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Has anyone experienced LCD image burn-in on their captivate? I just noticed yesterday that when I have a web page up I can look on the left side and see Pandora Radio's controls.
well modern lcd's dont expereince burn in and the captivate doesn't have an lcd it has an oled tft not lcd tft. specifically it is "super" amoled. yes amoled screens are suseptible to burn in but not as much as standard oled. however it is very apparent on att display models in the stores. that said i run mostly dark themes and dont have any burn in that i can see, my phone is coming up on a year old.
Edit: Beaten to the LED thing.
Just to clarify, the Captivate screen uses LEDs, not LCD technology. That said, LEDs are much more susceptible to burn-in, and my screen has it. It's most noticeable around the notification bar clock at the upper right, since it's almost always displayed. It's most apparent on solid or almost solid screens.
It doesn't really bother me, I guess.
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well leds aren't suseptable to much loss of brightness but oled technology doesnt use the same type of semiconductors. it is organic light emitting diodes. the organic material deteriorates over time.
in oled there is no lcd or backlight. the organic led's are the pixels
dont associate oled too much with leds because with lcd's led backlights are far superiors to florescent backlights. not only in color balance and temperature and power consumption but also in longevity.
Thank you guys for your replys, it doesn't bother me too much. I was just checking, I leave Pandora up all the time while I am at work and now that I have this information from you all, I know to not do that so much.
PeteSeiler2010 said:
Thank you guys for your replys, it doesn't bother me too much. I was just checking, I leave Pandora up all the time while I am at work and now that I have this information from you all, I know to not do that so much.
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just turn the screen off if pandora is running.
My Moto X screen looks too yellowish compared to other LCD display phones like Nexus, iPhone's etc. Is it the issue with Moto X's Amoled display or something is wrong with my device?
What you're noticing is just the inherent difference in color reproduction between AMOLED and IPS displays. Most IPS displays have cooler color temperatures and do a better job at producing a true white although with less color saturation.
That being said, I have gone though 2 Moto Xs and the first one came with a very poorly calibrated display and a gross greenish tint. My second one was much better, but I returned it for other reasons, future burn in being one of them. Burn in is different from the problem you're seeing and can best be described as bad tan lines. Some areas of the screen will have different brightness (mostly the nav and notification areas) and it will be obvious when you switch to landscape mode that something isn't right.
If you think something is wrong with your screen and still have a valid warranty, give Motorola a call and let them know about it. They seem to be pretty good about making things right.
No screen burn for me... Had the phone since January and mostly a heavy user too. Maybe no burn because I keep the brightness level down most of the time?
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Jayrod1980 said:
No screen burn for me... Had the phone since January and mostly a heavy user too. Maybe no burn because I keep the brightness level down most of the time?
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Frankly, it's just a case of not taking care of the fact that we're using OLED tech which is sensitive to static images much like Plasma tech. If you're on Kitkat and use transparent bars like most of us: I can't imagine how anyone could suffer from burn-in that won't go away with time.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-x/general/fyi-dim-screen-moto-white-glove-t2753559
But I did not keep it long enough to notice burn.
No burn in here, but I use fullscreen so I don't have a notification or navigation bar.
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What you're noticing is just the inherent difference in color reproduction between AMOLED and IPS displays. Most IPS displays have cooler color temperatures and do a better job at producing a true white although with less color saturation.
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This is absolutely wrong, no offence. IPS displays do not have any cooler colour temperature! They are less saturated than AMOLED displays mostly, and thus the colours look less vibrant, or more accurate if you will. At the same time they will look extremely dull / pale. If possible just look at the S5's display, it has the best white I have seen in a while, neither yellowish or bluish, near perfect.
And yes, I agree with OP, there is a slight Yellowish tint on mine. This reminds me of the the Galaxy S2's display panel. There is nothing you can do other than getting adjusted with it, but you can try increasing the Blue bias of the screen, to something like +3 or +4. There is an app called Screen Adjuster on Google Play to do that. I am using that now, never thought I would have to use it again since S2 days. By increasing the Blue bias the screen will look little "cooler", the Yellowish white will become Bluish white.
This has nothing to do with burn in by the way.
I should have been more clear about that. It's the backlight source that affects color temp the most. Since most IPS displays use white LEDs for backlighting they appear cooler than many (not all) AMOLED panels and older TN displays using CCFLs. Since the individual pixels are their own backlight with AMOLED there is more variability in color reproduction depending on use and calibration.
And it does have something to do with burn-in. If you have a mostly blue background then those subpixels will see more use than the red and green subpixels. Once the blue subpixels fade enough you're left with a yellow tinted screen. It's not burn-in in the traditional CRT sense, but it's still uneven wear. IMO: The small perks of Active Display are not worth having a screen that can be damaged by normal use.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2404256
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I called up Motorola customer care and they asked me to visit nearest service center. They will have a look and decide if anything is wrong in the device. So, this yellowish tint is bit common in Moto X due to AMOLED screen.
rishi.gohil said:
I called up Motorola customer care and they asked me to visit nearest service center. They will have a look and decide if anything is wrong in the device. So, this yellowish tint is bit common in Moto X due to AMOLED screen.
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It can be. There's a member around who got like 4 replacements or something....all with different degrees of it.
I find you don't notice it after a bit.... Unless you put 2 phones side by side.
Personally it doesn't bother me....it would if it was too yellow. I find the dimmer the screen, the more you notice it also.
My first moto x I had since October got burn in around January. I got a new one in June and I have burn in again. It isn't enough to warrant another replacement (yet).
Can someone explain to me how this phone suffers burn in? Burn in is a thing from old CRT televisions, not really the new LED screens (at least, to my knowledge)
i've always used gravitybox to give the statusbar a grayish color instead of black (and here lately the tinted statusbar xposed module) and keep it in expanded desktop with pie controls, so there's no nav bar, and not seeing any burn issues yet, had it since Dec. the horrifically bad burn in on my note 2 is what made me want to be extra careful with the x.
No burn in here after 7 months on mine nor my sister's Moto X.
fargles said:
Can someone explain to me how this phone suffers burn in? Burn in is a thing from old CRT televisions, not really the new LED screens (at least, to my knowledge)
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Burn in is common in amoled type displays, specifically on phones such that rely on a nav bar instead of capacitive buttons. The longer the screen is on, or the higher the brightness, the bigger the possibility for screen burn in . Out of the three amoled phones I have owned, the two that have burnt in both had on screen nav bars. I hope this (non technical) summary helps
Hi,
I'm planning to get the 64GB Blue Nexus 6 and i have a few questions before i buy:
I heard that the AMOLED Screen have some issues like burns on the screen. Is that true?
Also i heard about "pink" issues with brightness. This is true also?
Svid said:
Hi,
I'm planning to get the 64GB Blue Nexus 6 and i have a few questions before i buy:
I heard that the AMOLED Screen have some issues like burns on the screen. Is that true?
Also i heard about "pink" issues with brightness. This is true also?
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Both are true.. But I don't have any issues on my device..
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Both are true.. But I don't have any issues on my device..
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I saw some videos on youtube and they said inverting colors from time to time for a certin amount of time helps. This is true?
Svid said:
I saw some videos on youtube and they said inverting colors from time to time for a certin amount of time helps. This is true?
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Also true..
Svid said:
Hi,
I'm planning to get the 64GB Blue Nexus 6 and i have a few questions before i buy:
I heard that the AMOLED Screen have some issues like burns on the screen. Is that true?
Also i heard about "pink" issues with brightness. This is true also?
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The at&t variant I personally own never gave me these issues. I have read the pink tint issues were associated with the adaptive /automatic brightness enabled?! Yet, on mine I saw no pink with it enabled or disabled.
And there are videos on YT showing burn in. It is basically the soft keys at the bottom. Triangle, circle, and the square are the culprits. But again no issues for me.
Now the very 1st day my phone did a random reboot on me - twice! But, as soon as I unlocked bootloader, rooted it, and used a custom recovery the reboots never surfaced again! Go figure?! And the nexus 6 is definately the fastest performing phone I owned yet
Svid said:
Hi,
I'm planning to get the 64GB Blue Nexus 6 and i have a few questions before i buy:
I heard that the AMOLED Screen have some issues like burns on the screen. Is that true?
Also i heard about "pink" issues with brightness. This is true also?
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AMOLED's can all have that issue, but I personally have never seen it happen (I have had a gnex for almost 2 years which used AMOLED and doesn't have burn-in). The pink "issue" isn't really an issue, google allowed the screen brightness to go extremely dark on the N6. This causes the screen to take on a pink tint simply due to the way amoled's function at that low a brightness. The screen does have a warmer hue to it as well because it is AMOLED, but you can use a custom kernel to tweak RGB values and give the screen a cooler tint. Hope that helps
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AMOLED's can all have that issue, but I personally have never seen it happen (I have had a gnex for almost 2 years which used AMOLED and doesn't have burn-in). The pink "issue" isn't really an issue, google allowed the screen brightness to go extremely dark on the N6. This causes the screen to take on a pink tint simply due to the way amoled's function at that low a brightness. The screen does have a warmer hue to it as well because it is AMOLED, but you can use a custom kernel to tweak RGB values and give the screen a cooler tint. Hope that helps
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Thank you for that useful information mate.
So, all AMOLED's, regardless if it's the N6 or not, suffer from this issue?
Svid said:
Thank you for that useful information mate.
So, all AMOLED's, regardless if it's the N6 or not, suffer from this issue?
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That is correct, all AMOLED's are susceptible to this because of the O in AMOLED, which stands for Organic. The organic compounds that are used in these screens are susceptible to burn in due to the fact that the organic compounds degrade with a lot of use. Of the RGB subpixels, Blue subpixels degrade quickest. However, the N6 uses a Pentile pixel arrangement. This has upsides and downsides, but it is actually an upside as far as this issue is concerned, because the Pentile layout contains less blue subpixels, so there is less susceptibility to burn in.
If you want to combat this issue further, you can use blacked out google apps, and use ROM's with blacked out system options, use a mostly black wallpaper, etc. This is because on an AMOLED screen when the screen is black, the pixels are not displaying any light and thus are not degrading at all. This should reduce your chances of running into the issue. It will also save battery life since the screen is not using as much energy. That is one of the upsides to AMOLED screens, along with the very dark blacks you get in movies and games for the same reason (pixels are not lighting at all). Like I said, I've used other AMOLED screens and not run into this problem as of yet, to my understanding it should take years before you start to see burn in even with normal use. Some people say they have issues right away but that has not been my experience.
All screens of any technology are correctly color calibrated at a given brightness and are very far off at extremes. With an LCD, it will generally be too blue at high brightness and not blue enough at low brightness. That is because the backlights are never a 6500K source. They are basically always bluer than standard.
The Note 4, to pick an AMOLED example, does not get red at very low brightness, but that is because it (according to others) has a higher minimum brightness. My screen takes on a red tint when in a dark room with adaptive brightness enabled if I have the brightness slider set below about 30%. I consider this a handy feature since I don't like the feeling of staring into a light bulb.
Above about 30%, or in a room with a light on, the screen stays normal for me.
I have not seen thecpink issue on my N6 at all.
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That is correct, all AMOLED's are susceptible to this because of the O in AMOLED, which stands for Organic. The organic compounds that are used in these screens are susceptible to burn in due to the fact that the organic compounds degrade with a lot of use. Of the RGB subpixels, Blue subpixels degrade quickest. However, the N6 uses a Pentile pixel arrangement. This has upsides and downsides, but it is actually an upside as far as this issue is concerned, because the Pentile layout contains less blue subpixels, so there is less susceptibility to burn in.
If you want to combat this issue further, you can use blacked out google apps, and use ROM's with blacked out system options, use a mostly black wallpaper, etc. This is because on an AMOLED screen when the screen is black, the pixels are not displaying any light and thus are not degrading at all. This should reduce your chances of running into the issue. It will also save battery life since the screen is not using as much energy. That is one of the upsides to AMOLED screens, along with the very dark blacks you get in movies and games for the same reason (pixels are not lighting at all). Like I said, I've used other AMOLED screens and not run into this problem as of yet, to my understanding it should take years before you start to see burn in even with normal use. Some people say they have issues right away but that has not been my experience.
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Not sure about the bottom paragraph, surely you mean inverted colours? Also If you use a mostly black wallpaper you're more likely go get burn in because the pixels around navigation buttons aren't on at all and are thus not degrading whilst the navigation buttons are fully on and are degrading.
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letom said:
Not sure about the bottom paragraph, surely you mean inverted colours? Also If you use a mostly black wallpaper you're more likely go get burn in because the pixels around navigation buttons aren't on at all and are thus not degrading whilst the navigation buttons are fully on and are degrading.
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Inverted, blacked out, I don't think there's a difference. The button icons themselves will eventually burn in because they are almost always on unless you opt for pie like controls, but like I said that should be over a span of years. A black background will keep everything else from wearing faster though and should give you better battery performance.
I have had the phone for a week now and have not seen either of these issues. I do keep my screen fairly dim, like minimum brightness PLUS a screen dimmer for the nights and early mornings. I do not see any pink what so ever with adaptive brightness off and the minimum setting for brightness. I only turn the screen up when outdoors. I don't know I just find the screen really bright while indoors and I would assume burn in would be more susceptible with higher brightness
So i can safely buy the device right?
Anyway i have to order the phone overseas (No 64GB avalible in my country and the price tag too high anyway).
Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
OLED screens in general are more problematic displaying dark shapes of grey compared to IPS panels. This has to do with manufacturing tolerances of individual light-emitting pixels at low current. This, in particular, is the reason why most OLED panels employ PWM (flickering) to control brightness, applying higher current in short pulses compared to applying constant low current. If you search for "LG G Flex 2 screen uniformity", you'll see some pretty extreme example of this.
That said, with each individual OLED panel and depending on your personal tolerances, your luck may vary. My Mi 8 is very acceptable when displaying dark shades of grey (I don't notice the problem even if it is there). If you received my Mi 8, there is a chance you could spot the issue because your personal tolerance of the problem is lower than mine. My wife uses an LG G Flex 2 and never notices the (very real) problem with its display uniformity (I do!)
In other words, most users are happy with their displays, but it does not mean all of them got a perfect one.
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Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
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That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
Grana_10 said:
That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
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That's right I have this issue on my note 9 too. My previous note 9 had this and devices in store had this.
Its normal.
anthroplus said:
Just requested the return of my Mi 8 due to an AMOLED issue.
Shades of dark gray aren't uniform. This is visible in darker environments (like in the bedroom at night).
This is most visible on Reddit dark mode. I can see it on Spotify if I look hard.
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I'm waiting for the e-commerce store's response. They claim that this has to be validated via their tests.
Also, I'm wondering what my odds are with AMOLED... If I get a replacement, will I get a significantly better display or potentially find another set of issues if I look.
What do you reckon are my odds if I go through with the replacement?
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"Aren't uniform" meaning you cannot tell the difference in the shades? Grey is a very challenging and controversial color for AMOLED. Use the Display Tester app by Braintrapp from Google Play and try the "Gamma detection" app when you have your device, you'll see it displayed horizontally. Swipe up and down (with the device of course held horizontally, or "landscape" mode) to change the brightness and look at how it displays grey at different brightness levels. Very weird huh?! It's perfectly normal.
I guess you can say it is a "grey area" for AMOLED...
Crossvxm said:
I would have to say you're in for quite a gamble. Most people aren't keen to spot "defects" on AMOLED displays. I am. Coming from a person who has owned many phones of both main screen technologies, I can tell you that the displays can vary even on identical devices. I've owned Galaxy devices with some having a red hue and others not, same when I had two Nexus 6, one had a slightly red hue and seemingly lower brightness at max, the other was perfect. Sometimes manufacturers have different facilities making the same screen, and differences arise. If you do get a replacement, you just have to hope it's from the better batch.
Now to get a better understanding, what do you mean when you say "aren't uniform?" Could you describe a little what you mean and where/when you notice the issue (e.g. videos, pictures, etc.)
Also, did you attempt to set a static color contrast within the Settings? The display does change tones automatically by default. According to the Display Tester app by Braintrapp from Google Play, it seems that our display does not support Wide Color Gamut. Some of the hues seem to be a tiny bit off according to it on my display, and this is coming from someone who owns a Mi 8 with a "perfect" AMOLED display.
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Every oled screen is uneven, clearly visible on dark gray backround in dark room. Even samsungs don't have perfect screens.
Grana_10 said:
That's normal. It happens with every AMOLED display. I have a Samsung S8 and it happens in the same way.
It's something common, don't be scared.
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I have the same issue with pixel 2 xl
I've owned the nexus 6p, OnePlus 5, 5t, 6 and the mi 8.
Tbh I think the mi8 has the worst AMOLED display of all of them when it comes to dark backgrounds in low light. It has like a "jelly scrolling" effect
My avatar on YouTube is solid black and I use the dark mode of the YouTube app....when I'm scrolling through comments i leave on videos with the screen brightness down low there's a noticable trailing effect.
It's not enough to make me want to return it but it's a problem I didn't have with any of the other devices I listed.
I prefer AMOLED to LCD any day.
xyourxhighnessx said:
I've owned the nexus 6p, OnePlus 5, 5t, 6 and the mi 8.
Tbh I think the mi8 has the worst AMOLED display of all of them when it comes to dark backgrounds in low light. It has like a "jelly scrolling" effect
My avatar on YouTube is solid black and I use the dark mode of the YouTube app....when I'm scrolling through comments i leave on videos with the screen brightness down low there's a noticable trailing effect.
It's not enough to make me want to return it but it's a problem I didn't have with any of the other devices I listed.
I prefer AMOLED to LCD any day.
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Coming from OnePlus 6, what motivated you to move to the Mi 8?
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Coming from OnePlus 6, what motivated you to move to the Mi 8?
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I bought the op6 with PayPal credit. I bought two and with the op6t coming I decided to sell them instead of paying the remaining balance. At first I intended to go with 6t but in the end I thought I'd try something different.
Since the Nexus 6p all of my phones have been stock/near stock. I thought I'd try something else. I like stock better because I feel there's a learning curve to miui if you're used to stock but overall I like the mi 8. I wish I would've waited for the mi mix 3 though. The sliding design is nice.
The full screen gesture navigation is the best button free navigation I've tried. I haven't used the buttons since nearly the beginning of owning it. It'll suck when I decide to use a non-xiaomi device. I didn't like OnePlus or stock gesture navigation
well i gotta say, i was afraid to get an bad Screen, too. Especially after reading threads like this. But i can say my screen is perfectly fine. even in lowest brightness. Yes The grays are not that gray as on the screen as on lcd, but thats the same with all amoled screens, and you only see it when u have the exact same app on an lcd screen beside your phone. For the rest its super fine.
Yeah. After 3+ months of using the phone, I’m learning to just enjoy it naturally without nitpicking details that don’t practically affect my everyday experience.
If we treat the phone like a baby, there’s an endless list of concerns.
But if you really just use it like you would (without analyzing scenarios that don’t come naturally), so many of these issues don’t matter at the end of the day.
I think the green is much more problematic on amoled displays (on low brightness / Oled Tool)
Sigray said:
I think the green is much more problematic on amoled displays (on low brightness / Oled Tool)
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That's exactly what I found.
Now, having said that, we don't use oled tools for practical purposes.
I basically don't notice the issue at all under normal use.
In other words, if I never did nitpick at first, 3 years of normal daily use could pass without me noticing the issue at all.
Hi All,
I also experience the touch screen issue on my Galaxy S20 FE.
I have created a short video on how to check and reproduce it: Galaxy S20FE touch screen issue - testing and reproducing
Please share your comments if you also experience it.
Did that experiment and i think my device is "ghost touch free".
Sent from my S20 FE 5G
maderos said:
Did that experiment and i think my device is "ghost touch free".
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Yes, if you don't experience this, you unit is issue-free. I have also asked others to test, they have no issue at all.
This is why I think that *might* be a hardware/production issue.
carlosmeldano said:
Yes, if you don't experience this, you unit is issue-free. I have also asked others to test, they have no issue at all.
This is why I think that *might* be a hardware/production issue.
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Yes, that's what it would seem to suggest - and it's discouraging, I was really hoping this was a software issue. Would the 120 Hz refresh be a factor in this? That is, do you get the same result at 60 Hz?
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Yes, that's what it would seem to suggest - and it's discouraging, I was really hoping this was a software issue. Would the 120 Hz refresh be a factor in this? That is, do you get the same result at 60 Hz?
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Nothing. Either under charging or not, either 60Hz or 120Hz, no matter if Touch Sensitivity is set to low or high, it happens.
But as it doesn't happen for everyone with the same software, it tends to be a hardware issue or a production defect.
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Nothing. Either under charging or not, either 60Hz or 120Hz, no matter if Touch Sensitivity is set to low or high, it happens.
But as it doesn't happen for everyone with the same software, it tends to be a hardware issue or a production defect.
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Very interesting, and helpful - thank you.
Tested mine with no issues but I had a bit of red tint on the screen as I have posted in another thread.
I just checked mine and I have the same issue, would samsung rma for this?
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Tested mine with no issues but I had a bit of red tint on the screen as I have posted in another thread.
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Thanks for the feedback. It seems not all users are having this issue. If you cannot reproduce the issue following the video instructions, then you are touch error-free. But then, it shows that it is not a general issue, but some manufacturing defect. For the red tint, I have seen your other post, I also have a barely visible greenish one, around where the camera is, and around the bottom 1/3 mark. But as it was stated, it is somewhat "normal".
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Thanks for the feedback. It seems not all users are having this issue. If you cannot reproduce the issue following the video instructions, then you are touch error-free. But then, it shows that it is not a general issue, but some manufacturing defect. For the red tint, I have seen your other post, I also have a barely visible greenish one, around where the camera is, and around the bottom 1/3 mark. But as it was stated, it is somewhat "normal".
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Do you notice a red tint when looking off angle at the screen?
I notice it somewhat when looking directly at the screen but very visible off screen, when using a white screen though.
SuperLGE said:
I just checked mine and I have the same issue, would samsung rma for this?
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Good question. I spoke with Samsung Support and they wanted me to visit the Service Center. I told them that I will not spend that much time on it, this phone is too expensive for having this kind of support. I will just return it and ask for a refund, then wait 1-2 months if the problem is solved.
I was just thinking yesterday...
This phone has Gorilla Glass 3 on the display, which is a way different structure than current GG6 (or GG4). GG3 is much thicker and more acts like a glass (breaks easier). Since GG4, newer Gorilla Glasses are more flexible, thinner, and more durable, too.
What if Samsung has just put a thick glass on top of a modern digitizer (touch panel) which was designed for a different structure and much thinner glass layer, and this causes the touch problems?
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Do you notice a red tint when looking off angle at the screen?
I notice it somewhat when looking directly at the screen but very visible off screen, when using a white screen though.
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I notice it under normal circumstances like browsing, while straight looking at it, when the page background is like pale yellow/orange. It is only a bit visible, but when you read text and scroll, it is disturbing that the greenish tint remains on the screen. But honestly, this is not that bad. On a white background, I don't even notice it.
When I look from a bottom angle and moving the phone's angle, the tint bars move as well.
carlosmeldano said:
Good question. I spoke with Samsung Support and they wanted me to visit the Service Center. I told them that I will not spend that much time on it, this phone is too expensive for having this kind of support. I will just return it and ask for a refund, then wait 1-2 months if the problem is solved.
I was just thinking yesterday...
This phone has Gorilla Glass 3 on the display, which is a way different structure than current GG6 (or GG4). GG3 is much thicker and more acts like a glass (breaks easier). Since GG4, newer Gorilla Glasses are more flexible, thinner, and more durable, too.
What if Samsung has just put a thick glass on top of a modern digitizer (touch panel) which was designed for a different structure and much thinner glass layer, and this causes the touch problems?
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where are you located? I was thinking about doing this too for my red tint issue. but sounds like a lot of trouble. I would agree that you definitely need a new phone
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carlosmeldano said:
I notice it under normal circumstances like browsing, while straight looking at it, when the page background is like pale yellow/orange. It is only a bit visible, but when you read text and scroll, it is disturbing that the greenish tint remains on the screen. But honestly, this is not that bad. On a white background, I don't even notice it.
When I look from a bottom angle and moving the phone's angle, the tint bars move as well.
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You mean are referring to the green tint correct? Are you saying that you have no reddish/pink tint at all on your phone?
I notice it very clearly when looking at it at angle or even normal position. And I can see it move when I move the phone to different positions.
the XDA review has the same issue actually (nothing on the touchscreen): https://www.xda-developers.com/samsung-galaxy-s20-fe-review/
"The viewing angles, though, are disappointing because the display still features visible angular color shifting to blue as well as a rainbow out interference effect at extreme angles. Newer Samsung OLED panels have eliminated the rainbow out interference effect, and also reduced off-axis color shifting by a significant amount. The Galaxy S20+’s viewing angles, for example, are much better because the color shifting is much lower. Strangely, even the cheaper Galaxy M51 (review) doesn’t feature the interference effect issue (that is likely caused by the polarizer)."
spacemanvt said:
where are you located? I was thinking about doing this too for my red tint issue. but sounds like a lot of trouble. I would agree that you definitely need a new phone
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EU. I bought the phone in the official German Samsung webshop. If I would be out of the return period, I would of course take it to the Service Center even with the red tint, but this way, I will just return it.
spacemanvt said:
You mean are referring to the green tint correct? Are you saying that you have no reddish/pink tint at all on your phone?
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True, I have no reddish tint, I have some greenish one When looking straight at the phone, it is around the opposite side of the camera, and about a thumb tall. But really, not that visible, I just see it because I know it is there
I read the quoted article. This can also easily happen because of Gorilla Glass 3, maybe it has different inner reflection that causes these bands.
carlosmeldano said:
Good question. I spoke with Samsung Support and they wanted me to visit the Service Center. I told them that I will not spend that much time on it, this phone is too expensive for having this kind of support. I will just return it and ask for a refund, then wait 1-2 months if the problem is solved.
I was just thinking yesterday...
This phone has Gorilla Glass 3 on the display, which is a way different structure than current GG6 (or GG4). GG3 is much thicker and more acts like a glass (breaks easier). Since GG4, newer Gorilla Glasses are more flexible, thinner, and more durable, too.
What if Samsung has just put a thick glass on top of a modern digitizer (touch panel) which was designed for a different structure and much thinner glass layer, and this causes the touch problems?
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That sounds reasonable...however, what about all the phones using GG5, 6, or above that have a tempered glass screen protector on them, which would certainly make the glass atop the digitizer much thicker, and that do NOT have any touch issues? It seems to me that the thickness of the glass...up to a reasonable measure that I do not know what it may be...is not the issue here because my S20 FE does not have the touch issues. But mine does always turn on in my pocket. So it seems as if the proximity sensor is faulty. I wonder if this "bug" is somehow related to the touch issues. Though they appear to be different problems...they are related to how the screen works. Clearly something is wrong and I am not sure that any of it can be fixed with software. SMH
jaseman said:
That sounds reasonable...however, what about all the phones using GG5, 6, or above that have a tempered glass screen protector on them, which would certainly make the glass atop the digitizer much thicker, and that do NOT have any touch issues? It seems to me that the thickness of the glass...up to a reasonable measure that I do not know what it may be...is not the issue here because my S20 FE does not have the touch issues. But mine does always turn on in my pocket. So it seems as if the proximity sensor is faulty. I wonder if this "bug" is somehow related to the touch issues. Though they appear to be different problems...they are related to how the screen works. Clearly something is wrong and I am not sure that any of it can be fixed with software. SMH
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You are right, I also thought of it, but not only the thickness, but also the material structure can cause problems like transferring more static electricity to the digitizer that cause ghost touches. And the glass screen protector is on top of the screen which is far enough in distance from the digitizer. I can also imagine that combining this digitizer with GG3 would require less manufacturing tolerance than they used, and that causes just too much defective units. Just guessing...
But as you also stated, problems are mostly with the screen and touch panel. Ghost touches, incorrect finger recognition causing jerks, pocket wakeup, reddish/greenish tint on the screen. And +1: not all users have this problem.
If this would be a software-related issue, all models would be affected more or less. If some units are fine, some are wrong, with the exact same software, then it should be a hardware-related problem. Question: do they used different brand of digitizers for different units, or there is just a huge ratio of defective units coming out of the factory because they had to put as many units on sale as they could because Pixel 5 and iPhone 12 has arrived and they wanted to catch a lot of customers? Just guessing, again...
carlosmeldano said:
True, I have no reddish tint, I have some greenish one When looking straight at the phone, it is around the opposite side of the camera, and about a thumb tall. But really, not that visible, I just see it because I know it is there
I read the quoted article. This can also easily happen because of Gorilla Glass 3, maybe it has different inner reflection that causes these bands.
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So strange, every one of the phones I looked at in the store has these bands. Surprised yours does not.
spacemanvt said:
So strange, every one of the phones I looked at in the store has these bands. Surprised yours does not.
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If watching from bottom angle, I see the bands, but in straight view, I only see some greenish tint. It is not very disturbing for me. I mean, I have a LED TV, which has some of these typical IPS clouding effect on the screen edges. 99% of the time, it is not visible because the content is bright. But when watching a movie that has a night scene and there is no ambient light in the room, it is awful. But in general, I like the TV
carlosmeldano said:
If watching from bottom angle, I see the bands, but in straight view, I only see some greenish tint. It is not very disturbing for me. I mean, I have a LED TV, which has some of these typical IPS clouding effect on the screen edges. 99% of the time, it is not visible because the content is bright. But when watching a movie that has a night scene and there is no ambient light in the room, it is awful. But in general, I like the TV
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Interesting, thank you for the response. I see the red tint straight on and at angles too, so maybe we have a similar issue but a different color?
I also have a LG OLED, which can look quite bad in some very dark scenes because of banding.
spacemanvt said:
Interesting, thank you for the response. I see the red tint straight on and at angles too, so maybe we have a similar issue but a different color?
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That might be the case! Different color, but the same tint / band.