for next Gen UFS 3 Smartphone.
Kallmeidroppe said:
OP5 has also UFS 2.1 storage.
I will wait for next Gen UFS 3 Smartphone.
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Ahh I stand corrected, thought it had eMMc. All good. The rest is correct and still more then enough to upgrade from the 5, maybe not the 5T though.
Buy OP6 if you want that notched and back-shattering experience.
Considering that there is a 99.9% chance the 6T will be released in November, I'll hold onto my €600 and see if anything actually worth while comes on it that justifies spending the money compared to the 6.
I wouldn't bother. True the processor (I hear) is 30% faster but you have to balance that with the highly not-durable all glass body (front and back) and the minimal improvements. Too much risk to justify buying a new one.
Now that I think about it, there actually is one big improvement - project Treble.
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Now that I think about it, there actually is one big improvement - project Treble.
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Not a huge improvement, actually.
OnePlus dev community is one of the best and the 5 and 5t should receive many Android upgrades after OnePlus discontinues their support.
Also, with the latest OpenBetas, they've made changes to the partitions and the Camera Hal. Everything points to future Treble support for the 5 and 5t: https://forum.xda-developers.com/pr...opment/discussion-guide-oneplus-5-5t-t3776358
Cuz why not?
imo you should wait for 6T to release. People always buy non-T phones and get nervous after few months when OnePlus releases an upgraded version for the same price.
The reason why I would not move to OP6 from OP5 (no T)
- fingerprint on back (as also OP5T) is to me the biggest problem, considering I'm keeping the most of the time the phone on a desk
- camera: it's from OP3 they are saying it way better than before... but nothing (of few) has changed. If you buy OP, Camera it's not your nr 1 need
- is way bigger than a OP5 (of course, also OP5T)
- price !!
Here some reason why I would move:
- bigger screen (even if that notch...)
- 256GB possibility (but what a price !)
- Support to LTE Cat 13 and the 2x2 MIMO WiFi
Honestly I will stay on 5 until 6T and then let's see (if the will use fingerprint below screen)
I have been a pretty progressive one+ buyer. Daughter has one+3, wife has 1+3plus and I have the 5. Of course we've sold couple of oneplusone's and x. Since the 3 came out, everyone has been super satisfied with our devices. No root/custom ROM was required. Why do I upgrade? Because that's what our family do. It has definitely helped with keeping the cost down and everyone happy. I'm pretty sure other than cosmetics, not too much difference will be noticeable with 6. All of our one+ devices are in great working condition and still fast! Can't really tell the phones apart from the other. I try to upgrade every year. So does everyone in the family.
Basically , only because i have 64GB and to upgrade to 128 or 256
Just wait for T version, buying this mobile if you have oneplus 5 is pointless, even with T could be still pointless, it is just smartphone and almost exactly as previous one. Bigger screen is not 'life changer'
bullooka said:
It doesn't make sense.
1. With the speed upgrade what can you do or achieve in those split seconds.
2. Are those extra inch of display worth the price.
3. No comments on camera. Definitely those too are going to suck.
Wait for 7, I'm going to.
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Good points. It is pointless to upgrade to OP6 as there is no amazing feature that stands out.
It seems quite a few people in this 6T group also own the Pixel 3 or 3XL. Other than the lower price of the 6T and the better camera of the Pixel. Which one do you all think is the better phone all around and why?
The reason I ask is that BestBuy will be offering $200 off the Pixel 3/3 XL during Black Friday which would put the Pixel price in line (close enough) with the 6T. With that being said, which phone would you buy for around the same price?
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It seems quite a few people in this 6T group also own the Pixel 3 or 3XL. Other than the lower price of the 6T and the better camera of the Pixel. Which one do you all think is the better phone all around and why?
The reason I ask is that BestBuy will be offering $200 off the Pixel 3/3 XL during Black Friday which would put the Pixel price in line (close enough) with the 6T. With that being said, which phone would you buy for around the same price?
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I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
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I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
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What about battery life between the two, that is worrying me about the 3 or 3XL. The 6T seems to have respectable battery life, while the Pixel seems to struggle in that category.
Also, you stated performance on both of them is basically the same. That is another worry for me in regard to the Pixel, as it seems the 6T blows out the Pixel in raw numbers when the review sites do tests, does that translate to day-to-day usage?
Do you find the 4GB in the Pixel lags behind the 8GB in the 6T?
Are you using both phones on the same carrier? If so, how is the reception/signal strength between the two?
If you would pick the Pixel as you wrote, then why are you using your OnePlus as your daily?
bp328i said:
I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
Agreed and don't think 4gb will be an issue for normal users. I do believe OP will always hold more in memory.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
Again agree it's a world of difference but having a ported camera from Pixel helps and for me solves the issue.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
I don't hate the notch on the pixel unless I watch full screen YouTube or something. 6t is not intrusive ever for me. That said I prefer the notch there then having Nacho.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
Disagree slightly overall because of the memory issue the pixel feels and acts faster when switching apps etc. I had to trlurn off adaptive battery so that pixel runs smooth at all otherwise it would refresh screen all the time. Haptic feedback is really nice in pixel.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
I returned the pixel and kept OP.
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Battery on OP WAY better then xl too. Screen better on pixel...feel and build I prefer the pixel too. Not that there is anything wrong with OP just the pixel is nice. I hate not having wireless charging and proprietary charging but the charging is soooo fast. Day to day speed is or will be the same on both imo once Google fixes ram issue. Whatever frustrations I have with OP5t that made me go to pixel 2 xl are now gone on the 6t and the software changes op made are very nice that and their guesture makes it feel like true full screen phone just looks like next gen.
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What about battery life between the two, that is worrying me about the 3 or 3XL. The 6T seems to have respectable battery life, while the Pixel seems to struggle in that category.
Also, you stated performance on both of them is basically the same. That is another worry for me in regard to the Pixel, as it seems the 6T blows out the Pixel in raw numbers when the review sites do tests, does that translate to day-to-day usage?
Do you find the 4GB in the Pixel lags behind the 8GB in the 6T?
I have Verizon, which carrier do you have? If Verizon, how is the reception/signal strength between the two?
If you would pick the Pixel as you wrote, then why are you using your OnePlus as your daily?
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I get all day battery life on both phones, I would have to say the OnePlus is a little bit better on battery life but I've never had to look for a plug while using my Pixel.
The reason why review sites are showing that the OnePlus numbers are beating the Pixel is because Google underclocked the Snapdragon 845, a custom kernel will fix that. It really does not translate in day-to-day use. The Pixel is as smooth of a phone as you are going to find.
I personally don't think the 4 gigs of RAM are going to make that much of a difference once Google fixes the RAM management problem.
T-Mobile here.
I said if I could only buy one. I will switch between phones weekly because I get bored. I used my Pixel for about 2 weeks and now I'm using my OnePlus.
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Battery on OP WAY better then xl too. Screen better on pixel...feel and build I prefer the pixel too. Not that there is anything wrong with OP just the pixel is nice. I hate not having wireless charging and proprietary charging but the charging is soooo fast. Day to day speed is or will be the same on both imo once Google fixes ram issue.
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bp328i said:
I get all day battery life on both phones, I would have to say the OnePlus is a little bit better on battery life but I've never had to look for a plug while using my Pixel.
The reason why review sites are showing that the OnePlus numbers are beating the Pixel is because Google underclocked the Snapdragon 845, a custom kernel will fix that. It really does not translate in day-to-day use. The Pixel is as smooth of a phone as you are going to find.
I personally don't think the 4 gigs of RAM are going to make that much of a difference once Google fixes the RAM management problem.
T-Mobile here.
I said if I could only buy one. I will switch between phones weekly because I get bored. I used my Pixel for about 2 weeks and now I'm using my OnePlus.
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Do you use both on T-Mobile? Can you let me know how the signal strength/reception is on both phones?
The two big cons...
You get used to the notch they say, and I did. What I didn't get used to was the incredible waste of space to either side of it. They could have stacked two full rows of notifications in there and it would fit, not sort of fit, fit. As it is that space is wasted and I kept seeing that and in turn that would make me "see" or notice the notch. I'd seriously fire whoever made the choices on the notification area because it doesn't end there. unlike here and elsewhere if you decide to hide the notch it pushes the notifications down into the screen below the notch giving you a huge empty forehead and the screen that remains is actually less than the 5T, seriously, I had them side by side and actual usable screen is less with the notch hidden. Go back visible notch and you get to see all that wasted space again, for me there was no win. Also if you watch a video the 6T notch is like a pimple on your own nose and soon forgotten, do it on the Pixel and it's a huge pimple on your bosses nose that you have to actively try and pretend isn't there. Will you be the same? Some say yes, some say no, for me it was a definite no.
Then you have the ram management or lack of ram, I'm not going to argue over which it is and don't care. Going into recents pretty much meant waiting for the app to reopen which is so 2014; it's another thing that drove me crazy. I already knew I was running in the upper 5s of used ram with my 5T so while I do expect it would have got better both with a Goog fix and in the roms I'm pretty sure it will never be as good as it is here, which is to say flawless. Apps pretty much just pop open every time, not sure if I can recall a single app redraw so far.
Then you've got the recents/app drawer cludge which combines with the worst gestures I've ever encountered. I'm sure you've seen it in videos so I'm not going to try and paint a picture, I will say it's worse in use than it appears in a review. This one is easily fixed by installing a third party launcher and then getting rid of Googs idiotic gestures for one of the options off the market. To sum it up, the whole purpose of nav gestures is to get rid of the nav bar which gives you useable space on screen. Think about it, no gesture can ever really be easier than hitting an icon, the best they can do is equal that ease so failing to give you the screen space means you made someones life harder and gave them nothing. Total fail. Someone should be fired fail. If I were in charge of the person who sigined off on this nav/recents/gesture cludge I would fire him. No notice, excorted out of the building right now firing. The escort would be two thugs who hit his head on every hard point between his office and the curb where he was tossed. They're that bad.
So now you're thinking I hated the phone, not true, lets get into the pros...
The screen is beautiful everywhere it isn't being wasted or cut into by a cancerous tumer. I had mine up against a 6T in the store and there is no question where the better screen quality lies, it's all Pixel in that department. Wasn't just me saying that, all the store guys where over because the store was empty and they hadn't seen a Pixel in the flesh. All of us were in agreement.
You've also got the sofware experience. it's all slick and refined in a way that is unmatched in the Android ecosystem. The dialer with it's screening, spam block, and so on, the music id on the lock, etc. The phone may seem feature poor but in use it is a very pleasant device to own.
The camera is top tier. I think Goog is running out of picture refinement in software though because you can see areas like telephoto where phones with dedicated glass are getting better results now. They have added some useful features on the other hand, for example being able to pick a different picture besides the one you clicked actually works. Those who have kids will recall how getting a good photo can be a trail, they're in focus but you missed the moment, you caught the moment but it couldn't quite focus on a target that was moving fast, etc. I was able to get a few pictures of my grandkids that would have been junk but were salvaged by the feature. What I like about the camera is something it shares with the latest from Samsung and Apple, you can just point it at something and have a good expectation of a decent shot. I'm not talking art, I'm saying you got what was there and it's in focus with reasonably accurate color. It's a camera you can use without skills and a camera you can trust.
All in all I really liked the Pixel in use but the hardware is behind the curve and no matter how shiny you make it the hardware turd still lies below the polish. I went into a Tmo store to scope the 6T and when I went home I immediately called Fi and returned the phone and ordered a 6T as soon as I got done with that call. If I had my choice I'd get a 6T that had the Goog rom on it and with the higher quality screen from the Pixel but I didn't, I had to choose one before I ran out of the return window. I really couldn't get past that notch or more particularly the wasted space beside it. Seeing it next to the 6T and 5T really put it into perspective for me, what an utter fail when a year old mid range phone has more useable space than a brand new 1000 dollar flagship. I'll be a potential customer for the Pixel 4 assuming they get their hardware up to snuff with other flagships, the software experience was IMO best in class.
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Sorry, I should of been more clear in my question. I was referring to the actual signal strength for phone calls, etc. Do you notice if one phone or the other holds signals stronger than the other? Do you notice one phone may not have a signal while the other phone still has a signal?
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Sorry, I should of been more clear in my question. I was referring to the actual signal strength for phone calls, etc. Do you notice if one phone or the other holds signals stronger than the other? Do you notice one phone may not have a signal while the other phone still has a signal?
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that will be a little tougher to answer because I don't take both phones with me normally but I will carry them both for the next couple of days just to look that stuff over.
I haven't had an issue on either one with signal.
Hard to say, but the fact that I have double the Ram, a bigger battery, arguably better notch design, 4x the storage for about $300 less (depends on tax rate where you live.)
Pixel 3 XL has dual speakers, but they don't sound good at all. Wireless charging is a plus, but not a deal breaker. Higher resolution screen, but it isn't a huge difference (and I care about that a lot.) Active edges is pointless when you have OK Google and holding the home button does the same thing. Camera is AMAZING (but where tf is 60fps???), even at night without Night Shot, but the wide angle setup on the front reminds me of the LG V20 Wide angle back lens, very fishy. Battery lasts all day so that's cool, but no chance of 2 day battery life without being strict on usage. Stock and prioritized software updates are awesome, but OxygenOS is always going to have the same, if not more feature (Always on display is helpful maybe 70% of my experiences.) Again, the speaker setup is such a disappointment.
OnePlus 6T has a single speaker setup, but it sounds clearer and possibly even louder. But it is downward firing rather than forward. Hard to say if the camera is better because I haven't been about to directly compare it, but low light images are amazing, even without the night mode on. Telephoto would have been nice, but neither phone has it. The OnePlus 6T can do 4k60fps and 1080p60fps video, while the Pixel 3 XL can only do 1080p60fps, BUT YOU CAN'T SET IT TO PERMANENTLY FILM 60FPS (look it up, it's sad). Front camera works, but the Pixel 3 XL's focuses, so the Pixel 3 XL can capture more quality, regardless of the MP count. Battery is larger and should get better battery life, and so far has proven to be the case. The chin on the bottom is almost non existent, and you rarely notice it when using the phone. Fingerprint scanner under the screen is perfect for checking your phone on the desk, but isn't as accurate as the Pixel 3 XL (though the speed is pretty much the same when it is working, which for me is ~75% of the time.) Design is all opinion based, but the OP6T seems to be easier to hold in the hands and less slippery, also seems lighter, even though it is almost the same weight. Again, the notch is nicer looking on here when compared to the Pixel 3 XL.
Clearly the winner for the money is the OnePlus 6T, but the Pixel 3 XL holds up if you don't care about the price. If the OnePlus 6T has dual speakers I would say it's the winner regardless of price.
Pixel 3 XL for the CAMERA, SCREEN, WIRELESS CHARGING
OnePlus 6T for the STORAGE/MEMORY, SOFTWARE, DESIGN, FINGERPRINT SCANNER, BATTERY, 60FPS RECORDING (lol)
Something else, which is why I returned my pixel3xl - the microphone quality is aweful. Look on youtube for vids, but it's the same ****ty quality as the pixel2. Combined with a notch the size of kentucky, no facial unlock, meh battery life, disastrous memory management, and camera that saves photos only sometimes, it is a very Beta device and in my opinion worse than the 6t even at the same price. Using the Gcam on the 6t gives me nearly same photo quality so this is a tossup.
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Something else, which is why I returned my pixel3xl - the microphone quality is aweful. Look on youtube for vids, but it's the same ****ty quality as the pixel2. Combined with a notch the size of kentucky, no facial unlock, meh battery life, disastrous memory management, and camera that saves photos only sometimes, it is a very Beta device and in my opinion worse than the 6t even at the same price. Using the Gcam on the 6t gives me nearly same photo quality so this is a tossup.
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But gcam on 6T is not up to Pixel 3 level yet, we can only hope it will reach there
I'm actually thinking of picking up the 3xl myself I was going to sell my iPhone X which I finally upgraded from that abomination of a "phone" to the 6T and just have it laying around. Then was going to choose which I wanted to keep the 3xl or 6T or both. I personally think the camera is pretty bad. I mean it catches details but the focus is horrendous. The other day I was trying to take a video of the monitor to show the specs etc of a computer I was selling, this damn thing wouldn't focus for it's life just kept refocusing every couple of seconds, same thing with close up photos. It's also very much laggy, especially in video compared to my iPhone X. Largely noticeable in snap chat, you can't quickly move the phone otherwise it'll be all blur. Not sure if this is something everyone is experiencing or just my device. This is where the 3xl come in, amazing camera, pure Google, notch? As iPhone X owner I couldn't care less, build quality (6T feels premium-ishh). But from what you guys are saying apparently it's awful phone so now I'm confused as if I should or shouldn't get it.
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I'm actually thinking of picking up the 3xl myself I was going to sell my iPhone X which I finally upgraded from that abomination of a "phone" to the 6T and just have it laying around. Then was going to choose which I wanted to keep the 3xl or 6T or both. I personally think the camera is pretty bad. I mean it catches details but the focus is horrendous. The other day I was trying to take a video of the monitor to show the specs etc of a computer I was selling, this damn thing wouldn't focus for it's life just kept refocusing every couple of seconds, same thing with close up photos. It's also very much laggy, especially in video compared to my iPhone X. Largely noticeable in snap chat, you can't quickly move the phone otherwise it'll be all blur. Not sure if this is something everyone is experiencing or just my device. This is where the 3xl come in, amazing camera, pure Google, notch? As iPhone X owner I couldn't care less, build quality (6T feels premium-ishh). But from what you guys are saying apparently it's awful phone so now I'm confused as if I should or shouldn't get it.
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Pixel 3 XL is not awful by any means.. if you are not bothered about notch, you will be fine... I was in same dilemma whether to get 3 XL or 6T and got 6T.. I will be returning 6T and getting 3 XL... Sole reason is that I am not getting notifications from certain apps on 6T even after disabling all possible settings...but man this OP 6T is amazing in every other aspect.. I can live with 6T with gcam but missing notifications for my critical apps is a no-go for me
Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Wow how crappy LTE do you have in the US? See screenshot.
Norway - OnePlus 6T
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Wow how crappy LTE do you have in the US? See screenshot.
Norway - OnePlus 6T
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Yeah I don't get real high speeds at my house. I live like 2 minutes from the beach. When I go further inland I'm usually up above 100 Mbps.
But yeah I don't think I've ever seen the speed you posted.
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Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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That notch though.. I had everything going for Pixel 3 XL.. but not sure if I can tolerate that notch.. am using OnePlus 6T now and it definitely feels so futuristic...
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Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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I personally like oxygen OS better. It's stock with the perfect tweaks to it. And the ram management is far better. My pixels would close my messaging app when that was the ONLY app in my background. So damn annoying.
Performance and battery life is most essential to me. 6t takes both
So happy that the pixel is gonna get released. Everyone else excited???
meh.
They might finally have a winner, we'll see how they price it.
6gb ram and looks like the same 12mp sensor as the p3
I hope the 12mp sensor is really 48mp binned down to 12mp, and the 4XL has 8Gb of ram...
I really hope Google learnt from their pixel 3 series, putting a 90hz display on a phone isn't an easy task if the UI is laggy (as was the p3xl)
Let's see how this fans out.
Project Soli is extremely powerful, has precision accuracy and might end up changing how we interact with our smartphones. Coupled with an officially-teased DSLR-like software implementation , bigger battery, 90 Hz refresh rate and more RAM, I'm way more leaning towards the 4/4XL than many other heavyweights of recent times with no innovation.
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Project Soli is extremely powerful, has precision accuracy and might end up changing how we interact with our smartphones. Coupled with an officially-teased DSLR-like software implementation , bigger battery, 90 Hz refresh rate and more RAM, I'm way more leaning towards the 4/4XL than many other heavyweights of recent times with no innovation.
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Frames from 2016
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It has come a long way.
first they will get rid of all the holes, then all the phones will look like each other. Just big screen
I just don like how the phone looks, that "iphonesque" back its a no-no for me, i really love my panda 2xl, and i think i will wait for the pixel 5.
Just got an official email from Google stating that Oct 15 is the day.
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So the max we can expect is really 128GB with no expandable storage? That's just not enough in today's standard!
6 GB ram...
Hope they learned from the pixel 3
I know the phone is not out yet but I want to know what everyone thinks of the rumored battery size of the new P4 XL with 3700mAh and a 90Hz screen.
Looking at how well the P3 3aXL did in the battery tests with 3700mAh with a older CPU do you think the P4 will do better with SD 855, I heard this CPU will be slightly down clocked and Google being Google, well optimized with their OS.
What are your thoughts?
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I know the phone is not out yet but I want to know what everyone thinks of the rumored battery size of the new P4 XL with 3700mAh and a 90Hz screen.
Looking at how well the P3 3aXL did in the battery tests with 3700mAh with a older CPU do you think the P4 will do better with SD 855, I heard this CPU will be slightly down clocked and Google being Google, well optimized with their OS.
What are your thoughts?
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Where did you read about the 90hz display?
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Where did you read about the 90hz display?
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It is mentioned everywhere online
It can be reduced to 60 at your whim; not a good answer if you want to have your cake but it is good to know. Realistically Google has been shooting for various performance goals for years and is on record as saying 4 hours screen time is enough for the average user. This gibes well with what people actually get with their devices and I would expect somewhere in that ballpark depending on how you use your device.
No mention of the battery during the launch event, suggesting that while slightly larger, there's no significant improvement. Big downside for me.
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No mention of the battery during the launch event, suggesting that while slightly larger, there's no significant improvement. Big downside for me.
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Definitely is, instead of the camera bump at the back, I would of happily taken a bigger battery and have a flat back of the phone.
I'd like to believe that google has further optimized their software. Even with dynamic refresh rates, the battery on the regular 4 is shockingly small. That's the only logic I can make from that decision. I have a feeling that if google doesnt nail this one, it could spell the end for their mobile branch, simply for that fact.
If the XL had dual sim and min. 4000mah I would get this phone for sure but I think I will skip this one.
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If the XL had dual sim and min. 4000mah I would get this phone for sure but I think I will skip this one.
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The Pixel 4 will have dual SIMs. One is a physical SIM and one is an eSIM and the phone will support DSDA which means both SIMs can be active at the same time.
Carrier support for eSIM is another topic. Some carriers are not supporting them yet, some only on select devices, and others fully support them. So be sure the check your carrier's policies before assuming it will work.
The early word from Youtubers seems to be the XL battery is not terrible, MB for instance said it seemed ok but it was too early to quantify it yet.. As to dual SIM they already have a working DSDS configuration on the 3a which I have and can attest to being legit as I'm a dual SIM user. It's hard to imagine it wouldn't work on the 4 series.
I'm reviewing the smaller Pixel 4 so I'll let you know how it fares once the review embargo has lifted. As for DSDS, yes it does support it.
I'm hearing a rumor that on twitter, people are saying it's not a "true" 90hz display, but rather an OC'd 60hz. Not really sure what that means, but it makes sense if you want it to be dynamic. I don't really follow twitter, so maybe someone else in here has seen this and can elaborate. Idc what they call it, personally. As long as it works
The screen seems to be the one thing Youtubers are happy about; otherwise overall they are critical of the lacking hardware and some of the design choices. I'm sure you've all seen some of those so you know what I'm talking about. The screen however seems to be getting accolades across the board so however they're doing it the effect has been positive.
I'm not well read on screen refresh rates from a hardware perspective, is there a reason to care whether it's a 90 hz being downclocked or a 60 hz being OCed?
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The screen seems to be the one thing Youtubers are happy about; otherwise overall they are critical of the lacking hardware and some of the design choices. I'm sure you've all seen some of those so you know what I'm talking about. The screen however seems to be getting accolades across the board so however they're doing it the effect has been positive.
I'm not well read on screen refresh rates from a hardware perspective, is there a reason to care whether it's a 90 hz being downclocked or a 60 hz being OCed?
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Exactly. They seem to be concentrating on soli, right now. I haven't heard anything bad about the screen either. Probably just some haters. Not really sure how it works either. That is one side of tech i no nothing about, as far as implementation. This is only an assumption, but I would think that having an OC'd 60 makes more sense, only allowing it to boost when necessary. Rather than a 90hz, constantly downclocked and only returning to it's natural rate when needed. But this is all just spitballin. Either case, I am still looking forward to it, not gonna let the haters get me down
Pixel phones always work better than expected in the day to day. I recall not too long ago seeing video where the guy from unboxed hardware was in a suite in Vegas with a number of other prominent Youtubers and in the video he asked them to pull out and show the phone they used personally, Pixel tied the iphone with few others phones coming out of pockets. When you think about the reception for the 3XL and it's notch and all the other complaints people who have tried everything and could us anything were putting that phone in their pocket over others. For my own purposes I'm pretty sure this one is just going to continue being the phone that shouldn't be as good as it is but somehow the whole will prove greater than the sum of it's parts just like the Pixels before it.
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Pixel phones always work better than expected in the day to day. I recall not too long ago seeing video where the guy from unboxed hardware was in a suite in Vegas with a number of other prominent Youtubers and in the video he asked them to pull out and show the phone they used personally, Pixel tied the iphone with few others phones coming out of pockets. When you think about the reception for the 3XL and it's notch and all the other complaints people who have tried everything and could us anything were putting that phone in their pocket over others. For my own purposes I'm pretty sure this one is just going to continue being the phone that shouldn't be as good as it is but somehow the whole will prove greater than the sum of it's parts just like the Pixels before it.
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That wasn’t the case with the pixel 3 series. In fact many have reported it to slow down.
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I had one, it didn't slow down at all. Also the 3a, it didn't slow down either. The phone those young millionaires pulled out, were all P3s. Did you own one yourself and see a slow down?
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I had one, it didn't slow down at all. Also the 3a, it didn't slow down either. The phone those young millionaires pulled out, were all P3s. Did you own one yourself and see a slow down?
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I didn’t own one myself however I’ve heard many saying their pixel 3 had issues with not enough memory etc... MKBHD is one of them and he is a pixel lover. Ive seen many youtubers say it so I’ll take their word for it.
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No question on the memory, both Pixel variants suffered from redrawns and apps had/have to be reloaded that should have been in memory fairly often. If there was any question that 4 gigs is no longer enough the P3's answered it fairly well. They did not however slow down. Brownlee BTW was one of the young millionaires in that suite in Vegas and he was one of the people carrying a Pixel 3. Evidently he also found it to be more than the sum of it's parts.
The battery life is going to suck. I have a Pixel 2 XL and even brand new the battery life wasn't very good. Compared to the Pixel 2 XL the Pixel 4 XL has a 5% bigger screen, 5% more pixels, face unlock hardware, a radar sensor and 6GB RAM which will all cause the Pixel 4 XL to use more battery but the battery is only 5% bigger. That means worse battery life. And that's with the refresh rate set to 60hz. With the refresh rate set to 90hz the battery life will be much worse than the Pixel 2 XL which, again, wasn't very good.
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The early word from Youtubers seems to be the XL battery is not terrible, MB for instance said it seemed ok but it was too early to quantify it yet.. As to dual SIM they already have a working DSDS configuration on the 3a which I have and can attest to being legit as I'm a dual SIM user. It's hard to imagine it wouldn't work on the 4 series.
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I want better than "not terrible". Even at 60hz 3700mAh is too small. If it allowed setting the resolution to 1080p then 3700mAh would probably be ok. As it is the battery life will be a little worse than the Pixel 2 XL in 60hz mode and much worse in 90hz mode.
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I'm reviewing the smaller Pixel 4 so I'll let you know how it fares once the review embargo has lifted. As for DSDS, yes it does support it.
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Review embargo?
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The screen seems to be the one thing Youtubers are happy about; otherwise overall they are critical of the lacking hardware and some of the design choices. I'm sure you've all seen some of those so you know what I'm talking about. The screen however seems to be getting accolades across the board so however they're doing it the effect has been positive.
I'm not well read on screen refresh rates from a hardware perspective, is there a reason to care whether it's a 90 hz being downclocked or a 60 hz being OCed?
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I hope the screen is more like the Pixel 2 XL in terms of color saturation but without the other minor issues of the Pixel 2 XL screen.
Opinions are like a-holes, so I thought I'd stay in character & post mine.
This is my first Samsung. Until now, 9 of 10 phones I've owned have been Moto - I used to work for the company and got stuck on them (even when they went to Google then Lenovo). All phones have been rooted since 2010 when I got my first Droid Razr. It's been about 6 years since I've been cutting edge - my last phone was so incredibly reliable I got stuck on it. I've never owned an iPhone & never will. This past December my house decided to overhaul our devices, so I got the s21 Ultra for ~850 USD after discounts. I've been on Verizon since 1999.
My primary uses for owning a mobile device are directly related to the Windows & Linux experiences I have in my life. I want something with maximum horsepower, something I can lock down the best I can, tweak, web/text/data etc., a cutting edge camera, quick & easy 24/7 webdav, and seamless connection/configurability to my NAS. I don't play games (yet) and don't use any social media apps. My machines have to do exactly what I say, quickly, and look good doing it.
There are plenty of people here who could flesh out the technical better than I, but the reason I wanted to share my thoughts here is because I absolutely love this phone & cannot stop talking about it. I love the feel of it, the weight, the screen, the speed & the camera. When I take the few extra seconds to frame & configure a shot, the photos/videos dust the iPhones everyone else uses in my house. One of the things I don't hear many talk about with this phone is how it feels in your hand & on your face when you're actually on a call. Never have I held such a quality device - it's less like a slab and more like a monolith. Anyone who has spent that extra money on say, a car, can attest to this. I really believe I got what I paid for and that's such a terrific feeling I seldom feel anymore.
So when I got the phone I flashed it out of the box to A12 XAA 4BUKF before I even simmed it. Because root was not available, I used ADB AppControl (phenomenal software) to tweak & script the changes I made. I am one of the lucky ones who was able to run 12 with minimal issues. After reading some of the thoughts on 12, I flashed back to A11 XAA 4AUJ7 to test it. Here are my general thoughts on Android 11 vs 12.
Quick notes: I do not use Bixby, I kept only the Samsung apps I ended up liking such as Gallery, Camera, Calculator, Keyboard & Voicemail. I ditched all the rest. I use Signal for texting, Edge for browsing and a few older misc. apps/widgets for everyday stuff.
FunctionEdgeCommentsData SpeedsTie80-150mbps 5G in the NW suburbs of ChicagoCall QualityTieBloatTieBoth are loaded with garbage. If for whatever reason I was restricted in my abilities to adb into this phone, I would not own it.Camera12• The stock camera app produces superior pictures on 12 imho, but both require manual iris intervention before every shot.
• If memory serves me right, the stabilizer "click" when you tilt the phone is not present like it is on 11. Can someone on 12 confirm this?Processing Speeds1111 is smoother and slightly faster.OneUI12• Real close but 12 edges out 11 because of the 85% charge option & ability to add an image to the peek/always on screen.
• Again I am one of the lucky ones as both were equally stable
*** As a new Samsung user, I'm floored by the customizability of OneUI and I love it. I could write pages about the changes I made in here. Bravo Samsung.Battery11Distant first place. The battery on 11 feels nearly twice as good. I get just at/under two days on a 100% charge with moderate use.Overall Personal Preference12But I am staying on 11 for now because of the battery, unfortunately. There is just no comparison.
*** Flashing this phone has been a seamlesss experience and not once has it *****ed at me about a single thing.
After weeks of research, attached are the apps I've frozen which produce no drain. I went much further than this, but reverted back to this in the end due to some perceived drain. Here are some pictures & a video I've taken with the stock app just for giggles - view settings can be changed to thumbnails using the icon on the top right of the page. These are untouched outside of the phone.
Outstanding phone, best I've ever owned, and I'm going to keep it for years. I would love to hear some counterpoints on what I've listed here.
Hi, thanks for the detailed review. Is that Exynos or Snapdragon?
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Hi, thanks for the detailed review. Is that Exynos or Snapdragon?
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Totally. Snapdragon.
@burnxtc the one counterpoint that helps null Android is Samsung's going chintzy and removing the SD card slot. That combined with the new Google Android OS's new forced encryption and scoped storage the S21U is more Apple than Android.
Samsung hasn't been firing on all cylinders for way over a year. The N10+ was the last homerun flagship release Samsung made... in my opinion.
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Interesting that you also notice the "processing speeds" to be a bit slower with 12. I definitely noticed it with the Exynos here (have owned it since pretty much release). Since 12, I've also observed issues with:
Picture in Picture, Split Screen etc - Refresh Rate drops to 60Hz (EXYNOS)
Hi there, I'd not noticed this before the Android 12 update, but refresh rate appears to drop from 120Hz to 60Hz when using Picture in Picture or Split Screen views. Can anyone else reproduce this please? You can confirm this by going into...
forum.xda-developers.com
And certainly animation "jitteriness" not infrequently has suddenly become noticeable where it didn't really exist on 11.
ssj100 said:
Interesting that you also notice the "processing speeds" to be a bit slower with 12. I definitely noticed it with the Exynos here (have owned it since pretty much release). Since 12, I've also observed issues with:
Picture in Picture, Split Screen etc - Refresh Rate drops to 60Hz (EXYNOS)
Hi there, I'd not noticed this before the Android 12 update, but refresh rate appears to drop from 120Hz to 60Hz when using Picture in Picture or Split Screen views. Can anyone else reproduce this please? You can confirm this by going into...
forum.xda-developers.com
And certainly animation "jitteriness" not infrequently has suddenly become noticeable where it didn't really exist on 11.
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The refresh rate stuff is definitely something missing from my review. I am all eyes when I've read about it on this forum and learning much more about it.
ssj100 said:
Interesting that you also notice the "processing speeds" to be a bit slower with 12. I definitely noticed it with the Exynos here (have owned it since pretty much release). Since 12, I've also observed issues with:
Picture in Picture, Split Screen etc - Refresh Rate drops to 60Hz (EXYNOS)
Hi there, I'd not noticed this before the Android 12 update, but refresh rate appears to drop from 120Hz to 60Hz when using Picture in Picture or Split Screen views. Can anyone else reproduce this please? You can confirm this by going into...
forum.xda-developers.com
And certainly animation "jitteriness" not infrequently has suddenly become noticeable where it didn't really exist on 11.
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The forced encryption maybe but certainly the scoped storage is sucking away cpu cycles for nothing. It's like air drag on a jet fighter, you can jam in bigger engines but the drag is still there slowing it down and burning more fuel.
For what? I like my Androids fast and loose.
burnxtc said:
The refresh rate stuff is definitely something missing from my review. I am all eyes when I've read about it on this forum and learning much more about it.
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It's a big problem on all variable rate displays. All suffer from reduced color rendering to a greater or lesser degree.
Display reliability has also dropped it seems. That's a big reason I decided on buying a second N10+, probably the best display out there for color rendering, still. It slaughters the Apples too.
Still waiting for the newest model reviews but don't expect the color rendering index to increase much or at all; variable refresh rate displays are extremely hard to color calibrate, just too many variables. They are smooth but eat power. My SOT is 7-12%@hr with a 4300 mAh battery using 35-50% manual brightness. Ram usage almost never exceeds 5.3gb so it's snappy. The memory is roughly 20% less efficient than what you have.
So where's all the battery going on the newer models?
So pick your poison. For me it was choosing a phone over 2 years after it was first released. I have 2 N10+'s, the oldest will be 2.5 yo in March.
A Snapdragon variant 512/12gb running on Pie.
Current load will be 2 yo in June, still fast and stable, security isn't an issue. Only repair was a battery replacement back in April 2021. It looks and runs like new, zero detectable display degradation in this heavily used device. It's a beast. The reliability, display quality, battery life (trade offs: no 5G, variable refresh rate, and slower cpu/memory), form factor (7mm thick), SD card slot, the device is just stunning, and fun to use are some of the factors that made me go with a second one. I have twins...
blackhawk said:
It's a big problem on all variable rate displays. All suffer from reduced color rendering to a greater or lesser degree.
Display reliability has also dropped it seems. That's a big reason I decided on buying a second N10+, probably the best display out there for color rendering, still. It slaughters the Apples too.
Still waiting for the newest model reviews but don't expect the color rendering index to increase much or at all; variable refresh rate displays are extremely hard to color calibrate, just too many variables. They are smooth but eat power. My SOT is 7-12%@hr with a 4300 mAh battery using 35-50% manual brightness. Ram usage almost never exceeds 5.3gb so it's snappy. The memory is roughly 20% less efficient than what you have.
So where's all the battery going on the newer models?
So pick your poison. For me it was choosing a phone over 2 years after it was first released. I have 2 N10+'s, the oldest will be 2.5 yo in March.
A Snapdragon variant 512/12gb running on Pie.
Current load will be 2 yo in June, still fast and stable, security isn't an issue. Only repair was a battery replacement back in April 2021. It looks and runs like new, zero detectable display degradation in this heavily used device. It's a beast. The reliability, display quality, battery life (trade offs: no 5G, variable refresh rate, and slower cpu/memory), form factor (7mm thick), SD card slot, the device is just stunning, and fun to use are some of the factors that made me go with a second one. I have twins...
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That is absolutely incredible, I had no idea the N10+ was that right on the money - "Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect." No wonder they're still fetching that price.
Curious, did you do the battery replacement yourself & was there any degradation to the "structure" after you got it done? I've done batteries on a dozen phones/tablets, but taking my Samsung apart looks really daunting.
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That is absolutely incredible, I had no idea the N10+ was that right on the money - "Visually Indistinguishable From Perfect." No wonder they're still fetching that price.
Curious, did you do the battery replacement yourself & was there any degradation to the "structure" after you got it done? I've done batteries on a dozen phones/tablets, but taking my Samsung apart looks really daunting.
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I like it's square display corners, only the N20U has those too but that damn cam hump. In person the square corners look so much better.
Being raised on CRTs, I'm sick of rounded corners
The Zizo Bolt case mates perfectly with the 10+ making it easier to use and has great drop protection... so I knew casing the second one be easy. These corner hitters need a case. The spen's Smart Capture and bt shutter release are hard to live without once you use them. Deciding took some time.
It was between the N10+ and the N20U as the SD card slot is mandatory for me. In the end the trouble free and snappy fun nature of the 10+ won out. Never thought I would have done that in 2019, thought for sure I be wanting the next Samsung flagship in 2022. Ummm, thanks Samsung?
Had a shop do the replacement as I was intimidated too. I watched and learned. Use a little anhydrous isopropyl in a syringe to help loosen the double sided tape on the rear cover (and heat) and battery. Not bad if you take your time and have the right tools... easy does it, no rush.
Get the OEM rear cover seal or a good aftermarket one. Lol, never test if it's water tight even with the factory done one.
In the end I realized I could do a better job myself, but that in person demo really helped a lot. And yeah, I was a menace, asking questions... got my money's worth