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Bye Nexus 5, Bye Google. Hello Apple.

Almost 3 years being with Google - Coming from a Nokia -
Only if the LG Phone Nexus 5 was builtt as good or better than ****, but it was so flimsy, in spite of being well taken care of all the components kept breaking -
And then there is the android system, I like Android (Oh and thanks god for Cataclysm ROM it made the nexus experience even better) , I like the new Android M too, but inconsistency, bugs that got in the way of your productive such as the memory leak in the android kitkat, and then the wifi drain in Android M. But I did not actually experience the Android M Wifi battery drain (I don't think I did); but I still experienced WiFi using a lot of battery, maybe another bug maybe not.
But the main reason I leave google's nexus line (the only line I would consider for staying with google): Cheaply built phones, that don't last, that have all kinds of hardware problem. Whether its Huwaie, or LG (disgusting). I remember my nexus 5 started to have problems 5 days before the warranty expired, I was busy and called immediately the day after it expired but neither google or lg were willing to help. And then after replacing part after part on my nexus 5, other hardware problems just eventually gave in - a phone barely lasted 2.5 years, without me applying thermal paste and replacing other components.
Now I am with iPhone and I have to say - well built, clean software, not as customizable YES, but, it does not get in the way of my productivity, specially with hardware problems. It's time for Android fans to start criticizing google, and it's cheap phones, I want Google to be able to compete with Apple, but at this moment, Apple is superior to google, seriously.

> phone barely lasted 2.5 years
Apple isn't going to be any different unfortunately. Good news is that their eco-system is well constructed and the scenarios that they do support, work very well.
Best of luck. I just came to Nexus 5 after leaving Windows Phone, where I couldn't stand the "coming soon". Honestly the fact that the Nexus 5 is still running strong was the primary motivation for me to move.

PFFF I have both F***& Apple biggest POS I have ever used

It's your choice!
I'l see u back on this forum after a couple of years when google gets his stuff together!

What parts did you have to constantly replace?

"so flimsy, in spite of being well taken care of"
Really? Seriously? Did you leave it in a drawer? Things just don't break.
It's always sad to see someone go over to the technologically-illiterate side. Apple's hardware & software may be well-made and well-integrated, but you never actually own your iDevice - you just rent it. If you jailbreak it they feel entitled to brick it, I've heard. Naturally I haven't got concrete evidence with my own eyes, because their ethos is so utterly repellent to me that I could never give them a cent.
"neither google or lg were willing to help". Really? When my own N5's radio stopped working after 18 months after the battery ran down to zero (which I appreciate sort of conflicts with my first statement, but bear with me), supposedly outside warranty, Google replaced it without a murmur. I got a "refurbished" phone which was to my eyes absolutely new, and which is still working perfectly with Marshmallow 6.0.1.
I know full well that this is a pointless and stupid argument. You like Apple or you don't. I don't. Marmite/Vegemite. But to proclaim in an Android forum that your Android experience isn't as good as your new Apple experience (after how much time, I wonder...?) is a particularly pointless waste of time.
So I'll stop wasting mine now.

Was it necessary to let us know that you switched to a different phone?

Good for you.
Beat it.

What's the point?

This was kind of "If you need me I'll be jogging for the next hour", "but I didn't ask" "Well, just in case you wanted to know, I'm running" "Um... I didn't want to know"
I like my iPhone fine, but I wouldn't stick my neck out in an Android forum to point that out unless I was spoiling for a trolling.
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I prefer android myself and have found the build quality on the nexus 5 not very good, but you get what you pay for i guess.
I dont like the apple OS but they make great hardware for sure, their stuff just shouts quality , however im sure you could find similar quality in some android phones too, htc etc

Well, my experience with Apple wasn't good... Bought all the models until 5c (couldn't afford 5) and have to tell that Apple throws a way their models leaving the behind with a ios that does not work properly (last ios for each model)... And as well lot of hardware problems still have some where a 4s and a 5c somewhere at home... Good luck and save a lot to buy their "New product"

I agree about one thing pretty much all Android phones have had so-so build quality over the years. Now that has changed as more and more start to build in metal. Now this does not account for actual better quality but the perception of quality is much greater. I know I will never buy a plastic phone again they just feel cheep no matter whay. Only Nokia has basically been able to make plastic feel good in the past with the Lumia line.
At the moment I have a Huawei Mate S, iPhone 6S Plus and a Nokia Lumia 1520. Out of these three, I hold the Mate S as the superior build. It just feels best in the hand. As big screen as the iPhone but a lot smaller in the hand and it looks even better. An impressive piece of engineering indeed.
However this leads me to your trouble. (somethat) Only the Huawei has it's small issues from time to time with wakelocks. This has almost been the case for me with most Androids I've had over the years (and I've had a lot). Android has had these kind of battery draining bugs for so long it's sickening. Something I never experience on either Windows Mobile/Phone nor iOS. Specially iOS feels more polished than anything else on the market, albeit limited in comparison.
That being said, I use my Mate S as a daily driver now, which has the "mobile radio active" bug that's in Lollipop but for me it thankfully does not seem to affect battery life when it happens (daily), it's just a statistical error. Knowing it's there the system feels inferior in use. I have to worry about my usage at times when I'm not on WIFI. With my other phones I feel more at ease.
Each system has their strenghts and weaknesses. I'm no fanboy in either way and having three mobile OS's to chose from at any given day feels great. Something more people should adapt. Stop defending one system so much just because you own it at the moment. Just enjoy what is out there! But do not necessarily speak open about it like this because not many will care. Nature of people is that they get offended and enter defensive mode.

OP, congratulations on your new phone and hope it is everything you are looking for.
Now before this turns into an Apple vs Android thread (which we have had many over the years) going to close this.
Thanks
FNM

how are you getting on with your p20 pro? is it all you expected?

Just wanted to get a feel for how people are with their p20 pros
Personally I want to change very little.about it, I'm rooted and have my normal rooted apps, adaway, titanium, 1 magisk module swap torpedo (kills the swap file, not needed for 6GB of RAM)
Other than that, the theme, the signal location, the camera, it's all pretty amazing.
I expected more from the battery but I can live with it.
The only thing I think that will annoy me is the lack of ROMs, but it's hurting a lot less than it did on other odd devices I've bought:
Sony Z1
Note 4
I think if Huawei would have flooded the globe with one variant with Google esq updates, it would have been one of those phones that alter a generation , kind of like the HD2 and Nexus devices did and Oneplus devices are.
Instead we've got several variants with a completely insane and i mean insane after market development scene, it's like everyone got the memo but me lol.
How have you found yours for the time youve had it?

I love it.
The battery is immense, and because I regularly have days with 8hrs plus SoT, it's a godsend.
I knew the camera was good, but it's better than I hoped, so much so that I got rid of my compact camera and my DSLR gets much less use these days.
I don't understand what you mean by lack of apps?
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Lack of US supports hurts. I really like the p20 pro but if the p30 pro next year doesn't support tmobile band 71 then this will be my last Huawei device.

orangecroc said:
I love it.
The battery is immense, and because I regularly have days with 8hrs plus SoT, it's a godsend.
I knew the camera was good, but it's better than I hoped, so much so that I got rid of my compact camera and my DSLR gets much less use these days.
I don't understand what you mean by lack of apps?
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Sorry pal I meant lack of ROMs.
8 hours? Not bad but consider if it was as well optimized as hear vanilla phones.
Oneplus 5 835 - No limits ROM. 14 hours 30 minutes.
Battery size is 3400 Vs the Huawei having 4000
Lol I expected more
We should be clearing 10 hours daily

worldsoutro said:
Lack of US supports hurts. I really like the p20 pro but if the p30 pro next year doesn't support tmobile band 71 then this will be my last Huawei device.
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Think that decision has been made.
I think they're missing a massive part of the market tbh.
I got they reconsider, I really do.
1 model
1 target audience
Quick updates
Bootloader unlocking
That is all I need.
= A healthy community.
Bare in mind, were the people who or families and friends ask when they want to buy a phone.
I can't recommend Huawei anymore.
I wish I could.

dladz said:
Just wanted to get a feel for how people are with their p20 pros
Personally I want to change very little.about it, I'm rooted and have my normal rooted apps, adaway, titanium, 1 magisk module swap torpedo (kills the swap file, not needed for 6GB of RAM)
Other than that, the theme, the signal location, the camera, it's all pretty amazing.
I expected more from the battery but I can live with it.
The only thing I think that will annoy me is the lack of ROMs, but it's hurting a lot less than it did on other odd devices I've bought:
Sony Z1
Note 4
I think if Huawei would have flooded the globe with one variant with Google esq updates, it would have been one of those phones that alter a generation , kind of like the HD2 and Nexus devices did and Oneplus devices are.
Instead we've got several variants with a completely insane and i mean insane after market development scene, it's like everyone got the memo but me lol.
How have you found yours for the time youve had it?
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I think you should go out on a Friday night..... you're looking for something to amuse you. I've had to stop in and have a drink.
I'm quite into this phone apart from the complete lack of updates (I have the UK model)
I don't modify much these days unless I can't utilise the full screen because of onscreen navigation buttons but, luckily, this device has the perfect solution. [emoji3]
I must admit, I loved my HTC desire days....the customisations we could do then....Leedroid...my hero.
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dladz said:
Think that decision has been made.
I think they're missing a massive part of the market tbh.
I got they reconsider, I really do.
1 model
1 target audience
Quick updates
Bootloader unlocking
That is all I need.
= A healthy community.
Bare in mind, were the people who or families and friends ask when they want to buy a phone.
I can't recommend Huawei anymore.
I wish I could.
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That decision was made for them by the US government. I am not sure what the whole story is behind it but no Carriers in the US want anything to do with Huawei now.
With carrier support and good advertising they could have made a decent splash in the US overtime.
Even if they support band 71 it's a tough sell to spend so much on a phone that won't have any US warranty backing.

worldsoutro said:
That decision was made for them by the US government. I am not sure what the whole story is behind it but no Carriers in the US want anything to do with Huawei now.
With carrier support and good advertising they could have made a decent splash in the US overtime.
Even if they support band 71 it's a tough sell to spend so much on a phone that won't have any US warranty backing.
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All I know is, Oneplus have come and dominated.
They've provided for everyone.
Bootloader? So so easy.
Speed? The one thing parents and kids need when you hand your phone down to them.
Oneplus stands alone.
Huawei have the know how to be technically and globally dominant, but theyve missed out ingredients that matter.
I'll never buy another huawei, as much as I love it and I did I couldn't commit over £1,000 to a company that gives so much then breaks it with poor policies, awful selling tactics (models) and ridiculed hardware.
Maybe it'll be different one day but ive had this conversation before about a giant (HTC) and they never recovered,.
I'm curious to see how Huawei do next year, I have a feeling that they'll be reversing their decision very soon.
I just fear it'll be too late.
PS I really really wanted the p20 pro to succeed or even has suede hdmi via USB is superb.
They did swerve the bootloader decision and release a firmware for vanilla Android.
Completely blow every other phone out the water.

bobsie41 said:
I think you should go out on a Friday night..... you're looking for something to amuse you. I've had to stop in and have a drink.
I'm quite into this phone apart from the complete lack of updates (I have the UK model)
I don't modify much these days unless I can't utilise the full screen because of onscreen navigation buttons but, luckily, this device has the perfect solution. [emoji3]
I must admit, I loved my HTC desire days....the customisations we could do then....Leedroid...my hero.
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Slightly presumptuous. ,,l, :laugh:
I've lost more hours of life from nights out than I imagine you've lived my friend.
I'm also in the UK, take my guide it helps.
Gets you on 432
Then 131 is close by.
You can't miss, of course , back up.
I totally love that single's button navigation, I couldn't live without it now

dladz said:
All I know is, Oneplus have come and dominated.
They've provided for everyone.
Bootloader? So so easy.
Speed? The one thing parents and kids need when you hand your phone down to them.
Oneplus stands alone.
Huawei have the know how to be technically and globally dominant, but theyve missed out ingredients that matter.
I'll never buy another huawei, as much as I love it and I did I couldn't commit over £1,000 to a company that gives so much then breaks it with poor policies, awful selling tactics (models) and ridiculed hardware.
Maybe it'll be different one day but ive had this conversation before about a giant (HTC) and they never recovered,.
I'm curious to see how Huawei do next year, I have a feeling that they'll be reversing their decision very soon.
I just fear it'll be too late.
PS I really really wanted the p20 pro to succeed or even has suede hdmi via USB is superb.
They did swerve the bootloader decision and release a firmware for vanilla Android.
Completely blow every other phone out the water.
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Yeah for people that like to tinker, oneplus is one of the best options. I just hope they keep improving the camera, o6 is a good start.
Yeah I don't know what Huawei was thinking with so many different varriants. Oneplus did it right they only have two hydrogen os for the Chinese market and oxygen for the rest. The hardware is the same as well.

worldsoutro said:
Yeah for people that like to tinker, oneplus is one of the best options. I just hope they keep improving the camera, o6 is a good start.
Yeah I don't know what Huawei was thinking with so many different varriants. Oneplus did it right they only have two hydrogen os for the Chinese market and oxygen for the rest. The hardware is the same as well.
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Which is superb
Not sure I'd buy the op6 tho.. it wouldn't last as long as the op5.
But I agree with you pal.

The camera, battery, design, screen, storage space, are all far above my expectations. Well done huawei. I'm very glad I did the change from oneplus and Samsung.
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dladz said:
Slightly presumptuous. ,,l, [emoji23]
I've lost more hours of life from nights out than I imagine you've lived my friend.
I'm also in the UK, take my guide it helps.
Gets you on 432
Then 131 is close by.
You can't miss, of course , back up.
I totally love that single's button navigation, I couldn't live without it now
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Wow.
That makes you at least seventy.
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dladz said:
Which is superb
Not sure I'd buy the op6 tho.. it wouldn't last as long as the op5.
But I agree with you pal.
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I think op held back on the battery and going to improve it for o6t

Sold mine. The software update situation was just a joke and frustrated me more than the benefits the rest of the device brought to me.
Shame but learnt my lesson now. Pixel or OnePlus devices for me going forward.

I'm having mixed feelings about the device. I have bought it twice, as I wasn't happy, so I could compare and find out if the problem is the device or me.
So far, I'm very happy with build quality, usability, design, screen and functionality. The camera of my second device is better than the one of the first, but I'm struggling to get good battery life with both. 3 hours DOT, maybe four if I'm lucky. I think that's not really good, and as both devices behave like this, the problem must be me. Not really sure what I'm doing wrong, as even my old rusty iPhone 6 can give me 3 hours of DOT, so I expected a lot more in this aspect. Other than that, I really like this device.

It's amazing
The missing notifications from some apps is a problem, wish someone could do a guide about how to fix that
Also, battery drains pretty fast, i can't get a full-day through it
Are VoLTE and VoWIFI draining the battery faster, any thoughts on that?

Best phoned I ever had. Slow at getting upgrades but can live without it. Battery, camera, performance are fantastic. How people can complain about the battery life? I am a heavy user and and can't kill the battery in one day

I get 3 hours SOT. I don‘t think that‘s stellar.

I switched from Samsung to p20 pro and thats the best ive ever done.
I love the p20 pro, its amazing, the screen, the smotheness, the SOT and so on.....
Greetz

iPhone to Android?

Hi,
So, currently I am using iPhone Xs and I feel this is the right time to make a switch to an android phone.
I have been using IOS since last 7 years, I update my phone every year with the latest apple offering.
I have used android(galaxy S5 it was I guess) for a brief period of time and to be honest hated it. But now what I have known after reading so much about android that it has come a long way and does most of the things better than iPhones.
Would like to know how the transition would be? As have said using iPhone since past 7 years will I find it difficult to get used to android os? has anyone else did this jump from iOS to android? Also have been reading that app quality on iOS is better than android, is that even remotely true? One thing I am really going to miss is the emoji, which on android look so alien and cartoonish.
I am really bored to death with iOS, nothing has changed in the last many years. One can’t customise it and give it a new look, other than changing he wallpaper, that too is hardly visible due to those apps. Have invested a lot on apple ecosystem but now I refuse to pay more for the basic things like ringtones. Yes, I have over 70 ringtones which I have bought from iTunes store along with many songs.
Initially Pixel 3(smaller one) was on my radar but then in few months time pixel 4 will be out so buying pixel 3 now doesn’t make sense, it also is slightly overpriced for what it offers. So, now I’m left with galaxy S10(no plus version, too big). Is it good for someone who is coming from iOS? On screen fingerprint scanner not too accurate and gives trouble unlocking the phone? Battery life on exynos?
Will be really very grateful if you guys can help me in everything which I should know before jumping to android bandwagon. Thanks!

Holysmokee said:
Hi,
So, currently I am using iPhone Xs and I feel this is the right time to make a switch to an android phone.
I have been using IOS since last 7 years, I update my phone every year with the latest apple offering.
I have used android(galaxy S5 it was I guess) for a brief period of time and to be honest hated it. But now what I have known after reading so much about android that it has come a long way and does most of the things better than iPhones.
Would like to know how the transition would be? As have said using iPhone since past 7 years will I find it difficult to get used to android os? has anyone else did this jump from iOS to android? Also have been reading that app quality on iOS is better than android, is that even remotely true? One thing I am really going to miss is the emoji, which on android look so alien and cartoonish.
I am really bored to death with iOS, nothing has changed in the last many years. One can’t customise it and give it a new look, other than changing he wallpaper, that too is hardly visible due to those apps. Have invested a lot on apple ecosystem but now I refuse to pay more for the basic things like ringtones. Yes, I have over 70 ringtones which I have bought from iTunes store along with many songs.
Initially Pixel 3(smaller one) was on my radar but then in few months time pixel 4 will be out so buying pixel 3 now doesn’t make sense, it also is slightly overpriced for what it offers. So, now I’m left with galaxy S10(no plus version, too big). Is it good for someone who is coming from iOS? On screen fingerprint scanner not too accurate and gives trouble unlocking the phone? Battery life on exynos?
Will be really very grateful if you guys can help me in everything which I should know before jumping to android bandwagon. Thanks!
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I normally use android, but sometimes use iPhone from time to time, just for fun. Most phone do similar things these days and I don't really think that Android will be that different as it was many years ago.
So when you buy S10(the normal version), you would be able to transfer your data via Samsung Smart Switch and most of the time the phone will ask you during the setup process. If for some reason, you weren't offered to transfer data, you can do it using aforementioned Smart Switch app/option. Samsung also puts an adapter in the box, so you can use cable to transfer data from old phone or do it over the air (your choice, but cable is faster)
App quality is getting better. For example you may/may not notice the fluidity of the apps. The scrolling of some iPhone apps might be a be smoother than Android versions. In my case, I personally don't notice it much as I do think that quality for both platforms went up.
As you mentioned above, the customization of Android is pretty much endless and it is a joy to use Every time when I put my sim into iPhone 7, I come across few issues and want to do back to Android. For example at home, I can set my Galaxy S10e to stay unlocked, but in iPhone I can't. Also in the car, I can tell my phone to not lock the device when it is connected to a Bluetooth device(car, watch, headset and so on). My phone can easily play music through 2 Bluetooth speakers simultaneously. One hand mode is also present, multi window, picture in picture is there too! I remember Samsung had 1 month trial for Apple iPhone users where they would use the phone and if didn't like, easily could return it back - don't know is they still do that. In any case, you can buy the phone from Samsung.com and you will have about 2 weeks, try it out and see.

Holysmokee said:
Hi,
So, currently I am using iPhone Xs and I feel this is the right time to make a switch to an android phone.
I have been using IOS since last 7 years, I update my phone every year with the latest apple offering.
I have used android(galaxy S5 it was I guess) for a brief period of time and to be honest hated it. But now what I have known after reading so much about android that it has come a long way and does most of the things better than iPhones.
Would like to know how the transition would be? As have said using iPhone since past 7 years will I find it difficult to get used to android os? has anyone else did this jump from iOS to android? Also have been reading that app quality on iOS is better than android, is that even remotely true? One thing I am really going to miss is the emoji, which on android look so alien and cartoonish.
I am really bored to death with iOS, nothing has changed in the last many years. One can’t customise it and give it a new look, other than changing he wallpaper, that too is hardly visible due to those apps. Have invested a lot on apple ecosystem but now I refuse to pay more for the basic things like ringtones. Yes, I have over 70 ringtones which I have bought from iTunes store along with many songs.
Initially Pixel 3(smaller one) was on my radar but then in few months time pixel 4 will be out so buying pixel 3 now doesn’t make sense, it also is slightly overpriced for what it offers. So, now I’m left with galaxy S10(no plus version, too big). Is it good for someone who is coming from iOS? On screen fingerprint scanner not too accurate and gives trouble unlocking the phone? Battery life on exynos?
Will be really very grateful if you guys can help me in everything which I should know before jumping to android bandwagon. Thanks!
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My son has been an Iphone user for years and has an S10 now.
Het went over with the S8.
I have asked him which system he preferred and he told me that 95% of the 2 systems (IOS vs Android) are identical in usage but the fact that he has so many more choices in Android makes that is his preference of choice.
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This phone is an insult to consumers

Oneplus 7T at $599, iPhone 11 at $699 and google gives us a $799 phone with a tiny battery and stingy specs. What were they thinking?
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barondebxl said:
Oneplus 7T at $599, iPhone 11 at $699 and google gives us a $799 phone with a tiny battery and stingy specs. What were they thinking?
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I looked at the iPhone 11 a day or so ago and the only one that compared to the P4 is the iPhone 11 Pro which costs $999 not $699. The regular iPhone 11 is big and ugly whereas the Pro version looks great. But that's $200 more than the P4 with very similar specs camera wise, size and performance. I presume that since Apple doesn't allow much modification of the OS or features that 4GB ram will be enough since they tend to optimize pretty well. I say wait a bit before trashing either device or saying one is better than the other. It just came out yesterday by golly.

This is neither a question nor an answer. Also, can we wait a bit before trashing a new device that was just announced? There aren't even any in-depth reviews in the wild.
Also:
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What.

I think that people cried for many years asking for more RAM in the Pixels.
Now we have extra 2GB of RAM, extra 30Hz display and a 7nm SoC for 90€-100€ less than the Pixel 3. (Pixel 3 was 860€ last week, Pixel 4 is 760€ this week, in Spain Google store).
(I'm not talking about the other features because I just consider they are optional or just even with what we had).
Considering that. the phone is amazing and a decent upgrade for my Pixel 2.
What I can't be happy about is the battery life. I think battery life in Android has been always a ****. I have great battery life (still much worse than 23 months ago) on my Pixel 2 at home. But in another country/city (and specially in an hotel I'm staying) where I work, battery life is much worse. I still can't figure out what's the reason. Signal doesn't seem different. And my phone is telling me this useless info with a system app with no-name which is probably the guilty:
https://imgur.com/a/ySRAtyP
So personally I'm not excited about the Pixel 4, because the Google the Pixel 2 is not delivering a full day of battery where I'm living Monday to Thursday (Zürich), and at home I get more than a day (sometimes I can get 36 hours with at least 3 SoT at home city), but at "work" city I get half of a day no matter if I use the phone or not. It gets crazy.
And I know the Pixel 4 will be fine for 12 months, but will become a problem after that, just like happened with my Pixel 2.
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thesebastian said:
I think that people cried for many years asking for more RAM in the Pixels.
Now we have extra 2GB of RAM, extra 30Hz display and a 7nm SoC for 90€-100€ less than the Pixel 3. (Pixel 3 was 860€ last week, Pixel 4 is 760€ this week, in Spain Google store).
(I'm not talking about the other features because I just consider they are optional or just even with what we had).
Considering that. the phone is amazing and a decent upgrade for my Pixel 2.
What I can't be happy about is the battery life. I think battery life in Android has been always a ****. I have great battery life (still much worse than 23 months ago) on my Pixel 2 at home. But in another country/city (and specially in an hotel I'm staying) where I work, battery life is much worse. I still can't figure out what's the reason. Signal doesn't seem different. And my phone is telling me this useless info with a system app with no-name which is probably the guilty:
So personally I'm not excited about the Pixel 4, because the Google the Pixel 2 is not delivering a full day of battery where I'm living Monday to Thursday (Zürich), and at home I get more than a day (sometimes I can get 36 hours with at least 3 SoT at home city), but at "work" city I get half of a day no matter if I use the phone or not. It gets crazy.
And I know the Pixel 4 will be fine for 12 months, but will become a problem after that, just like happened with my Pixel 2.
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You know there will be those that now say.. only 6GB? We need 8! lol As for battery in various locations I have found the same and I'm not sure why either. I can be on my wifi or even on LTE in my home town but when I spend some time in NYC the battery drops like crazy. One of these days I'll do a dump and send it off to Better BS to analyze. But for now I just plug it in for a few minutes somewhere when I can get to my USB C connector. It's rare that over a 15 or 16 hour period I'd lose full battery.
But you say that your new P4 will last a year with acceptable battery. Why is that a problem if you're getting a P5 in October of 2020? You are right?

bobby janow said:
You know there will be those that now say.. only 6GB? We need 8! lol As for battery in various locations I have found the same and I'm not sure why either. I can be on my wifi or even on LTE in my home town but when I spend some time in NYC the battery drops like crazy. One of these days I'll do a dump and send it off to Better BS to analyze. But for now I just plug it in for a few minutes somewhere when I can get to my USB C connector. It's rare that over a 15 or 16 hour period I'd lose full battery.
But you say that your new P4 will last a year with acceptable battery. Why is that a problem if you're getting a P5 in October of 2020? You are right?
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Well, the only problem with that. Is that I like to buy things that last. Example: My Pixel 2 will go for my lady... She's a proud user of a Nexus 5X, so this will be a hell of an upgrade. The Nexus 5X will go to my mother, which barely uses a phone.
So this is why I care about Pixels lasting as much as possible.
(I'll probably replace Pixel 2 battery life with a new one next year, giving up the water resistance).
Also I'm not sure I'll get the 5.. with the new pricing, maybe yes. If it goes back to the old pricing. I'll stick with the Pixel 4, at least 2 years.
I'm sure we put a Custom ROM in any Pixel, without many "AI" stuff etc, and we will probably get great battery life.
Last time I tried this....was a month ago (to install a Kernel with wireguard support, because I wanted to try VPN when travelling) but then google pay stopped working....And I don't have time for Magisk, root and all that (or maybe I don't like putting to many hacks on it). So that was the only day I did 2 factory resets in a day LOL spent the entire afternoon / evening.
As for battery, the main issue is that I'm staying in a hotel where I don't know wtf is going on but my battery drains like crazy...Today I'm trying Airplane mode + WiFi. (Yesterday I had to disable/clear/forcestop Chrome because something was leeching battery, even if it was disabled, probably SystemWebView).
Next week I'll try completely airplane mode.

barondebxl said:
Oneplus 7T at $599, iPhone 11 at $699 and google gives us a $799 phone with a tiny battery and stingy specs. What were they thinking?
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Soooo get one of those devices? Why complain about one you haven't even tried because of what you perceive based on specs?

bobby janow said:
I looked at the iPhone 11 a day or so ago and the only one that compared to the P4 is the iPhone 11 Pro which costs $999 not $699. The regular iPhone 11 is big and ugly whereas the Pro version looks great. But that's $200 more than the P4 with very similar specs camera wise, size and performance. I presume that since Apple doesn't allow much modification of the OS or features that 4GB ram will be enough since they tend to optimize pretty well. I say wait a bit before trashing either device or saying one is better than the other. It just came out yesterday by golly.
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Ugly to whom? The iPhone XR outsold the iPhone XS and XS max and both those phones look like the 11 pro/pro max from the front. The XR looks just like the 11 from the front and will outsold the others again so it’s seems like ppl don’t find it that ugly.
The 11 pro being $200 more than the pixel 4 is 1000% a better buy than the pixel 4. Battery life is fantastic, so are the cameras and they are more versatile. The pixel 4 is a terrible buy.
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Alcolawl said:
This is neither a question nor an answer. Also, can we wait a bit before trashing a new device that was just announced? There aren't even any in-depth reviews in the wild.
Also:
What.
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Do you need to wait for a device to be out to scrutinize it? Since when? Usually iPhone users are the gullible ones to spend lots of money on a device that doesn’t offer equal value. You’re ok spending $800 plus tax on a device that has a tiny battery and is clearly inferior to other offerings at the same price or cheaper?
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Soooo get one of those devices? Why complain about one you haven't even tried because of what you perceive based on specs?
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Uhhh..... yeah. That is a dumb question I’m sorry to say that. Ok let me give you an example so you can realize how dumb that is. Let’s say google announces a pixel 4 with a 2200 mah battery, a snapdragon 845 and a single camera for $999. You mean to tell me I’d have to wait to have the device in hand in order to have an opinion about it? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Since when cant we have an opinion based on specs?
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Ok this thread is a waste of valuable energy. The op is trolling us. Let's not give it oxygen. Outta here for good. Do the same.

barondebxl said:
Uhhh..... yeah. That is a dumb question I’m sorry to say that. Ok let me give you an example so you can realize how dumb that is. Let’s say google announces a pixel 4 with a 2200 mah battery, a snapdragon 845 and a single camera for $999. You mean to tell me I’d have to wait to have the device in hand in order to have an opinion about it? Do you realize how stupid that sounds? Since when cant we have an opinion based on specs?
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I think you missed the point. Why are you complaining about the device instead of simply choosing one of the other options?

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I think you missed the point. Why are you complaining about the device instead of simply choosing one of the other options?
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I didn’t miss the point. HAs it occurred to you that maybe I was anticipating the pixel 4 and was very disappointed after the announcement? Which is why I’m sharing my thoughts here. Even if I wasn’t, last I check I’m entitled to express my opinion.
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barondebxl said:
Oneplus 7T at $599, iPhone 11 at $699 and google gives us a $799 phone with a tiny battery and stingy specs. What were they thinking?
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Great news for you then, so I hope you enjoy your Oneplus or iPhone and it brings you joy. Bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out

That's the same thread as many others, with the same complaint as many others.
If you don't like don't buy it.
And please, close the thread

barondebxl said:
Thank you but I’m still going strong. I love how sensitive you guys are, worst than iPhone fanboys [emoji16]
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Sensitive fanboy? Says the iPhone user on an Android site slagging an Android phone off like a very sensitive fanboy.
Sorry but you posted your negative view of the pixel phone in the Help section. How was that a request for help or an answer to someones need for help. In what way was your post productive to the help section? Honestly, I think they should charge you storage fees for keeping this thread on here. What was the point of your post?

lywyn said:
Sensitive fanboy? Says the iPhone user on an Android site slagging an Android phone off like a very sensitive fanboy.
Sorry but you posted your negative view of the pixel phone in the Help section. How was that a request for help or an answer to someones need for help. In what way was your post productive to the help section? Honestly, I think they should charge you storage fees for keeping this thread on here. What was the point of your post?
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You should request the mods to charge me a storage fee. Lmao
How is it not productive? This is putting things in perspective. The thread goes left when you sensitive clowns feel some type of way because the phone isn’t praised to your liking. Had I opened this thread and said the pixel 4 will be amazing you wouldn’t have any issues with it of course. But because I criticize it because it is absolutely warranted, you guys getinyour feelings because you take it as a personal attack. It isn’t, it’s me criticizing the phone for the asking price because it’s absolutely ridiculous. It’s not trolling but you guys translate it as trolling because again, I’m not praising what you wanna buy. Well tough sh*t, I don’t praise products that I feel are a total robbery. If you wanna be objective and give your opinion on why you think $800 for that 2800 mah battery and all the sensors is worth it then by all means let’s discuss it. If you gonna get in your feelings then too bad for you.
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This thread has been moved to the Pixel 4 General subforum, as it's a discussion. The Help/Q&A subforum isn't the right place for this, since you're not looking for help.
Also, some light thread cleaning; a few posts have been deleted. I'm allowing the thread for now, because as said, everyone can have an opinion. However, XDA Forum Rules exist for a reason. Knock off the flaming/disrespect and language. Keep it civil and clean; you can all express opinions without the need for degrading others. That goes for everyone.

barondebxl said:
You should request the mods to charge me a storage fee. Lmao
How is it not productive? This is putting things in perspective. The thread goes left when you sensitive clowns feel some type of way because the phone isn’t praised to your liking. Had I opened this thread and said the pixel 4 will be amazing you wouldn’t have any issues with it of course. But because I criticize it because it is absolutely warranted, you guys getinyour feelings because you take it as a personal attack. It isn’t, it’s me criticizing the phone for the asking price because it’s absolutely ridiculous. It’s not trolling but you guys translate it as trolling because again, I’m not praising what you wanna buy. Well tough sh*t, I don’t praise products that I feel are a total robbery. If you wanna be objective and give your opinion on why you think $800 for that 2800 mah battery and all the sensors is worth it then by all means let’s discuss it. If you gonna get in your feelings then too bad for you.
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Productive, like going to Apple store to complain they don't sell Android phones productive? In that case way productive!
As for sensitive clowns, sorry but you seem very sensitive to the fact we will not validate your delicate ego and agree that Google should immediately listen to your evaluation and action on it immediately. I'm going to get the phone but I have not created a thread on here telling everyone I love the phone and everyone must buy it. And I have not posted a thread on Apple/iPhone site saying why I hate the iPhone and that's why I'm not getting it. You just created a thread to complain about a product because it didn't suit your needs. Funny first reply was to paraphrase, "your choice, goodbye" and here we are. You seem to be taking it very personal that we don't agree with you and respond as if being attacked, as shown by the rebuff "Well tough sh*t, I don’t praise products that I feel are a total robbery".
Let's wind this up. I don't take it personally that you don't like the phone. I've ordered it, and your views had no influence on that decision. I have not defended the phone, I have merely raised the point that your post has no value to the help section for the rest of the members. As for the attempt to validate the reason for starting the thread, I think there is more to the phone than battery and sensors for $800. I didn't buy it for the battery, and my Pixel 2 lasts all day for me so it won't be a problem. I do sometimes have to use the phone screen when driving so the motion sense tech will be a great benefit there like the new cars have the touchless systems. Is it productive to go to a website and review a product you've never used?
Anyway so that I can convey to you how much I am not offended or upset or feel under attack, I sign off here and will leave the thread to the people who are upset. I hope you find the phone you want, and if you still need to vent about how much you hate this phone you can continue your diatribe here in hopes someone gives a f__k and is happy to stroke your ego.
I hope you find the right phone for you. Goodbye, I won't let the door hit me on the way out.

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Productive, like going to Apple store to complain they don't sell Android phones productive? In that case way productive!
As for sensitive clowns, sorry but you seem very sensitive to the fact we will not validate your delicate ego and agree that Google should immediately listen to your evaluation and action on it immediately. I'm going to get the phone but I have not created a thread on here telling everyone I love the phone and everyone must buy it. And I have not posted a thread on Apple/iPhone site saying why I hate the iPhone and that's why I'm not getting it. You just created a thread to complain about a product because it didn't suit your needs. Funny first reply was to paraphrase, "your choice, goodbye" and here we are. You seem to be taking it very personal that we don't agree with you and respond as if being attacked, as shown by the rebuff "Well tough sh*t, I don’t praise products that I feel are a total robbery".
Let's wind this up. I don't take it personally that you don't like the phone. I've ordered it, and your views had no influence on that decision. I have not defended the phone, I have merely raised the point that your post has no value to the help section for the rest of the members. As for the attempt to validate the reason for starting the thread, I think there is more to the phone than battery and sensors for $800. I didn't buy it for the battery, and my Pixel 2 lasts all day for me so it won't be a problem. I do sometimes have to use the phone screen when driving so the motion sense tech will be a great benefit there like the new cars have the touchless systems. Is it productive to go to a website and review a product you've never used?
Anyway so that I can convey to you how much I am not offended or upset or feel under attack, I sign off here and will leave the thread to the people who are upset. I hope you find the phone you want, and if you still need to vent about how much you hate this phone you can continue your diatribe here in hopes someone gives a f__k and is happy to stroke your ego.
I hope you find the right phone for you. Goodbye, I won't let the door hit me on the way out.
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That’s a dumb example “complain to the Apple store that they don’t sell android phones”... how does that relate to this thread exactly? You must have missed the part where I said I was interested in this phone but it fell short. Red herring
No the sensitive ones are you guys that can’t stomach a smartphone scrutiny. That is crazy, it’s just a phone it’s not like I’m attacking your family or something.
Honestly I’m offended by google. I’m offended because I was highly anticipating this phone and it is such a let down. And I do feel insulted by google thinking they can pull a fast one on me by offering such stingy specs at that price. I find it offensive seriously.
Historically speaking, android users have always been smart with their purchase, definitely smarter than iPhone users imo. We like to have all the bells and whistles at a reasonable price. This year, the pixel 4 is the total opposite of that. It has some bells here and there but again, that battery size with that price tag is just crazy. It’s just not acceptable for me. If it is to you then more power to you, obviously I have no say or power in your or anyone else’s decision. But I always thought I’d android users were smarter with our purchase, seems like it’s a thing of the past.
I’m ordering a oneplus 7T tomorrow soon as the orders go live and I’m very excited about. I think it offers the best bang for the buck. Enjoy your pixel 4, it’s your money and your decision.
Is it productive for me to go to a website and review a product I’ve never use? That’s the wrong question to ask. Here’s a more fitting one, If a company unveils a product, do I get to express my opinion on it before having the device in hand? Or I must absolutely have the device in hand before being able to give an opinion on it?
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Question Should I switch to an iPhone?

I'm sure this topic will stir up a lot. I've mostly been an Android user. Reasons I preferred it was to root them for ad blockers. Since I've been using my S21 Ultra, I haven't rooted it. I use DNS66 to block ads, and it's worked just fine.
I'm considering switching to an iPhone, since my entire family uses them.
I'm just looking for any pros and cons about switching.

Lol, might as well.
Both Android (scoped storage, forced encryption) and Samsung Flagships (no SD card slot, no 3.5mm jack with huge price tags) seem to think they are Apple.
I for one however do not welcome our new Apple overlords

ledvedder said:
I'm sure this topic will stir up a lot. I've mostly been an Android user. Reasons I preferred it was to root them for ad blockers. Since I've been using my S22 Ultra, I haven't rooted it. I use DNS66 to block ads, and it's worked just fine.
I'm considering switching to an iPhone, since my entire family uses them.
I'm just looking for any pros and cons about switching.
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How did you manage to get S22 Ultra?

OnnoJ said:
How did you manage to get S22 Ultra?
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Sorry... Fixed.

I think I'll change to iPhone 14 Pro max when it comes out given the S22 Ultra is really a note

I switched for a bit but every time there is something that annoys me to the point that I end up coming back. Consistant phones that are good for basic stuff, but once you try to do anything they don't "allow" is it frustrating.

For the first time since the Samsung S7 Edge, when i switched away from my iPhone 6S+ i am seriously looking back at Apple.
Android 12 on my Exynos S21U has ruined it -- the battery life is way worse, the OS feels laggy and buggy -- having to reboot more often and some apps just plain drive me insane as despite doing a factory restore when i got the S21 in the first place they just don't work as they should.
Samsung OneUI is still too bloaty and their insistance of having Google app clones is ridiculous and i think would be better to abandon.
I just don't see a viable Android alternative anymore - MIUI12 is a buggy mess on Xioami. The whole OnePlus Android 12 upgrade debacle has been nightmare and my wife's 9Pro is average at best for taking pics.
Sony is lovely hardware but Android doesn't like their aspect ratio and i had several apps on my 1II that just wouldn't go close to full screen
Will want the Exynos 2200 to be at least everybit as good as a 8Gen1 if not better in which case i might continue my upgrade programme --- but if it's not then i'll probably look closely at iPhone 14 when it arrives

Over the past year I went from a 1+ 7 Pro, to an 11Pro Max, to Pixel 5, to an iPhone 12 Pro Max, to a Pixel 6 Pro, and now to the S21 Ultra.
The Ultra is the first phone that Sparks joy in a long time.
I am the type to change phones often and find myself switching between Android and iPhone.
iPhone is nice if you have family and friends that use it and you're a US user. Their pretty stable and the integration withing the OS makes most day to day tasks seamless.
But over time I'd get bored with them and switch back to Android because I missed the customization (which can be done with iPhones now to an extent) and apps like YouTube Vanced.
Everyones use case is different but I always appreciate the freedom of Android. Sometimes a factory reset and undoing all your tweaks can give it a fresh feel again.
Won't judge you either way because truthfully it's hard to go wrong with both options.
If you already have the accessories and ecosystem IOS a home run.
But personally I won't be switching for a while. The S21 Ultra even in stock form has so many granular tweaks and it's so snappy I can't see a reason to switch.

Chavannigans said:
Over the past year I went from a 1+ 7 Pro, to an 11Pro Max, to Pixel 5, to an iPhone 12 Pro Max, to a Pixel 6 Pro, and now to the S21 Ultra.
The Ultra is the first phone that Sparks joy in a long time.
I am the type to change phones often and find myself switching between Android and iPhone.
iPhone is nice if you have family and friends that use it and you're a US user. Their pretty stable and the integration withing the OS makes most day to day tasks seamless.
But over time I'd get bored with them and switch back to Android because I missed the customization (which can be done with iPhones now to an extent) and apps like YouTube Vanced.
Everyones use case is different but I always appreciate the freedom of Android. Sometimes a factory reset and undoing all your tweaks can give it a fresh feel again.
Won't judge you either way because truthfully it's hard to go wrong with both options.
If you already have the accessories and ecosystem IOS a home run.
But personally I won't be switching for
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I couldn't agree more with this and that is exactly how I feel. This is the first phone in a long time that ticks all the boxes for my usage case and that I am entirely happy with. I can't see myself switching anytime soon, which is not something I've really felt for ages now. This phone is perfect for me.

I'll switch to an iPhone in 2023.

Chavannigans said:
Over the past year I went from a 1+ 7 Pro, to an 11Pro Max, to Pixel 5, to an iPhone 12 Pro Max, to a Pixel 6 Pro, and now to the S21 Ultra.
The Ultra is the first phone that Sparks joy in a long time.
I am the type to change phones often and find myself switching between Android and iPhone.
iPhone is nice if you have family and friends that use it and you're a US user. Their pretty stable and the integration withing the OS makes most day to day tasks seamless.
But over time I'd get bored with them and switch back to Android because I missed the customization (which can be done with iPhones now to an extent) and apps like YouTube Vanced.
Everyones use case is different but I always appreciate the freedom of Android. Sometimes a factory reset and undoing all your tweaks can give it a fresh feel again.
Won't judge you either way because truthfully it's hard to go wrong with both options.
If you already have the accessories and ecosystem IOS a home run.
But personally I won't be switching for a while. The S21 Ultra even in stock form has so many granular tweaks and it's so snappy I can't see a reason to switch.
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Excellent reply.
While I don't have this level of experience with modern devices, I can say the s21 Ultra sparks joy too and has moved into a reliable partnership with me.
My whole family and 75% of my friends are on iphone. I hate iphones. Every time I have to help one of them with their phones I feel like I have to temporarily lower my intelligence to work it. I have to dumb myself down. And maybe there are more tweak options with them now, but I haven't spent the time to find them. I know this is an old argument, but I will never settle for the one button thing.
I make the time to tweak, hack, turbocharge, and sometimes burn & butcher every piece of hardware I own - from cars to computers to vintage receivers to vacuums. I love pushing hardware to the max and optimizing performance. Sticking someone like with this OCD obsession to an iphone is like putting them in a straightjacket.
Now that I can take comparable pictures I won't be having a pang of envy until I see something new & worthwhile from them. Oh yeah, and I hate the company as well.

I've tried both iPhones and Macs, and I couldn't conceive the notion of being stuck with something so walled off from what I can get from another option. You can praise all the merits and advantages of Apple software and hardware, but at the end of the day it's all about what you're willing to forego.

There is something very limiting with iPhones. I have an iPhone 11 as my other daily driver and I've always preferred using my S21U. The amount of ads on iPhone is so much, I get frustrated. I don't feel like I get as much ads on Samsung or Android for that matter.

ledvedder said:
I'm sure this topic will stir up a lot. I've mostly been an Android user. Reasons I preferred it was to root them for ad blockers. Since I've been using my S21 Ultra, I haven't rooted it. I use DNS66 to block ads, and it's worked just fine.
I'm considering switching to an iPhone, since my entire family uses them.
I'm just looking for any pros and cons about switching.
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If you haven't ever used an iPhone. i would recommend asking someone you may know that has maybe an extra one to test drive it. Pop in your sim and get ready to be disappointed . Android isn't perfect but when it's compared to an iPhone. It's like night and day.

burnxtc said:
Excellent reply.
While I don't have this level of experience with modern devices, I can say the s21 Ultra sparks joy too and has moved into a reliable partnership with me.
My whole family and 75% of my friends are on iphone. I hate iphones. Every time I have to help one of them with their phones I feel like I have to temporarily lower my intelligence to work it. I have to dumb myself down. And maybe there are more tweak options with them now, but I haven't spent the time to find them. I know this is an old argument, but I will never settle for the one button thing.
I make the time to tweak, hack, turbocharge, and sometimes burn & butcher every piece of hardware I own - from cars to computers to vintage receivers to vacuums. I love pushing hardware to the max and optimizing performance. Sticking someone like with this OCD obsession to an iphone is like putting them in a straightjacket.
Now that I can take comparable pictures I won't be having a pang of envy until I see something new & worthwhile from them. Oh yeah, and I hate the company as well.
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That was so well articulated. I had a similar experience when I went from my Samsung Note 3 to the iPhone 6S. I was sick and tired of TouchWiz and just wanted to escape to iOS.
At first everything was nice, probably because I also got a MacBook Pro along with the phone. The device and software integration was a pleasant surprise. I actually liked the experience for about a year - it was a simple, uncomplicated life.
But over time I started to realise how limited I was in terms of what I was "allowed" to do on "my" device. Hated the absence of a proper file system on my phone. iTunes was a pain to use and I had to do mental gymnastics to accomplish the most basic tasks we take for granted on Android devices. After a year, I started absolutely detesting the way Apple did things. I couldn't understand how a company could push a software update that could result in the phone refusing to accept a 3rd party lightning charging cable that had been working perfectly for 6 months. The phone refused to even bloody CHARGE itself, forget file transfer! Unsupported accessory, it said! I remember I was driving somewhere interstate, in unfamiliar territory, and phone battery was low. I absolutely needed the navigation and connectivity, and i still remember the horror that the freaking phone wanted another cable just to accept charge. This happened right after a software update which apparently updated the MFI codebase for manufacturers participating in the program. Allegedly my cable manufacturer did not pay apple licensing fee - so no charging for me. Not for safety or performance reasons, just because apple could do stuff like that via software. Many such experiences over the next year made me realise I don't like this 'overlord' approach to devices, where the manufacturer still owns your device even after you pay full price for it.
I jumped to the OnePlus 6 the day it was available and realised how bad iOS had suffocated me intellectually over the past 2 years. And I also realised that my anger was over TouchWiz, not Android itself. For the first time in 2 years I could do everything on a phone that I could on a PC. That also made me realise how bad MacOS was if you wanted to tinker outside of apple made software and their approved usage. Over time, I just full time bootcamped to Windows 10 on the Mac and haven't even seen MacOS in 2 years. No doubt the hardware is top notch though -I still have the MacBook Pro running well after 7 years.
But an iPhone is not just an iPhone. It's a portal into apple's way of doing things. If you are okay with it, it's great. But if the word 'tinkerer' even remotely describes you, it's a bad choice.
At least that's my experience - YMMV.

ledvedder said:
I'm sure this topic will stir up a lot. I've mostly been an Android user. Reasons I preferred it was to root them for ad blockers. Since I've been using my S21 Ultra, I haven't rooted it. I use DNS66 to block ads, and it's worked just fine.
I'm considering switching to an iPhone, since my entire family uses them.
I'm just looking for any pros and cons about switching.
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u own a s21 ultra and want to shift? F

No.
iPhone is janky, stiff, and makes it difficult to do basic things. The only thing that it has going for it is good hardware, (good screens, great cameras, and best speakers) but garbage software can spoil just about anything. Also, iOS doesn't even support fundamental protocols like RCS.

I feel like apple thinks I'm a baby that needs to be micromanaged in every way. When you see the lengths people are going to in order to have custom icons (shortcuts for every single app), or to add empty spaces on their homescreens, it is obvious even their own users want some basic customization and freedom.

Yes, goodbye.