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[Q] Disable auto-closing apps

Well i searched around XDA a bit and found many threads related to this bt all for WM and not android.
Multi-tasking is getting a bit tough. Apps get auto-closed after sometime.
Samsung Galaxy SL i9003
Stock firmware and everything stock, nothing chngd much. Only apps installed from the Market.
Say m surfing the opera, and even if a small app like messaging is open and aftr some roaming around when i return of opera, it has closed.
PS - Above is jus an example so dnt claim Opera is a power-hogger so it wil b to open up ram for other apps and all......
So any way of disabling the auto-closure of apps?
Love XDA

@ mod who moved it...
Its related to i9003 nt i9000.
Anyways tnx for moving. Wil get more views here....

Any dev der? Help!
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Personally, I cannot believe that this doesn't get complained about a lot more vocally and a lot more often, especially as it is common across ALL Android devices running 2.2 or beyond, not just the Galaxy S. It is a MAJOR usability issue in the operating system and one that is a complete dealbreaker for me.
Since 2.2 any application left running in the background is automatically closed by the system after a few minutes of inactivity, regardless of memory availability/needs or power consumption. This approach is far from acceptable for things such as EBuddy or any other msn-style instant messaging client which the user may want to leave open in order to stay logged in, so as to remain constantly available and reachable by other parties using the same service. This is just one example of a type of application I might want to leabe open and running in the background, but there are plenty of others.
The fact that the entire Android platform has essentially removed multi-tasking as a feature of the OS as of version 2.2 is astounding and appalling to me, and it's very surprising not to find more people just as offended by this on a more regular basis. What's worse, no matter how rooted or custom-ROM'd your device might be, there seems to be absolutely no way to override or disable this behavior as it is hard-coded into the OS kernel at a fundamental level. We basically have a first generation iPhone on our hands now, thanks to this latest innovation.
Closing apps when memory and system resources are low is one thing, but closing them just because the user hasn't attended to them in the last five minutes or so? Ridicullous. If you wouldn't want your desktop computer shutting down all your open/background applications every time you go for a coffee break or take a 10-minute phone call, what makes the Android developers think users want this done on their smartphones???

Exactly.
There's an app on the market, Spare Parts, in it ders a option on hw android handles suc apps.
There r two options. Normal and aggressive. Keep it normal and try and c if it helps.
paleozord said:
Personally, I cannot believe that this doesn't get complained about a lot more vocally and a lot more often, especially as it is common across ALL Android devices running 2.2 or beyond, not just the Galaxy S. It is a MAJOR usability issue in the operating system and one that is a complete dealbreaker for me.
Since 2.2 any application left running in the background is automatically closed by the system after a few minutes of inactivity, regardless of memory availability/needs or power consumption. This approach is far from acceptable for things such as EBuddy or any other msn-style instant messaging client which the user may want to leave open in order to stay logged in, so as to remain constantly available and reachable by other parties using the same service. This is just one example of a type of application I might want to leabe open and running in the background, but there are plenty of others.
The fact that the entire Android platform has essentially removed multi-tasking as a feature of the OS as of version 2.2 is astounding and appalling to me, and it's very surprising not to find more people just as offended by this on a more regular basis. What's worse, no matter how rooted or custom-ROM'd your device might be, there seems to be absolutely no way to override or disable this behavior as it is hard-coded into the OS kernel at a fundamental level. We basically have a first generation iPhone on our hands now, thanks to this latest innovation.
Closing apps when memory and system resources are low is one thing, but closing them just because the user hasn't attended to them in the last five minutes or so? Ridicullous. If you wouldn't want your desktop computer shutting down all your open/background applications every time you go for a coffee break or take a 10-minute phone call, what makes the Android developers think users want this done on their smartphones???
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Exactly.
I hv migrated frm Symbian, and m a hard multi-tasker, and disappointd with Android jus cos of tis...
paleozord said:
Personally, I cannot believe that this doesn't get complained about a lot more vocally and a lot more often, especially as it is common across ALL Android devices running 2.2 or beyond, not just the Galaxy S. It is a MAJOR usability issue in the operating system and one that is a complete dealbreaker for me.
Since 2.2 any application left running in the background is automatically closed by the system after a few minutes of inactivity, regardless of memory availability/needs or power consumption. This approach is far from acceptable for things such as EBuddy or any other msn-style instant messaging client which the user may want to leave open in order to stay logged in, so as to remain constantly available and reachable by other parties using the same service. This is just one example of a type of application I might want to leabe open and running in the background, but there are plenty of others.
The fact that the entire Android platform has essentially removed multi-tasking as a feature of the OS as of version 2.2 is astounding and appalling to me, and it's very surprising not to find more people just as offended by this on a more regular basis. What's worse, no matter how rooted or custom-ROM'd your device might be, there seems to be absolutely no way to override or disable this behavior as it is hard-coded into the OS kernel at a fundamental level. We basically have a first generation iPhone on our hands now, thanks to this latest innovation.
Closing apps when memory and system resources are low is one thing, but closing them just because the user hasn't attended to them in the last five minutes or so? Ridicullous. If you wouldn't want your desktop computer shutting down all your open/background applications every time you go for a coffee break or take a 10-minute phone call, what makes the Android developers think users want this done on their smartphones???
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Is this the reason why I have to constantly log back into Evernote, and Tweetdeck every time i wanna have a look at them?
The whole concept of syncing periodically doesn't work anymore because they are constantly logging out on me.

Unfortunately neither Spare Parts nor any such custom tweaking app seems have any effect on this berhaviour under Froyo or Gingerbread. And yes, the system auto-close is the reason that re-logging into connectivity apps every time you open them is necessary. Since they have been shut down and are no longer running, you are essentially re-launcing them anew each and every time. Hardly ideal.
Previous "old school" smartphone platforms like Symbian and Windows Mobile 5/6 had multi-tasking incorporated into their basic functionality. It's really a shame that shiny new operating systems like Android/iPhone make it such a struggle. Up until and including Eclair (2.1) leaving apps open in the background was completely possible, but as of the present moment WebOS is the only "new age" smartphone OS that still allows it, and unfortunately it hasn't moved along in other development areas very quickly at all.

I wonder y others @xda & @google dnt feel tis....
paleozord said:
Unfortunately neither Spare Parts nor any such custom tweaking app seems have any effect on this berhaviour under Froyo or Gingerbread. And yes, the system auto-close is the reason that re-logging into connectivity apps every time you open them is necessary. Since they have been shut down and are no longer running, you are essentially re-launcing them anew each and every time. Hardly ideal.
Previous "old school" smartphone platforms like Symbian and Windows Mobile 5/6 had multi-tasking incorporated into their basic functionality. It's really a shame that shiny new operating systems like Android/iPhone make it such a struggle. Up until and including Eclair (2.1) leaving apps open in the background was completely possible, but as of the present moment WebOS is the only "new age" smartphone OS that still allows it, and unfortunately it hasn't moved along in other development areas very quickly at all.
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Erm....why do you think people flash custom roms?!
GTi9000 insanitycm010/insaneglitch

slaphead20 said:
Erm....why do you think people flash custom roms?!GTi9000 insanitycm010/insaneglitch
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Custom ROMs do not change or affect this system auto-close functionality in any way. At least I've never seen any that did so successfully. It seems to be coded too deeply into the OS to be changed, from what I can tell. That is, I'm sure theoretically it *could* be changed, but most custom roms I've seen tackle far more surface-level interface issues and not the way the kernel manages processes in the background.

I didn't realise this happened after 2.1... I already was thinking why all apps were getting closed so fast after I updated my i9000 to froyo and then to 2.3. I just bought i9100 mainly because of the 1gb ram and still, with 400mb free ram, apps getting closed after couple of hours. (Not minutes, or even seconds like i9000, thankgod).
Autokiller lets you manually change some value of a running app, so it won't get killed... unfortunately this isn't automated so it's no use.

The time before auto-closure can sometimes vary from device to device.. I've tested on two Froyo devices other than the Galaxy S, each from different manufacturers as well, and apps rarely make it past ten minutes before being shut down on any of them. I've never seen anything make it a couple of hours so that's a new one.
I've actually gone back to my Motorola Defy running 2.1 for now, specifically to be able to multi-task again. Sadly there is a 2.2 update available over-the-air for it, but I keep declining because I just don't want to lose the ability to multi-task. Unless some future version like Ice Cream Sandwich restores control to the user, Eclair may very well be the last edition of Android I ever use.
Or should I say AndroIPhone, since that is what it has become.

Eclair actually allows u to multi-task normally?
No issues lik froyo?
Working lik "old-school" OSes's multi tasking?
paleozord said:
The time before auto-closure can sometimes vary from device to device.. I've tested on two Froyo devices other than the Galaxy S, each from different manufacturers as well, and apps rarely make it past ten minutes before being shut down on any of them. I've never seen anything make it a couple of hours so that's a new one.
I've actually gone back to my Motorola Defy running 2.1 for now, specifically to be able to multi-task again. Sadly there is a 2.2 update available over-the-air for it, but I keep declining because I just don't want to lose the ability to multi-task. Unless some future version like Ice Cream Sandwich restores control to the user, Eclair may very well be the last edition of Android I ever use.
Or should I say AndroIPhone, since that is what it has become.
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ggclanlord said:
Eclair actually allows u to multi-task normally?
No issues lik froyo?
Working lik "old-school" OSes's multi tasking?
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Correct, applications are left open and running in the background indefinitely until the user chooses to close them. Using a good multitasking app like TaskSwitcher or Smart Taskbar you can switch back and forth between open apps as much and as often as you like, or go away for hours without anything ever closing on you. I'm doing it presently on my Defy with no issues at all, just like older operating systems allow(ed).

Tats really Awesome!
paleozord said:
Correct, applications are left open and running in the background indefinitely until the user chooses to close them. Using a good multitasking app like TaskSwitcher or Smart Taskbar you can switch back and forth between open apps as much and as often as you like, or go away for hours without anything ever closing on you. I'm doing it presently on my Defy with no issues at all, just like older operating systems allow(ed).
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ggclanlord said:
Tats really Awesome!
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It's certainly a saving grace for Android that Eclair devices still provide multi-tasking functionality for those who insist upon it, though at the same time it sucks to see all these super powerful, souped up Froyo and Gingerbread devices being released monthly and having to snub them because of the deficiency in the newer OS.
Please, please fix this in Ice Cream Sandwich or Chocolate Souffle or Lemon Tart or whatever desserty moniker the 2.4 flavour of Android takes on. Or at the very least give the user the option to select an operational mode (auto-close or manual manage) just like many devices offer for battery management, with performance mode versus smart-saver mode etc..
It's hardly a smart phone without multi-tasking!!

I guess so it'd b more effective if tis is wrttn to Google...
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It's certainly a saving grace for Android that Eclair devices still provide multi-tasking functionality for those who insist upon it, though at the same time it sucks to see all these super powerful, souped up Froyo and Gingerbread devices being released monthly and having to snub them because of the deficiency in the newer OS.
Please, please fix this in Ice Cream Sandwich or Chocolate Souffle or Lemon Tart or whatever desserty moniker the 2.4 flavour of Android takes on. Or at the very least give the user the option to select an operational mode (auto-close or manual manage) just like many devices offer for battery management, with performance mode versus smart-saver mode etc..
It's hardly a smart phone without multi-tasking!!
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Cn any1 tel me whthr tis issue is der @GB o nt?
M on Froyo cos GB nt yet released for my device (only a Dev update yet)

I can't say with 100% certainty but I'm reasonably confident it's the same under Gingerbread (2.3). Google considers this "feature" of the Android operating system to be a significant improvement and benefit, so they're not likely to remove it on their own anytime soon unless they get a massive influx of complaints about it.
The best we can hope for is probably a user-controllable setting of some sort that determines the degree of system aggressiveness in auto-closing background applications. There are already plenty of third party root-based utilities available in the market with similar settings, but they only affect their OWN auto-closing tendencies and do not override the system itself's default auto-close behaviour. I know this because I have tried them all at the lowest possible setting levels, and everything still gets closed in the background just the same.

Battery Monitor App, is it possible on this OS?

I had Android for a while, and I remember there was an App that broke down Battery/Cpu usage. It would even keep track of how long the screen was on, what was being used most that could potentially be using the battery more.
Ive yet to see an App like this for WP7, let alone 8. Is it even possible? Or is it just yet another thing impossible due to MS lock down on some aspects of the phone OS?
I really do like this OS, but it seems more and more, MS's lock down really hurts development, preventing Devs from really bringing out the most of the OS and prevents functions and abilities youd normally think would exist.

I can understand the want for an app like this (I had it on android myself), but since switching over to WP8 I don't see the need.
All the apps on here run very well and nothing is going crazy like it does with android. Locking down the OS is a good thing sometimes, devs have a much harder tune creating system level apps that run way out of control or have memory leaks that cause battery to run dry in an hour. The only thing I have done is gone to the background apps in settings and stopped what I didn't want running in there.
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LudoGris said:
I can understand the want for an app like this (I had it on android myself), but since switching over to WP8 I don't see the need.
All the apps on here run very well and nothing is going crazy like it does with android. Locking down the OS is a good thing sometimes, devs have a much harder tune creating system level apps that run way out of control or have memory leaks that cause battery to run dry in an hour. The only thing I have done is gone to the background apps in settings and stopped what I didn't want running in there.
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I initially thought this when I had WP7 and a Trophy. Now that I have the 920, I would love to have this. Partially just to prove out that using my phone (screen on) and games and other things just eats up the battery like crazy. Others over at WPCentral have also posted issues with the battery. Many people have in fact. It would be very useful to some of us who are experiencing issues.
I know some claim to get over a day or more use out of their 920. I, among many others, could only dream of such a thing, or perhaps achieve it if we just didnt do much with our phones.
I disagree on the lock down. While I get your point, having used Android also, I enjoyed many great apps that just wont ever be possible on WP's. No other email clients, no true 3rd party browser not built on IE, no new keyboards to name a few. Some of these apps I had used on Android really were superior to what Ive seen MS do with WP. Which is why I think sometimes 3rd party Devs or home Devs sometimes can just do things better as well as think outside the box and give us real options. You dont get real options for many thing on WP. Everyone is stuck with the same keyboard, browser, mail, messaging client, etc.

True...but remember, there was a time when nothing like that was available for Android either.
Devs have made things more than possible - granted an open system helps - but don't discount what may become available in the future.

Yes there are battery monitor apps for Windows Phone 8. Battery Level for Windows Phone 8 seems to be the most popular. The nice part is that it will autoupdate the live tile with the battery level and you can add it to the lockscreen to show it there as well. It's not quite as in depth as Android with regards to telling you what is pulling the most power but as others have mentioned on WP8 it's a slightly different mechanic than Android as the background processes are a lot more regulated with regards to how they can do that (as are the developers when making their apps). It would be kind of interesting to see something like Android's built-in battery stats but I honestly haven't really haven't had any problems (not that I was really having problems on Android either).

Battery Measure is similar, and has a free version with ads - live tile, graph over time. etc.

and can you tell us where we can get the battery monitor for th WP 8? I want one...

Battery App
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Yes there are battery monitor apps for Windows Phone 8. Battery Level for Windows Phone 8 seems to be the most popular. The nice part is that it will autoupdate the live tile with the battery level and you can add it to the lockscreen to show it there as well. It's not quite as in depth as Android with regards to telling you what is pulling the most power but as others have mentioned on WP8 it's a slightly different mechanic than Android as the background processes are a lot more regulated with regards to how they can do that (as are the developers when making their apps). It would be kind of interesting to see something like Android's built-in battery stats but I honestly haven't really haven't had any problems (not that I was really having problems on Android either).
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That sound very good but where can I get the apps Battery Level?

Frustrated!

I have xperia T with locked bootloader, so i can only try stock based roms. I was very satisfied with the phone, but not any more. I changed many roms,but with every rom, after about a month of usage phone starts to be be laggy, and slow. Especially the browser. It takes ages to load a page. Also typing seems to get laggy. After I flash different rom, everything gets to normal again. Does anyone have the same scenario, as. I am? Could something be done to speed up the phone?
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Maybe you have many apps?
Maybe you have mang apps that runs in the background?
Maybe your phone is broken?
You could install some tweaks such as V6 Supercharger.
You could clear cache once a while.
You could let your phone rest.
For me, I don't face this problem.
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I do have many apps. I clear cache once in a while, and phone feels better when i do that. But i never shut down or reset. I'll try to do that and see how it performs.
Thanks for your answer.
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I guess you don't have any special "issue" with your phone.
Every single phone lags - period. Sooner or later, and this or that moment, it lags. To be honest, I'm ok with that for quite some time. Every app is getting more hungry with every new version, and when you're installing and updating apps on daily pattern, it simply becomes too heavy for system resources to handle. For example, if you do a factory reset now on your T/TX, and if you're sticking with stock rom, there is 300MBs of updates right after first boot. I was shocked when I saw that my system memory jumped from 270MBs of usage after first boot, to 530MBs just after system apps updates...
Android lag tendencies are old story now. Google did not solve this yet, and project butter didn't make any notable changes regarding UI lag. Yet, I would't change it for iOS or WP for a whole world.

There for there will be trim support in android 4.3
It's like your windows based pc, after a while it will get slow. And so are android phones.

- Keep the least number of apps possible on the phone
- Remove widgets you don't really need
- Chose the smaller sized app with the humbler memory foot print, if there are alternatives
- Trim occasionally as what my predecessor mentioned, there are trim apps out there, like Lagfix
- Reboot once a day.
Sounds profane, I know.

i've tried many custom roms with LBL but never had this problem.
all i do is restart the phone once a week or two weeks..

mr_torture said:
I guess you don't have any special "issue" with your phone.
Every single phone lags - period. Sooner or later, and this or that moment, it lags. To be honest, I'm ok with that for quite some time. Every app is getting more hungry with every new version, and when you're installing and updating apps on daily pattern, it simply becomes too heavy for system resources to handle. For example, if you do a factory reset now on your T/TX, and if you're sticking with stock rom, there is 300MBs of updates right after first boot. I was shocked when I saw that my system memory jumped from 270MBs of usage after first boot, to 530MBs just after system apps updates...
Android lag tendencies are old story now. Google did not solve this yet, and project butter didn't make any notable changes regarding UI lag. Yet, I would't change it for iOS or WP for a whole world.
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I was considering to chnage my phone, and go for S4, or HTC ONE, but because of those "Android lag tendencies", after a month of not reseting or cleaning the cache, they should lag olso. Am I right? I'm not familiar with WP or IOS. Do they have lag tendencies also ?

Andrija231 said:
I was considering to chnage my phone, and go for S4, or HTC ONE, but because of those "Android lag tendencies", after a month of not reseting or cleaning the cache, they should lag olso. Am I right? I'm not familiar with WP or IOS. Do they have lag tendencies also ?
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Well, you will probably get a bit snappier performance with two mentioned phones, but believe me, if anybody tell you their phones are not lagging at all, like never ever, they lie. I played with S4, and I played with HTC One, and these also have glitches from time to time.
Regarding iOS and WP, I never personaly used any of those, but I played a lot with that phones, as my friends are having them. iOS is generally considered to have quite fluid interface, but that's because iOS is totally different system and is handling user interface with different priorities. And honestly, it is fluid. Especially since iPhone 4... But on the other side, it is such a limited system, that I never ever considered switching to it. WP is also quite fluid, but again, that giant-squares interface is very dull to me, and WP ecosystem is still far behind Android.
Point is, I'm not willing to change Android for some other weaker system, just for the sake of a snappier and more fluid interface...
But that's just me. Maybe somebody else is having different priorities.

Thanks for the honest answer. I can live with the reset from time to time. I also don't consider changing Android for iOS or Windows because Android has so many features over them. I hope in the future Google will manage to eliminate that lag.
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Andrija231 said:
I hope in the future Google will manage to eliminate that lag.
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We all do... Practically, the only argument iOS and WP users are having, is that magic word "lag".
Other than that, Android is unbeatable in all other areas.

Big colourful icons, multi-function widgets, and many other eye candy functions use system resources without delivering a real value for the user. Windows has plump tiles, and the app drawer is just a simple list of apps. Just as examples. My wifes windows phone has 2/3 of the hardware power, but it worked fluid any time.
Change the icons to simple symbols, make a vertical scroll app drawer with tiny icons, remove widgets, use the app drawer to access apps. And so on. It will bring you leaps forward in terms of functionality.
Most will say that unused memory is wasted memory. I believe on the long run it's better apps have a proper exit button, and clear themselves from memory when done.

[Q] Weird RAM Managment.

Hi,
I have L90 D405n. I have a stock 4.4.2 LG ROM.
I also have installed more than a dozen apps. When I start my phone I have about 200MB free RAM memory. In the next 36h of constant work I have less and less free memory.
Right now before I restarted my L90 I had less than 50MB of free RAM and my apps where in "restarting" mode (settings > apps > running).
Did anyone of you noticed somethink similar ?

That's the thing with our device - it has too little RAM. That's why I have either unnecessary apps (the ones that came with the device and cannot be uninstalled) and their notifications disabled or you could greenify them with an app called Greenify. This basically suspends all the apps (also does it automatically when you lock the device). Also, if you're rooted and have your bootloader unlocked, you could flash CM11, which is based on stock Android. That should also use less RAM as it isn't skinned.
Personally, I rarely saw RAM go below 150MB, but the aforementioned solutions should help.

linasj said:
That's the thing with our device - it has too little RAM. That's why I have either unnecessary apps (the ones that came with the device and cannot be uninstalled) and their notifications disabled or you could greenify them with an app called Greenify. This basically suspends all the apps (also does it automatically when you lock the device). Also, if you're rooted and have your bootloader unlocked, you could flash CM11, which is based on stock Android. That should also use less RAM as it isn't skinned.
Personally, I rarely saw RAM go below 150MB, but the aforementioned solutions should help.
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Greenify works only for a while, after a few more hours my phone is still out of memory. I also tried CM but it's not working properly on my device. 1GB of RAM is definitely not too little. My brother has MyPhone Cube (Polish manufacturer) he has no Greenify and a lot of apps installed. His phone still manages to get over 500MB of free RAM with all the apps kept in memory. Free memory doesn't shrinks with time on his phone.
So it's definitely a poor RAM managment solutions in L90 and a lots of crappy apps run in background. I can provide logcat and all the necessary log's if someone would like to look into it.

P.S. What is Lost RAM ?
I have over 70MB right now.

Xemidra said:
Greenify works only for a while, after a few more hours my phone is still out of memory. I also tried CM but it's not working properly on my device. 1GB of RAM is definitely not too little. My brother has MyPhone Cube (Polish manufacturer) he has no Greenify and a lot of apps installed. His phone still manages to get over 500MB of free RAM with all the apps kept in memory. Free memory doesn't shrinks with time on his phone.
So it's definitely a poor RAM managment solutions in L90 and a lots of crappy apps run in background. I can provide logcat and all the necessary log's if someone would like to look into it.
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Then again, it runs almost pure stock Android, while L90 is pretty heavily skinned. Yeah, Greenify is a bet in this case. I myself had it working well in some cases and not so well in other.
I tried (and suggested) probably a good majority of the solutions there are, so it might be up to LG to figure this out (if they're aware of it). But rest assured, you're not the only one with RAM issues. If it weren't for them, it'd probably be an even better device.

linasj said:
Then again, it runs almost pure stock Android, while L90 is pretty heavily skinned. Yeah, Greenify is a bet in this case. I myself had it working well in some cases and not so well in other.
I tried (and suggested) probably a good majority of the solutions there are, so it might be up to LG to figure this out (if they're aware of it). But rest assured, you're not the only one with RAM issues. If it weren't for them, it'd probably be an even better device.
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CarbonROM worked very nice on my phone but it had serious problem with theme engine (it's a ****ty function) and it disables my clock alarm causing SystemUI force close. Fonts on any CustomROM aren't that sharp like in stock, camera performance and quality is a lot worse and entirely useless IR because it's not working at all. It's also quieter than stock.
I don't understand why manufacturers are stubborn and they are forcing their own overlays. Android could work as fast and stable as Windows Phone if they would start using clean Android.

Xemidra said:
CarbonROM worked very nice on my phone but it had serious problem with theme engine (it's a ****ty function) and it disables my clock alarm causing SystemUI force close. Fonts on any CustomROM aren't that sharp like in stock, camera performance and quality is a lot worse and entirely useless IR because it's not working at all. It's also quieter than stock.
I don't understand why manufacturers are stubborn and they are forcing their own overlays. Android could work as fast and stable as Windows Phone if they would start using clean Android.
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THIS. I wish Google would pressure OEMs just so that they'd skin Android less. Hell, I would've gotten a Motorola or a Nexus device if I could, but I can't really buy a Motorola device where I live (unless off of Ebay or Amazon, but I guess I'm a bit worried about buying things like that there). Albeit Nexus 5 being quite a budget phone, it's still out of my league. For now.

Why is Samsung's default Android with their stuff so slow?

I used lolipop most of the time on my S5 mini but I also used marshmallow recently. Even with all **** disabled there are still very noticable delays when I switch between applications and scrolling isn't smooth, some transitions are not as smooth either.
I'm using Slim6 at the moment and first thing I noticed when is that it's so smooth. For a while I thought this phone's hardware is too weak for system or it should run it damn smooth. On another hand I see phones like J5 2016 from Samsung which has Marshmallow preinstalled and it's so much smoother than my S5 mini ever was.
So my question is what causes the system to preform so slow and not as smooth as one would like? And it can't be bloatware because even if you disable and uninstall all of that **** it still runs just as bad.

inejco said:
I used lolipop most of the time on my S5 mini but I also used marshmallow recently. Even with all **** disabled there are still very noticable delays when I switch between applications and scrolling isn't smooth, some transitions are not as smooth either.
I'm using Slim6 at the moment and first thing I noticed when is that it's so smooth. For a while I thought this phone's hardware is too weak for system or it should run it damn smooth. On another hand I see phones like J5 2016 from Samsung which has Marshmallow preinstalled and it's so much smoother than my S5 mini ever was.
So my question is what causes the system to preform so slow and not as smooth as one would like? And it can't be bloatware because even if you disable and uninstall all of that **** it still runs just as bad.
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Stock Lolipop is full of bloatware, and the problem is, this software runs mostly in Backgroud, even if you don't use it.

Wow I'm actually shocked. After removing around 20 Google and Samsung crap that came preinstalled using Bloatware removing tools I can actually feel the difference in smoothness and device is a lot more fun to use. Again understameted what all those annoying apps from Samsung and Google can do.

inejco said:
Wow I'm actually shocked. After removing around 20 Google and Samsung crap that came preinstalled using Bloatware removing tools I can actually feel the difference in smoothness and device is a lot more fun to use. Again understameted what all those annoying apps from Samsung and Google can do.
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What app and with what parameters (setup) have you used for debloating?

Nevermind it's getting slow overtime still. ****.

It's the kernel, don't use Samsung stock kernel. I've got a G800Y variant and that sh*t was as slow as a fkn fliptop I swear. I've got the following on mine:
- Xposed (23/87.1 for Samsung) <- Personally, this is also partly to do with being able to maintain everything, there's a module called like 100M+ Memory Saver (module list below)
- No Google Play Services/Play Store/Location/ANYTHING (even using Yalp Store as an alternative to that cancerous bundle of leaching bloatware)
- Hopefully sometime soon the open source OpenLauncher gets fixed up sometime soon, swear its the best of every Launcher -Performance draining features/+Free and it's pretty tidy too (but broken)
- HEBF Optimizer (Free - XDA), not sure about this one but the UI is tidy and it's got some good stuff, personally used to 3C but I have both installed
Running on the SpookyCity v2.5 CM13 Kernel (you have to CM-Auto-Root to get an install without that dirty blue/red in the top left and fix up some root permission issues I was getting), with LineageOS 13.0. Don't install addonsu, pretty sure I got it going using some divine blessing with SuperSU 2.79.
Xposed Modules
- 100M+ Memory Saver
- 3C Toolbox Pro (Free/Paid - Xposed/Play/$9.99) [Xposed-capable] little outdated, but it's got a whole bunch of options for lazy/new/any user
- Adblocker Reborn
- All My...
- Android N-ify
- FS Keyboard
- Xposed Settings Injector
Even though it states the G800F Kernel is just that, for the F model, I managed to get it going primo, gonna see what RR is like so I'll prob do a guide on that to be honest, all I know is this phone was never going this fast before I threw a custom Kernel on it, exponential speed increase.

Sounds like a lot of work. Will keep that in mind but he also made great rom that works really well for now Slim7 which also offers stock UI which looks so much better than lolipop skin from Samsung, so I'm gonna hopefully be able to stick with that.

inejco said:
Sounds like a lot of work. Will keep that in mind but he also made great rom that works really well for now Slim7 which also offers stock UI which looks so much better than lolipop skin from Samsung, so I'm gonna hopefully be able to stick with that.
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Just to be noted, that was with a G800Y. That variant doesn't seem to have too much support but I haven't really found anything other than the bands to be that different between the two although I can't seem to get this '1500MHz' clock speed I've seen here and there.
Since I last posted, I installed got rid of MM - the features are great but I have a friend who's running N and their battery life is more than double what it was stock or MM. So I factory reset (TWRP - No need to lose your pictures etc, just make sure to make a .vcf back up of your contacts), flashed the SpookyCity v2.5 RR Kernel and threw on the latest build of Resurrection Remix (2.8.4). No need to opt into the Google scam or anything stock that Samsung has to offer, just use Yalp Store*.
Sure I've lost a handful of features from Xposed, but with a phone that ranges from 35C - 45C combined with a battery life of ~8 hours, kinda worth it. Resurrection Remix is a combination of LOS and another ROM (Resurrection *something*) and it runs flawless. No need for Google because that's the real killer..
*Yalp Store - Featured on the F-Droid repository, you can log in using alt. credentials or even your own (at your own risk!), if you want purchased apps you can use APK Extractor (F-Droid) OR buy it via PS website and use your login. Google isn't in the picture when it comes to enhancing your phones performance, however you can still use the pixel launcher in RR 2.8.4, and if you're curious as to what you can use instead of the Google search engine try DuckDuckGo