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Fandango app

The Fandango app in beta is out on the android market now!!

I just got done playing with it. It's good, but Flixster is better in literally every way except one: with Fandango's app you can buy tickets from pretty much anywhere. Flixster's pretty limited in which theaters you can buy from.
But honestly, I don't buy tickets online. Screw convenience fees, that's just stupid. So I'm definitely sticking with Flixster.

Gonna use Fandango for buying tickets and Flixster for movie reviews and basically everything else . Lets see if they do more with fandango in the future.

Ayesuku said:
Screw convenience fees, that's just stupid.
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Couldn't agree more! I just don't understand the moronic logic of fandango... "Let's see, how can we entice people to buy online instead of at the theater where they are going anyways? Oh, I know, let's charge them MORE!"

Never thought of it that way LOL

Chahk said:
Couldn't agree more! I just don't understand the moronic logic of fandango... "Let's see, how can we entice people to buy online instead of at the theater where they are going anyways? Oh, I know, let's charge them MORE!"
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The logic is that if you want to go to a movie on opening night you buy them online so you reserve your space and not risk getting to a sold out movie.
Sure you can drive on earlier and just purchase them before hand but with the price of gas now a days you'd end up spending the same on the drive + added time of travel.
There's also the convenience of not having to stand in line, which is sometimes pretty long.
You pay a little extra for convenience

See, that's why you go there an hour or two before, buy the tickets, then go to dinner before the movie. Maybe it's different where you live, but the only way a movie is going to be sold out an hour before it plays is if it's a HUGE movie.
I don't know. I realize it's convenient, and I like convenience. But unless they can show me that the extra charge is necessary to cover additional costs on their part, I can't support the concept of the "convenience fee." It's just an extra charge for extra profit, because they can.
Anyway, enough of my ranting. I'm looking forward to seeing what Fandango does with their app too, but I have serious doubts it'll out-do Flixster in anyplace other than ticket buying.

tickets are already 8.50 here in austin.. why would i wanna pay more lol..

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See, that's why you go there an hour or two before, buy the tickets, then go to dinner before the movie. Maybe it's different where you live, but the only way a movie is going to be sold out an hour before it plays is if it's a HUGE movie.
I don't know. I realize it's convenient, and I like convenience. But unless they can show me that the extra charge is necessary to cover additional costs on their part, I can't support the concept of the "convenience fee." It's just an extra charge for extra profit, because they can.
Anyway, enough of my ranting. I'm looking forward to seeing what Fandango does with their app too, but I have serious doubts it'll out-do Flixster in anyplace other than ticket buying.
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How about the convenience of being able to order from ANYWHERE. You know, it takes money to run their online servers and their web site to provide a service. Not to mention the money spent for developers to make apps for different mobile platforms. If you don't want to pay a convenience fee and go pick it up, fine. To some people (like myself), I see it as a waste of time to go there and pick up tickets just so I don't come back two hours later to a sold out show.

That's great, go for it. Your choice, you know? I just don't personally like paying a dollar for the "convenience" of it.
Besides--and maybe this isn't true about theaters where you others live--don't most theaters allow you to prepurchase tickets directly from them via phone or internet? I usually go to a Kerasotes theater and it looks like they don't charge any convenience fees for buying their tickets online...

Google’s Nexus 7 stops orders due to demand

Source: http://www.slashgear.com/googles-nexus-7-stops-orders-due-to-demand-22239712/
Google has decided to stop taking orders from its online store, assumedly because it has such a huge backlog it doesn’t even know when it will be able to fulfill new customer purchases. The 16 GB $249 tablet had been showing up as being delayed for one to two weeks. As of now, though, it’s impossible to place an order. The 8 GB model, at $199, is still available for orders.
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Just FYI

Welcome to about 4 days ago, the 16gb stopped being available for order around 4 wednesday of last wk.

ooops, the article seemed new, feel free to delete post

The 16GB been out of stock since last week..

Well... good that the are stopping orders for now, they need to focus on getting the orders they already have shipped out. But bad that the 16GB may be delayed 1-2 weeks... I think that $300 went missing from my credit card as I haven't spent that much on it since I last made a payment but I won't know until layer monday when my bank updates the transactions online... hoping to see a charge for my 16GB Nexus 7 on there.
I'm not particularly mad at Google... just mildly annoyed. and I hope this was a good learning experience for them.

I think the 8gb model is good enough anyway. The transformers movie is streamed anyway by default. Unless you plan on loading tons f apps it should be fine for most.
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All I'm gonna say is someone did a terrible job at forecasting for the 16gb.

funkyboy1281 said:
All I'm gonna say is someone did a terrible job at forecasting for the 16gb.
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What crystal ball are you looking at?
Markets are a fickle thing... hard to really know what is going to be a big hit and what wont be. It would appear, that the 16gb is outselling the 8gb, but who really knows real numbers are. Maybe they made a ton more of the 8gb units thinking they would sell better.
Was the Kindle Fire more popular because it was under $200 or because it was released first before the Nook tablet which was $249 or is it because it was Amazon with decent content etc...
Getting stuck with a ton of product that didn't catch on can be expensive. and playing catchup a hot product is a good position for a company to be in if they can ramp up fast enough. Sometimes constraints of available product also promote higher demand under the false sense that they are more popular than they really are. Who knows....

funkyboy1281 said:
All I'm gonna say is someone did a terrible job at forecasting for the 16gb.
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Or someone did a great job choking off the supply of 16GB units to force impatient buyers to the 8GB, making them more likely to buy into Google's cloud services.
"Supply crises" are much more often planned than not. Not saying they won't get the 16GB back on the market quickly, because they will. But how many buyers in the meantime will settle for 8GB and a Google Drive subscription?

polarimetric said:
Or someone did a great job choking off the supply of 16GB units to force impatient buyers to the 8GB, making them more likely to buy into Google's cloud services.
"Supply crises" are much more often planned than not. Not saying they won't get the 16GB back on the market quickly, because they will. But how many buyers in the meantime will settle for 8GB and a Google Drive subscription?
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That depends....Are people going to want to buy these anyways after reading all these articles mentioning all these defects. No one knows for sure if it's just 8gb or 16gb or both. Sure they got a lot of money up front but it doesn't help when you constantly have to replace them and with that kind of launch are people really going to take that risk right now. If not and they want to wait a couple months some other tablet could come out around the same price range or just a better tablet in general. You're talking lost profits at that point. Forecasting does come into it at some point but this launch didn't help at all

hmm. So they won't ship it, or refund it. Great
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[POLL]: Should Google re-implement the pre-order system?

Simple question: Should Google re-implement the pre-order system?
Hopefully some "people of power" within Google will look at the stats generated from this Poll, and adjust their game plan accordingly.
I personally think the pre-order system is the only way to conduct sales on a Lunch date of a high-demand new product for a several reasons, some of them being:
a) Allows both the Manufacturer and/or Google to accurately gauge the market demand prior to launch, and thus create/plan stock accordingly.
b) Allows accurate shipping times to be predicted based on the volume of orders, rather than playing a "guessing game".
c) Allows a specific amount of Launch Date devices to be in stock to at least meet the demand of some of the "on the day purchases", while still achieving the "sold out effect" marketing scheme, if they want.
d) Consumers are more comfortable being informed with expected wait times for orders; comfortable with the fact that the device is already on pre-order (now it's in the hands of Google to roll out the devices). AND consumers don't have to keep checking a website in order to find out if it's available again or not.
The bottom line is: The pre-order system is a more professional and organized approach to selling a high demand item, from only one online source.
Furthermore, I think that Google Play should start taking orders now for the re-stock of Nexus devices, so that even if it has to put on back-order, at least the consumer knows they're in-line/queue for the device, when it becomes available, no more frequent and unnecessary effort in consistently checking back.

I would prefer it would over refreshing lots
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google could care less about the stats from an xda post... we comprise of probably less than 0.01% of the buying market for the n4

I think they should!. Thing is.... Pre ordering gives us as the consumer the option to give interest and thus giving Google the information needed to generate a general clue as of demand. At the moment, the only demand they can calculate is site activities.
As its been mentioned all over this forum, both here in the UK & Internationally. Google, has really shown themselves to be very amateurish on how they have conducted there orders and allowing the customer to show interest in purchasing there products.
Poorly managed I hear you ask?!... Its been a complete embarrassment for such a big company!.
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Lock up peoples money before every delivering a phone? Of course they should. It's a good business model

nba1341 said:
Lock up peoples money before every delivering a phone? Of course they should. It's a good business model
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Well if you want the device, you want the device. You're going to pay either now or later, doesn't make a different.
Better to be informed and secure that your device is on order and not "up in the air".

norazi said:
google could care less about the stats from an xda post... we comprise of probably less than 0.01% of the buying market for the n4
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dont know about that. they dont even advertise. most people i know dont even know google makes devices. for that matter android lmao. i bet most of the buyers were from xda such as myself

Except that it is not legal to sell something a product that you do not have in hand.
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Oh ya xda website during launch was almost crashing and not Google huh?..... didn't know xda had better servers.

nba1341 said:
Lock up peoples money before every delivering a phone? Of course they should. It's a good business model
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For something like nexus 4 I would definitely put down my money even it was 6 months before shipping.

It should make a eu play store devices... thre are no custom between states in europe, why is only in 5 countries ._.

There was problems when they did preordering before however there was only really 2 problems they needed to fix rather than abandoning preorders completely.
First the problem with the nexus 7 was that as orders came in it didn't change the estimated delivery timescale. If the site updates the estimate even if it gets to be weeks at least you know what to be expect. How hard is it to say we have x thousand for release, y thousand a week later and update the estimate accordingly as ordered are placed.
Secondly the other problem was they ended up sending out newly placed orders immediately while seeming to forget about those that preordered. This is something that should have been fixed quite easily by simply fulfilling orders in the correct order.
I agree that if they did preordering properly it would be better than the current system.
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gbroon said:
There was problems when they did preordering before however there was only really 2 problems they needed to fix rather than abandoning preorders completely.
First the problem with the nexus 7 was that as orders came in it didn't change the estimated delivery timescale. If the site updates the estimate even if it gets to be weeks at least you know what to be expect. How hard is it to say we have x thousand for release, y thousand a week later and update the estimate accordingly as ordered are placed.
Secondly the other problem was they ended up sending out newly placed orders immediately while seeming to forget about those that preordered. This is something that should have been fixed quite easily by simply fulfilling orders in the correct order.
I agree that if they did preordering properly it would be better than the current system.
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I love how your solution solving procedure is the solution itself... lol
How did you come up with 4? 4.

Over 90% so far agree that they should re-implement pre-ordering. Good stats so far

MatAuc12 said:
Except that it is not legal to sell something a product that you do not have in hand.
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Haha says who?

Honestly, I would vote that Google leave the ordering/shipping business all together. They can still make great devices, but launch after launch, Google has proved that they just can't get a clue. If Amazon.com can give me free two day shipping on a 15 pound medicine ball and charge me $30, I think that Google should be able to successfully launch 5, yes 5 new products at the same time. And remember, this is not the first F'd up launch. Pre-orders for the N7 didn't go so well either.
Personally, I will stay with the Nexus line far into the future, however, no longer will I be purchasing from Google directly.
And PS, their ordering web site look like it is from 10 years ago, doesn't provide barely any useful information, and sometimes doesn't even get updated until after the even has happened (IE, someone receives and order even though their order says "Pending"). This is from the same company that created an app that can zoom all over the world and show us down to 100 feet what a street in, say, China, looks like.

Nah screw that. I like instant gratification, and want my stuff as soon as its announces.

plinkous said:
Haha says who?
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Someone who knows more than you apparently.

BakaPhoenix said:
It should make a eu play store devices... thre are no custom between states in europe, why is only in 5 countries ._.
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I think google likes EU custumores buy million of Apple devices. And Apple thanks.
Google = :angel:

Google royally screwed up the launch, everyone can agree with that. Google should implement a preorder system and like you said allowed people to secure their place in line.
Even Apple allows people to do that via carriers (Rogers in Canada allowed people to pre-order). Looks like there's a lot Google needs to learn before they get this right as their Nexus 7 launch wasn't that good in the first place.
deltatux

deltatux said:
Google royally screwed up the launch, everyone can agree with that. Google should implement a preorder system and like you said allowed people to secure their place in line.
Even Apple allows people to do that via carriers (Rogers in Canada allowed people to pre-order). Looks like there's a lot Google needs to learn before they get this right as their Nexus 7 launch wasn't that good in the first place.
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Agreed.

Why Teens Don't Need a Smartphone

Smartphones are super expensive and my teen has been begging me to get him one. I know that the only thing he might actually do with it just access facebook and twitter and just play some stupid games.
Don't buy your teen a smartphone.
Here's an article that gives you a list of reasons to say NO to your teen:
http://appdigy.com/370/your-teen-does-not-need-an-iphone/

Super2cool said:
Smartphones are super expensive and my teen has been begging me to get him one. I know that the only thing he might actually do with it just access facebook and twitter and just play some stupid games.
Don't buy your teen an iPhone or some other smartphone.
Here's an article that gives you a list of reasons to say NO to your teen:
http://appdigy.com/370/your-teen-does-not-need-an-iphone/
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Don't be so quick to think that way. First of all, the article's only argument is that the price is high, and it is cheaper to use Facebook and twitter from home. In addition, it even states an argument against itself (I like it because the author is not biased) which says the teen years are a memorable time and the convenient camera captures those memories.
So basically, buy a Galaxy Nexus off contract (~$270), activate it on a cheap prepaid plan, and blam! You don't even need to get data, just have him connect to WiFi.
In fact, you can even just get an unlocked Nexus S (~$130) or Galaxy S (~$100) and they should fit his needs enough.
The article pertains to on contract high end phones (specifically an iPhone 5), but you can greatly reduce the price by buying a previous flagship and use a prepaid plan.
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gagdude said:
Don't be so quick to think that way. First of all, the article's only argument is that the price is high, and it is cheaper to use Facebook and twitter from home. In addition, it even states an argument against itself (I like it because the author is not biased) which says the teen years are a memorable time and the convenient camera captures those memories.
So basically, buy a Galaxy Nexus off contract (~$270), activate it on a cheap prepaid plan, and blam! You don't even need to get data, just have him connect to WiFi.
In fact, you can even just get an unlocked Nexus S (~$130) or Galaxy S (~$100) and they should fit his needs enough.
The article pertains to on contract high end phones (specifically an iPhone 5), but you can greatly reduce the price by buying a previous flagship and use a prepaid plan.
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True but teens fall into peer pressure and the iPhone is the greatest status symbol.
It might just be cheaper to get the iPhone 5 unlocked...but $650 to fish out is a lot of money..considering you could buy a full fledged laptop in that same amount...or an HD LED TV from Sony.

Super2cool said:
True but teens fall into peer pressure and the iPhone is the greatest status symbol.
It might just be cheaper to get the iPhone 5 unlocked...but $650 to fish out is a lot of money..considering you could buy a full fledged laptop in that same amount...or an HD LED TV from Sony.
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Yep, so don't get him an iPhone 5. Or any iPhail for that matter.
Like I said, there's still the Galaxy Nexus which is pretty good as it is, and for your sons needs even a Galaxy S or Nexus S would be enough. Dirt cheap now that they are 2 years old, but solid performers. Plenty development, so (if it even matters to him) he will have the latest version of Android running on it.
I agree, peer pressure is definitely a factor, but getting an Android stands out among all the iPhones I see in teens' hands these days
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I wouldn't buy my child a smartphone until they're 15 or older, so many kids text during class now, no wonder kids are less educated than when I went to school.

Well, brace yourselves, here comes a 16 year olds opinion. What my dad did was get me a plan, but I had to buy the phone. It was great because it taught me some responsibility and gave me some leeway. Please don't lock your kid down from having a social life, also don't let him buy an iPhone. And yes, this nexus 4 was paid for in while by me. As where my previous 3 phones.
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Beartax said:
I wouldn't buy my child a smartphone until they're 15 or older, so many kids text during class now, no wonder kids are less educated than when I went to school.
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Well, the thing is even dumb phones can text, so in order to prevent that you need to not let your child have a phone at all.
Or just good parenting
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Let me tell you one thing. When I was in hs we all had blackberries and iphones 3g. Yes there were those kid who were into drama and stuff and non stop texting and they don't learn anything but there good uses for 15 year old to have a cell.
Although I don't condone cheating Google the answer to capital of new York is better than guessing a wrong answer because you'll know and remember rather than go on not knowing.
The other is for communication. Especially after what happened in Connecticut you child needs to call out or if they go out and get peer pressured to do something bad, they can call a friend to come or call you to pick them up before they are guilty by association.
Last reason is that bullying. We want the best phones and kid like to make fun of others who are less fortunate then they are. When you get older you view being bullying differently but could be devastating for a teen who hasn't experienced the adult world.
Smartphone for teen. Lab top or PC. Yes
Tablet and brand new car. Get a job!
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gagdude said:
Yep, so don't get him an iPhone 5. Or any iPhail for that matter.
Like I said, there's still the Galaxy Nexus which is pretty good as it is, and for your sons needs even a Galaxy S or Nexus S would be enough. Dirt cheap now that they are 2 years old, but solid performers. Plenty development, so (if it even matters to him) he will have the latest version of Android running on it.
I agree, peer pressure is definitely a factor, but getting an Android stands out among all the iPhones I see in teens' hands these days
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The Nexus S is not going to get the Key Lime Pie update...
Without updates, its going to go out of style very fast. Galaxy Nexus is still a solid buy

Buddy you'll be shocked that lots of decent developers here on xda-developers are teen. I myself started symbian development at the age of 17. So I think it's best not to generalize teens.

I had to pay for my first smartphone and Plan. The only thing I had was a "dumb phone" and it was for 911 only. So any teen who thinks getting a smartphone is in the bill of rights, need's to get a job. ( If want to give them one as a gift, because they did well or what ever ok.) But Don't make them think for one sec it's a right to have a free smartphone+plan.
That's all I have to say.

If they work for it that is great, but if a teenager wants something enough they can make money to get it
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Super2cool said:
The Nexus S is not going to get the Key Lime Pie update...
Without updates, its going to go out of style very fast. Galaxy Nexus is still a solid buy
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Learn the magic of ROMs, boy. The Nexus S didn't even get the 4.2 update, but voila! A few days after the N4 was released, 4.2 ROM!
Also, if your kid isn't really like the teens on xda, he probably won't know or care about software updates.
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As a 15 year old teen, I'd say that, by a side, it does indeed can get in the way of school. Sometimes I get distracted with it instead of studing (at home). But, on another side, I see it as my tool to do a lot of things during my day. I listen to music with it, I often access my school website for grading check (hard to explain my school grade method) during classes with data (no WiFi access to students), I write all my tests, control my classes with it, takes notes, be related to school or not, it's also my communtication tool. And many other things not mentioned...

4ktvs said:
I had to pay for my first smartphone and Plan. The only thing I had was a "dumb phone" and it was for 911 only. So any teen who thinks getting a smartphone is in the bill of rights, need's to get a job. ( If want to give them one as a gift, because they did well or what ever ok.) But Don't make them think for one sec it's a right to have a free smartphone+plan.
That's all I have to say.
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I agree with you completely mate. It teaches teens about financial responsibility. It also shows them that they are not entitled to a smartphone but rather something that is earned.
Good luck mate

Super2cool said:
I agree with you completely mate. It teaches teens about financial responsibility. It also shows them that they are not entitled to a smartphone but rather something that is earned.
Good luck mate
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Tell your son that. Let him choose the plan and the phone as long as he pays for it. You will have to make sure he doesn't get some crap China phone that'll break in a day, but otherwise it's all up to him to find the best deals etc.
Good luck to you, lol aren't you the OP who are you saying good luck to
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4ktvs said:
I had to pay for my first smartphone and Plan. The only thing I had was a "dumb phone" and it was for 911 only. So any teen who thinks getting a smartphone is in the bill of rights, need's to get a job. ( If want to give them one as a gift, because they did well or what ever ok.) But Don't make them think for one sec it's a right to have a free smartphone+plan.
That's all I have to say.
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Exactly. A phone basically should have thing in mine, to get in contact with some1 when they are doing a lot of work. Something was when I first got a job, my parents got me a phone so I could makes calls when I wasn't in school.
Since upgrading to a smartphone, its more than just a phone, you can access the internet with it and it can be a huge distraction, but its so much better then most phones out there.
To give your son a smartphone is a big resposibility, but something I learned is you gotta work to earn it, cant just give it for no work. f he has good grades and shows responsibility with it, then he deserves it. If he starts to show hes slacking behind, then its trouble

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As a 15 year old teen, I'd say that, by a side, it does indeed can get in the way of school. Sometimes I get distracted with it instead of studing (at home). But, on another side, I see it as my tool to do a lot of things during my day. I listen to music with it, I often access my school website for grading check (hard to explain my school grade method) during classes with data (no WiFi access to students), I write all my tests, control my classes with it, takes notes, be related to school or not, it's also my communtication tool. And many other things not mentioned...
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Dam.
You must not take a lot of notes cause I am sure you could write much faster than typing on that tiny keyboard.

I bought my teenage daughter a cheap laptop. Put k9 browser on it, an old refurbed iPod 2nd Gen and locked the iTunes store and safari, and then put k9 on it too. She has a dumb phone to call in emergencies and text her friends with. The locks at 8pm and if I see that her grades are slipping the phone and iPod become mine again. If I see she is spending all her time in front of a TV or computer theybget turned off and she goes outside.
That being said she is in Beta club. Gets A's and B's and has as much of a social life as she needs. She also won her class's physical fitness award. The place I spoil her is I let her do some name brand shopping for clothes. As long as I approve.
All in all we have our disagreements but she "gets by" lol.
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has as much of a social life as she needs.
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You actually manage her social life? That's not something I would really look over, unless I know she's with gangsters or drug dealers or whatever. Getting a tad personal there.
(Likewise, I don't look at my son's texts unless I suspect something)
Not judging your parenting, just giving my perspective
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For those who don't believe.....

Google does subsidize the Nexus line. There was an argument a few weeks back about if google subsidizes it's nexus here it is
"We already recognize that the company is likely subsidizing their own pricing on the Nexus 5 at $349 while the carriers are selling it off contract for $100 more. "
http://9to5google.com/2013/11/15/ed...-is-to-out-nokia-nokia-and-its-going-to-work/

I'm sure Google make money from each device sold.
Cell companies make money, they make high MSRP, so make even more money. It is what they do.

jimmyjoebob said:
I'm sure Google make money from each device sold.
Cell companies make money, they make high MSRP, so make even more money. It is what they do.
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Did you read the article? Google is not trying to make money from the hardware in nexus or Motorola it's about the software and ad sales and search engine proliferation

That's not proof of anything. It's one guy's opinion that Google is "likely" subsidizing them.
How much do you think it costs to build a smartphone? You're looking at maybe $200-$250 for material costs and then a bit for marketing. When Apple (for example) sells someone a 64gb iPhone for $849, there's roughly $600 of pure profit worked into that price. The only difference with the N5 is that Google is selling the phones basically at cost rather than artificially inflating a $200 bill of materials with a bunch of profit. There's no "subsidizing" going on.

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That's not proof of anything. It's one guy's opinion that Google is "likely" subsidizing them.
How much do you think it costs to build a smartphone? You're looking at maybe $200-$250 for material costs and then a bit for marketing. When Apple (for example) sells someone a 64gb iPhone for $849, there's roughly $600 of pure profit worked into that price. The only difference with the N5 is that Google is selling the phones basically at cost rather than artificially inflating a $200 bill of materials with a bunch of profit. There's no "subsidizing" going on.
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In other words you just proved me correct. If a phone costs 250 to build the other costs would be more than 100 dollars and therefore the point is not to make a profit on nexus and now Motorola's hardware ( which neither have ever brought a profit) it is to proliferate google services and Ad revenue. All the while giving the consumer the affordability in cheaper phones while increasing their reach with their services.

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If a phone costs 250 to build the other costs would be more than 100 dollars
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That's pure speculation on your part unless you've actually seen Google's financial data. I really don't think that marketing costs for the N5 add up to more than 100 bucks per phone. What other costs are you taking into consideration?

I agree, it's just an opinion.
However, Google's Motorola phone effort is more likely trying to kill the competition (Apple, Samsung, etc) by lowering prices while maintaining state of the art performance. Samsung sees the writing on the wall and is trying to establish an OS, app and tune market, etc.

If the components cost x and the phone sells for y, there is a huge missing piece, a few actually. Development costs, qa, regulations, etc.
In the case of android, and especially the nexus line software development is nill. the Dev was going to happen regardless the nexus. Drivers, and things like that of course aren't free, so there is that software and hardware integration.
Anyway, until someone posts the bom for the phone parts it's hard to even guess, even then it is a guess cause no one is going to release the Dev costs.
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maxpower7 said:
That's pure speculation on your part unless you've actually seen Google's financial data. I really don't think that marketing costs for the N5 add up to more than 100 bucks per phone. What other costs are you taking into consideration?
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First off it's not speculation. We're working on your numbers 250 for the cost of production for a phone. Being sold at 350 that's 100 dollars. That hundred dollars doesn't cover the advertising, the web presence on the sites, shipping and handling in the sales process, supprt teams for customer service, etc etc there are many costs incurred that the average person doesn't realize. Let's not forget the R&D to make the phone even if it is based off another there was still R&D. In the end it averages out to much more than 100 dollars. Ps it's pretty well known that nexus devices have not made google money and once again it's about the services not the hardware. Example why does iOS have every google app available to expand its reach and increase profitability. If it really wanted android hardware to be the main focus google apps would be android only

TiltedAz said:
I agree, it's just an opinion.
However, Google's Motorola phone effort is more likely trying to kill the competition (Apple, Samsung, etc) by lowering prices while maintaining state of the art performance. Samsung sees the writing on the wall and is trying to establish an OS, app and tune market, etc.
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Totally on the right track :good:

Are you really using an opinion based article as concrete proof of a company's business plan?

samagon said:
If the components cost x and the phone sells for y, there is a huge missing piece, a few actually. Development costs, qa, regulations, etc.
In the case of android, and especially the nexus line software development is nill. the Dev was going to happen regardless the nexus. Drivers, and things like that of course aren't free, so there is that software and hardware integration.
Anyway, until someone posts the bom for the phone parts it's hard to even guess, even then it is a guess cause no one is going to release the Dev costs.
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Although actual figures will not be released educated guesses will obviously bring to realization that 50-100 in profit per phone is not viable

One I'm not using it as proof per se but it is a logical conclusion. I mean have none of you taken business courses in school and or own a business? I did and still own a business. If mine or any other business ran on the supposed razor thin margins that these phones bring to google they would be closed. It's obvious that the focus is on the means that the phones provide google not the phone it' self

Its basically the same principle as giving android away for free Google makes its money off of the services that are within android and its ads.
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AndreaCristiano said:
Google does subsidize the Nexus line. There was an argument a few weeks back about if google subsidizes it's nexus here it is
"We already recognize that the company is likely subsidizing their own pricing on the Nexus 5 at $349 while the carriers are selling it off contract for $100 more. "
http://9to5google.com/2013/11/15/ed...-is-to-out-nokia-nokia-and-its-going-to-work/
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This article means nothing. The phone isn't sold at a loss or even to break even. Now that's my opinion which holds as much stock as this guys opinion
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Your opinion is illogical and doesn't make sense. Just because you believe something to be true doesn't make it so. Also just because Google sells the phone at a loss does not make the phone any less stellar nor does i t make Google inferior. Quite the contrary it makes them quite intelligent because the risk reward is heavily in their favor. Loss of a few million to make a few billion is always smart
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AndreaCristiano said:
One I'm not using it as proof per se but it is a logical conclusion. I mean have none of you taken business courses in school and or own a business? I did and still own a business. If mine or any other business ran on the supposed razor thin margins that these phones bring to google they would be closed. It's obvious that the focus is on the means that the phones provide google not the phone it' self
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Have you taken any introductory writing courses in school? If you did you would know you can't cite opinion based articles as fact.

When did I ever say it was fact? No where did I state it was fact. I stated and a few have concurred that it is an educated guess by looking at the numbers. So please unless you have something to contribute don't put words into my mouth
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AndreaCristiano said:
First off it's not speculation. We're working on your numbers 250 for the cost of production for a phone. Being sold at 350 that's 100 dollars. That hundred dollars doesn't cover the advertising, the web presence on the sites, shipping and handling in the sales process, supprt teams for customer service, etc etc there are many costs incurred that the average person doesn't realize. Let's not forget the R&D to make the phone even if it is based off another there was still R&D. In the end it averages out to much more than 100 dollars. Ps it's pretty well known that nexus devices have not made google money and once again it's about the services not the hardware. Example why does iOS have every google app available to expand its reach and increase profitability. If it really wanted android hardware to be the main focus google apps would be android only
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I'm well aware of Google's intent with the Nexus program and the fact that they don't make any money off it. My point is that you couldn't possibly know Google's costs associated with building and selling the phone, so everything you're saying is speculation.
I don't have any hard data either, so I could very well be proven wrong. I'm just saying that the article in the OP doesn't prove anything.

No proof positive no. It does lend credence to those whom are like minded and realize that the nexus program and now Motorola are about two things the proliferation of Google services and lowering costs of the competitions phones. All the while operation at a loss for these programs to further the growth in its real mainstay and money making programs search ads etc. I started this thread because some people do not want to see or admit the obvious and for some reason think that it is heresy to even suggest these things
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