Hi all,
Now that Nokia have confirmed they are not rolling out Android 10 to the original Nokia 8, it's time for me to look into another option: a non-Google AOSP variant.
I've done a bit of searching and reading up, but not much. I think it's not possible to have what I would like, which is:
AOSP based on Android 10, no Google Apps, but with the Google Play Store.
My understanding is that the Play Store requires Google Play Services, and I really, really want to get away from that with all its data privacy invasion and the contagion it's spreading out to other aspects of my phone.
So, my questions are:
1. What's the best AOSP variant based on Android 10 that has no Google that will work on an original Nokia 8?
2. Is there any non-Google app store that will have the likes of banking apps and other such confidential data sensitive apps, and is also likely to have some of the other apps I need?
Thanks in advance,
Ian J.
First of all, we wont be having android 10. It may be possible with T-virus but not until Sirocco gets android 10.
There is another replica of playstore called Aurora store. It have everything that play store have. Aurora store is available on F-droid.
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You could use any AOSP / AOKP or any other variant of GSI that suits you alongside with T-Virus of course to gain Treble capabilities and use MicroG instead of Google Framework. It's a fully open-source reimplementation of google services that's not as invasive as Googles solution but also lacks support and compability in many cases. I did not use it with Nokia 8 but I'm pretty much sure it will work just fine. Back when I had it on my previous phone it did improve battery life by alot but also had issues with GPS / Loc. because of Googles proprietary solution being not embedded in such projects. You've gotta setup Deja Vu by Mozilla or Apple backend for GPS which work just fine too.
You can find out more in here: https://microg.org/
As store replacement you've got Aurora, Yalp and FakeStore.apk (it's a frontend for MicroG.. at least it used to work)
Many thanks for the replies.
I'm not sure I need the Location services, I'm not interested in any application having access to my location other than TomTom's Go app for driving and GPS Status for just that, the status of the GPS, and they only need the built in GPS.
As for Project Treble, is that required? I would have thought that in order to take advantage of it, a phone would need to be quite cosy with Google in order to get the OS updates.
I will check out the suggested app stores to see what they have, and see what apps I currently use that might be missing so I can see if I can live with alternatives.
Ian
Ian J. said:
Hi all,
Now that Nokia have confirmed they are not rolling out Android 10 to the original Nokia 8, it's time for me to look into another option: a non-Google AOSP variant.
I've done a bit of searching and reading up, but not much. I think it's not possible to have what I would like, which is:
AOSP based on Android 10, no Google Apps, but with the Google Play Store.
My understanding is that the Play Store requires Google Play Services, and I really, really want to get away from that with all its data privacy invasion and the contagion it's spreading out to other aspects of my phone.
So, my questions are:
1. What's the best AOSP variant based on Android 10 that has no Google that will work on an original Nokia 8?
2. Is there any non-Google app store that will have the likes of banking apps and other such confidential data sensitive apps, and is also likely to have some of the other apps I need?
Thanks in advance,
Ian J.
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For alternative play store. U can try "apkpure". I use it on my other devices where there are no gappa installed.
I've looked into the apps available elsewhere and unfortunately such things as banking apps, and tomtom navigation and the like, aren't available widely if at all. Therefore it looks like my next phone will be an Apple iPhone as that at least is more likely to be private from Google's spying play services. I won't use an iPhone for media playback though, they're useless for that. I'll retain the Nokia 8 and remove the sim card, and use it as an MP3 player.
Ian J. said:
I've looked into the apps available elsewhere and unfortunately such things as banking apps, and tomtom navigation and the like, aren't available widely if at all. Therefore it looks like my next phone will be an Apple iPhone as that at least is more likely to be private from Google's spying play services. I won't use an iPhone for media playback though, they're useless for that. I'll retain the Nokia 8 and remove the sim card, and use it as an MP3 player.
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Well hello there, to anyone who's reading this.
Warning: This is not completely connected to Xperia Z, and neither is this just a troubleshooting thread, but it definitely contains some of both. Do not mistake this thread for hate-talk, fanboy-flame, or any other nonconstructive negative talk. This thread could fit in more than a few sections, but I decided to start it here, as it does concern Xperia Z. If mods decide it's not fit to be in Xperia Z Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting section - so be it. We'll sort it out, somehow.
Now, let's get to the point.
Google. A company that cares about its users' (privacy) - not. Up until now, I haven't had any major complaint about Google and their evil doings business strategy, as it hadn't been affecting me - well, at least not directly. But, I've finally come across something that-is-oh-so-Facebook-like that I can't understand why it's not there. A basic function that is missing from the big, complex picture (such as nonexistent native Android support for deleting all phone contacts with a single click). The basic function I'm talking about here is the ability to completely remove/detach device from a Google account. I had (still have, but will be passing it to a family member) an Xperia Arc that I connected to my Google account, but now I have Z, so I no longer need/want to have my old LT15i listed under the devices I own. I know there is a function to hide phones that are no longer in use from appearing in Play Store, but that's not what I (and an army of other angry Google users) want.
Okay, this is not the biggest problem the world has clashed with. I could live with just hiding phones I don't use anymore. But another problem emerged. This is where I could use some help of the awesome xda expert community here. My Z is attached to my G account, obviously. Well, at least it was. Ever since I updated phone to FW .67, Google doesn't list my phone in Play Store. But it's there under Dashboard section. In fact, there are two C6603s listed there - my Z before("last seen on Sep 25th") and after("last seen on Oct 13th" [today]) .67 update. The problem is, Play Store sees only the version before the update, and deliberately refuses to refresh the list to correspond to the current situation.
And how does that reflect in the reality?
If I click on "Install" and choose C6603 as the target device, the app never reaches the phone, of course.
I'm guessing the problem here is that the Google (for some reason) have different IMEIs listed for the two entries of my Xperia Z.
--> What I'm asking here is if anyone knows how to force Play Store to list my phone as it is now, at this moment, to reflect what's on Dashboard, so I can install apps using Play Store site.
Also, if you could please refrain from posts such as "don't use play store", and "just download apps through phone app".
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Aside from the above, there is one more problem I'm facing concerning Play Store app, which is far more frustrating and annoying.
I used to have two accounts linked to Z. I decided to completely get rid of the first one and only use the second one. But now the apps that I have downloaded with the first account refuse to appear under My Apps list, so I have to use 3rd party apps (AppBrain, in my case) to be notified of updates of unlisted apps. Even after a factory reset and TiBu restore, Play Store app refuses to show all my installed apps on the corresponding list (this method worked before with my Xperia Arc).
Does anyone know how to permanently attach the missing apps to the Play Store app?
Thanks in advance to anyone who didn't find this tl;dr and decide to help!
Try using market doctor from TiBu for restoring links to your account
Paid apps will never change to your other account though. You should really contact Google customer service for that.
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I have already tried that, and I know that paid apps won't reattach. I need some other ideas here.
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I currently use Waze on Android Auto. I do not like Google Maps. Is there any other GPS App that works on Android Auto? Example: TomTom
No..
really
very useful and helpful thread
thanks
Google doesn't allow other offline GPS apps on android auto.
There is a lot of information about this issue.
It seems that Google wants to back their own ****y Google maps and collect/mine all information possible, probably for their autonomous car project.
Apple was in the same position but they have finally allowed sygic in carplay.
Google is being sued in Italy for monopoly and banning other apps from android auto.
We all hope that sygic and tomtom are soon allowed, but Google hoy their own plans which care nothing about users.
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It seems that Google wants to back their own city Google maps and collect/mine all information possible, probably for their autonomous car project.
Very Very Useful thread Thanks The For Information.
android auto
No google doesn't allow GPS apps in android auto.
I use Waze in Android Auto, much better than Google Maps
JoTeC said:
I use Waze in Android Auto, much better than Google Maps
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You do know that Google owns Waze, right? Its just a different UI on the same product.
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You do know that Google owns Waze, right? Its just a different UI on the same product.
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I did not know, thank you. I wonder what the reasoning is for 2 different map programs is? One is clearly light years above the other in the user interface.
Hello
I have tested on carplay and sygic work beautiful, no data connection, no extra heat on my 6s iphone. Unfortunately i use everyday an android phone, who not allows using offline navigation in AA. Shame!!!
I have asked some people around about modify or adapt some navigation apk to be added in AA. The answer was no. Application that work in AA are signed by google, white listed in PlayServices and so on... No alternatives. That`s freedom of choice; choice of developer.
Now that android auto has a new ui, i have an idea to somehow use other gps software..
In new ui, android auto is starting in waze screen (if not to all, it is probably a settings choise for this).
So, if we use aa mirroring app, perhaps if we rename android auto mirroring app to waze app (inside the code the Internal name of aa mirroring) then perhaps aa mirroring will auto start, so if we have another gps app running it will show instead of waze..
I haven't try it yet, if i do i will post if the idea does work.
I just had the idea and wanted to share..
I don't know if anyone understand my idea. English is not my native language. I can't describe it better..
Hi, have you found a solution to have other gps in android auto without going through aa mirror ?
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Icarplay
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Troll. Way off topic for an Android Auto forum. Do you have anything constructive to add?
It was some discussion about TomTom Navigation maybe we can use in carplay. But until now no new information.
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Yup, I have Waze and TomTom working - although every time I click on an address using acalendar+ waze tells me it can't find the address... and I have no idea how to turn down the waze volume either
Hello I work in android auto Google.
Tom tom amigo and sygic.
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Yes! Its really useful...
I was sure Osmand worked in android auto... am I mistaken?
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This is possibly the first review of a commercial Honor Magic 3 Pro+.
I got english subtitles. Ask questions, I'll post more photos taken with Pro+ and upload a comparison with P50 Pro later.
How can i update Honor magic 3 pro China Variant with magic UI 6 outside of China?
Hilpolith RothsChild said:
How can i update Honor magic 3 pro China Variant with magic UI 6 outside of China?
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It will automatically come.
But if you want to keep your gms installed, better don't update.
After update gms install becomes impossible, and every time you successfully install it, the device will automatically reboot and uninstall it.
Hi, there! Does anyone know where I can get honor magic 3 pro plus update tracker? It's been a long time I dont get any security update and I wonder if there's something wrong. My device is running on Magic UI 6.0.0.125
No google services in an easy way for the Magic 3 pro+ yet?
fabiooli said:
No google services in an easy way for the Magic 3 pro+ yet?
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Hey man.
I've been using Honor Magic 3 Pro without gms for a long time now.
Actually haven't had any problems.
Most of the apps work normally without gms, and u can install them from Aurora Store.
YouTube has Vanced Extended.
Even sign in with Google works on most apps nowadays, through Huawei browser.
For other apps Just use gbox.
It has custom version of all gms apps. That installs like a original app, and gives you full functionality.
And for apss that really require gms and standalone apps are not available from gbox, install on gbox and install a shortcut.
Use a few days and you won't even feel the lack of Gms, except on many rare occasions.
And gbox customer support is good. On WhatsApp you can contact them, and if u have the skills, you can customize any standalone app integrated with gbox, with their instructions.
And for the rare occasions that gbox glitches, like on biometrics, use gspace for those apps.
And I've even found a easy way to enable backups for WhatsApp on drive using your device.
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Does anyone here have the Honor Magic 3 pro+ (or 3 ultimate) and got the android 13 update?
AxomiaHoiMoi said:
Hey man.
I've been using Honor Magic 3 Pro without gms for a long time now.
Actually haven't had any problems.
Most of the apps work normally without gms, and u can install them from Aurora Store.
YouTube has Vanced Extended.
Even sign in with Google works on most apps nowadays, through Huawei browser.
For other apps Just use gbox.
It has custom version of all gms apps. That installs like a original app, and gives you full functionality.
And for apss that really require gms and standalone apps are not available from gbox, install on gbox and install a shortcut.
Use a few days and you won't even feel the lack of Gms, except on many rare occasions.
And gbox customer support is good. On WhatsApp you can contact them, and if u have the skills, you can customize any standalone app integrated with gbox, with their instructions.
And for the rare occasions that gbox glitches, like on biometrics, use gspace for those apps.
And I've even found a easy way to enable backups for WhatsApp on drive using your device.
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it worked fine, not as smooth as I expected but it's great. did you get the android 13 update?
fabiooli said:
it worked fine, not as smooth as I expected but it's great. did you get the android 13 update?
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Nope, no Android 13 update.
Yup about the smoothness, when things don't work, it won't work. Just give up, otherwise when it works, it works fine.
is there any chance to get google timeline working on VivoX70+Pro.
i install google maps on chinese version navigation works.
but i cant activate timeline.
mrazzido said:
is there any chance to get google timeline working on VivoX70+Pro.
i install google maps on chinese version navigation works.
but i cant activate timeline.
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Make sure Location History is on
Salaabda said:
Make sure Location History is on
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i make everything on , but i doenst work.
hope there is some answer soon
thanks
Hi,
You can install google map in google play store and allow localtion permission on app setting. That's it work for map than chiness map version.
no luck after more than 3 months Y_Y
wertsacovivo said:
no luck after more than 3 months Y_Y
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Timeline works, enable google account and gmaps, give all necessary permissions and then on location.
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Timeline works, enable google account and gmaps, give all necessary permissions and then on location.
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I've been going crazy for months but it doesn't work for me.
I also tried to install google maps & services via ourplay from vivo store (ourplay creates a sandbox), in which version of map the timeline is active but does not record my movements.
ive upgeaded to Ocean by OTA
Forget the sandbox. You may be aware that it is highly unlikely that one phone has a timeline and the other doesn't and the hardware or the system is the cause.
The more probable cause is your google account or settings. Therefore, I advise you to first check if your device is GPlay certified in settings. If not, you should achieve it by adjusting your google account (on a computer) or reset the phone.
Another useful approach is checking the timeline on other phone (or tablet). You may borrow one if you don't have it. If hte timeline works, the problem lies in your phone, otherwise in the google settings.
It doesn't work for me. Device side problem as it works on other android tablet.
maxant69 said:
It doesn't work for me. Device side problem as it works on other android tablet.
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Did you check if you're device is google play certified? If yes, check settings and permissions. If it doesn't help, try to factory reset the phone and set everything from scratch.
I don't have the button for the verification from the play store, but only an application verification
But you do see "device is certified" under the Google Play - Settings - About?
I can't turn on location history either. It just has in Italics "Location History is off"
Can't select any toggle to turn it on.
In play store it shows my Device is certified.
History works fine on my other devices.
Live View for walking directions is also always greyed out on my Vivo for some reason.
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But you do see "device is certified" under the Google Play - Settings - About?
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Yes is certified
fabrixx said:
Yes is certified
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Inspecting the issue thoroughly, I found that the location history actually doesn't work. The reason that I was mistaken is the fact that I use a dedicated car dongle in order to have Android Auto. And all time history I have has been plotted with this device. Last month I was travelling and got zero timeline.
I tried to enable it and totally failed. As it can be seen from the attached picture, my phone is not and can't be included in the location history.
I searched the web and found the probable reason. Chinese Vivo doesn't have full Google framework, only basic. Hence, it can't communicate with Google servers in full. That's why we can't make backup as well.
Actually, I don't miss the location history on the phone that much. But if someone is interested, there is an instruction to enable it here:
[FIX] [All Amazon tablets] Enable/Fix Google Location Services [MARCH 2019]
****UPDATE MARCH 7, 2019:**** If the guide below doesn't work for you, see additional instructions at the end. This seems to be a huge problem for many users...location services not working when the Google Play store is installed. I have found a...
forum.xda-developers.com
Of course, it is for a rooted device. But there is a slight chance enabling it without the root. The most important is getting the full Google service framework to the phone.
Otherwise, I guess, we are out of luck.
The non complete framework is the reason why many google features don't work:
- android auto;
- location history;
- google backup;
- "OK Google" voice activation.
Thanks for the explanations on the problem.
I tried to download the apk files.
Already the first on the list does not install due to a security exception.
I also tried to download the latest versions but I have the same error.
Any solution without Root?
Interested in solve this problem
Was about to pull the trigger on the Vivo when I saw this on Wondamobile.
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I use gpay for all my card transactions - do I understand it correctly that it will not work on the pro+ and thus won't be able to use the phone for transactions?
That would be a total deal-breaker for me!
It does work, however google play itself will not update itself, so then google wallet stops working and you need to get google play from a third party website to update it. For wallet to work play services and play store need to be on same update level.
There's plenty of small google problems usually not mentioned, and then no one can guarantee that google doesn't require wallet to be a system app in future..
Google likely will go harder on this as many governments require them to make apps optional from Android and they could avoid it by just making them working as a system app forcing manufacturers to include them. It's a strategy google has clearly added to lately due to court decisions in various countries.
So right now it works, but with any google service on Chinese phones future versions full working gets less likely.
You can see on older vivo phones it often stopped working for some days to weeks too. Cannot count on it working though so far it mainly did.
I have Google Wallet (Google Pay) working fine for me once I enabled Google services.
Haven't had an issue with it (I'm in Australia).
br3tty said:
I have Google Wallet (Google Pay) working fine for me once I enabled Google services.
Haven't had an issue with it (I'm in Australia).
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Works for me too (Netherlands)
thanks. I'm in the UK. Perhaps they just forgot to update their page after Vivo firmware fixed the issue
Haskren said:
thanks. I'm in the UK. Perhaps they just forgot to update their page after Vivo firmware fixed the issue
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It never was an issue. I guess it's just a standard text they copied.
Google pay works fine for me in the uk
Google pay works fine for me in FR
No Google Pay issues for me in Singapore ( Vivo X90 Pro + (V2227A 12GB/512GB)
No problem to Greece too..i think they put it on Wonda just to be safe if its not working on someone.
is there a way to quick access the gpay screen from the phone being off(not off but locked etc)..and does one need that to be on it to make a payment? or just keep NFC on?
rudabb said:
is there a way to quick access the gpay screen from the phone being off(not off but locked etc)..and does one need that to be on it to make a payment? or just keep NFC on?
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Did you find a way to get a quick access when the phone is locked?
I have not been able to add my bank card to Google wallet on this phone - no issues on the old phone.
This is the answer from the bank
So - is this a UK issue or just my bank picking up on issues with the phone?
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Did you find a way to get a quick access when the phone is locked?
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No..but I realized that if my phone is unlocked through smart unlocked(while on me) all I have to do is tap the device on the machine and it works.I don't need to be in the app...
If you want to be in the app,I think there is an off screen shortcut where you can assign the app for it. It's the volume down button
Haskren said:
I have not been able to add my bank card to Google wallet on this phone - no issues on the old phone.
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This is the answer from the bankView attachment 5849513
So - is this a UK issue or just my bank picking up on issues with the phone?
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Can you add your card on other phones? It sounds more like your bank doesn't support google wallet. There are plenty who don't. Nothing to do with the phone! If you can add the card to other google wallets, then the problem is with your phone.
rudabb said:
No..but I realized that if my phone is unlocked through smart unlocked(while on me) all I have to do is tap the device on the machine and it works.I don't need to be in the app...
If you want to be in the app,I think there is an off screen shortcut where you can assign the app for it. It's the volume down button
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Yeah I did assign the volume down botton for it, thank you
welcome.
extremecarver said:
Can you add your card on other phones? It sounds more like your bank doesn't support google wallet. There are plenty who don't. Nothing to do with the phone! If you can add the card to other google wallets, then the problem is with your phone.
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Yes, Starling bank supports Google Wallet - I used same card and GW on my old phone
I had similar issue.maybebsimilar. I kind of changed the google play services file ..and I think the google Play store ..I went back to this forum and saw what they were using and used them. And then my card worked .
I think people having problems should throw down all google programs including play store and services from the phone and install them from scratch because it's likely due to the broken versions on vivo appstore.
Likely trading Shenzhen already installed some broke. Stuff. It just doesn't make sense otherwise. Everyone uses the same OS and hardware should not be different either except different batches.
In general don't install anything from vivo appstore to save yourself problems. Especially not Chinese apps as they are add infected from the vivo store.