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Help needed - iPhone 6 Plus v OnePlus 3T

Hi all,
Im new to the forums and I'm after some serious information on the OnePlus 3 and Android in general.
I currently have a iPhone 6 Plus (128GB) and (in theory) could have upgraded to the iPhone 7/Plus as I buy my phones every two years outright.
I've been toying with the idea of getting the OnePlus 3T and passing my iPhone to the Mrs as she has an iPhone 5 (16GB). I really don't fancy forking out £819 to get the equivalent of my current iPhone when I could get a OP3T for £439 (128GB).
My options are keep my iPhone or get the OP3T and would like your opinion.
I'm sure someone on here could provide me with an idea of what Android is like as I've never used it before and what it's like switching from iOS.
I must admit that I'm more invested with Google than Apple. I do have an iPad and MacBook but I don't use iCloud and I'm not too bothered about iMessage and FaceTime as Whatsapp is what I tend to use and I use Google for most services (Gmail, Drive, Contacts, Calendars, Maps and Photos).
Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance
Andy

For what you described imho oneplus 3t and iphone7 are overkill...
If you want a good stock-ish android experience you can go for op3t. It is not one of those phones where if you are not satisfied somebody will tell you "of course, as an android newbie you should have gone for smartphone xy".
For some reason that I can not grasp with my stupid little mind some people who switched from iOS to Android just don't like the UI and find it too complicated. While I don't understand how a simple menu can be complicated at all, I honestly know that feeling, since whenever I have to use a Macbook I have an irresistable urge to throw it against a wall and then to burn the house down.
What I am saying is, noone can tell you if you will like it.

i went from iphone 6s+ > nexus 6p > op3t

I just switched over from a 7plus. Its not difficult at all to get used to, you get all the same or almost all the same apps as in iOS. The layout for the menus is easy to get used to as well.
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Well I have checked my iPhone and have used 101GB with 19GB remaining so I would like to a phone with 128GB ideally.
minhajmsd said:
I just switched over from a 7plus. Its not difficult at all to get used to, you get all the same or almost all the same apps as in iOS. The layout for the menus is easy to get used to as well.
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Why did you switch from a 7 Plus to the OP3T?
I'm intrigued to know.

Just suggestion.. U can try very low entry Android phone or other older stock Android phone like nexus series to taste the pure stock Android experience before u spend £430 .
One of my friend did that way. It helped. Now he is considering to buy OP3T

i have both phones (7+ and 3T), and considering your current status where you use more google services than apple, i think you will be just fine with 3T as long as you are okay to learn the way android do things. in my opinion 3T has better battery life, and could do much more if you want to tinker a little bit. However 7+ also has it's strong points, like front facing speaker, and camera. for amateur like me that just need a good camera at all kind of condition to take pictures of my kids, 7+ just did the job in auto mode.

I've never owned an iProduct, so you can take my words with a grain of salt. But, my experience so far with the 1+3T is all positive. If you do switch, just be sure to give yourself some time and patience to adjust. Honestly, if you stick around here, maybe you'll come to appreciate Android as much as we do.

amk515 said:
Well I have checked my iPhone and have used 101GB with 19GB remaining so I would like to a phone with 128GB ideally.
Why did you switch from a 7 Plus to the OP3T?
I'm intrigued to know.
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I don't really have a concrete reason for switching.. Just had an itch to get this phone and once the 128gb one was available for ordering I just ordered it. After using this phone I am completely in love with it, the only thing I miss from the iPhone is iMessage.
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I went to OP3T after 2 years with iphone 6 and 6s, I don't miss anything about those two phone because I mostly use google app and youtube. And OP3T gave me far better battery life than ip6 and ip6s, but in your case it's a little different as you have the plus. I was a diehard android user before, so it's easy for me to make decision. Now, Huawei p10 is in my radar except this OP3T hasn't aged yet

I think what is stopping me is that I have always had iPhone's from the 3G and I'm unsure of using another OS.
Also, I noticed on the SGS7 that my friend has that some games were laggy in comparison to my iPhone and that he said it's because of Touchwiz?
I did have a mess around briefly with his SGS7 but not long enough to draw a conclusion about Android as a whole but I didn't really care for that phone.

amk515 said:
I think what is stopping me is that I have always had iPhone's from the 3G and I'm unsure of using another OS.
Also, I noticed on the SGS7 that my friend has that some games were laggy in comparison to my iPhone and that he said it's because of Touchwiz?
I did have a mess around briefly with his SGS7 but not long enough to draw a conclusion about Android as a whole but I didn't really care for that phone.
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It will be better if u play around op3t before you buy, and see if games lag or something's you use work without lag or what.
I love this device, but hate iOS so that would be one sided thing.
So some of your friends might have one plus, you should get hands on one for a few hours.
Since everyone has different uses pattern and preference, at last everything comes to what you like or what you don't.
Don't know where you are from, but if u r from Delhi and want to get hands on, pm me.

Navi44 said:
It will be better if u play around op3t before you buy, and see if games lag or something's you use work without lag or what.
I love this device, but hate iOS so that would be one sided thing.
So some of your friends might have one plus, you should get hands on one for a few hours.
Since everyone has different uses pattern and preference, at last everything comes to what you like or what you don't.
Don't know where you are from, but if u r from Delhi and want to get hands on, pm me.
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I'm from the UK and OnePlus is somewhat unknown to a lot of people (well, to most of my friends anyway). A lot of my friends have iPhone's too.
Getting hold of a OP3T is quite hard, I know they have them in O2 shops here but they aren't connected to the internet and I wouldn't be able to use it like it was my own.

amk515 said:
I'm from the UK and OnePlus is somewhat unknown to a lot of people (well, to most of my friends anyway). A lot of my friends have iPhone's too.
Getting hold of a OP3T is quite hard, I know they have them in O2 shops here but they aren't connected to the internet and I wouldn't be able to use it like it was my own.
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Well you can find a lot of guys from UK here in the forum's with op3t.
Maybe now you have mentioned somebody might come to your rescue
And I heard in EU all purchases can be returned under certain amount of time.
Purchase one, use it, if don't like them return it.
And purchase through card, cause PayPal don't have buyer protection.

Navi44 said:
Well you can find a lot of guys from UK here in the forum's with op3t.
Maybe now you have mentioned somebody might come to your rescue
And I heard in EU all purchases can be returned under certain amount of time.
Purchase one, use it, if don't like them return it.
And purchase through card, cause PayPal don't have buyer protection.
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I suppose that the returns is true.
Is there a particular reason you prefer Android over iOS?
I'm intrigued to find out your reasons as I have never used Android for longer than 10 minutes.

amk515 said:
I suppose that the returns is true.
Is there a particular reason you prefer Android over iOS?
I'm intrigued to find out your reasons as I have never used Android for longer than 10 minutes.
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Mostly I can modify it to my likes.
Get bored of same UI for long.
That's one reason.
Other is for music, I keep it as I like with viper and other audio mods.
And moreover when I use iOS it feels like I lack many options android provides.
Like network settings, hotspots, downloading music, and getting to do backups locally, not on cloud or PC.

masri1987 said:
i went from iphone 6s+ > nexus 6p > op3t
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Same here!!! I love it.... I still have my iPhone 6s+ as a backup if I ever needed to get the OP 3t repaired. But I won't be going back to iOS even though the UI may look a little more pretty as some people would say

h3rnand3zz said:
Same here!!! I love it.... I still have my iPhone 6s+ as a backup if I ever needed to get the OP 3t repaired. But I won't be going back to iOS even though the UI may look a little more pretty as some people would say
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Is there any particular reason?
As I say, I have no real experience with Android.

h3rnand3zz said:
Same here!!! I love it.... I still have my iPhone 6s+ as a backup if I ever needed to get the OP 3t repaired. But I won't be going back to iOS even though the UI may look a little more pretty as some people would say
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Is there any particular reason?
As I say, I have no real experience with Android.
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well to be honest i went 6p to the 6s+because i was in egypt with my lil brother who is a iphone freak for 2 months he taunted me, so i gave it a try, and after 6 months i wanted to destroy all things apple.
Apple customer service caters to the n00b customer base that they serve. I would literally pose questions to them that they had no answers to. on iOS you can't even arrange photos by date taken or large photos to small photos . once photos are out of order in ur albums there's no way to fix them even if the exif data is on point. bluetooth sucked on ios, it would take 2 mintues for the bluetooth to turn on, and hand offs from music to phone calls was horrendous up to 30 seconds.
It's an inferior product imo, it's made for people who aren't technically inclined, that's not really to say they are stupid but there's a reason the "____ for dummies" book line made millions

The reason I have always had an iPhone was because it always did what I wanted it to do.
People I know who have had Android in the past moved to iOS because they were fed up of their phones breaking for one reason or another.
Here, I can literally take my iPhone a few hundred yards from work into an Apple Store to be fixed if needed which is another bonus.
I take it that has all changed?
Is there anything major that Android can do that iOS can't?

No innovation from one plus 5

The expectation from one plus 5 was high, when it was being released. It seems that one plus is not putting any innovative ideas in their UI or overall system experience. They should at least put some new ideas to their user experience. Please vote and let them know...

think you're being a little harsh mate, there are a lot of qualities which add up to an experience that you don't get from any other device.
Speed: The fastest phone there is, bar none.
Audio: Loudest phone i've ever had, couple that with viper audio and it's even louder
Battery: Best battery i've ever had on any phone including the note 4 which was supposed to be superb.
Screen: Jelly effect aside (i don't get this problem) 1+ going for a 1080p screen is the way it should be, a 2k screen on a 5 inch device? What is the point.
Build: Strong casing covering the phone and a non bendy screen
Software: For the first time ever, I've actually contemplated not rooting my device (it's rooted now btw ) Reason being is you can theme and change things which you can't on other devices.
Camera: Ok this one is a bit of a sore subject, I actually rate the camera, i've took some superb shots with it.
Charging: phenomenally quick charging, bested by none. (Thanks @3DSammy )
Overall when you put this together you get a package which very few can compete with

coolom1983 said:
The expectation from one plus 5 was high, when it was being released. It seems that one plus is not putting any innovative ideas in their UI or overall system experience. They should at least put some new ideas to their user experience. Please vote and let them know...
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Not everyone agrees with you. When you speak of user experience, do you mean something like TouchWiz? No thanks. As close to stock as possible is what people in this forum prefer.

dladz said:
think you're being a little harsh mate, there are a lot of qualities which add up to an experience that you don't get from any other device.
Speed: The fastest phone there is, bar none.
Audio: Loudest phone i've ever had, couple that with viper audio and it's even louder
Battery: Best battery i've ever had on any phone including the note 4 which was supposed to be superb.
Screen: Jelly effect aside (i don't get this problem) 1+ going for a 1080p screen is the way it should be, a 2k screen on a 5 inch device? What is the point.
Build: Strong casing covering the phone and a non bendy screen
Software: For the first time ever, I've actually contemplated not rooting my device (it's rooted now btw ) Reason being is you can theme and change things which you can't on other devices.
Camera: Ok this one is a bit of a sore subject, I actually rate the camera, i've took some superb shots with it.
Overall when you put this together you get a package which very few can compete with
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The only thing I'd add to your list is the phenomenal Dash charging. Just today or yesterday XDA posted a comparison of various brand's charging technologies and the OnePlus Dash charging came out on top. When I bought the OP5 and first charged it that was the very first thing that WOWed me. I definitely agree with the rest of your list. Maybe add the OnePlus companies cooperative attitude to developers with a TWRP recovery available by the end of the very first weekend after release. Its my Nexus series replacement. As times gone by (I ordered the OP5 two hours after the streamed announcement), OOS with multiple OTA releases and its general almost stock experience has reinforced my confidence in this purchase.

OP5 to me is the Nexus that I've missed.... It's speedy and utilitarian... The pixel didn't appeal to me and I think maybe alot of the og Nexus fans too....
If you don't like Nexus, I'm guessing you won't like OP....

Couldn't disagree more with the OP. This is the best phone I've ever owned. And the UI is basically vanilla android but with see very useful additions. The kind of additions I used to flash custom ROMs to get.

I was a successful customer of one plus 3 and 3T... I loved these 2 very much as these were best of their time.... Except dual camera setup which is still not as stable as it should be and Dash charger, I do not see big differences in from previous ones...

Undoubtedly it is good phone but not the best of his time... So many bugs still present in software.... No beta update for one plus 5.... No latest security patches... Even my op3 has latest security patch as compared to my one plus 5..

You do realize it is a small company and they kinda have to update 3 phones now. This takes a bit o time. Besides, they probably invest most of their resources on the Oreo update now.
Do you really think Samsung offers better updates?
As for the differences between last year's model and this year's model - there never is a big differences between those. Generally speaking. They are more like incremental upgrades.
Let's take the S7 and S8. The biggest difference is the screen and that's pretty much it.
In my opinion, one should always skip one phone generation to get the best results. If you had the 3T, there was no reason to get the 5 now. It's better to wait for the 6 as that may be a better upgrade. Same applies to Samsung, LG, HTC and everything else.

coolom1983 said:
The expectation from one plus 5 was high, when it was being released. It seems that one plus is not putting any innovative ideas in their UI or overall system experience. They should at least put some new ideas to their user experience. Please vote and let them know...
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You expect OnePlus to innovate? They've barely been around for five years.
Quit dreaming and buy an iPhone or a Samsung.

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The only thing I'd add to your list is the phenomenal Dash charging. Just today or yesterday XDA posted a comparison of various brand's charging technologies and the OnePlus Dash charging came out on top. When I bought the OP5 and first charged it that was the very first thing that WOWed me. I definitely agree with the rest of your list. Maybe add the OnePlus companies cooperative attitude to developers with a TWRP recovery available by the end of the very first weekend after release. Its my Nexus series replacement. As times gone by (I ordered the OP5 two hours after the streamed announcement), OOS with multiple OTA releases and its general almost stock experience has reinforced my confidence in this purchase.
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Completely agree with the charging it's not of this earth.
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Undoubtedly it is good phone but not the best of his time... So many bugs still present in software.... No beta update for one plus 5.... No latest security patches... Even my op3 has latest security patch as compared to my one plus 5..
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Please compare this to another phone and put the the other ahead!! What phone out ever has no problems? The fact that your 3 is still getting updates in a timely manner is a good thing.

The reason why we got a OnePlus is partly because we prefer as close as possible AOSP experience with a few value added enhancements
If you're into UI and stuff, you're definitely looking the wrong phone and should consider what Samsung or Xiaomi has to offer instead

Download a launcher.

This thread so dumb I thought I am browsing the OnePlus forums
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MSF Jarvis said:
This thread so dumb I thought I am browsing the OnePlus forums
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hahah , yeah.
Damn people, they want stupid gadget but dont want to pay for it.
For many people, the op5 is perfect because it's simple, still have capacitive button ( which make the android signature imo), simple = the parts will be cheap on ebay, and we dont pay for stupid random gadget.
NO! REMOVING 3.5mm jack is NOT innovation.
Why spend $$$ to get a fcking edge screen that will cost 500$ to replace ?
IP67 , when 95% of people wont get close to water with their phone, and 99% of them never drop their phone in water anyway.
op5 is innovative in a way that they give you high spec with minimal parts. Imho, this make a durable phone (5-6 years easy), and as we can notice, the earth need a break of overconsuming rightnow.

Coming from a Pixel XL, the design of this phone is much better; feels much nicer in the hand and isn't as heavy.
There is tons more development available for this device compared to the XL, and for a company that is so young, they are doing an amazing job.
Yeah, the camera didn't live up to the hype, but it's not a horrible camera by any means.
I am getting the same user experience as my Pixel XL, and even better than the XL in some areas as well - all for significantly less than what I paid for the XL.
That being said, I definitely don't think it's reasonable to say there is no innovation, despite the 5 looking similar to an iPhone. The iPhone's design isn't bad at all in my opinion, so that carries over to the 5.
All in all, I'm really loving this phone and I do not regret selling my XL to get this I am open minded and will see how the Pixel 2 is though, but just in terms of development, I don't know if I'd switch back.

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Just people having their say. Sometimes the worst questions or ideas for a thread become extremely popular.
Otherwise why are people posting here
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rickysidhu_ said:
Coming from a Pixel XL, the design of this phone is much better; feels much nicer in the hand and isn't as heavy.
All in all, I'm really loving this phone and I do not regret selling my XL to get this I am open minded and will see how the Pixel 2 is though, but just in terms of development, I don't know if I'd switch back.
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Honestly can't see the pixel 2 having anything ground breaking that would make me want to move over.
The camera will be great but OS and performance, stamina and build will be very similar.
Tbh I can see the 1+5 beating it in terms of speed.
Guess we'll see.
Plus if the pixel goes for a 2k screen then you'll see how much of a benefit a 1080p screen gives you in regards to performance and battery longevity.

coolom1983 said:
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Hmmmmmm - I vote that that you would be better off trading in op5 and get this
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i always viewed oneplus devices as extremely minimal. I know, you know and oneplus knows that if you want an innovative UI you can download it from the play store. Think of the thing as a modular phone on the software side. I like the thing because it works really well and charges nice and fast doesnt slow down and remembers every app right where i was unless the app itself has a background refresh built in. Its a good phone and should be treated as such.

sure, it's innovative! you get to choose between Wifi AND cellular data. the screen protectors lay perfectly flat on the screen, which is also flat. this phone is small! it fits perfectly in all kinds of pockets. the screen lights up in the dark so you can see it at night. you can install multiple applications without removing the old ones. on top of all that - wireless discharging!
seriously, you are living in the era of the Jetsons (assuming you're old enough to remember that show). splitting hairs about a company's R&D standards is so moot when you have a super [email protected]$$ computer in your pocket. just don't buy it! or return it! move along!

Oneplus 5 a potential collectors item in the future?

Hi All,
After learning that Oneplus were making the decision to announce and then launcher the (ok it's a nice phone) Oneplus 5T after just 5 months? I've never heard of that happen to a flagship which wasn't a complete failure and had as much going for it as the 5 does?
The Oneplus has pretty much disappeared from all locations where it was available, which means there can't be that many new devices out in the wild anymore if any at all, do you think if kept in decent condition that it could be something of a collectors item in the months / years to come? Maybe going a bit far with the collectors item thing but you know what i mean, like a niche piece of kit that you can't get hold of no more.
Just a thought, because unless people had the money or an upgrade in that time frame, it just wasn't going to be available and now it's gone?

Compared to the 3 and 3T the 5 and 5T are in a unique situation it's a slightly different form factor the finger print is on the front and it retains the capacitive non on screen buttons batterly life is every so slightly better than the 5T.
Everything else is the same so true I can definitely see a few anti 2:1 bezeless phone users prefer the one plus 5 form factor. Although i probably wouldn't go as far as to call it a collector's item. The main blemish on the OnePlus 5 is the jelly phone screen thing aside from that i can see a manufacturer offer both models and both selling reasonably well. With jelly phone screen i think it might skew to the newer phone, it doesn't bother me personally but I know there are people that see the affect all the time and that could get irritating. I on the other hand either don't see it or just got used to it.

dladz said:
Hi All,
After learning that Oneplus were making the decision to announce and then launcher the (ok it's a nice phone) Oneplus 5T after just 5 months? I've never heard of that happen to a flagship which wasn't a complete failure and had as much going for it as the 5 does?
The Oneplus has pretty much disappeared from all locations where it was available, which means there can't be that many new devices out in the wild anymore if any at all, do you think if kept in decent condition that it could be something of a collectors item in the months / years to come? Maybe going a bit far with the collectors item thing but you know what i mean, like a niche piece of kit that you can't get hold of no more.
Just a thought, because unless people had the money or an upgrade in that time frame, it just wasn't going to be available and now it's gone?
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Cellphones dont work like that. Even the legendary device of the HD2 only goes down in price.Phones are not something to collect as unlike others things they are already outdated by the time we get our hands on them.

zelendel said:
Cellphones dont work like that. Even the legendary device of the HD2 only goes down in price.Phones are not something to collect as unlike others things they are already outdated by the time we get our hands on them.
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yea I know what you mean but have you ever heard of a phone off this caliber only bring readily available for 5 months?

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yea I know what you mean but have you ever heard of a phone off this caliber only bring readily available for 5 months?
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They did the same thing with the 3 and the 3t. If any were gonna be collectable it will be the stars wars version or the other limited versions of the device and even then the price will still go down.
As for caliber of device. It is still a mid range device really. Nothing too special.

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Compared to the 3 and 3T the 5 and 5T are in a unique situation it's a slightly different form factor the finger print is on the front and it retains the capacitive non on screen buttons batterly life is every so slightly better than the 5T.
Everything else is the same so true I can definitely see a few anti 2:1 bezeless phone users prefer the one plus 5 form factor. Although i probably wouldn't go as far as to call it a collector's item. The main blemish on the OnePlus 5 is the jelly phone screen thing aside from that i can see a manufacturer offer both models and both selling reasonably well. With jelly phone screen i think it might skew to the newer phone, it doesn't bother me personally but I know there are people that see the affect all the time and that could get irritating. I on the other hand either don't see it or just got used to it.
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yea don't see the jelly or what I do see didn't bother me..
Lol collectors item yea I know a bit much I did write that btw.
Point I'm making is, the release time was so small, now it's not being made no more, it's not even close to a year.
Any idea how many units were actually made?
A limited edition Zippo only has 250,000 made sometimes less, no how many they sold / made but it's definitely a niche phone now.

I would agree that cellphones don't work like that. When a new model is out, the previous one takes the "second hand status", in which people will be interested in, but only at a super low budget.
Then you have to keep in mind that OnePlus is an "unknown" brand. See all the reviews on specialist websites, all say it's so great but look around you, it's Samsung and Apple, cause people don't read that.
And if we think that OP phones are special for developpement community, also take a look at how people around us don't even change the default wallpaper that their phone had when they turned it on first time
To get back on subject, that's why it's actually terrible that OP releases a flagship so fast, it just kills the value of what we do have in a flash. And there are already rumours of the OP6 coming in march (and any rumour about One Plus phones is nearly always true).
Nice for those * silly * enough to go from 5 to 5T

zelendel said:
They did the same thing with the 3 and the 3t. If any were gonna be collectable it will be the stars wars version or the other limited versions of the device and even then the price will still go down.
As for caliber of device. It is still a mid range device really. Nothing too special.
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Mid range??
Maybe we base out caliber of device on something completely different, I personally go by performance and stamina, along with a few other things.
The Oneplus is not mid range, the Snapdragon 600 series devices are mid range, the Oneplus is 100% high tier, price no but performance and hardware yes.

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I would agree that cellphones don't work like that. When a new model is out, the previous one takes the "second hand status", in which people will be interested in, but only at a super low budget.
Then you have to keep in mind that OnePlus is an "unknown" brand. See all the reviews on specialist websites, all say it's so great but look around you, it's Samsung and Apple, cause people don't read that.
And if we think that OP phones are special for developpement community, also take a look at how people around us don't even change the default wallpaper that their phone had when they turned it on first time
To get back on subject, that's why it's actually terrible that OP releases a flagship so fast, it just kills the value of what we do have in a flash. And there are already rumours of the OP6 coming in march (and any rumour about One Plus phones is nearly always true).
Nice for those * silly * enough to go from 5 to 5T
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I agree, I'll not be getting the 6, it's HTC for me all day long from now on, unless something groundbreaking comes out, couldn't go for Sammy again, they're dead to me, their OS is just nasty now, doesn't even feel like android no more.
I know what you mean with their release timing, but I think they've overshot it here surely, 5 months? That's insane, and for a device which is over the mid range bracket at £507 with shipping? That's not cheap to only be told that in 5 months it can't be bought no more?
I dunno, I had a thought and thought I'd put it out there, collectors item no ok that was a bit far but definitely a niche product (popularity aside)

dladz said:
I agree, I'll not be getting the 6, it's HTC for me all day long .....................
I dunno, I had a thought and thought I'd put it out there, collectors item no ok that was a bit far but definitely a niche product (popularity aside)
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Yeah.
And to add to those thoughts, one might buy let's say a Samsung Note 8. It cost twice the price of the OP 5T, but you get the top of your brand of choice for a year. If you try to do that with One Plus phones, that will cost you more than that over the same period.
And your Samsung will probably still have a great resell value...
I like OP phones, but to me, they are really doing a terrible thing to their fans here.
Oh well, let's see how it goes

dladz said:
Mid range??
Maybe we base out caliber of device on something completely different, I personally go by performance and stamina, along with a few other things.
The Oneplus is not mid range, the Snapdragon 600 series devices are mid range, the Oneplus is 100% high tier, price no but performance and hardware yes.
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Yes mid range. Price means nothing where I am. It's all about the hardware for me a day one plus is always missing g a few things to put them in the top tier.

zelendel said:
Yes mid range. Price means nothing where I am. It's all about the hardware for me a day one plus is always missing g a few things to put them in the top tier.
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lol ok so HTC who always make a flag ship device which is always has been comparable in price to Samsung ( I'm assuming that's what you're comparing it to) HTC usually misses a few features out, LG again top tier, again missing things not in others, can't see your point mate.
I know what you're getting at but I disagree wholeheartedly.
The oneplus is anything but a mid range device and in many ways it's superior to flagships like the S8
more ram
more internal memory
faster CPU and better utilisation of said chipset, better use of battery and stamina than the S8 /S8+
dual cameras
fastest charging on the market
Where is the oneplus falling short?
SD slot? water proofing ? stereo speakers ? None of those features makes a high end device.
All of the other OEMs are missing the same things, not to mention that Oneplus listens a lot more than the other OEMs.
edit: anyway, this is moving off topic so I'm leaving this here, plus the topic probably want received how I intended it

Im not a massive fan of bezelless phones because there is less bezel to put your hands on .I also hate software buttons

Pro4TLZZ said:
Im not a massive fan of bezelless phones because there is less bezel to put your hands on .I also hate software buttons
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So much this.
I hope this trend goes way when I need to buy a new phone a few years.

Pro4TLZZ said:
Im not a massive fan of bezelless phones because there is less bezel to put your hands on .I also hate software buttons
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completely agree with both points

tWoBrO said:
So much this.
I hope this trend goes way when I need to buy a new phone a few years.
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it won't but the screen will evolve, the back of the phone had always been by majority unutilised, either way you can be sure that it'll never stay the same, things evolve or people get bored and even if we didn't, companies believe in evolving and ever changing so it'll happen in some way shape or form, hopefully for the better and not just for change.

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The Oneplus has pretty much disappeared from all locations where it was available, which means there can't be that many new devices out in the wild anymore if any at all, do you think if kept in decent condition that it could be something of a collectors item in the months / years to come? Maybe going a bit far with the collectors item thing but you know what i mean, like a niche piece of kit that you can't get hold of no more.
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wait.. what? :silly:
Collector's item? mate, you can't be serious. OnePlus 5 is a really nice phone but calling it a collector's item is seriously pushing it.

Thread closed at OP request.

how are you getting on with your p20 pro? is it all you expected?

Just wanted to get a feel for how people are with their p20 pros
Personally I want to change very little.about it, I'm rooted and have my normal rooted apps, adaway, titanium, 1 magisk module swap torpedo (kills the swap file, not needed for 6GB of RAM)
Other than that, the theme, the signal location, the camera, it's all pretty amazing.
I expected more from the battery but I can live with it.
The only thing I think that will annoy me is the lack of ROMs, but it's hurting a lot less than it did on other odd devices I've bought:
Sony Z1
Note 4
I think if Huawei would have flooded the globe with one variant with Google esq updates, it would have been one of those phones that alter a generation , kind of like the HD2 and Nexus devices did and Oneplus devices are.
Instead we've got several variants with a completely insane and i mean insane after market development scene, it's like everyone got the memo but me lol.
How have you found yours for the time youve had it?

I love it.
The battery is immense, and because I regularly have days with 8hrs plus SoT, it's a godsend.
I knew the camera was good, but it's better than I hoped, so much so that I got rid of my compact camera and my DSLR gets much less use these days.
I don't understand what you mean by lack of apps?
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Lack of US supports hurts. I really like the p20 pro but if the p30 pro next year doesn't support tmobile band 71 then this will be my last Huawei device.

orangecroc said:
I love it.
The battery is immense, and because I regularly have days with 8hrs plus SoT, it's a godsend.
I knew the camera was good, but it's better than I hoped, so much so that I got rid of my compact camera and my DSLR gets much less use these days.
I don't understand what you mean by lack of apps?
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Sorry pal I meant lack of ROMs.
8 hours? Not bad but consider if it was as well optimized as hear vanilla phones.
Oneplus 5 835 - No limits ROM. 14 hours 30 minutes.
Battery size is 3400 Vs the Huawei having 4000
Lol I expected more
We should be clearing 10 hours daily

worldsoutro said:
Lack of US supports hurts. I really like the p20 pro but if the p30 pro next year doesn't support tmobile band 71 then this will be my last Huawei device.
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Think that decision has been made.
I think they're missing a massive part of the market tbh.
I got they reconsider, I really do.
1 model
1 target audience
Quick updates
Bootloader unlocking
That is all I need.
= A healthy community.
Bare in mind, were the people who or families and friends ask when they want to buy a phone.
I can't recommend Huawei anymore.
I wish I could.

dladz said:
Just wanted to get a feel for how people are with their p20 pros
Personally I want to change very little.about it, I'm rooted and have my normal rooted apps, adaway, titanium, 1 magisk module swap torpedo (kills the swap file, not needed for 6GB of RAM)
Other than that, the theme, the signal location, the camera, it's all pretty amazing.
I expected more from the battery but I can live with it.
The only thing I think that will annoy me is the lack of ROMs, but it's hurting a lot less than it did on other odd devices I've bought:
Sony Z1
Note 4
I think if Huawei would have flooded the globe with one variant with Google esq updates, it would have been one of those phones that alter a generation , kind of like the HD2 and Nexus devices did and Oneplus devices are.
Instead we've got several variants with a completely insane and i mean insane after market development scene, it's like everyone got the memo but me lol.
How have you found yours for the time youve had it?
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I think you should go out on a Friday night..... you're looking for something to amuse you. I've had to stop in and have a drink.
I'm quite into this phone apart from the complete lack of updates (I have the UK model)
I don't modify much these days unless I can't utilise the full screen because of onscreen navigation buttons but, luckily, this device has the perfect solution. [emoji3]
I must admit, I loved my HTC desire days....the customisations we could do then....Leedroid...my hero.
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dladz said:
Think that decision has been made.
I think they're missing a massive part of the market tbh.
I got they reconsider, I really do.
1 model
1 target audience
Quick updates
Bootloader unlocking
That is all I need.
= A healthy community.
Bare in mind, were the people who or families and friends ask when they want to buy a phone.
I can't recommend Huawei anymore.
I wish I could.
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That decision was made for them by the US government. I am not sure what the whole story is behind it but no Carriers in the US want anything to do with Huawei now.
With carrier support and good advertising they could have made a decent splash in the US overtime.
Even if they support band 71 it's a tough sell to spend so much on a phone that won't have any US warranty backing.

worldsoutro said:
That decision was made for them by the US government. I am not sure what the whole story is behind it but no Carriers in the US want anything to do with Huawei now.
With carrier support and good advertising they could have made a decent splash in the US overtime.
Even if they support band 71 it's a tough sell to spend so much on a phone that won't have any US warranty backing.
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All I know is, Oneplus have come and dominated.
They've provided for everyone.
Bootloader? So so easy.
Speed? The one thing parents and kids need when you hand your phone down to them.
Oneplus stands alone.
Huawei have the know how to be technically and globally dominant, but theyve missed out ingredients that matter.
I'll never buy another huawei, as much as I love it and I did I couldn't commit over £1,000 to a company that gives so much then breaks it with poor policies, awful selling tactics (models) and ridiculed hardware.
Maybe it'll be different one day but ive had this conversation before about a giant (HTC) and they never recovered,.
I'm curious to see how Huawei do next year, I have a feeling that they'll be reversing their decision very soon.
I just fear it'll be too late.
PS I really really wanted the p20 pro to succeed or even has suede hdmi via USB is superb.
They did swerve the bootloader decision and release a firmware for vanilla Android.
Completely blow every other phone out the water.

bobsie41 said:
I think you should go out on a Friday night..... you're looking for something to amuse you. I've had to stop in and have a drink.
I'm quite into this phone apart from the complete lack of updates (I have the UK model)
I don't modify much these days unless I can't utilise the full screen because of onscreen navigation buttons but, luckily, this device has the perfect solution. [emoji3]
I must admit, I loved my HTC desire days....the customisations we could do then....Leedroid...my hero.
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Slightly presumptuous. ,,l, :laugh:
I've lost more hours of life from nights out than I imagine you've lived my friend.
I'm also in the UK, take my guide it helps.
Gets you on 432
Then 131 is close by.
You can't miss, of course , back up.
I totally love that single's button navigation, I couldn't live without it now

dladz said:
All I know is, Oneplus have come and dominated.
They've provided for everyone.
Bootloader? So so easy.
Speed? The one thing parents and kids need when you hand your phone down to them.
Oneplus stands alone.
Huawei have the know how to be technically and globally dominant, but theyve missed out ingredients that matter.
I'll never buy another huawei, as much as I love it and I did I couldn't commit over £1,000 to a company that gives so much then breaks it with poor policies, awful selling tactics (models) and ridiculed hardware.
Maybe it'll be different one day but ive had this conversation before about a giant (HTC) and they never recovered,.
I'm curious to see how Huawei do next year, I have a feeling that they'll be reversing their decision very soon.
I just fear it'll be too late.
PS I really really wanted the p20 pro to succeed or even has suede hdmi via USB is superb.
They did swerve the bootloader decision and release a firmware for vanilla Android.
Completely blow every other phone out the water.
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Yeah for people that like to tinker, oneplus is one of the best options. I just hope they keep improving the camera, o6 is a good start.
Yeah I don't know what Huawei was thinking with so many different varriants. Oneplus did it right they only have two hydrogen os for the Chinese market and oxygen for the rest. The hardware is the same as well.

worldsoutro said:
Yeah for people that like to tinker, oneplus is one of the best options. I just hope they keep improving the camera, o6 is a good start.
Yeah I don't know what Huawei was thinking with so many different varriants. Oneplus did it right they only have two hydrogen os for the Chinese market and oxygen for the rest. The hardware is the same as well.
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Which is superb
Not sure I'd buy the op6 tho.. it wouldn't last as long as the op5.
But I agree with you pal.

The camera, battery, design, screen, storage space, are all far above my expectations. Well done huawei. I'm very glad I did the change from oneplus and Samsung.
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dladz said:
Slightly presumptuous. ,,l, [emoji23]
I've lost more hours of life from nights out than I imagine you've lived my friend.
I'm also in the UK, take my guide it helps.
Gets you on 432
Then 131 is close by.
You can't miss, of course , back up.
I totally love that single's button navigation, I couldn't live without it now
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Wow.
That makes you at least seventy.
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dladz said:
Which is superb
Not sure I'd buy the op6 tho.. it wouldn't last as long as the op5.
But I agree with you pal.
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I think op held back on the battery and going to improve it for o6t

Sold mine. The software update situation was just a joke and frustrated me more than the benefits the rest of the device brought to me.
Shame but learnt my lesson now. Pixel or OnePlus devices for me going forward.

I'm having mixed feelings about the device. I have bought it twice, as I wasn't happy, so I could compare and find out if the problem is the device or me.
So far, I'm very happy with build quality, usability, design, screen and functionality. The camera of my second device is better than the one of the first, but I'm struggling to get good battery life with both. 3 hours DOT, maybe four if I'm lucky. I think that's not really good, and as both devices behave like this, the problem must be me. Not really sure what I'm doing wrong, as even my old rusty iPhone 6 can give me 3 hours of DOT, so I expected a lot more in this aspect. Other than that, I really like this device.

It's amazing
The missing notifications from some apps is a problem, wish someone could do a guide about how to fix that
Also, battery drains pretty fast, i can't get a full-day through it
Are VoLTE and VoWIFI draining the battery faster, any thoughts on that?

Best phoned I ever had. Slow at getting upgrades but can live without it. Battery, camera, performance are fantastic. How people can complain about the battery life? I am a heavy user and and can't kill the battery in one day

I get 3 hours SOT. I don‘t think that‘s stellar.

I switched from Samsung to p20 pro and thats the best ive ever done.
I love the p20 pro, its amazing, the screen, the smotheness, the SOT and so on.....
Greetz

Why is this phone getting crapped on so hard?

Every forum or YouTube videos I watch, all I see is people hating on this phone. I am actually pretty surprised, but how much negativity there is for the Pixel 4 line.
Android police poll, is heavily in the "hell no not buying" as #1
Two big tech forums I belong too, it's like 70% saying no way.
What's the deal?
I have a 64GB Clearly White 4XL on order. I go back to owning, the Nexus-One, Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, Motorola Nexus 6, Nexus 6P, Pixel 2 XL, and Pixel 3 XL. And yes I agree, the Pixel 4 XL could have been better, for the price at least do better than OnePlus, give us 8GB RAM, a larger battery of at least 4,000mAh, a brighter display for outdoor use, go easy n the large forehead bezel, like have the thickness if possible. But saying that, I buy the Nexus Pixel line for the software and monthly security updates.
I am interested in seeing the full blown real reviews this week.

For a few reasons:
1. Not priced like a Nexus / 3a
2. No fingerprint sensor
3. Lack of Ultrawide 3rd camera
4. Small battery
5. Removal of Ultrawide front facing camera
6. Removal of front facing speakers
7. Big top bezel for Soli
8. Soli gimmick
9. Removal of unlimited original photo upload
10. No big leap in camera hardware
11. No surprises since it was leaked all over the place
12. Only 6 GB of RAM (finally)
13. Only Snapdragon 855 instead of 855+ processor
Having said all that, I still have one on preorder.
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Kusanagi Fire said:
For a few reasons:
1. Not priced like a Nexus / 3a
2. No fingerprint sensor
3. Lack of Ultrawide 3rd camera
4. Small battery
5. Removal of Ultrawide front facing camera
6. Removal of front facing speakers
7. Big top bezel for Soli
8. Soli gimmick
9. Removal of unlimited original photo upload
10. No big leap in camera hardware
11. No surprises since it was leaked all over the place
12. Only 6 GB of RAM (finally)
13. Only Snapdragon 855 instead of 855+ processor
Having said all that, I still have one on preorder.
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3,9, and 12 are the disappointment for me. But that price thooooo, they could have gotten more attention if only they priced it right.
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Kusanagi Fire said:
For a few reasons:
1. Not priced like a Nexus / 3a
2. No fingerprint sensor
3. Lack of Ultrawide 3rd camera
4. Small battery
5. Removal of Ultrawide front facing camera
6. Removal of front facing speakers
7. Big top bezel for Soli
8. Soli gimmick
9. Removal of unlimited original photo upload
10. No big leap in camera hardware
11. No surprises since it was leaked all over the place
12. Only 6 GB of RAM (finally)
13. Only Snapdragon 855 instead of 855+ processor
Having said all that, I still have one on preorder.
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4 may be an issue for me but everyone's usage is different so I'll wait to see my personal results before I make a final judgement.
6 is a big one for me. Before the 4XL was officially announced, I was aiming to switch from my OnePlus 7 Pro so I could get front facing speakers. I always end up blocking the bottom speaker when watching stuff in landscape mode.
10 could be a reason for me but not too much since I know it's going to be better than my current OnePlus 7 Pro.
12 is similar to my point for reason 4 (wait until I can test myself). Users say Android 10 is RAM hungry so hopefully that 6 GB is enough.
13, Even though it's a slight upgrade, it would have been nice to get the + variant of the processor.
All other reasons I don't mind too much.
But yeah I do think the phone is getting a bit too much hate.

Honestly, just the fact that last year's Pixel 3 got discounted on Black Friday combined with the fact that the 4 isn't a massive leap in hardware / doesn't check some of the minimal requirements like 8 GB RAM, 855+, and Ultrawide camera (granted, there's not much more ground to cover these days) is reason enough for this phone to get tons of hate.
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Today Flossy admitted that he's been using the 3XL all along. He complained about that one much the way he will complain about this one in the full review. He'll says it's too expensive and many other things. Despite that he'll probably end up making it his work phone just as he did the previous Pixels. I wrote about this elsewhere but a search on Youtube will probably be able to find the dude from Unbox Therapy doing a pertinent video. He was in a suite in Vegas with a bunch of other young millionaires, Brownlee for example. The whole video was what is everyone carrying in their pocket, what was the phone they chose to use. The Pixel tied the iphone with few other phones mixed in. Brownlee had both. It wasn't because they were reviewing it, that was well past review time. It was the phone that millionaires who have tried everything and can afford anything decided they wanted in their pockets. There's a message there.
I do get it, the phone is too expensive for the specs, only a mother could love the looks, it's missing feature X and Y. But I'm sure that I'll enjoy using it in the day to day more than any other phone I could buy. It's always been that way. I couldn't make friends with the 3XL, the notch just killed it for me so I got a 6T. Nothing wrong with that phone but the next thing I knew I was picking up a 3AXL, should have been a downgrade, it was by the numbers. Wasn't long before I realized I wasn't going to use the 6T anymore and gave it to one of my grand kids. I've been using the 3A since.
Let the haters hate and enjoy your purchase. Flossy begin his quick look with talk of giving it a fair trial before he hung it, 5 minutes later he was giggling like a schoolgirl. The Pixel does that...

I agree with most here, the Pixel 4 XL could and should have been better;
- 8GB RAM
- 4,300mAh battery ( like the Note 10+ )
- Brighter display on par with the Galaxy S10 line
- Reduce the forehead bezel, to like half the size if possible, or actually do the Note 10 hole punch, and forget the faceID stuff, and keep the fingerprint scanner.
But it's funny, recent phones that I kept the longest last few years has been the Nexus or Pixel. Yeah I'd get bored with them, then I pick up the latest Samsung Galaxy whatever, and within in a few weeks already regret not having the Pixel. One time I went for the iPhone 7 Plus, when it was the hot new phone, and I was bored with my Nexus 6P, wow what a bad decision, not even a month later ran back to the Nexus, mainly because iOS is a Fischer Price kids OS, and totally blows, feels like a decade old operating system. Or I got the Note 5 at launch, was so happy to have that badass phone, but then I tried to turn it into a Nexus, deleting all the Samsung stuff, and downloading every Google app and setting defaults, and tried to make the Note 5 a Nexus Note LOL, where the phone I traded in for the Note 5 was the Motorola Nexus 6, and that thing was just so smooth, so cool, I regretted getting the Note
Point, the Nexus or Pixel phones, may be ugly, and not have the wham bam cool features, but using it day in day out, I just find them most comfortable and a joy. They are simple, they are minimalist, but they just work, and have a special thing about them.

Unfortunately, Google will never win because nothing is ever good enough for people and they will always complain about something.

techrider6262 said:
Unfortunately, Google will never win because nothing is ever good enough for people and they will always complain about something.
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This!
6GB RAM - My 3xl has 4 and I have ZERO problems running whatever. People need to learn that it's not necessarily about big specs, it's more about optimization. The 4's will run very smoothly with 6. Just because the S10 has 8, and the note has an option of 12 doesn't mean that does anything to speed up the phone.
128GB storage - This option is the same price as the s10 with that same storage. Maybe Google should add a third option with 256? Would that make some of you happy? It would be even more expensive though. But, again, same price as the s10.
Battery - My 3xl has a smaller battery and I get no less than 20+ hours with heavy use. Typically, I'll get 24+ hours on it. With the 90 Hz display being an as needed, I doubt the battery will last less than my 3xl.
Ultrawide camera - I DO have to agree here that it should have that. I know Google's camera's are amazing and this one will definitely be as good as the iPhone or Sammy's, but the ultrawide addition to camera shots would have been nice.
Removal of free original size photo backups - Sooo, Apple NOR Samsung, NOR any other OEM that I'm aware of ever offered this. I'm a system engineer and cloud architect. I'm here to tell you that the amount of storage and bandwidth required for unlimited originals for millions of users is INSANE. You have any idea how much this costs Google? There was no way that would ever last. It's $1.99 and $2.99 per month for the extra storage to keep original backups, plus you get other benefits. Also, grab Google Surveys app and you'll make more than the cost here by far every month. Get over it.
The front facing speakers - Definitely not happy about this. They could have fit the bottom speaker I bet. At least there's still stereo.
Anyway, anyone who wants to hate, please save us all from it and go elsewhere. This phone will be amazing and I'd put it up against ANY other smartphone. It'll be smoother and has release day updates and OS's.
Every year there are people trolling the new pixel (even the Samsung S7 edge though) threads for a couple months after release. It's incredibly stupid. If you don't like the phone, why are you here?

I haven't had time to watch the all reviews yet, but is the 4 XL battery life at least on par with the 3 XL's, or please don't tell me it's actually worse?
My Pixel 3 XL battery life is mediocre, not great, not horrible, I would like better, but certainly not worse, but could makedo with the same battery life. If the 4 XL has worse and less battery life than the Pixel 3 XL, then I need to cancel my preorder.

Zorachus said:
I haven't had time to watch the all reviews yet, but is the 4 XL battery life at least on par with the 3 XL's, or please don't tell me it's actually worse?
My Pixel 3 XL battery life is mediocre, not great, not horrible, I would like better, but certainly not worse, but could makedo with the same battery life. If the 4 XL has worse and less battery life than the Pixel 3 XL, then I need to cancel my preorder.
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I'm trading in my 3xl for the 4xl and I believe the battery life will be the same or better.
It has a larger battery so even the smooth display shouldn't hurt it too much.
The reviews so far today have trashed the 4 but pretty much everyone agreed that the 4xl should be fine.
I'm excited even if the changes are not dramatic from 3xl.

Zorachus said:
I haven't had time to watch the all reviews yet, but is the 4 XL battery life at least on par with the 3 XL's, or please don't tell me it's actually worse?
My Pixel 3 XL battery life is mediocre, not great, not horrible, I would like better, but certainly not worse, but could makedo with the same battery life. If the 4 XL has worse and less battery life than the Pixel 3 XL, then I need to cancel my preorder.
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From The limited reviews and tweets that I have seen, it seems to be holding its own. Averaging between 4 and 6 hours of sot, from the initial reviews. But I'm sure that that will get better, over time, as it learns your usage. Definitely getting through a whole day though, and that's all that's important

I suppose a rooted 4 XL with the Franco kernel and his app Naptime, would extend battery life too?

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I suppose a rooted 4 XL with the Franco kernel and his app Naptime, would extend battery life too?
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Honestly, these days the only reason I root is for custom kernels, and adaway

If the battery optimization time is the same as the 3XL then none of the reviewers have attained their final screen on time yet.

First reviews are out and they say battery life is horrendous, especially on the 4. I'll pass. Too expensive for too many compromises.

I have Android 10 running on my OG Pixel XL and have zero problems with it on an older chipset and 4 GBs, but I'm sure the extra 2 GBs will be beneficial/noticeable regardless.
I suppose the people complaining the loudest fall into 1 of the following 2 categories: trolls/iphone fanbois or people who don't feel the upgrade from the 3 (or any of the last gen phones) -> 4 is worthwhile. While that's a valid concern, it's worth noting that in recent years the yearly revision has become less substantial in recent years. I've held off for 3 years so going from the OG XL to 4 XL will be a massive improvement and something I'm greatly looking forward to.

msaitta said:
I have Android 10 running on my OG Pixel XL and have zero problems with it on an older chipset and 4 GBs, but I'm sure the extra 2 GBs will be beneficial/noticeable regardless.
I suppose the people complaining the loudest fall into 1 of the following 2 categories: trolls/iphone fanbois or people who don't feel the upgrade from the 3 (or any of the last gen phones) -> 4 is worthwhile. While that's a valid concern, it's worth noting that in recent years the yearly revision has become less substantial in recent years. I've held off for 3 years so going from the OG XL to 4 XL will be a massive improvement and something I'm greatly looking forward to.
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Every phone I've pre-ordered, it always starts the same way. Everyone has something to complain about before they even have the phone in their own hands. After awhile, the complaining, for the most part, dies down, and people realize they love the device. What boggles my mind is, why come to the forum to complain? Nobody forces an individual to buy the phone, let alone pre-order it. Instead of focusing on the negative, focus on the positives.

I'm going to vent a little bit...
I'm an older guy (48) and I've been doing tech and gadgets for over 20 years now. I love this site and have participated on and off for many years. There is a problem growing online and it is only going to get worse. The system here isn't equipped to counter a growing troll problem, so we all fall prey to the effects. Every aspect of the online consumer space is being manipulated by "troll farms" and it is obliterating the signal-to-noise ratio in everything from entertainment to personal devices. Across the board, every device is eventually portrayed to have some fatal flaw rendering it inferior. When in actuality, it can adequately perform the primary task and may only fall short in a single aspect depending on a very specific need that varies individually by consumer.
I used to participate here rather frequently, then I began to only stop by during a device's release to gauge anticipations and thoughts. Every year the noise has increased. Not just here though, almost every forum beyond a certain size has the same issue. Online sources and articles are not immune and are populated with extremely vocal "detractors" in the comment sections, they rally with a frequency and voracity that no ordinary working person could maintain. The methods used by professional trolls is complex, and unfortunately, PROFITABLE.
Without giving too much personal information, my wife WAS a partner in one of the largest PR firms in the U.S., and I can tell you that troll farms and bogus self-cross-referring review sources are real. Her firm never participated, but they could see it coming and now there's an entire "dark" branch of marketing and PR that has arisen (some would say re-emerged) that essentially has the ethics model of the old cigarette industry with the agility of a modern digital campaign.
So if you're wrestling with specs, don't kill yourself searching for the ultimate device. You can do three things and I promise you'll be as happy as you can be.
If you really care about what you're going to buy ,to the point that it may cause a devastating case of buyer's remorse you should:
- First, make lists. Make a list of what's important, make a list of what specs make your tech-feels tingle, make a list of devices and start prioritizing and crossing off.
- Second, do a one afternoon search (not one second longer) of trusted reviews and ignore very tilted reviews.
- Third, and this is crazy... Go to a store, look at the physical functioning device and play with it.
This should be an extra separate step, but whatever, I'm not going back to edit...
- Buy what you want and be prepared to return it within 30 days and pay a restocking fee. Don't like the fee? Too bad, that's life... If you don't like something you may have to pay to return it, it's the world we live in.
This should be one more step too. Damn, I really messed up.
- Unless you are doing ongoing development NEVER revisit the topic of purchasing and specs. Go and enjoy your device and every once and a while keep up with updates and new features. There's a whole life to live out there, so don't waste your energy spec-gazing or griping with trolls.
Online communities are becoming less valuable to me every day because of the noise, it's unfortunate.

Dusty Rhodes said:
I'm going to vent a little bit...
I'm an older guy (48) and I've been doing tech and gadgets for over 20 years now. I love this site and have participated on and off for many years. There is a problem growing online and it is only going to get worse. The system here isn't equipped to counter a growing troll problem, so we all fall prey to the effects. Every aspect of the online consumer space is being manipulated by "troll farms" and it is obliterating the signal-to-noise ratio in everything from entertainment to personal devices. Across the board, every device is eventually portrayed to have some fatal flaw rendering it inferior. When in actuality, it can adequately perform the primary task and may only fall short in a single aspect depending on a very specific need that varies individually by consumer.
I used to participate here rather frequently, then I began to only stop by during a device's release to gauge anticipations and thoughts. Every year the noise has increased. Not just here though, almost every forum beyond a certain size has the same issue. Online sources and articles are not immune and are populated with extremely vocal "detractors" in the comment sections, they rally with a frequency and voracity that no ordinary working person could maintain. The methods used by professional trolls is complex, and unfortunately, PROFITABLE.
Without giving too much personal information, my wife WAS a partner in one of the largest PR firms in the U.S., and I can tell you that troll farms and bogus self-cross-referring review sources are real. Her firm never participated, but they could see it coming and now there's an entire "dark" branch of marketing and PR that has arisen (some would say re-emerged) that essentially has the ethics model of the old cigarette industry with the agility of a modern digital campaign.
So if you're wrestling with specs, don't kill yourself searching for the ultimate device. You can do three things and I promise you'll be as happy as you can be.
If you really care about what you're going to buy ,to the point that it may cause a devastating case of buyer's remorse you should:
- First, make lists. Make a list of what's important, make a list of what specs make your tech-feels tingle, make a list of devices and start prioritizing and crossing off.
- Second, do a one afternoon search (not one second longer) of trusted reviews and ignore very tilted reviews.
- Third, and this is crazy... Go to a store, look at the physical functioning device and play with it.
This should be an extra separate step, but whatever, I'm not going back to edit...
- Buy what you want and be prepared to return it within 30 days and pay a restocking fee. Don't like the fee? Too bad, that's life... If you don't like something you may have to pay to return it, it's the world we live in.
This should be one more step too. Damn, I really messed up.
- Unless you are doing ongoing development NEVER revisit the topic of purchasing and specs. Go and enjoy your device and every once and a while keep up with updates and new features. There's a whole life to live out there, so don't waste your energy spec-gazing or griping with trolls.
Online communities are becoming less valuable to me every day because of the noise, it's unfortunate.
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Absolutely this. It's pretty darn clear that some people in the crowd are trying to spike the punch. Don't obsess over the minutiae, don't allow yourself to be herded just because it seems like sentiment is tilted one way. Figure out what you want out of a phone (is an ultra-wide camera REALLY make/break for you, or are you only thinking that because XYZ said to?). Put your hands on the device by visiting a Best Buy or carrier store. And lastly, recognize that software learns your habits (battery life after a few days won't tell you what long-term battery life means) and also gets updated (features get added, functionality becomes improved).
Be aware of the echo chamber effect and do your best to make up your own mind about the worthiness of a phone.