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Hello, I've recieved my AT&T Tilt 8925 (Kais100) unit a week ago and ever since I've experienced awful battery performance. The item shipped new (not refurbished supposedly nor defective) and included a Samsung battery. I changed to Dutty's v3 ROM right away (flashing was successful, I also switched to radio version 1.27.12.27) and last night switched to Q-Mobile v1.2 to see if the ROM was the problem, but it persisted.
My battery drains extremely fast, even when the unit is off it drops 10% after 8 hours (overnight and also throughout the day, I'm leaving the unit at home while I solve this issue and it's always off). The unit does not have a SIM card inserted and the Phone function remains off, so does WiFi, Bluetooth, Beam, 3G, etc. It's also muted and has no alarms activated, nor background programs running (I'm currently running a freshly flashed Q-Mobile v1.2 ROM with a hard reset done as well).
I've read about battery perfomance extensively but haven't ever read about the battery discharging while the unit is off, and given the fact that I'm NOT using the phone functions, I barely believe this can be normal behaviour. I purchased 2 units from the same source and both are having similar issues with battery perfomance.
I'm currently testing a borrowed OEM Dynapack battery from a friend's Tilt to see if it shows the same behaviour as well to discard the possibility of a faulty unit. Note that I'm using the OEM 1A charger and leave the unit charging for several hours.
If the battery proves to be defective I'd have to get one (or contact the seller to see if he'd respond to the issue). Can someone recommend a cheap/reliable battery that could be bought online (eBay, etc.)?
Thank you very much! I hope that someone has a clue on this issue.
Best regards
Sebastian
Just to clarify, is the phone actually OFF, or is it in standby? If it's in standby, 10% after 8 hours wouldn't be unreasonable at all.
Uhm, it's on standby I guess (when I turn it on again it's instantaneous, not like when you soft reset the unit)...
I'm new to PDA phones, I had an IPAQ RX3715 before with WM2003SE and I could leave the unit off for days without battery drainage. However I may not be too familiarised with these new units' standby/off functioning. If in standby and with the Phone function off (meaning that the device has "nothing to do" other than being off) it's normal for the device to drain the battery so much I would be disappointed.
As a sidenote, my friend's Tilt is not draining while it's on standby being on the same conditions other than the fact that his unit has the Dynapack battery.
Regards!
Bat Drain
I have the same rom and the same problem. I was at the hospital all day i made two calls and about mid day my bat was at 30%. I think its duttys rom V3 causing the problems. Changing roms now.
I could be wrong, but I think your phone is fine, these devices just consume a lot of power. 10% over 8 hours would be totally normal in my opinion. Is that the main reason that leads you to think there is a problem with your phone? Have you ever had a pocket PC before that had better battery life? When I got my first PDA I thought the same thing, but I realized that they are not like normal cell phones, where you could just recharge once every couple of days. PDA's must be charged at least every night. If you use GPS or wi-fi a lot you're probably going to be charging sometime throughout the day as well. I just got into the habit of plugging it in every time I get into the car, and when I get home I plug it into either the computer or the wall charger. There are after market batteries available, but if you want a drastic increase in amp-hours, the battery is going to be bigger and it will require a new battery cover. This is totally unacceptable in my opinion, as the device is relatively large to begin with. My advice would be to only activate a radio if you are using it, and de-activate it when you are done. Also just get into a routine where you are charging it whenever possible. Another thing, I just flashed Dutty's V4 RTM, and I must say the increase in battery life was very noticeable. Don't let me confuse you, though. From the information you supplied, I really am not able to tell if there is a problem or not, so give some more information and examples of battery life so we can figure out if somethings wrong, or if you just aren't used to the amount of consumption of this type of device. Hope I could help. Cheers!
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I have the same rom and the same problem. I was at the hospital all day i made two calls and about mid day my bat was at 30%. I think its duttys rom V3 causing the problems. Changing roms now.
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Yeah that's not normal. You got any radios besides phone running throughout the day?
Thanks for your thorough reply. Picking on what you mentioned, it's true that I'm new to PDA Phones, as I mentioned I also own an iPAQ rx3715 with WM2003SE and my idea was to replace it. Judging the fact that PDA-only devices, to my eyes, are nowadays dying I thought I'd get me the latest and most complete device available WITH GPS, since I was using my iPAQ together with a GPS Bluetooth Receiver with much delight.
What I experienced with my previous device was that battery performance was never an issue, it did consume power as any PDA, but I didn't find myself worrying about it, it never dropped when off and it would last me several days.
Since I'm using my Tilt with the Phone function off I _thought_ it wouldn't need any power for anything... but it might be that these new devices, or the new WM6 architecture is different to that of WM2003SE/PDA only devices... I don't know, but it just sounds strange to me, although if it's normal I'll live with it- as you say, I'll have to be charging it 1-2 times a day.
On the one hand it would be good for me to know that my device is ok, but on the other hand it means that battery life isn't even close to what I expected... I had read people complaining about it but in general I tend not to be overly critic about the defects of devices... but it seems that it's the case. I meant not to use the phone features and thus I thought it wouldn't be consuming power on standby seeing that the phone should not be running anything on background...
Thank you again for your reply. If anybody else has a word on this I'd appreciate it.
Best regards
Just as an aside you will notice the battery life getting better after a couple weeks it seems the battery has to be conditioned so to speak. Also do you have any kind of push email on your phone as if you do that does use quite a bit of power, you might want to set it up as a pop3 account and set it to check emails every so often instead of getting them as soon as they come in.But I have amde it a habit to always use my charger whenever I am able to as these batteries seem to be happiest when topped off whenever possible.
Hello again, I'm still experiencing this problem and it seems not normal.
Simply put, I fully charge the device. I turn it off. It discharges by itself with all wireless functions off.
Today I did a hard suspend (keeping off pressed) with battery at 60%... when I turn the unit on 7 hours later the battery was at 6% with a critical warning sign.
I'm NOT using the device, I turn it on, use WiFI for 3-5 minutes then switch it off and put the device to suspend. I turn it on after a couple of hours, play with the menus and turn it off again. Just by doing that the battery drains by 10% every 5 hours or so, sometimes it won't even turn on due to battery drainage.
Is this NORMAL? I need to know if my unit or my battery is defective so I can return it to the seller in time...
Thanks, best regards
Sebastian
Battery life DOES seem to improve with time. The first day my battery wouldn't last for 5 hours! Keep charging your battery and letting it drain as much as you can (whether or not to let it fully drain is debatable), and I bet you'll see some guaranteed performance.
Also, what would help a lot is if you found and installed the Today plugin BatteryStatus and checked the "Show More indicators" option, and see what your battery drain was. The normal is between 150mA and 300mA when you're on the Today screen. Any more than that, and you most likely have a problem, assuming connections besides phone are off.
sounds normal to me, turning off you mean by pressing the button on the right side of unit? if so, mine is the same way
I'd say that was definitely not normal performance. On average, I use mine for at least an hour worth of talk time, an hour or two running TomTom, numerous SMSs, and at least a couple of hours reading books. I charge it every night, and the battery is generally running at around 50 to 60% by that time. I'm surprised at how quickly yours is draining.
I have an RX3715 inhabiting a drawer, and, while the battery life was a lot longer on that device, the battery was a lot larger, and the screen lower quality. The fact that it is not connected to a mobile network gives the battery a much longer life too. When I used it purely for TomTom, connecting to a bluetooth receiver, the battery faded very fast.
I've had a Kaiser since day one. I have found that adding a comm manager that allows forcing the phone to Edge give huge battery savings. In standby with the phone radio On and BT radio ON, WiFi OFF, my phone drops 4% over night very consistant. On Edge battery lasts days.
The only time I get fairly high battery consumption is streaming with 3G. Edge is so much more efficient on the battery, so if you don't need the speed, throttle down!
The only time I've ever found the phone Dead or close to dead after only a few hours on standby was when I had WiFi ON and the phone in standby. I can't pinpoint what exactly causes the condition, but when it occurs, the phone is HOT and the battery heavily drained in a short time. This has happened with both Hermes and Kaiser. I never leave WiFi ON when not needed, and have never seen severe battery drain since.
I do sometimes turn off all radios except WiFi, and then use wired ear buds and stream Slingbox video to the phone over my home WiFi LAN. I can get almost 4 hours of watching on a charge.
The battery should not be draining when powered off, but not much at all when put in sleep mode. Get yourself a replacement Testing.
As an aside, Alex's WM 6.1 BETA 2 has given me the best battery life of any rom. Only about 25% of the battery drains per day. With most other roms it's 50-100% per day.
Hello, thanks to everyone for your replies. It's strange because I've been doing lots of test, switching batteries (I have 4 units to test now) and I get inconsistent results... the 2 most problematic units were bought from the same eBay seller and got their ROMs changed the first day, the 3rd unit still has the AT&T ROM and was apparently not draining as fast. The problem is that the 2 first units seem to get battery drains overnight in flight mode of 10% and 2 times one of them got a 0% critical battery status just by being in standby and not in use (none of them are working as phones and have the function off)
The odd part is that for some reason this happens only sometimes, now I've switched to Sleuth's WM6.1 ROM and the problem is gone for now, I'm still at 90% since 2 nights ago having turned on GPS and WIFI for 5 minutes each 2-3 times... the other 2 units have been in standby from 100% charge and they haven't dropped either! And they're using the AT&T ROM and Q-Mobile v1.2 respectively... what kills me is that I cannot say what's wrong, cause I've swapped batteries, swapped chargers, swapped ROMs but cannot trace which is the problem (or if there's a problem at all)...
Perhaps it's normal for the unit to sometimes drain 10% after 8 hours of standby in flight mode and on other times remain at 90% for 2-3 days if not in use...
Thanks everyone for the read, I'd appreciate any comments
Regards
Sebastian
What radios are u using. Try changing radios
10% loss overnight in standby would be normal.
Does the unit get warm when you notice rapid drain?
I wonder about the "old" active sync problem - does the device show any running programs when you turn on?
In general you should expect to get a days worth of power using it for the odd call, perhaps an hour of wifi and perhaps an hour of prgram use. Of course all taht is very variable but I generally get away with a charge once a day. Occasionally, I take it from it's holder and it's warm to touch, but usually it's 'cos I've forgotten and left something like tomtom running.
Mike
I received my new lg g watch r yesterday and so far as much as I'd like to use it it won't last long at all off the charger. Got it at 30% and it up out of the box. Whilst trying to charge the watch it was losing charge whilst on the cradle.
It was at 90 percent this morning and within less than 30 minutes it was at 32 percent.
I've factory reset the watch and factory reset the nexus 5 it's paired to and both running stock up to date software but still horrific battery drain. It's draining faster then the charger can charge it?
Any help would be greatly appreciated as I don't want to return this shock peace of kit
Sounds like you need a replacement - if both devices are totally stock, and it can't even provide enough power to charge, there might be an electrical short within the watch.
Yeah thats not right, yesterday i took off charge at 7am 100% screen on all day, lots of fiddling, it died at 1.20 am. so 18 hours use. Sounds like you have a duff battery.
I used to have bad battery life. I would get about 12 hours with my device. When I got it, I played heavily with it, and ended up enabling bluetooth debugging. I didn't think much of it, but later when trying to solve my battery issues, I disabled bluetooth debugging and now I get about 2.5-3 days of battery life! Before discovering this, I tried switching to digital watch faces, no weather, steps, etc on watch faces, but that barely affected battery life. The bluetooth debugging though, if I enable that again, the watch dies in 12 hours again. It's a huge difference for me, not sure how bad it is for others, but be aware that this can impact battery life quite dramatically.
Im not sure if im correct but i guess you have let it at least 4-6 hours for the 1st charge (by this you increase battery life ) so my opinion is to call lg and exchange it because the lg gives 1,5 days of battery life
Hello!
I think I'm going to buy the XZ1 Compact in the next days and there's only one last thing I need to be sure of, it's about the phone's battery life.
I saw people here on XDA posting screenshot with 5-10h screen on time.
Some people told me that it can beat the OnePlus 5, the Galaxy S8 and even some Huawei high-end phones battery life times, is this real?
I will come from a Galaxy S6 which had a really poor battery life, I had to carry an external battery all day long, just in case...
So, will this phone lasts at least one full day before getting charged again?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
I charge mine every 2 or 3 days, in that time i have around 4h screen on time. I guess it will depend on your mobile signal strength, but i would say that is very easy for this phone to last a full day.
Everyone's usage pattern differs, I think standardized tests like GSMArena's gives a better point of reference, you can compare results with other phones.
Just to give an example of how analytical data from users will wildly differ, my phone can rarely last more than a day on one charge, but then again I play games and browse cat pics for hours, so it's to be expected.
As a student ,I use my XZ1 every 5 min while studying,and I record my phone's charge every day by evernote.I find it can be using for 8～9 hours a day without long time gaming.And I can play Arena of valor for 3 hours and it only took 20 percent of battery.That's really much better than my last iPhone 6.Last by not least,I charge it one time a day.And I can't leave my phone alone every 5 min.
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Everyone's usage pattern differs, I think standardized tests like GSMArena's gives a better point of reference, you can compare results with other phones.
Just to give an example of how analytical data from users will wildly differ, my phone can rarely last more than a day on one charge, but then again I play games and browse cat pics for hours, so it's to be expected.
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Well on GSMArena, they say the phone will last 108h, that's better than almost all high-end phones like S8, OP5, etc...
The two last comments scares me a little, as I can see, the phone doesn't really last a day with heavy usage :crying:
but on some websites, like GSMArena, they say it can survive a heavy day without any problems
But I'm a student too so I'll be using the phone for a couple of minutes every hour (when switching classes, checking social medias), during the breaks and when going back home (I will be listening to music and browing a little bit) and I'll be charging the phone before going to sleep (to have it fully charged for the next day)
My Galaxy S6 doesn't even pass 3h screen on time on a single day, so if the phone can last at least 5h screen on time on a single day, I think it will be okay for me
I'm pretty sure this phone will meet (and likely exceed) your expectations with your usage, you can probably even manage 2 days without charging.
Everyone else seems to be getting great battery life on this phone, but mine is mediocre. It seems that bluetooth is draining a lot of battery when I have it on and connected. I also have a ton of wakelocks and alarms according to Better Battery Stats and GSam. Everything is coming from Android OS and Android System, and the drain has persisted through multiple clean installs.
Previous phones that I've used in the same way with the same apps haven't had these issues. I'm not sure if this is an Oreo issue or a problem specific to the XZ1c, but I've had to charge my phone before the end of the day many times in the 2 months I've owned it.
My expectation for a phone is that it should last at least 18 hours with 3-4 hours SOT before it hits 20%, which is when I always charge to preserve battery health, so I'm more focused on standby time than SOT. I can get decent SOT with this phone, but the wakelocks and bluetooth destroy my standby time.
Edit: Finally sorted out one of the issues; it was this app that was constantly waking my phone: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.iboalali.sysnotifsnooze&hl=en
my battery life has been absolutely beyond anything i've ever seen on android, fwiw. i charged my phone at 3pm today (thursday) having not previously charged it since monday night, and it still had 15%. generally get around 6-7 hours SOT and only drains 2 or 3% overnight.
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Everyone else seems to be getting great battery life on this phone, but mine is mediocre. It seems that bluetooth is draining a lot of battery when I have it on and connected. I also have a ton of wakelocks and alarms according to Better Battery Stats and GSam. Everything is coming from Android OS and Android System, and the drain has persisted through multiple clean installs.
Previous phones that I've used in the same way with the same apps haven't had these issues. I'm not sure if this is an Oreo issue or a problem specific to the XZ1c, but I've had to charge my phone before the end of the day many times in the 2 months I've owned it.
My expectation for a phone is that it should last at least 18 hours with 3-4 hours SOT before it hits 20%, which is when I always charge to preserve battery health, so I'm more focused on standby time than SOT. I can get decent SOT with this phone, but the wakelocks and bluetooth destroy my standby time.
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What bluetooth devices do you have connected?
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What bluetooth devices do you have connected?
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Pebble (which I use 24/7) and my car system.
I was looking to change my current Z3C due to bluetooth issues. But it seems it is not yet the time to change to XZ1C. Looks like needs to be waiting till 8.1.
I had S4mini with 4.4.4 kitkat, so using with car audio (not for musing just for hands free phone calls) the phone would not go to deep sleep while connected to car hands free. The phone will deplete battery within 3-4 hours of driving by half.
SO changed to Z3C. At start it was 4.4.4 kitekat. No problem with hands free. Later bought MS Band2. There were some bluetooth issues, but not much. Than also bought MOOV NOW. So after syncing this device the phone was not going deep sleep. But as I was using it just once in a week (fro swimming tracking or cycling), restart was solving issue till next sync.
Than updated to MM 6.0.1. Thee was even less issues.
Now have bought garmin Vivoki and Vivoactive 3, instead of MSD Band 2. With Vivoki paired - 50% of time is not in deep sleep. Tried reverting to 5.1.1 or 4.4.4 - so 75% is in awake state...
So could solve only unpairing Vivoki and pairing to other phone and keep bluettoh for second phone off. Now with just Vivoactive 3 connected it is quite ok. But still time after time now phone does not go to deep sleep while connected to car hands free...
Bluetooth looks quite lame overall on android. A lot of possibilities, but a lot of issues.
Thanks everyone for your replies.
I won't be using Bluetooth that much anyway, I bought a Gear S3 from Samsung and I don't think it will be fully compatible with my future XZ1 (I'm planning to buy it for the next days) so I guess I'll just connect the watch to sync the heartbeat sensor data with the phone and that's all.
Just having gear S3 connected to XZ1 might be enough to have a lot of wakelocks (if you will be unlucky)... Unless you will not keep bluetooth always on. Than no problem in any case.
You never know with bluetooth. Some pairs of 2 devices work perfectly, some do not.
I'm back, I received my XZ1 today !!! I'm doing all the updates and stuff right now before going to sleep
had trouble getting the battery to night only in very particular environments where signal was crappy and phone had to maximize GSM antenna power thus draining battery but in such case every phone would suffer so yes, it has a great battery life.
my only complain is about deep sleep which is easy to ruin. the sw should be optimized to keep an eye on background draining apps
Hi,
I have same problem with my battery life, it's quite fitfully.
I've checked that my battery can stand 3 days and 7h of screen on, but on the other hand sometimes my battery only can stand 1 days and 2'5h of screen on.
I make a very undemanding and very similar daily use of the XZ1 Compact
I have my xz1 Compact totally updated: Firmware v.47.1.A.12.119 PlayStore v.9.4.18 and disabled all of uncommon scannings (Wi-Fi,BT,Location,etc..)
My router has 2.4ghz band only enabled and WPA-PSK security, during the night I specially have good and strong Wi-Fi signal in XZ1 Compact.
So...Does anyone know what may be happening? I really appreciate your help.
Thanks.
Hi All,
So I've had the Rog Phone 2 since it's release in the UK. To be honest, I'm not planning to upgrade for another 2-3 years as it runs everything I want (mainly with emulation).
Now unlike iPhones or Samsung product, there is NO WAY to arrange a battery replacement officially. So what I'm looking for is advice on how to preserve the battery health so I am not forced to upgrade. For me, the worst time is when I have to charge the phone twice a day (so far the battery seems to hold up for me).
So just wanted to check if anyone shares the same feeling as me? I use Asus's 'Battery Care' option which charges the phone from 0-80 percent up until the 'end time' you set where it will charge the last 20 percent so that it doesn't stay on 100% for too long. Hopefully this will extend the health as much as it can. But does anyone else have anymore advice to help preserve the battery health? (gosh, I miss those days where I could change the battery of the phone easily)...
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Hi All,
So I've had the Rog Phone 2 since it's release in the UK. To be honest, I'm not planning to upgrade for another 2-3 years as it runs everything I want (mainly with emulation).
Now unlike iPhones or Samsung product, there is NO WAY to arrange a battery replacement officially. So what I'm looking for is advice on how to preserve the battery health so I am not forced to upgrade. For me, the worst time is when I have to charge the phone twice a day (so far the battery seems to hold up for me).
So just wanted to check if anyone shares the same feeling as me? I use Asus's 'Battery Care' option which charges the phone from 0-80 percent up until the 'end time' you set where it will charge the last 20 percent so that it doesn't stay on 100% for too long. Hopefully this will extend the health as much as it can. But does anyone else have anymore advice to help preserve the battery health? (gosh, I miss those days where I could change the battery of the phone easily)...
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For my practice, I usually charge my ROG2 from 30% to 80-85%. I use electrical timer which I set 2 hours at night when I am sleeping. The power output is 12W (5V 2.4A). When I get up I usually have 75-85% battery level depends on 25-35% when I go to sleep.
Since it only charge up to 80% when I get up and I play games as well, therefore I need to charge it at about 4pm. At that time I will use stock ASUS charger which provide 30W output.
I also use Tasker to set battery level Alert. So most of time I won't charge to 100%.
I know this watch just came out but I'm thinking about getting the LTE version of the larger size. Does anyone know if LTE is completely disabled will the watch get the same battery life as the Bluetooth only model? I don't really have current plans of using it but would like it there if I change my mind. Maybe someone has a similar experience with one of the other galaxy watches?
I have the LTE version and have not activated it with a carrier. With AOD and screen brightness maxed, no power saving or other optimization....I have 63% battery left and it tells me 1 day, 4.5 hours remaining. I have the larger 45mm watch. That's basically no active use outside a couple of notifications.
I think my wifi is off and watch is connected via bluetooth to phone. You should easily get a day, but probably not nearly two days. But note this is accomplished mainly by limiting you to 15% brightness in DIM mode. It's only a 340mah battery. Seems to take about two hours to fully charge.