Downgrading to Android 8 without compromising Knox/ Samsung Pay? - Samsung Galaxy Note 8 Questions and Answers

Hi all,
My Note 8 is currently running Android 9 (official), with baseband N950FXXU6DSD3. Given the phone is turning sluggish day by I thought it would be a good idea to downgrade to Android 8. Well, I downloaded Odion and the official firmware for N950F but Odin gave me an error. Googled and found it is probably because the baseband / bootloader is l6 and the firmware I was installing was l5. However, I couldnt find any official android 8 version with bootloader l6.
Just wondering if there is an alternate was of downgrading without tripping Knox/ Samsung Pay?
Thanks!

kamer4u said:
Hi all,
My Note 8 is currently running Android 9 (official), with baseband N950FXXU6DSD3. Given the phone is turning sluggish day by I thought it would be a good idea to downgrade to Android 8. Well, I downloaded Odion and the official firmware for N950F but Odin gave me an error. Googled and found it is probably because the baseband / bootloader is l6 and the firmware I was installing was l5. However, I couldnt find any official android 8 version with bootloader l6.
Just wondering if there is an alternate was of downgrading without tripping Knox/ Samsung Pay?
Thanks!
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Nope not possible you're stuck on bootloader version 6 and there's no going backwards now!

There is no Android 8 rom with v6 bootloader? Also, if I choose OEM unlock will it still trip my Knox even if I install official firmware?

kamer4u said:
There is no Android 8 rom with v6 bootloader? Also, if I choose OEM unlock will it still trip my Knox even if I install official firmware?
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No OEM unlocking will not trip your Knox flag. However, if you install twrp and root the phone that's when you'll trip knox. If you're thinking that toggling the OEM button will allow you to downgrade backwards it's not going to happen! I personally don't know of any Android 8 on bootloader version 6. This is why we preach not to accept updates or buy a phone that's already been updated because there's just no going back once you update! We haven't found a way to do that and I don't think anyone is actually spending their time to try to figure that out either.

Ah ok. Thanks. Guess I am stuck on a laggy OS.

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Is G925VVRS4DQD1 (Nougat) Root-able yet?

I got a Samsung S6 Edge (Verizon SM-G925V) today and heard I should upgrade to 7.0 (Nougat) firmware and hope it gets rooted soon. Is the baseband version I have root-able? It's G925VVRS4DQD1
To my understanding, the tool on autoroot.chainfire.eu WOULD work, but because the bootloader is locked down, it will brick the device instead? Is that true? Is there any hope that 7.0 will be rooted soon for my device? Any input on this would be helpful, thanks.
TofuStranger said:
I got a Samsung S6 Edge (Verizon SM-G925V) today and heard I should upgrade to 7.0 (Nougat) firmware and hope it gets rooted soon. Is the baseband version I have root-able? It's G925VVRS4DQD1
To my understanding, the tool on autoroot.chainfire.eu WOULD work, but because the bootloader is locked down, it will brick the device instead? Is that true? Is there any hope that 7.0 will be rooted soon for my device? Any input on this would be helpful, thanks.
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I tried it it said something about recovery not sure what but in Odin on the phone screen it said recovery fail
So do i. However, it won't brick your phone. One time i tried to upgrade to 7.0 or downgrade to 6.0, first boot i saw a pic of a lock is unlocked when i first boot. Next time i boot, it disapppears. Any idea?
I think this phone is unrootable for now since Verizon is like "you can't make it because i don't wanna my phone naked, haha"
Same problem here. recovery fail. How can I root my G925V Nougat?

Downgrade Options? SM-T710 Nougat

I have a tab s2 sm-t710 on nougat T710XXU2DQCL that was installed OTA and would like to know if i am able to downgrade to 6.0.1. The device is 100% stock and was wondering if ODIN would give me any grief about downgrading. The PDA number of the 6.0.1 file is T710XXU2CPK1 (Cellular South).
Thanks
On paper, I think you should be fine. :angel:
I'd also like to know this as battery life seemed much better on 6.0.1 for me.
i did downgrade my T 815 from 7.0m to 6.01 using odin. didnt face any difficulties. i did a complete wipe/format after i downgraded .
Can you not downgrade with TWRP as well?
Anyone knows how can I downgrade this tablet? It's in stock
Kyrat said:
Anyone knows how can I downgrade this tablet? It's in stock
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I used Odin and firmware downloaded from sammobile and it worked flawlessly. I've performed downgrades on over 100 tablets so far and they have all worked good.
Downgrded my t713 long time ago and didn't have a single problem, you just need to download a compaitable firmware from sammobile!
Kyrat said:
Anyone knows how can I downgrade this tablet? It's in stock
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You're safe to downgrade as long as it's allowed. Older builds will fail immediately so there is no harm to downgrade.
I've seen a few people asking about downgrading. Whats the reason behind this? Is N glitchy?
Need help downgrading SM-T719Y
Hawkhell said:
I've seen a few people asking about downgrading. Whats the reason behind this? Is N glitchy?
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N does not work at all well with DJI drone remote controllers. I foolishly updated my brand new SM-T719Y 8" and Now I cannot connect to my drone at all. I have an pre 2016 Tab S2 on Android 6.01 and bingo works.
This size pad is the preferred size for drones and has enough grunt to provide stutter free vision. Cannot comment on anything else about N as this pad will only be used for my drone...
Yt2...
Beut said:
You're safe to downgrade as long as it's allowed. Older builds will fail immediately so there is no harm to downgrade.
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Hi Beut,
I have been trying yo downgrade my Tab S2 SM-T719Y LTE from Nougat to 6.01 and have correct downgrade and Odin. Every time I try to downgrade it fails straight away, so I was wondering what you ment by "as long as it is allowed" & "older builds" will fail immediately.
I need to get this happening as I cant fly my drone.
Cheers Yts...
I don't have your model so it cannot verify. However, other models I can downgrade to older builds close to the Nougat.
Like SM-T580 or SM-P580, both are Android 7, QF1 and QE4 respectively. I can downgrade them to PL4 or PL2, Android 6 but not the PG1.
Q: 17 or 2017
P: 16 or 2016.
The second letter is the month it's released.
You also need the right bootloader, different OS has different bootloader. Many just flash the AP file only without bootloader, it'll failed when downgrade.
Is it possible that you cannot downgrade Nougat to 6.01 as every time I try on my SM-T719Y Tab S2 LTE, it fails straight away. I have tried 3 different downloads and all failed, but Odin will let me overwrite my Nougat with a downloaded version of Nougat from the same web location as I got one of the 6.01 firmwares from.
Here are my fail messages.
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Is it me or is it this model of the Tab S2 SM-T719Y????
When downgrade to MM you need the BL ( Bootloader ) goes with the AP . Boot loader of Nougat is not the same as MM , however bootloader of LTE version is locked
Sammy doesn't want you to downgrade.. nougat is planned obsolescence, I'd say.
Beut said:
When downgrade to MM you need the BL ( Bootloader ) goes with the AP . Boot loader of Nougat is not the same as MM , however bootloader of LTE version is locked
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Hey I've been trying to downgrade my T719Y for days now. Constantly failing and googling everything I can to find where I'm going wrong.
How would I know if I have the LTE version? And if I do and the bootloader is locked, does that mean I can't downgrade?
If I don't have the LTE version, you're saying I need the bootloader and AP to downgrade? Where can I find the bootloader?
I'll keep searching and trying but this is wearing me down. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. My surveyors can't do a damn thing with our giant UAV until I fix this
LTE version is the one that has SIM, usually it's next to SD slot. Most LTE versions have locked bootloader, that's why you cannot downgrade firmware.
I just kept an older phone for apps available only for 6.0. Like scr recorder. Otherwise there are no reasons to downgrade

Downgrade from 8.0.0 to 7.1.1

I'm currently on 8.0.0 version and I want to downgrade to 7.1.1. I need help with the downgrade version
I've tried N950USQU2BQLA and N950USQU3BRA9 and both failed.
My carrier is TMOBILE
Your 8.0 bootloader version is 4. You are trying to downgrade to a lower version. You can't.
And next time please read and search. The phone is now 8 months old, plenty of info out there !
Sent from my Note 8 using XDA Labs
kennybon said:
I'm currently on 8.0.0 version and I want to downgrade to 7.1.1. I need help with the downgrade version
I've tried N950USQU2BQLA and N950USQU3BRA9 and both failed.
My carrier is TMOBILE
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What is your current Firmware on your device?
i have downgraded from 8.0 to 7.1.1 with odin
gzimzzz said:
i have downgraded from 8.0 to 7.1.1 with odin
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Ok. It depends on what firmware he is on. If he is on U4 oreo its impossible for him to downgrade
me2151 said:
Ok. It depends on what firmware he is on. If he is on U4 oreo its impossible for him to downgrade
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If you don't mind me asking, why would it be impossible to downgrade if he's on U4? What would cause the process to be impossible?
Max_Terrible said:
If you don't mind me asking, why would it be impossible to downgrade if he's on U4? What would cause the process to be impossible?
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What he wants is to downgrade to 7.1.1 which is possible if he is on u3(keep in mind i am referring to the bootloader version). On U4 there is ONLY 8.0. They did not release a 7.1.1 on U4 bootloader. Any time there is a major bootloader revision(such as u3 to u4 bootloader) Samsung blows a qfuse preventing older firmware from being installed(you can only flash firmware that is on the same incriment or newer) meaning if you are V1 bootlaoder you can flash either v1- v4 HOWEVER the moment you flash a higher version(if you go from v1 to v2) you are now stuck on v2 and higher and can no longer flash v1.
Based on the OPs provided information I assume he is on v4 bootloader because he is unable to flash v2 and v3 firmware. Because he is on the v4 bootloader he cannot flash 7.1.1 firmware which was last on U3. At this point his only option is to stick with U4 firmware(8.0 only).
me2151 said:
What he wants is to downgrade to 7.1.1 which is possible if he is on u3(keep in mind i am referring to the bootloader version). On U4 there is ONLY 8.0. They did not release a 7.1.1 on U4 bootloader. Any time there is a major bootloader revision(such as u3 to u4 bootloader) Samsung blows a qfuse preventing older firmware from being installed(you can only flash firmware that is on the same incriment or newer) meaning if you are V1 bootlaoder you can flash either v1- v4 HOWEVER the moment you flash a higher version(if you go from v1 to v2) you are now stuck on v2 and higher and can no longer flash v1.
Based on the OPs provided information I assume he is on v4 bootloader because he is unable to flash v2 and v3 firmware. Because he is on the v4 bootloader he cannot flash 7.1.1 firmware which was last on U3. At this point his only option is to stick with U4 firmware(8.0 only).
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Thank you for explaining this to me. It makes sense.
EDIT: I Google'd how to check which bootloader you' re on, and actually found a bunch of articles that seems to explain what you just did, along with being unable to flash custom ROMs.
I need to go from 8.0 to 7.1.1 too
Hi guys I upgraded this evening from 7.1.1 bqk2 to 8.0 2cql1
It doesn't work correctly I keep getting a black screen and the phone vibrates.
The only way I've been able to fix is holding power volume up and bixby and wiping data/factory reset
Is there a link to a download for my software and a guide at all?
Forgive me for the stupid question I can't find any info out there online or a YouTube video
Thanks in advance
Joe
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Kingjucas said:
Hi guys I upgraded this evening from 7.1.1 bqk2 to 8.0 2cql1
It doesn't work correctly I keep getting a black screen and the phone vibrates.
The only way I've been able to fix is holding power volume up and bixby and wiping data/factory reset
Is there a link to a download for my software and a guide at all?
Forgive me for the stupid question I can't find any info out there online or a YouTube video
Thanks in advance
Joe
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Just to add the reason I'm uninstalling is every time I update the always on display app it is then that I get the black screen and vibrations. Until then it is fine.
Kingjucas said:
Hi guys I upgraded this evening from 7.1.1 bqk2 to 8.0 2cql1
It doesn't work correctly I keep getting a black screen and the phone vibrates.
The only way I've been able to fix is holding power volume up and bixby and wiping data/factory reset
Is there a link to a download for my software and a guide at all?
Forgive me for the stupid question I can't find any info out there online or a YouTube video
Thanks in advance
Joe
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Just to add the reason I'm uninstalling is every time I update the always on display app it is then that I get the black screen and vibrations. Until then it is fine.
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Maybe try a factory reset (backup first!), or install a fresh copy of the firmware using Odin. You can find the files for your device/model on Sammobile, and then download from there or through SamFirm.
hello everyone I'm the only one to this discussion to try to understand and maybe solve my problem, currently on the 8th note I android 8 (R16NW.N950FXXS5CSA1) updated by mistake with software sam firm
I wanted to go back to Android 7.1.1 I tried to insert firmware (N950FXXU3BRA8 base) but odin gives me a failed installation, reading here in the forum seems to be the fault of oreo samsung changed BL / CP making it impossible to go back, I tried but I did not found files needed for downgrade thanks to everyone for the answers
labello29 said:
hello everyone I'm the only one to this discussion to try to understand and maybe solve my problem, currently on the 8th note I android 8 (R16NW.N950FXXS5CSA1) updated by mistake with software sam firm
I wanted to go back to Android 7.1.1 I tried to insert firmware (N950FXXU3BRA8 base) but odin gives me a failed installation, reading here in the forum seems to be the fault of oreo samsung changed BL / CP making it impossible to go back, I tried but I did not found files needed for downgrade thanks to everyone for the answers
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Sorry You can't downgrade to nougat because you are on bootloader version "5"! (From your firmware version you are on N950FXXUS"5"CSA1, the number in "" is your bootloader version). Nougat only went upto bootloader version 3.
The current bootloader won't allow it to be downgraded only upgraded to v6 and higher.
There is no files (that I know of) that will downgrade the bootloader. You'll might have better chance on talking to Samsung and see if they can downgrade your phone.
BluePhnx said:
Sorry You can't downgrade to nougat because you are on bootloader version "5"! (From your firmware version you are on N950FXXUS"5"CSA1, the number in "" is your bootloader version). Nougat only went upto bootloader version 3.
The current bootloader won't allow it to be downgraded only upgraded to v6 and higher.
There is no files (that I know of) that will downgrade the bootloader. You'll might have better chance on talking to Samsung and see if they can downgrade your phone.
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so it was true that small article that I read on google that samsung stopped the downgrade ... damn therefore not proceeding gradually "4" up to the number "3"?
labello29 said:
so it was true that small article that I read on google that samsung stopped the downgrade ... damn therefore not proceeding gradually "4" up to the number "3"?
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You can't downgrade the bootloader. Period. That actually why they change the bootloader version...to prevent you from downgrading.
I realized that my galaxy note 8 is not Italian but Europe on download mode me other carrier id
when I arrived for fear that it would not work in Italy I updated it with odin definitely wrong to bring it to android 8

Odin to downgrade Samsung galaxy note 8

Hi,
I have updated my unrooted note 8 to the android Pie but unfortunately I didn't like the new awful UI also I missed some good features in android Oreo. So, is it possible to use Odin to downgrade unrooted note 8. I'm not interested to root it, just want to downgrade it to official Oreo.
One more question, I even liked Android Nougat than Oreo. So is it possible to downgrade from Pie to Nougat using Odin without rooting?
thanks
mdxii said:
Hi,
I have updated my unrooted note 8 to the android Pie but unfortunately I didn't like the new awful UI also I missed some good features in android Oreo. So, is it possible to use Odin to downgrade unrooted note 8. I'm not interested to root it, just want to downgrade it to official Oreo.
One more question, I even liked Android Nougat than Oreo. So is it possible to downgrade from Pie to Nougat using Odin without rooting?
thanks
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You can go back to oreo as long as the bootloader is the same.
You'll have to do a factory reset though.
eg.
Oreo firmware: N950FXXS5CSA2
PIE firmware: N950FXXU5DSA2
Notice the 5 before "DSA2" and the "CSA2" that's the bootloader version. So since the pie and oreo firmware has the same bootloader version you can go back to oreo.
You can NOT go back to Nougat different bootloaders.
eg.
Nougat firmware: N950FXXU3BRA8
PIE firmware : N950FXXS5DSB2
Notice the 3 before "BRA8" and 5 before "DSB2" they don't match!
So the bootloader version 5 will NOT downgrade itself to version 3 therefore Odin will give you a failed error message.
To be is a different question . I have a problem, I want flash the rom with pie generic Spain, now I am in Vodafone pie and Odin always say fail, what can I do?, thanks.
pato66 said:
To be is a different question . I have a problem, I want flash the rom with pie generic Spain, now I am in Vodafone pie and Odin always say fail, what can I do?, thanks.
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What is your csc?
Spain is PHE in multi-CSC OXM
Vodafone is ATL in OVF Csc firmware.
If you used home-CSC and it fails only option is to use the CSC file (this will delete data so backup first.)
The multi-CSC oxm doesn't have ATL csc inside so you'll lose any carrier specific features (maybe???) So do some research first.
CSC Questions
Hello everybody, I've found myself in the position of needing to downgrade from Pie back to Oreo also.
My question revolves around this "MYSTERIOUS" Samsung "CSC" designation, and the difficulties in verifying what I have vs what I NEED
I have an unlocked SM-N950U1 which is currently running on the Verizon network in the United States
I do NOT have any of the Verizion specific features, ie.... "My Verizon" or even "Verizon Visual VoiceMail"
the phone has also been on the AT&T network previously again with no carrier specific features there either.
Since the "secret code" for the dialer didn't work to reveal my CSC, and there is no carrier software version entry in my about phone software information to reveal the CSC either, I downloaded one of the generic "phone info" apps and it reports VZW as currently active CSC on the CSC tab, but then on the firmware tab in the CSC version location its reporting "N950U1OYM5DSC1" and I have found zero reference to an "OYM" CSC anywhere.
I have downloaded both the PIE and OREO variants of the "XAA" firmware for my Note 8
Does anybody have any idea if this is going to be the correct firmware to accomplish this downgrade without bricking this darn thing, I have no interest in root nowadays because the minuses out weigh the pluses and I really don't want to trigger knox and loose google pay or any of my banking apps, but I really do use and need to use the call recording capabilities that still worked in Oreo, and not anymore in Pie
Thanks in advance
Dan
BluePhnx said:
You can go back to oreo as long as the bootloader is the same.
You'll have to do a factory reset though.
eg.
Oreo firmware: N950FXXS5CSA2
PIE firmware: N950FXXU5DSA2
Notice the 5 before "DSA2" and the "CSA2" that's the bootloader version. So since the pie and oreo firmware has the same bootloader version you can go back to oreo.
You can NOT go back to Nougat different bootloaders.
eg.
Nougat firmware: N950FXXU3BRA8
PIE firmware : N950FXXS5DSB2
Notice the 3 before "BRA8" and 5 before "DSB2" they don't match!
So the bootloader version 5 will NOT downgrade itself to version 3 therefore Odin will give you a failed error message.
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Hi, i just came to this conclusion! i am currently running N950FXXU7DSJ1 and odin always gives me error when i try to downgrade. no matter newest or older version. so there is no possible way to downgrade?
What if i unlock bootloader(if its possible for currently last version), change to custom recovery and install any custom rom(nougat?) and maybe flash bootloader via custom rom also? will this option be possible at all?

How to Downgrade U8 TO U4 ?

Hi, have SM-G975F/DS and using for 1 years Got it from outiside of Turkey. As i live in Turkey, our "HONORABLE" Tech institution will give 120 days to use unregistered IMEI's . So my time has ended, and has to change my IMEI number. But only way to do this is downgrading my phone to april-before firmwares.
Downloaded and tried to flash old firmwares but, device rejected them and gave error :sw rev check fail bootloader device 8 binary 4
So its so important to downgrade my phone u4 or previous firmwares.
Succesfully rooted with Magisk now and My question is : Any chance to downgrade my phone back to Android 9 or u4-u3 binaries?
how did you solve th
ahgsql said:
Hi, have SM-G975F/DS and using for 1 years Got it from outiside of Turkey. As i live in Turkey, our "HONORABLE" Tech institution will give 120 days to use unregistered IMEI's . So my time has ended, and has to change my IMEI number. But only way to do this is downgrading my phone to april-before firmwares.
Downloaded and tried to flash old firmwares but, device rejected them and gave error :sw rev check fail bootloader device 8 binary 4
So its so important to downgrade my phone u4 or previous firmwares.
Succesfully rooted with Magisk now and My question is : Any chance to downgrade my phone back to Android 9 or u4-u3 binaries?
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how did you actual downgrade ur bootloader
Yes I would like to know also how to downgrade bootloader. I am having awful battery life since I have updated to Android 11 and not able to downgrade due to bootloader update.
Idon't think its possible...it hasn't been for a long time
supertac said:
Idon't think its possible...it hasn't been for a long time
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I have been on A10 but wanted to try A11 experience so enabled updates with adb. Unfortunately A11 on S10 series is placebo and I have to charge my phone every 12 hours. Then I noticed I cant go back to A10 because of changed bootloader ...
yeah...you went to far on the bootloader...there is versions of A11 on the V4 bootloader
supertac said:
yeah...you went to far on the bootloader...there is versions of A11 on the V4 bootloader
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so then only root, twrp and a custom rom left with some special kernel what is saving the battery, lets me use the gps and bank apps.

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