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galaxy tab s2 9.7 increase gaming performance

In some games i get lag spike like gta san anders play on medium seatings and rawensword 2 i use game tuner but not help . how to increase performance for gaming maybe custom kernel or overcloking if its possible for it or some kind programs I'm new in android staff.

If the graphics on the 815 don't work for you then surely don't replace it with an 813/819. The GPU is supposed to be better on the one you have.
I don't think these are gaming tablets really. I don't know any that are but that's not my thing. They do have more RAM and better screens than most other tablets.

any other option ?

Maybe Apple is better for gaming? I really don't know. Hopefully a clueful individual will answer you. I am too new to the whole tablet world to know much.

i find gltools maybe its improve performance i see a lot of video of it . but its need root access? who have experience from it ?

I guess you could change the thread title and perhaps get more help.

bump any suggestion? i need to improve performance for some games not to much a bit game now rawensword runs 20 fps sometime drops to 15 in fights :/ i like to boost to 30 fps any suggestion i try different programs but no luck :/

The issue is simple. The Exynos version throttles like mad with continuous high usage (games and video SW rendering). And you can do nothing about it. From what I read, the snapdragon version doesn't throttle as bad/at all. I recommend switching to android 6 if you haven't done that already, as it increases the performance by a little bit, as well as setting the resolution in those heavier game to 50% and force capping the frame rate to 30.

Dariusdd said:
The issue is simple. The Exynos version throttles like mad with continuous high usage (games and video SW rendering). And you can do nothing about it. From what I read, the snapdragon version doesn't throttle as bad/at all. I recommend switching to android 6 if you haven't done that already, as it increases the performance by a little bit, as well as setting the resolution in those heavier game to 50% and force capping the frame rate to 30.
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I've had the exact opposite experience.
The snapdragon version lags with many games while the exynos version played all these games smoothly...
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It's certainly peculiar. I couldn't play Asphalt 8 for too long without setting the resolution all the way down to 50%(1024x768). At 1080p it'd start lagging really bad on me in about 3-4 minutes at best. That doesn't mean it doesn't have an adequate overall performance, it's flying, but anything as heavy as asphalt or worse would bring it to its knees.

strange in asphalt 8 i have no lag run rely smoothly only san andres and rawensword run not what great san andres 25~28 medium graphic rawensword 22 in fight with max distance other setting cant change.

For 5.1 I was using optimal rom found in development section. He also made a kernel you could over clock with synapse support found here http://forum.xda-developers.com/tab-s2/development/nn-kernel-lp-t701-t3309570.com With synapse you can force the gpu to over clock along with cpu. Download synapse from market. In setting developer options turn off hardware overlays ticking that on will use the gpu for rendering. Off (default) cpu. At least that is my understanding. Some games work better with it on others off. Minecraft on I got 60fps at 2nd highest view distance using customers textures. Yet terraria would stutter on certain conditions but never a problem with it turned off. Warning though it will make your device hot where the cpu is. I've got no idea how well you're games will play as I have never played them. I did get a noticeable difference from stock vs the above. So maybe it's an option worth trying.

Hm thx for advise but i read all posts but i don't see anything say it's for 6.0 marshmallow and my it's sm-t815 lite version i only see 810? Maybe its work for my device ?

Might be too different. Not sure.
http://www.devicespecifications.com/en/comparison/676f391aa
You have mobile data and I just have WiFi. Everything else seemed the same.
On my xoom it was from Verizon I flashed WiFi only rom and kernels. Lost mobile data but all was fine. As long as the kernal matched the rom. Worse case recover backup or Odin MM back on it. Just use the kernel with a 5.1 810 rom plus whatever you need to root it. I used that kernel with a few different romps but never cm since that's liable to be experimental still on my death bed. So it felt compatible with any 810 rom. If I was you and didn't mind losing cellular data I would treat it as an 810. Maybe do a bit more research and make sure they really are similar.

its same i see ok but one question if i flash this kernel how much i can improve performance like gta san andres can i play max at normal frame rate become on max now i have 17~21 fps i ask it become i was thinking its wort or not don't want to lose warranty

If you don't want to lose warranty then stock it is. That's my advise. I highly doubt you would break it but still if you dropped it in get it. You want that available. I've seen root options that don't trip Knox but I didn't care to research because I didn't have a warranty. I knew using ct auto root would void warrenty (method I used) before doing it. Search for different rooting options to 810.
I get not wanting to void warranty but if you're over clocking it, rooting, accept it as a trade off. You replied before I edited my last post so maybe reread. They are slightly different.

um when how about performance in gaming ? there i mention it i read it make 2.0ghz for 4 core and for others 1.5 or 1.6 it make huge boost in game or just small i rely care about it. ?

That sounds right. And the gpu goes up to 700hz. I think stock is 600. I don't play the games you are so can't say for sure performance but it was noticeable for me. I set both cpu min 1,000 max whatever max it allowed like you mentioned. So if it needed cpu it was there. Gpu I did max because there is a noticeable difference going from 600 to 650 to 700. Put the min as the max. Then toggle on turn off hardware overlays. Other games preferred the opposite. Max cpu for both and min close to max, whatever for gpu and no toggle for turn off hardware overlays.
Don't do max cpu and max Gpu. To much heat without any improvement. Pick one or the other as max, other one able to if needed. Here is what I ended up with.
Mine craft liked the first option. Not sure what it was playing at before over clocking. Maybe 30-40 fps while flying in creative mode. Got up to 60 fps no stuttering unless I was at a huge super dense forest biome where you couldn't see the ground. Probably used 25% per hour. I know mine craft doesn't sound like much but I had fancy on (transparent leaves), 128bit textures, 2nd highest view (it was far), and flying really fast in creative. Even bought a controller because of it. Though it actualy plays and feels better without. To wierd.
Terraria preferred all cpu so second option. Again you think but it's 2d. It isn't optimized by any means. Even on pc that game uses more then one would believe. I played at 60 fps with no slowdowns on second option. Without over clock it would stutter fairly easily vs completly smooth. It felt like whoever programed the cpu made sure they never gave enough power at any given time as a cruel joke. With synapse I could set the min as max and over clock it.
All I can say in the end it is noticable. It was enough to get 60fps. For a 2d game, it wasn't worth playing unless it was so. Download terraria dig a bit underground, get some lighting going and some enemies. Notice the wonderful stutter and ask why, it's 2d. Then you can decide if that vs 60 fps is worth the void warrenty and possibly broken device achieving it.

can y try gta san andres on max with overclock your system ? i'm rely curios

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avoiding thermal throttling?

When i play games like moderncombat5 i have 60fps but after a while the frames drop in some scenes where it didnt 3-5 minutes ago. When i check the cpu/gpu i can see that it throttles and causes these framedrops. But the phone doesnt get hot. Since it isnt possible to mess with thermal values at the moment. I wonder if there are some optimal cpu/gpu clocks where it will not throttle and performance will stay the same all time regardless of how much you stress the cpu/gpu. Because i'd rather have a underclocked cpu gpu than having thermal throttling while stressing the phone. On oneplus3 i didnt have this much thermal throttling playing mc5. I also feel the thermal throttling throttles way to early.
And yes i tried almost all kernels/roms out there it was a better experience on the op3
Thanks!

All CPUs have slight variations, some may be slightly more efficient than others of the same model. To get the best performance, you're going to have to underclock and test on your own phone bit by bit.

Anova's Origin said:
All CPUs have slight variations, some may be slightly more efficient than others of the same model. To get the best performance, you're going to have to underclock and test on your own phone bit by bit.
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I know i have pvs lvl 1 across the board thats why i wonder why i didnt have this issue on the oneplus3

nadejo said:
I know i have pvs lvl 1 across the board thats why i wonder why i didnt have this issue on the oneplus3
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What file did you open up to view that i looked a few months ago in the typical spots but found nothing.

954wrecker said:
What file did you open up to view that i looked a few months ago in the typical spots but found nothing.
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I dont remember. But it was hard to find. Anyways i found out that the cpu allways throttles down to little 1209 mhz and big 1440 mhz. When gpu is running on max clock. Will make further investigations now to find perfect cpu & gpu freq.

It seems regardless of what cpu profile / governor you use and regardless if the phone is charging or not. The cpu will allways throttle down to 1209 little and 1440 big. And the gpu also throttles but i can't monitor the exact values currently. This throttling even happens when gpu is running on min freq. And even when you set big or little cluster to min freq.
Im pretty sure the thermal throttling of the oneplus3 is broken. Because:
Thermal throttling should be decided by many factors. (General soc heat generated by gpu/cpu/and ram) also the system should be aware by the values and should handle it intelligently.)
It seems there is only one heatsensor used to throttle all at once and the throttling stops at 1209mhz little and 1440mhz big. If the temperature still rises the phone simply doesnt give a f*** why i think there isnt even a point of using this stock throttling method. And no its not accurate. And no its not usefull because, it throttles regardless what heat the phone has. Because it doesnt react to soc heat. It reacts to one of the components and throttles everything. Why it can't check the other temparatures aswell and throttle other components diffrently if even needed at all.
Issue: lets say little or big cluster is overheating because the cpu load is very high on it. (And no you wont see this throttling by simply running perf gov. It needs load/ working tasks on it, means you gotta play some heavy 3d games)
The thermal throttling just brakes down both clusters including the gpu. Was the big cluster or the gpu running cool? The thermal throttling doesn't give a f***. Could the loads/tasks been shared with or pushed to the big cluster. Thermal values dont care. Could some rly simple sort of hotplug turn the overhating little cluster off to let the big cluster do the rest before it rather throttles everything on the f... phone . -nope - Its annoying. Rly just try it out yourself. I really hope to see some improvements by oneplus. And no the phone is not bad at all. It's just some things are not optimized yet. Like touch latency which is worse than on galaxy s3 but i don't mind it just giving you an example so you can imagine how bad the thermal throttling must be.
Allways remember setting the cpu clock values so low that they dont throttle anymore doesnt mean gpu will throttle less often. All compenents will throttle without comparing other compents clock rate and heat.
My question: is the thermal throttling decided by the soc itself or are there different thermal throttling values on each phone brand using sd821?
And is it possible to port these values from lets say pixel phone?

I'm on cm13 and its kernel default is a bit lower than stock. I had the screen on full brightness and was charging the battery so temps above 100°. I played dead trigger 2 on highest settings on a level with lots of special effects and weapons with lots of splatter. Got throttled when the temp hit 103° everytime. I was running performance on cpu and gpu and i tested it without charging and still get throttled.

954wrecker said:
I'm on cm13 and its kernel default is a bit lower than stock. I had the screen on full brightness and was charging the battery so temps above 100°. I played dead trigger 2 on highest settings on a level with lots of special effects and weapons with lots of splatter. Got throttled when the temp hit 103° everytime. I was running performance on cpu and gpu and i tested it without charging and still get throttled.
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Im using laos 14.1 with latest ex kernel.
As is said thermal values are broken. Its not right to throttle down to same speed if charger is plugged as battery heat is higher and soc heat should be higher too. So i think it also throttles unnecesserily low without the charger being plugged.

Did any one find a solution to fix this?

Up up up
years of tired because of this ****ting throttling issue

Well do this at your own risk, go to system/vendor/bin and cut the file named "thermal-engine" to other directories in your sd card. This will completely disable thermal throttling. Perfect for gaming.?

Up up!!! This issues persists to me.. i even put my oneplus 3t in front of 8" fan for every gaming. Is there anyway to maintain the cpu frequency at higher rate during thermal throttling? I don't want to totally disable the thermal throttling... Seems unsafe... Enlighten me if you would

I think its time for gamer's to switch to a gaming oriented phone to avoid this thermal throttling and im looking forward to buy Black Shark which is Xiaomi backed gaming phone with custom rom (not miui) something different and that too is gaming focused hopefully it will be available globally soon ! :fingers-crossed:

J's said:
Up up!!! This issues persists to me.. i even put my oneplus 3t in front of 8" fan for every gaming. Is there anyway to maintain the cpu frequency at higher rate during thermal throttling? I don't want to totally disable the thermal throttling... Seems unsafe... Enlighten me if you would
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There is no risk if you disable thermal throttling, the CPU will shut itself down if its temperature reaches 100°C

przemcio510 said:
There is no risk if you disable thermal throttling, the CPU will shut itself down if its temperature reaches 100°C
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If i tilt my phone to the left for gaming, i will be burning my left thumb then.... even around cpu temp of 55.... My OnePlus 3T is gold in colour.. will it be better for heat dissipation if i change to midnight black?

LN2 + Copper pot. Should help.

J's said:
If i tilt my phone to the left for gaming, i will be burning my left thumb then.... even around cpu temp of 55.... My OnePlus 3T is gold in colour.. will it be better for heat dissipation if i change to midnight black?
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No, the color will have no impact, but it will be even worse when exposed to sun

przemcio510 said:
No, the color will have no impact, but it will be even worse when exposed to sun
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Thank you... Because the country i living is hot and humid throughout the year so i have to be extra careful ..

Any solution?

blaze95rs said:
Any solution?
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There's nothing you can do about the throtting, OP3T throttles @60°C tbh in just 10 mins of game play it starts throtting
You have 2 options here
1. Either disable thermal engine as suggested by someone above ( it basically boils your device forget about gaming, temps touchs to 98°C if msm thermal is disabled and around 60 to 75°c it msm thermal is enabled it's seriously hot to touch and high chances of damaging internals
2. Underclock the big cluster to 1209MHz or 1286MHz I tested both, while gaming (2 hrs of pubg @ medium settings) temp's are around 53 to 55°c and never reached 60°c no throtting ( but you know what, games still lag or you will get low fps due to lack of power Lol I'm sorry that's true there nothing you can do about it try playing games in air conditioned room or just buy gaming Phone like Razer they have good heat dissipation, you should not forget the fact that our device is 2 years old. Tbh on a 2 year old phones even optimized games too use lot of processing power which lead more heat. More heat = throttle

can anyone post "cpu throttling test" results for k20 pro?

app is available on playstore named "cpu throttling test", you need to keep the device idle atleast for 5-10mins before starting the test, run the test in foreground for 10 mins, dont use the phone while the test is going on. Also how are the thermals like whe playing pubgm on extreme fps on this device?

Chinese Miui 10.3.11 8/128
Big core clocked down after 2mins, then after 4:30 all cores started downclocking

This is the results I've got
http://imgur.com/a/8qMVFPZ
Don't know how accurate it is though

hyperkiller said:
Chinese Miui 10.3.11 8/128
Big core clocked down after 2mins, then after 4:30 all cores started downclocking
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Hahaha...? With Malakas Kernel I have score around 160,000 GIPS after 15 minutes and with unthermal module I have score around 190,000 GIPS with my Pocophone F1 after the same time. So we certainly need custom Kernels for these new phones...

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This is the results I've got
http://imgur.com/a/8qMVFPZ
Don't know how accurate it is though
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Oh very nice, even after 10 minutes barely any throttling!
Did you let it run with room temperature?

patoberli said:
Oh very nice, even after 10 minutes barely any throttling!
Did you let it run with room temperature?
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remember to take the results with a grain of salt. judging from the reviews it's not always accurate. don't remember the exact weather conditions but i wasn't in a sauna or anything. probably was around 25°C

You haven't seen my Mi 5s which has stock Rom. It throttles by nearly 50% of max speed after ~4 minutes of use and even disables one of the two high performance cores. In other words, games start to lag after 4-5 minutes.
So I'm happy to see that this doesn't happen here

Hey guys, can someone please direct me to a resource on "unthermal module" for Pocophone? Is it a kernel that allows modification of the termal throttling values?
Thanks a lot!

I did 2 tests, one with Game Turbo On and the other Off.
It throttled when Game Turbo was Off.

RaduNastase said:
Hey guys, can someone please direct me to a resource on "unthermal module" for Pocophone? Is it a kernel that allows modification of the termal throttling values?
Thanks a lot!
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For pocophone? You should post in poco thread instead then.

Lineage OS, can't remember if stock or immensity, probably the latter, thermal controller set to benchmark.

odssssssss said:
I did 2 tests, one with Game Turbo On and the other Off.
It throttled when Game Turbo was Off.
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Did it again, with Game Turbo On.
Those brown shiny strips on my phone cover are copper tapes. Got them off Lazada / Shoppee for around RM10. i.e. USD 3.
I think they could help distribute heat on the back of the phone over a larger area.

odssssssss said:
Did it again, with Game Turbo On.
Those brown shiny strips on my phone cover are copper tapes. Got them off Lazada / Shoppee for around RM10. i.e. USD 3.
I think they could help distribute heat on the back of the phone over a larger area.
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It shows throttling so how come you're saying it helps? Or did you post a wrong screenshot?

nakulp said:
It shows throttling so how come you're saying it helps? Or did you post a wrong screenshot?
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It still throttles, but not that badly as before. You can compare my Min score with the other users.
Meanwhile could you also run the same test and post your Min Max Average scores? Would be nice if there's more data for everyone to benchmark against

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It still throttles, but not that badly as before. You can compare my Min score with the other users.
Meanwhile could you also run the same test and post your Min Max Average scores? Would be nice if there's more data for everyone to benchmark against
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Aha! I see it now! Min.181 vs much lower minimum like 165/171 etc with others..:good::laugh:
Yes, I'll upload too

Xiaomi must optimize the 660 chip.

i bought this phone last week, i am not satisfied with this phone, it gets hot when browsing, lag when playing games(because of the unstable high speed clock), i checked using the aida64 app and the big cores clock speed easily reach 2.2 ghz speed. that was unnecessary, even after turning the battery saver mode, the cores still easily touch 2.2 ghz. i already discussed this on the indonesian mi community, but then i got bullied, people saying it was my fault, not the phone. but there was many thread that complains about lag when playing games and bad battery life. i supose that was because the bad management of cpu cores.
note : i bought this phone in indonesia, with TAM (official) warranty
my rom is currently on the 10.3.6.0(PFGMIXM)
3+32GB model.

Rifaldi34 said:
i bought this phone last week, i am not satisfied with this phone, it gets hot when browsing, lag when playing games(because of the unstable high speed clock), i checked using the aida64 app and the big cores clock speed easily reach 2.2 ghz speed. that was unnecessary, even after turning the battery saver mode, the cores still easily touch 2.2 ghz. i already discussed this on the indonesian mi community, but then i got bullied, people saying it was my fault, not the phone. but there was many thread that complains about lag when playing games and bad battery life. i supose that was because the bad management of cpu cores.
note : i bought this phone in indonesia, with TAM (official) warranty
my rom is currently on the 10.3.6.0(PFGMIXM)
3+32GB model.
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It's very commom for any Snapdragon device to reach top clock speed when in use, download CPU-z and do a little scrolling to see that.
The lag in games you're getting is most probably because of the 3GB RAM of your variant not the CPU as SD660 can handle most mobile games with ease.
About battery life, how much SOT are you getting? RN7 should handle at least 6hrs with some heavy gaming included.
And about temperature, how much degrees is your device peaking at? Anything below 38ºC should be fine.
And lastly, about mi community......well, most people there look like VERY inexperienced users, i wouldn't take them as a parameter to prove your point.

Gonime said:
It's very commom for any Snapdragon device to reach top clock speed when in use, download CPU-z and do a little scrolling to see that.
The lag in games you're getting is most probably because of the 3GB RAM of your variant not the CPU as SD660 can handle most mobile games with ease.
About battery life, how much SOT are you getting? RN7 should handle at least 6hrs with some heavy gaming included.
And about temperature, how much degrees is your device peaking at? Anything below 38ºC should be fine.
And lastly, about mi community......well, most people there look like VERY inexperienced users, i wouldn't take them as a parameter to prove your point.
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3gb of ram is good enough for gaming unless ur playing a heavy game while on youtube and facebook at the same time. the problem with this phone is the aggressive thermal throttling, once the phone reaches 40°c the phone becomes noticeably slower.
my advice to OP is unlock ur bootloader flash some custom rom, custom kernel and root ur device until you find the performance/battery ur looking for.

aron11195 said:
3gb of ram is good enough for gaming unless ur playing a heavy game while on youtube and facebook at the same time. the problem with this phone is the aggressive thermal throttling, once the phone reaches 40°c the phone becomes noticeably slower.
my advice to OP is unlock ur bootloader flash some custom rom, custom kernel and root ur device until you find the performance/battery ur looking for.
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3GB of RAM has not been fine for some time now, there is a lot of games you wouldn't be able to multitask with any other application with only 3GB.
Few examples: TES Blades, Fortnite, PS2 emulation.
Also what are you doing to reach 40° on your device? As for mine never passed 38° and I live in a hot country(Brazil).
I Agree with installing a custom Kernel to improve your performance overall, but right know the best optimized ROM is still MIUI as many threads here suggest.

Gonime said:
3GB of RAM has not been fine for some time now, there is a lot of games you wouldn't be able to multitask with any other application with only 3GB.
Few examples: TES Blades, Fortnite, PS2 emulation.
Also what are you doing to reach 40° on your device? As for mine never passed 38° and I live in a hot country(Brazil).
I Agree with installing a custom Kernel to improve your performance overall, but right know the best optimized ROM is still MIUI as many threads here suggest.
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thats my point, 3gb is enough for games as long as you dont multi task. and this phone is mid range.
im in Philippines, room temperature here is about 37° heavy games like pubg makes my phone temperature skyrocket reaching up to 45° especially with thermal mod.
btw MIUI has the worst ram management for this phone. its closing background apps like no tomorrow, but on any custom rom its actually quite decent.

Rifaldi34 said:
i bought this phone last week, i am not satisfied with this phone, it gets hot when browsing, lag when playing games(because of the unstable high speed clock), i checked using the aida64 app and the big cores clock speed easily reach 2.2 ghz speed. that was unnecessary, even after turning the battery saver mode, the cores still easily touch 2.2 ghz. i already discussed this on the indonesian mi community, but then i got bullied, people saying it was my fault, not the phone. but there was many thread that complains about lag when playing games and bad battery life. i supose that was because the bad management of cpu cores.
note : i bought this phone in indonesia, with TAM (official) warranty
my rom is currently on the 10.3.6.0(PFGMIXM)
3+32GB model.
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Im on the same boat with you bro.
Just Dont bother the hardcore mi fans, especially indonesian mi fans, i know they are jackass sometimes (well Not all of them)
Yes the firmware is really not optimize, battery usage is really inconsistent (typical not optimize firmware)
All we can do is wait for the new OTA.
Strangely the PRO variant get more updated frequently (check official mi website)
But for us indonesian, we are stuck with NON PRO version if we want to use Official waranty hardware.
Good luck

here's how one maximizes their chipsets potential.
1. unlock thy bootloader
2. install custom ROM and kernel
3. ...
4. profit

Gonime said:
It's very commom for any Snapdragon device to reach top clock speed when in use, download CPU-z and do a little scrolling to see that.
The lag in games you're getting is most probably because of the 3GB RAM of your variant not the CPU as SD660 can handle most mobile games with ease.
About battery life, how much SOT are you getting? RN7 should handle at least 6hrs with some heavy gaming included.
And about temperature, how much degrees is your device peaking at? Anything below 38ºC should be fine.
And lastly, about mi community......well, most people there look like VERY inexperienced users, i wouldn't take them as a parameter to prove your point.
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aron11195 said:
3gb of ram is good enough for gaming unless ur playing a heavy game while on youtube and facebook at the same time. the problem with this phone is the aggressive thermal throttling, once the phone reaches 40°c the phone becomes noticeably slower.
my advice to OP is unlock ur bootloader flash some custom rom, custom kernel and root ur device until you find the performance/battery ur looking for.
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Gonime said:
3GB of RAM has not been fine for some time now, there is a lot of games you wouldn't be able to multitask with any other application with only 3GB.
Few examples: TES Blades, Fortnite, PS2 emulation.
Also what are you doing to reach 40° on your device? As for mine never passed 38° and I live in a hot country(Brazil).
I Agree with installing a custom Kernel to improve your performance overall, but right know the best optimized ROM is still MIUI as many threads here suggest.
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aron11195 said:
thats my point, 3gb is enough for games as long as you dont multi task. and this phone is mid range.
im in Philippines, room temperature here is about 37° heavy games like pubg makes my phone temperature skyrocket reaching up to 45° especially with thermal mod.
btw MIUI has the worst ram management for this phone. its closing background apps like no tomorrow, but on any custom rom its actually quite decent.
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sampit76 said:
Im on the same boat with you bro.
Just Dont bother the hardcore mi fans, especially indonesian mi fans, i know they are jackass sometimes (well Not all of them)
Yes the firmware is really not optimize, battery usage is really inconsistent (typical not optimize firmware)
All we can do is wait for the new OTA.
Strangely the PRO variant get more updated frequently (check official mi website)
But for us indonesian, we are stuck with NON PRO version if we want to use Official waranty hardware.
Good luck
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vexa said:
here's how one maximizes their chipsets potential.
1. unlock thy bootloader
2. install custom ROM and kernel
3. ...
4. profit
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Thanks for all your reply, i apreciated it. probably i will wait until miui 11 released, and if the phone still gets hot i will install custom rom and use EX kernel manager to disable input boost and limit the cpu.
for bullying in the mi community, i guess its just troll account ? or the xiaomi guy ? every thread about battery gets bullied by those person only.

5. Find out many bugs and instabilities
6. Start realizing custom roms are not mature yet
7. Go back to stock ROM ?

kennyk09 said:
5. Find out many bugs and instabilities
6. Start realizing custom roms are not mature yet
7. Go back to stock ROM
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not true .. i've been using PE (and revolutionX) and Havoc since mai.
After being on EvolutionX for more than a month, i switched to MIUI EU (coz i missed it) but then went back to trying havoc .. 2 weeks now ZERO problems no heat/lag whatsoever

kennyk09 said:
5. Find out many bugs and instabilities
6. Start realizing custom roms are not mature yet
7. Go back to stock ROM
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ever try miui.eu or masik?
these are very stable, miui-based custom ROMs with zero bloatware and better RAM management.
still a better ROM for people who want better performance / battery life on their xiaomi devices, but too afraid to live on the edge with AOSP ROMs.

AFAIK, that's called thermal-throttle/ing. When RN7 reach its peak performance and certain heat, to prevent overheat normally our device will slowing down its performance and it caused lags and fps drop for sure
I also encounter this problem when playing pubg even with smooth-ultra setting

Rayquaza said:
AFAIK, that's called thermal-throttle/ing. When RN7 reach its peak performance and certain heat, to prevent overheat normally our device will slowing down its performance and it caused lags and fps drop for sure
I also encounter this problem when playing pubg even with smooth-ultra setting
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and thermal throttling can be disabled by using a certain magisk module. although not recommended when ur playing for long period of time. i play max 3hrs highest temperature reached 45°c.

kennyk09 said:
5. Find out many bugs and instabilities
6. Start realizing custom roms are not mature yet
7. Go back to stock ROM
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It happened to me, custom roms aren't good for gaming then switched back to MIUI, when I play phone gets 45 C max, my battery gives 6 hours of straight online gaming, I'm on MIUI Global 10.3.5, Evira kernel 3.8.
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660 wasn't designed for battery efficiency. Still waiting for Franco Kernel, it might fix the issue. My Redmi Note 4x can last up to 10hrs SOT while my Redmi Note 7 can only reach 5hrs even with custom ROM+greenify installed.

The ****tiest phone i ever have, my another phone with 636 even perform better than this. Too many frame drop

rifrish said:
The ****tiest phone i ever have, my another phone with 636 even perform better than this. Too many frame drop
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lol get a good pc if you want to game with high fps.
just bought this phone since my Nexus 6p's battery died and it's really good. im constantly getting up to 10h+ of sot with normal usage.

nardow said:
lol get a good pc if you want to game with high fps.
just bought this phone since my Nexus 6p's battery died and it's really good. im constantly getting up to 10h+ of sot with normal usage.
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Nope. With moderate use I barely get 7, mostly 6. I got this sot by using apps like line, wa, instagram, youtube, browsing, downloading tons of file and one match playing pubg and pes.
I reach 8 to 9 hours sot only if i using wifi and playing videos constantly, minimum social media and no gaming.
Ofc people used their phone different each others. But, im sure they are having same battery drain. People talk about this so many times and everywhere. Ur case having 10+ sot like only happen 1:10 of all lavender users.
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The ****tiest phone i ever have, my another phone with 636 even perform better than this. Too many frame drop
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Its true continuous gaming on this phone (with stock miui) is bad. You will get smooth gameplay only in short term, like a one match pubg. Then it will start to lag because of heat. We need to keep the phone temp as cool as possible when used for gaming to get less frame drop. Example, playing close to a fan or inside a room with air conditioner on.
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AFAIK, that's called thermal-throttle/ing. When RN7 reach its peak performance and certain heat, to prevent overheat normally our device will slowing down its performance and it caused lags and fps drop for sure
I also encounter this problem when playing pubg even with smooth-ultra setting
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Yes, thermal throttle where the main reason. Its limit cpu whenever temp -read by system- reach 43/44 degree. A temp read by system are mostly not indicate the real temp. Besides, we have clockspeed max at 2.2Ghz, making our phone faster to heats up easilly. Thats why thermal throttling the cpu in such early time. (Its ruins gameplay, isnt it? :v)
If we look inside thermal-engine.conf on lavender, it use two sensor for detection and two step for throttling the cpu. First step it will limit clockspeed by 1,5Ghz and 1,9Ghz. Second step it will limit clockspeed by 1,1Ghz and 1,4Ghz. Because the temp gap between these step are only 1°, so mostly thermal-engine will going to limit clockspeed by 1,1Ghz and 1,4Ghz. Imagine play pubg with that clockspeed, lags and frame drop will occurs oftenly.
I've seen Mi 8 Lite with the same chipset playing pubg continously without any frame drop. I took its thermal-engine configuration and compare them with lavender.
Interestingly there are specified profiles for gaming and pubg are missing on lavender. Thus, both thermal-engine are really different. A same chipset should having same thermal at least. But, this show us that lavender thermal thingy are not being optimized yet while mi8 lite does already.
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5. Find out many bugs and instabilities
6. Start realizing custom roms are not mature yet
7. Go back to stock ROM
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Lol. Agreed XD
Im gonna Re-Unlock my bootloader for the third times and use custom rom when they fix Hals. Till then i stay on miui hoping miuidev did an improvisation with next update.

Question Any idea if 12.0 rom has better thermals than the 12.5 roms?

Has anyone compared if the 12.0 releases have better thermal performance as compared to the 12.5 release?
My K20Pro running on 12.0 is much cooler than my 11Ultra running 12.5. Sure, people have been saying that the snapdragon 888 runs hot but at the same time I've been seeing reports that other devices include the Redmi Note series are also experiencing heat issues after updating to 12.5.

Honestly for me heating has never been an issue, what do you think a good thermal would be like for you?

Probably like not reaching 39C for anything non-gaming or video calling activity?

Mine is not reaching it

Good for you. Many others are unfortunate like me

What is your room temp?

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Good for you. Many others are unfortunate like me
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I felt the same way. I used it for 2 days with 12.0.9 when i got the mi11ultra and i didnt feel the heat. When i updated to 12.5 e felt it.
wondering if its possible to downgrade without bootloader unlocked?

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What is your room temp?
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Room temp doesn't matter, not when it comes to the 11Ultra. With AC on at a comfy 24C as opposed to just a fan with a room temp of 29C its still the same heating issues just a matter of the ramp up time for heat.
xwonic said:
I felt the same way. I used it for 2 days with 12.0.9 when i got the mi11ultra and i didnt feel the heat. When i updated to 12.5 e felt it.
wondering if its possible to downgrade without bootloader unlocked?
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Damn, so its much better on 12.0.9? I'm going to flash 12.0.9 this weekend. AFAIK, downgrading either way will require a wipe and I think you'll need to unlock BL either way.

May be not what you are looking for, I rooted the phone for CustoMIUIzer tweak. I also installed Franco kernal and there I underclocked the kernal CPU by 25% (75% working) and optimized its GPU. This has dramatically improved the thermals and battery performance. Idle temp of the phone drops to 25C regularly. For the past one day, it has not reached 37C when doing routine browsing, calling and texting etc. The temp jumped to 40C during HD video playback, and once to 41C while playing angry birds. During quick charging at high ambient temp, it touched 44C once. Normally with the Mi quick wireless charger (80W), the temp variates between 40-43C.
Im yet to notice the anticipated drop in performance of the phone. For routine games and HD video playback, 75% performance of this beast is enough so far. It is as smooth as it is supposed to be.

hellodrsoul said:
May be not what you are looking for, I rooted the phone for CustoMIUIzer tweak. I also installed Franco kernal and there I underclocked the kernal CPU by 25% (75% working) and optimized its GPU. This has dramatically improved the thermals and battery performance. Idle temp of the phone drops to 25C regularly. For the past one day, it has not reached 37C when doing routine browsing, calling and texting etc. The temp jumped to 40C during HD video playback, and once to 41C while playing angry birds. During quick charging at high ambient temp, it touched 44C once. Normally with the Mi quick wireless charger (80W), the temp variates between 40-43C.
Im yet to notice the anticipated drop in performance of the phone. For routine games and HD video playback, 75% performance of this beast is enough so far. It is as smooth as it is supposed to be.
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Buy the fastest most expensive cpu on the market and then cripple it!?
You could have just bought a mid ranger and saved a pile of money.....

speedtripler said:
Buy the fastest most expensive cpu on the market and then cripple it!?
You could have just bought a mid ranger and saved a pile of money.....
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According to my daily use of the phone, I do not need the full processor power. Seventy-five percent power is enough for that. For some long tasks, such as reading a lengthy pdf or google maps on a road trip, even 50% CPU power may be enough, granting enhanced battery performance and heat management. For the most intensive tasks, I can restore it to its original might (or even overclock it for that matter) just by toggling a switch, if that shall be desired. Options are good to have. A software fix and aggressive management of heat officially by Xiaomi, the point here by OP, will be welcomed of course.

speedtripler said:
Buy the fastest most expensive cpu on the market and then cripple it!?
You could have just bought a mid ranger and saved a pile of money.....
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actually a snap865 is really really fast and more then capable of running everything except gamming in comparison, and if you don't game high 3d games then you don't need the full power of the snap888 which is 25% faster.
I actually paid 850€ for mostly the camera and the media comfort, so i have to agree with hellodrsoul, if your main goal is have a phone for this purposed(no hardcore gaming) then capping it is a good thing,
also yeah Xiaomi is lacking in the optimization department.
on March everyone was stating in news about the mi 11 ultra
World’s First Full Phase Change Heat Dissipation Technology​either it sucks or xiaomi software team is at blame.

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According to my daily use of the phone, I do not need the full processor power. Seventy-five percent power is enough for that. For some long tasks, such as reading a lengthy pdf or google maps on a road trip, even 50% CPU power may be enough, granting enhanced battery performance and heat management. For the most intensive tasks, I can restore it to its original might (or even overclock it for that matter) just by toggling a switch, if that shall be desired. Options are good to have. A software fix and aggressive management of heat officially by Xiaomi, the point here by OP, will be welcomed of course.
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The CPU is smart enough to not run at 100% when it's not necessary......

speedtripler said:
The CPU is smart enough to not run at 100% when it's not necessary......
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Yes, it generally is smart enough but it is overheating for some people. There, one has to intervene...

hellodrsoul said:
May be not what you are looking for, I rooted the phone for CustoMIUIzer tweak. I also installed Franco kernal and there I underclocked the kernal CPU by 25% (75% working) and optimized its GPU.....
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Hold on, Franco Kernel Manager you mean? I don't believe there's a custom kernel yet

lambstone said:
Hold on, Franco Kernel Manager you mean? I don't believe there's a custom kernel yet
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Yes, Franco Kernal manager. The link is https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.franco.kernel
You are right. There are no custom kernals available yet. But the FKM has the option to underclock the CPU and GPU and for me it works flawlessly.