After November's patch we have 90Hz on all the time basically, but this also means that now the screen in dark mode is really green. Is there any way to adjust colour temperature on the Pixel 4 XL so as to correct this calibration mess? I know my S10+ can tweak colour temperature. The three available settings on Android 10 are not enough as there is no RGB adjustment.
Thanks all!
Edit: Just to be clear, rooting is not an option. Alternatively, if somebody knows where I can submit feedback to Google to resolve this horrible calibration that too would be appreciated. All grays are green. Ugh
You don't have 90 on all the time unless you've enabled developer and set it as such. The green occurs during the switching so you may want to consider enabling developer and turning on 90 all the time which can be done without root. I can say that it uses less battery than AOD (as an example) so it may be that this will fix the problem.
Unfortunately your information is outdated. 90Hz is on all the time since November patch for the Pixel 4 XL except under some limited conditions when one is not interacting with the display. I also confirmed via UFO test. The only way to get rid of the severe green tinting is to turn off smooth display which is BS. Anyway, I've decided that this product, despite its stellar camera and great physical design is unfortunately too flawed.
Battery life is poor and anxiety inducing, the display is awful (green tint, severe black crush at lower brightness settings), and even Bluetooth functionality has issues. Sure, almost all of these can be fixed by software (except battery life) but that may never happen or may take months or years to materialize. Unfortunately for $1,500 CAD that's just not good enough. There is a lot I love about the phone but this display crap is the last straw for me. Maybe Pixel 5 will do better.
Very sad and disappointed
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Severe? Not for me. Compared it to my Pixel 2 XL with brightness set to 0 and I could see everything just fine on the 4 XL.
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Severe? Not for me. Compared it to my Pixel 2 XL with brightness set to 0 and I could see everything just fine on the 4 XL.
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Yup I agree. The black crush isn't severe at all and is the same as any oled at low brightness. The 2 XL was awful for black crush
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After November's patch we have 90Hz on all the time basically, but this also means that now the screen in dark mode is really green. Is there any way to adjust colour temperature on the Pixel 4 XL so as to correct this calibration mess? I know my S10+ can tweak colour temperature. The three available settings on Android 10 are not enough as there is no RGB adjustment.
Thanks all!
Edit: Just to be clear, rooting is not an option. Alternatively, if somebody knows where I can submit feedback to Google to resolve this horrible calibration that too would be appreciated. All grays are green. Ugh
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There are a number of apps in the Playstore that can adjust display calibration. I used one in the early days of the Pixel 2 XL, and it worked well.
Having said that, if all greys are green, then maybe your phone is faulty and should be returned?
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/6398243?hl=en-GB
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Severe? Not for me. Compared it to my Pixel 2 XL with brightness set to 0 and I could see everything just fine on the 4 XL.
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Yup I agree. The black crush isn't severe at all and is the same as any oled at low brightness. The 2 XL was awful for black crush
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Interesting perspectives. I had a feeling that there may perhaps be something wrong with my device at lower brightness seeing as I cannot fathom how DisplayMate could possibly rate the Pixel 4 XL display the way they did if the display was the way mine is. If you look at my post history as well I too praised the display at one point, but my praise was (in my case) misplaced if you take into account low brightness. This was, by far, the worst OLED I've used ever, which leads me to my comment below...
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There are a number of apps in the Playstore that can adjust display calibration. I used one in the early days of the Pixel 2 XL, and it worked well.
Having said that, if all greys are green, then maybe your phone is faulty and should be returned?
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/6398243?hl=en-GB
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Ultimately this is what I decided to do. I cannot see how this can be normal. It is truly awful. I think you cannot appreciate just how awful it is because no amount of explanation here will quite paint the picture. Since I have the S10+ and the iPhone 11 Pro, I had put them side by side just to confirm I'm not somehow going crazy and biasing my opinion and the difference was so stark that it made the Pixel 4 XL look like it was a $200 budget phone. The Pixel 4 XL has no colour detail, suffers from terrible black crush, and is completely miscalibrated with all colours at low brightness tending to green.
Last but not least, those apps you mention are all filters. There is no way outside of rooting to actually adjust the RGB balance. For this expensive of a phone, that's just not acceptable and neither is waiting for the issue to be addressed.
I may try another Pixel 4 XL just to see how it compares but I do feel that this isn't as isolated as one may think.
It's very annoying. I manually disable Smooth display in the evenings now. Hoping Google can fix this.
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Interesting perspectives. I had a feeling that there may perhaps be something wrong with my device at lower brightness seeing as I cannot fathom how DisplayMate could possibly rate the Pixel 4 XL display the way they did if the display was the way mine is. If you look at my post history as well I too praised the display at one point, but my praise was (in my case) misplaced if you take into account low brightness. This was, by far, the worst OLED I've used ever, which leads me to my comment below...
Ultimately this is what I decided to do. I cannot see how this can be normal. It is truly awful. I think you cannot appreciate just how awful it is because no amount of explanation here will quite paint the picture. Since I have the S10+ and the iPhone 11 Pro, I had put them side by side just to confirm I'm not somehow going crazy and biasing my opinion and the difference was so stark that it made the Pixel 4 XL look like it was a $200 budget phone. The Pixel 4 XL has no colour detail, suffers from terrible black crush, and is completely miscalibrated with all colours at low brightness tending to green.
Last but not least, those apps you mention are all filters. There is no way outside of rooting to actually adjust the RGB balance. For this expensive of a phone, that's just not acceptable and neither is waiting for the issue to be addressed.
I may try another Pixel 4 XL just to see how it compares but I do feel that this isn't as isolated as one may think.
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Yeah I don't know if you got a bad screen or what but it's amazingly better over the Pixel 2 XL other than brightness. When indoors and at similar brightness, it's very comparable to my wife's S9+.
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The screen is comparable to the OnePlus 7 pro just calibrated a bit different. Any phone or any oled you can get a crappy defective unit, it your not happy swap it out.
I do wish Google gave us more options like OnePlus to adjust the white point etc, that would solve things to some extent as most people prefer or are use to different white points
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Yeah I don't know if you got a bad screen or what but it's amazingly better over the Pixel 2 XL other than brightness. When indoors and at similar brightness, it's very comparable to my wife's S9+.
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The green in low brightness is a thing, but should only be really low brightness....does sound like yours is more defective than software
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It's very annoying. I manually disable Smooth display in the evenings now. Hoping Google can fix this.
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That's the part that I'm not willing to bet the $1,500 on. I guess I should also be clear that if I disable smooth display - that is I go back to 60Hz - the colour calibration issue is largely resolved. The colour reproduction and black crush are still there at very low or minimum brightness, but not as bad or as prominent as with the 90Hz calibration. This also does not affect the Pixel 4 devices the same because Pixel 4 (non-XL) reverts to 60Hz for any brightness lower than ~40% even after November patch.
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The screen is comparable to the OnePlus 7 pro just calibrated a bit different. Any phone or any oled you can get a crappy defective unit, it your not happy swap it out.
I do wish Google gave us more options like OnePlus to adjust the white point etc, that would solve things to some extent as most people prefer or are use to different white points
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The green in low brightness is a thing, but should only be really low brightness....does sound like yours is more defective than software
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Agreed on the "having more options". With that said, I only care about that because the display is as bad as it is at low brightness. If I have time tonight, while I still haven't sent the phone back, I may just try to do a side-by-side comparison for you guys with the S10+ and iPhone 11 Pro. The differences are truly night and day (no pun intended). I am so, so disappointed that this is even an issue. I genuinely enjoyed the Pixel experience way more than I liked any of my Android devices so far. I stayed away from generations 1-3 because I wanted them to find their groove and finally felt that this was the time to jump in, only to be disappointed again. I will likely try another device just to see if it makes a difference and just how much, but I doubt it will be much better. Just as an FYI, in a completely dark room I run my brightness at minimum setting since it reduces glare. A good, properly calibrated OLED should still be able to produce a decent picture. The Pixel 4 XL, my Pixel 4 XL, is far from decent.
Edit: By the way, here is one really good example of it from Reddit https://camo.githubusercontent.com/...3682f45785a68422f666236646162656237642e706e67. It's not my phone, but this is the exact issue. Look at the grays - they are literally green. Here is another set of reports from Reddit as well https://www.reddit.com/r/GooglePixel/comments/ds6rd6/pixel_4_xl_screen_tint/. I am going to try to do my own photos tonight to post here.
I don't have anything like what you show in the link you posted, I'm forced on here since it turns out it doesn't change battery life much in my use. AOD uses something on the order of twice as much as an example. In any event I'm a home theater enthusiast and have spent some time calibrating, not I'm an expert time, but time enough to recognize blooming and other common display problems and I don't see that night or day at any brightness. If I did I'd have to agree, that wouldn't work for me.
Okay so I was able to reproduce this issue at will now and can say exactly how you can test for it. Basic display settings are Ambient EQ On, Ambient Display Off, Smooth Display On (90Hz enabled), Dark Mode Enabled, Night-shift Enabled, November patch though I think the same issue affects the launch software but to a lesser extent. For ease of testing, turn off auto-adjusting brightness. Once you have this set, here is what you do to see the problem yourself (note that the settings I mentioned are just what I had set when I tested this so I recommend using the same so its apples to apples comparison):
1. Make sure you have the default wallpaper set for this test since it is the easiest to detect issues with it.
2. Pull down the quick settings shade, drop the brightness slider all the way to zero, then close the quick settings.
3. Turn off the display by pressing the power button, wait maybe 5-10 seconds, then turn it back on. You will notice that the screen (at least in even a moderately lit room) is barely readable. It should now be red-shifted.
4. Pull down the quick settings again and start moving the brightness slider from 0% to 100% slowly, then repeat the process of moving the slider back and forth for a bit and note the colour changes. You will notice that the true-ish gray will be somewhere around 75% brightness or higher. Anything below this will start to red-shift quite severely (your grays will look more red/purple).
5. Set the brightness slider to 100% and close the quick settings, then swipe down to open them again.
6. Start moving the brightness slider from 100% towards zero and pay attention to the screen colour. You will notice that true gray quickly starts to degrade to greenish-gray, then quite severely green, until finally the brightness collapses severely around 10%-15% of the slider. Your display is now severely green shifted and moving the brightness slider back and forth will just show this effect switching to true gray around 70%-75% and up, and to severe green shift for anything below that.
7. Finally, drag the brightness down to zero again, then turn off your display via the power button. Turn on the display again and move the slider around again. Your display is now no longer green shifted, but it is now red-shifted. Repeating the same steps over and over will result in the same behaviour, back and forth red-shift when screen is turned off with brightness at zero, green shift when brightness is turned down after the device engaged 90Hz refresh rate and so on...
I actually recorded a video of this happening and will see how I can share it with Google.
So glad I found this post, I thought I was the only person experiencing this. do we try and exchange the device? Or wait for a software update?
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So glad I found this post, I thought I was the only person experiencing this. do we try and exchange the device? Or wait for a software update?
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I am actually talking to Google as I type this. I sent them my video and they confirmed the problem. They are escalating it now with all of the detail that I have provided so far, but they cannot tell me if or when it will be resolved at the moment. They are not stating that this is a hardware issue or an issue with my device. They believe that it is firmware/software, introduced or maybe made much worse by the November patch. I did inform them that the issue existed with the October patch, but it was made much worse with the November patch. Interestingly enough, while testing with them we confirmed that the green shift occurs even if smooth display is completely off or the smooth display is forced on. Turning off smooth display eliminates most of the red shift (though not all).
To answer the latter part of your question more specifically - this could end up being similar to the Pixel 2 XL POLED fiasco so there may not be a way for Google to fix this in software. Whether you are willing to take that risk is up to you. I am going to send my device back and am trying to get the Google dev team to update me on the progress of the issue regardless. At some point in the near future I'd like to be able to re-buy the Pixel 4 XL free of this problem.
I wonder if rooting and putting kurisuka Kernel would hekl
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I wonder if rooting and putting kurisuka Kernel would hekl
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Perhaps but those days are behind me. I simply don't have time to do this any more. I need the device to work solid out of the box. If you have the Pixel 4 XL, were you able to follow my instructions and reproduce the issue?
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Perhaps but those days are behind me. I simply don't have time to do this any more. I need the device to work solid out of the box. If you have the Pixel 4 XL, were you able to follow my instructions and reproduce the issue?
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Didn't make a difference, I got the white point better to how I like but the green tint bug is still there, deciding weather it's a deal breaker or not, it's really annoying
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Didn't make a difference, I got the white point better to how I like but the green tint bug is still there, deciding weather it's a deal breaker or not, it's really annoying
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What settings did you use in color control to get the white point you like?
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Perhaps but those days are behind me. I simply don't have time to do this any more. I need the device to work solid out of the box. If you have the Pixel 4 XL, were you able to follow my instructions and reproduce the issue?
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i agree with not having time, I don't have the time to try to replicate this issue. I use my phone in my bed in the dark all the time, with a dark theme and low brightness and don't have an issue that i've noticed.
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As with previous Samsung devices you can choose between various display modes, some are more accurate than others and different people prefer different look. Which mode are you running?
Adaptive display- Far too saturated colors, white point is too high(blue)
AMOLED Cinema- less saturated than Adaptive display but white point is still too high
AMOLED Photo- colors are slightly too saturated, white point is pretty good(right around 6.5k).
Basic- This is suppose to be the most accurate mode according to display mate but the UI and icons look washed out(perhaps because the UI colors were designed with very high saturation in mind?) . This mode is great for photos and videos though.
Update - I've started using basic mode. It took much longer than expected to get use to it but once I did I won't look back.
I'm using cinema as I think it looks the best
I personally always go for the most technically accurate, which is funny cause it's called basic mode lol.
I just use adaptive. Then it aaaaaaaaaadapts. Which is fine. Basic is too washed out for me. Maybe Ill do a week basic and see if it grows on me, though.
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I just use adaptive. Then it aaaaaaaaaadapts. Which is fine. Basic is too washed out for me. Maybe Ill do a week basic and see if it grows on me, though.
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I don't think adaptive display does a great job at adapting lol at least not from what I have seen....I've compared Note 4s side by side at work and adaptive doesn't really seem to adapt at all regardless of the type of media that is being displayed, still looks far to saturated and the white point is too high. Some people like that though which is why it's set to that by default.
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I'm using cinema as I think it looks the best
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I though the same thing as well, at first. Cinema mode looked more like my Galaxy S4 which I was use to. I decided to give photo mode a go though since its significantly more accurate and it grew on me after a few hours. It takes a while for your eyes and brain to readjust.
Yeah I think I'll try out basic for a while and see if it grows on me.
I've just switched to basic. I used the equivalent of it on my Galaxy Tab 7.7 which also had an amoled display and I soon got used to the correct colours. Every time the phone rebooted it would start in the default before switching and you could see just how over saturated the colours are.
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I've just switched to basic. I used the equivalent of it on my Galaxy Tab 7.7 which also had an amoled display and I soon got used to the correct colours. Every time the phone rebooted it would start in the default before switching and you could see just how over saturated the colours are.
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Yeah, same here. After using the stock color mode for years, it took me a while to get used to the accurate colors. But once I did, I could see the difference in how over saturated the colors were on stock mode. But it's definitely a preference, some people like the colors to pop.
Oversaturated colors are the best thing about AMOLED in my opinion.
Still using basic here. HAHAHAHA. But planning to try Cinema soon
I use adapted display. Don't care how accuracy color is Basic, it just wash out to me.
Cinema is crazy saturation.
Photo mode a bit yellowish, too warm.
I like cinemas cool color as photo is too warm for my tastes. I never use adaptive and basic looks off to me.
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Adaptive display
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Trying with adaptative... will see how it behaves or I'll go back to Cinema.
Cinema for the best white.
Using Cinema, loving it!
Do you think adaptative display, for obvius reasons, consumes more battery than the others?
I use photo for now because I like the high saturation that comes with it (it's not that high anyway since I use it dimmed back a bit).
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Do you think adaptative display, for obvius reasons, consumes more battery than the others?
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Actually its supposed to save on battery power.
I didn't expect 1000€ device still has this issue.
If you want to test it on your note 9 download this image: https://i.imgur.com/DUEKJzH.jpg
It is dark solid grey background.
In dark room open this image and set brightness to low. You should see uniform gray color.
I think at least 90% devices has this problem.
Here is what I see:
https://imgur.com/a/efvMZXE
https://imgur.com/a/uJPa8jE
Feel free to enlighten me but unless you spend all your time looking at a dark solid grey background, I don't see why this is an issue. I have tested mine with a similar image and to my eyes, the screen is perfect.
Your link to the image is dead btw.
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Feel free to enlighten me but unless you spend all your time looking at a dark solid grey background, I don't see why this is an issue. I have tested mine with a similar image and to my eyes, the screen is perfect.
Your link to the image is dead btw.
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Many apps has dark gray background. First I didn't test anything I just noticed it in youtube app - dark mode. Its quite disappointing.
I tried all three links on another pc and they are working.
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Many apps has dark gray background. First I didn't test anything I just noticed it in youtube app - dark mode. Its quite disappointing.
I tried all three links on another pc and they are working.
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While they do have a dark grey background, there is usually something in front of the background to draw your eye to instead.
Thanks for letting me know about the links, it's amazing how editing your post, fixing the links and saving the post makes the links work. I did check the links and all I see is noise.
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While they do have a dark grey background, there is usually something in front of the background to draw your eye to instead.
Thanks for letting me know about the links, it's amazing how editing your post, fixing the links and saving the post makes the links work. I did check the links and all I see is noise.
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Not every time background is covered by content. I can clearly see difference on youtube app, top part of display is slightly lighter and greenish and bottom is darker and reddish.
I did nothing to the links. I just tried to add pictures (insert image) but it didn't work.
seems my note 9 does not have the issue u reported
see the pic u posted as screenshot from my note 9
No issue here.
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I think at least 90% devices has this problem.
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I think you think wrong. From which orifice did you pluck that 90% figure from?
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I think you think wrong. From which orifice did you pluck that 90% figure from?
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Thats how mass production works. Or do you think im the only one who got exclusive defective device?
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Thats how mass production works. Or do you think im the only one who got exclusive defective device?
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Actually, mass production usually aims for less than 1% failure rate, so I'm pretty confident you got one of those >1%.
Considering YOU are the only one complaining, then yes, you're probably one unlucky person.
If you were talking about a Google Pixel 2/3, then yes, you're likely to have a **** screen, because that's how they are. Samsung screens aren't like that at all - the Note 9 has one of, if not THE best screen available on any phone.
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Actually, mass production usually aims for less than 1% failure rate, so I'm pretty confident you got one of those >1%.
Considering YOU are the only one complaining, then yes, you're probably one unlucky person.
If you were talking about a Google Pixel 2/3, then yes, you're likely to have a **** screen, because that's how they are. Samsung screens aren't like that at all - the Note 9 has one of, if not THE best screen available on any phone.
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Thats why Im disappointed. Didnt expect this from Samsung.
Im going to try another piece so we will see.
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I didn't expect 1000€ device still has this issue.
If you want to test it on your note 9 download this image: https://i.imgur.com/DUEKJzH.jpg
It is dark solid grey background.
In dark room open this image and set brightness to low. You should see uniform gray color.
I think at least 90% devices has this problem.
Here is what I see:
https://imgur.com/a/efvMZXE
https://imgur.com/a/uJPa8jE
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I am pretty sure they will agree to change it + the chances to draw again a problematic display are really slim. Sadly some do have such a problem and actually I saw a lot worse on the xda forums. Return it for exchange is my advice.
Look in my thread history. I made threads about Samsung display uniformity issues since Note3!
It got better over the years, but still I estimate only 10-30% of all Amoled screens are perfect.
Samsung makes things right in terms of quality management, because most customers do not notice this flaw, but if you are sensible to it, it's hard to ignore!
in my threads I also explained the reason for this, which is how amoled screens are produced. they are cut out of wafers after lithography. only devices cut out of the center of the wafer have almost uniform screens. the more from a side your screen has been cut out, the worse the screen quality will be.
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Look in my thread history. I made threads about Samsung display uniformity issues since Note3!
It got better over the years, but still I estimate only 10-30% of all Amoled screens are perfect.
Samsung makes things right in terms of quality management, because most customers do not notice this flaw, but if you are sensible to it, it's hard to ignore!
in my threads I also explained the reason for this, which is how amoled screens are produced. they are cut out of wafers after lithography. only devices cut out of the center of the wafer have almost uniform screens. the more from a side your screen has been cut out, the worse the screen quality will be.
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I think it has improved a lot since a couple of years. Before that, I used to swap my Samsung phones once or twice to get a decent one.
But the last 4 or 5 phones I bought, all with Samsung screens, were all perfect.
That includes Pixel 2 (not XL), Note 9, S8+, P20 Pro, etc....
Either I got extremely lucky to get as many perfect screens in a row, or they really improved things. Now I think it will happen to me again to have a bad one, but I'm not as nervous anymore. It's not a lottery anymore.
My Note 9 in particular is extremely impressive with a perfect screen. Perfect whites, no uniformity problem with any shades of grey at any brightness. Pure oled bliss.
BUT, I've had so many problems before that I'll ALWAYS be a little nervous before unboxing an oled screen smartphone. I've been burned too many times with crappy panels.
Let me tell you I was extremely nervous the day I bought my LG Oled 4K TV 55"..... Thousands of dollars thrown at an Oled panel lottery.... I was lucky this time again
Times are changing.
Okay so I got another note 9 and has this issue too but in different spot. Also checked one more piece in samsung store...same.
So I think almost everyone has this uneven screen but maybe some of you have less sensitive eyes or just don't want to see this problem
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Okay so I got another note 9 and has this issue too but in different spot. Also checked one more piece in samsung store...same.
So I think almost everyone has this uneven screen but maybe some of you have less sensitive eyes or just don't want to see this problem
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So my question is, does this affect your use of the device? Is it causing wear and tear on you vision? Or is it just an OCD/OCPD effect?
To me personally, stuff like this is pointless to have an issue with even on a phone that costs $1000. Unless it's to the point where you can't use the device because you see the defect on everything.
To another comment I saw that included the word "Perfect," NOTHING is perfect, and there will never be such a thing that could be perfect because of our human definition of what perfection is. It's good to strive for Better, but it's pointless to strive for Perfection.
Btw, I did download the Pic and tested it on my Note 9 and my wife's Note 8, and the uniformity is affected on both devices. I also looked at the image on my 4K TVs and my LCD monitors and the effect is there. Are you sure the image itself is uniform?
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So my question is, does this affect your use of the device? Is it causing wear and tear on you vision? Or is it just an OCD/OCPD effect?
To me personally, stuff like this is pointless to have an issue with even on a phone that costs $1000. Unless it's to the point where you can't use the device because you see the defect on everything.
To another comment I saw that included the word "Perfect," NOTHING is perfect, and there will never be such a thing that could be perfect because of our human definition of what perfection is. It's good to strive for Better, but it's pointless to strive for Perfection.
Btw, I did download the Pic and tested it on my Note 9 and my wife's Note 8, and the uniformity is affected on both devices. I also looked at the image on my 4K TVs and my LCD monitors and the effect is there. Are you sure the image itself is uniform?
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Perfect screens exist. I have some. I have perfect eyesight. I was a combat helicopter pilot in the french army. I know what to look for. If it is there I see it. If it is not, I don't. It's a fact. It's science. Not some voodoo magic wishful thinking.
I've had terrible screens. I've had some perfect. Nowadays I get more good ones than bad.
Bad ones still exist, but it my opinion that they are less and less common.
Against clear backgrounds you won't see much apart from a slight shift in color temperature.
Against dark grey at indoor brightness you can have incredible differences between some parts of the screen.
If you use a dark theme (not black), you will see it all the time.
Does it prevents you from using the phone ? No of course not.
Does it suck on a 1000 dollars phone ? Yes.
Some people are insensitive to that kind of thing. Good for them.
It's not an OCD. It's the will to have a good looking screen.
I like good looking women. I don't think it's an OCD. I know what I want, that's all. And I want the best. Nothing less.
If you want to settle with average, good for you.
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Perfect screens exist. I have some. I have perfect eyesight. I was a combat helicopter pilot in the french army. I know what to look for. If it is there I see it. If it is not, I don't. It's a fact. It's science. Not some voodoo magic wishful thinking.
I've had terrible screens. I've had some perfect. Nowadays I get more good ones than bad.
Bad ones still exist, but it my opinion that they are less and less common.
Against clear backgrounds you won't see much apart from a slight shift in color temperature.
Against dark grey at indoor brightness you can have incredible differences between some parts of the screen.
If you use a dark theme (not black), you will see it all the time.
Does it prevents you from using the phone ? No of course not.
Does it suck on a 1000 dollars phone ? Yes.
Some people are insensitive to that kind of thing. Good for them.
It's not an OCD. It's the will to have a good looking screen.
I like good looking women. I don't think it's an OCD. I know what I want, that's all. And I want the best. Nothing less.
If you want to settle with average, good for you.
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I literally stopped reading at "Perfect eyesight." And then I went back and read your reply...and I still stopped at perfect eyesight. I wish I was as perfect as you man. For real...???
Jammol said:
I literally stopped reading at "Perfect eyesight." And then I went back and read your reply...and I still stopped at perfect eyesight. I wish I was as perfect as you man. For real...??
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You do know that you have to have a perfect eyesight to be a combat pilot, do you ?
Acuity, color, contrast, night vision, side vision, field of view, and much more. Everything is tested BEFORE you're even allowed to go forward in the selection process.
Most people fail those tests. That's sad but that's life.
As a side note, you don't have to have perfect vision to see those screen problems.
They can be very obvious to anybody open minded enough.
Close minded people though, will always be impervious to such matter.
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You do know that you have to have a perfect eyesight to be a combat pilot, do you ?
Acuity, color, contrast, night vision, side vision, field of view, and much more. Everything is tested BEFORE you're even allowed to go forward in the selection process.
Most people fail those tests. That's sad but that's life.
As a side note, you don't have to have perfect vision to see those screen problems.
They can be very obvious to anybody open minded enough.
Close minded people though, will always be impervious to such matter.
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You literally missed the most important part of my original post. That's why I stopped reading your post.
And yes I do know you have to have "Perfect" eyesight to join some military air forces.?
And I hope you aren't calling me closed minded. I never said someone has to have perfect eyesight to see the differences of the pixels in the image.
Anyways, I'm done with this. Quite pointless now.??
Is it just me or the pixel 4XL screen has a bit of greenish-yellowish tint to it with Ambient EQ off? I'm kind of nit-picky so it's been bugging me lately.
It's a consequence of having 90hz at a lower brightness. Unless it's like that even at a higher brightness level?
Yup. I don't know why it's the 90hz cause never had this problem with my 7 pro.
I do find it is calibrated to green even in normal conditions
Reuben_skelz92 said:
Yup. I don't know why it's the 90hz cause never had this problem with my 7 pro.
I do find it is calibrated to green even in normal conditions
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Interesting, since I do see multiple reports about the same problem on the 7pro and 7t regarding green tint.
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Interesting, since I do see multiple reports about the same problem on the 7pro and 7t regarding green tint.
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I've seen 7t but when you look a lot them are not the same and they look more like hardware issues.
I've had the 7 pro since launch and have had the community app, XDA and Reddit which I look at regularly and I've never come across a thread about a green tint because of 90hz
At 100% brightness it looks fine, But if I dim it to 75% or lower, there's a little bit of green tint when you look at it on a white background.
Reuben_skelz92 said:
I've seen 7t but when you look a lot them are not the same and they look more like hardware issues.
I've had the 7 pro since launch and have had the community app, XDA and Reddit which I look at regularly and I've never come across a thread about a green tint because of 90hz
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Can you disable 90hz on the oneplus devices? If you can then maybe it just never occurred to them to try to disable 90hz and see if the issue still persists. It certainly didn't dawn on me until I saw someone else having the issue and they reported disabling 90hz solved the problem.
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Can you disable 90hz on the oneplus devices? If you can then maybe it just never occurred to them to try to disable 90hz and see if the issue still persists. It certainly didn't dawn on me until I saw someone else having the issue and they reported disabling 90hz solved the problem.
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Yeah you can disable it
Reuben_skelz92 said:
Yeah you can disable it
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Have any of the users tried disabling it to see if the issue goes away?
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Have any of the users tried disabling it to see if the issue goes away?
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Not sure. But like I said the issue looks different and more hardware when you see pictures, the sort that have plagued some batches of panels for years
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Have any of the users tried disabling it to see if the issue goes away?
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I tried disabling 90Hz. It does not correct the issue of the green hue. It is not as bad, but it is still there. What disabling 90Hz eliminates (mostly) is the red-shift that occasionally occurs.
It's doing my head in now. My screen has a green hue, really bad on Grey's, worse the dimmer it is. I can turn my screen off and on and instead of a green hue it's purple and super contrasty instead. Going to try a replacement but I'm not expecting it to be much difference as seeing same problems from other users.
The black crush in lower brightness seems to be worse than the op 7 pro too
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It's doing my head in now. My screen has a green hue, really bad on Grey's, worse the dimmer it is. I can turn my screen off and on and instead of a green hue it's purple and super contrasty instead. Going to try a replacement but I'm not expecting it to be much difference as seeing same problems from other users.
The black crush in lower brightness seems to be worse than the op 7 pro too
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Don't waste your time with a replacement i did and it's the same, Google have calibrated it like this deliberately do a search on Google. Will wait for the 5 unless they've sold even less pixels this year than last year in which case we may not a see a pixel again while that current development team is in place.
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Don't waste your time with a replacement i did and it's the same, Google have calibrated it like this deliberately do a search on Google. Will wait for the 5 unless they've sold even less pixels this year than last year in which case we may not a see a pixel again while that current development team is in place.
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Yeah they calibrated it to be warmer but not bugged Grey's etc lol
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Yeah they calibrated it to be warmer but not bugged Grey's etc lol
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I didn't even get the chance to try that i was so miffed with the yellow lol
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I tried disabling 90Hz. It does not correct the issue of the green hue. It is not as bad, but it is still there. What disabling 90Hz eliminates (mostly) is the red-shift that occasionally occurs.
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Did you also turn smooth display off as well? Since as of the Nov update it kicks into 90hz at lower brightness levels now.
Pixel 4xl has very warm display. Staying next to my note 9 looks bad. Basically no whites unless 90 plus brightness.
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Did you also turn smooth display off as well? Since as of the Nov update it kicks into 90hz at lower brightness levels now.
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Yes, I did. There would not be much point in doing half a test. I’m very thorough with stuff
Hi guys I have a pixel 4 whose display shows some green spots while displaying blacks. Do you think it's burn in or it rather be the green tint that everybody talks about? Thank you very much, I don't know if I have to do a replacement or not ?
ps. if you zoom in the right corner you can see these green spots
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Hi guys I have a pixel 4 whose display shows some green spots while displaying blacks. Do you think it's burn in or it rather be the green tint that everybody talks about? Thank you very much, I don't know if I have to do a replacement or not ?
ps. if you zoom in the right corner you can see these green spots
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Looks like you have some stuck pixels there in this case the green sub pixel is stuck. Could try to run a stuck pixel fixer and let it run for awhile. But honestly ,it looks like you have so many that a miracle would be required. I would just contact support and have them RMA.
Hi,
Recently I was scrolling through the zentalk forums and Flipkart reviews of the ROG 3 and came across several people complaining about black crush on the display as an issue.
Im worried about it being a widespread problem as I plan to order the phone soon and don't know whether this is due to ASUS choosing poor displays or due to some people recieving a defective phone.
I'd appreciate if those of you who have the phone could tell me about whether you notice any black crush and to what extent, also if you could please do the black crush test on youtube(by a channel called TestRaFx) and post your results for 0, 25, 50, 75 and 100% brightness that would be amazing.
(NOTE: For the test just check upto what square you can see/distinguish on each brightness level)
Ya it's there
Ya Heavy black crush while watching videos on YouTube. Especially for Dark scene it's easily visible. I have requested replacement as no refund option was available.
So much disappointed.
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Hi,
Recently I was scrolling through the zentalk forums and Flipkart reviews of the ROG 3 and came across several people complaining about black crush on the display as an issue.
Im worried about it being a widespread problem as I plan to order the phone soon and don't know whether this is due to ASUS choosing poor displays or due to some people recieving a defective phone.
I'd appreciate if those of you who have the phone could tell me about whether you notice any black crush and to what extent, also if you could please do the black crush test on youtube(by a channel called TestRaFx) and post your results for 0, 25, 50, 75 and 100% brightness that would be amazing.
(NOTE: For the test just check upto what square you can see/distinguish on each brightness level)
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Don't buy it
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Ya Heavy black crush while watching videos on YouTube. Especially for Dark scene it's easily visible. I have requested replacement as no refund option was available.
So much disappointed.
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Could you please do the black crush test at https://youtu.be/fv6T7aHsd54 and tell me your results for 0, 25, 50, 75 and 100% brightness?
How many squares can you see as grey at those brightness levels in a dark room?
Test
0% = 30
25%= 15
50%= 12
75%= 8
100%= 6
Hope this will help you.
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0% = 30
25%= 15
50%= 12
75%= 8
100%= 6
Hope this will help you.
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Thank you so much, my results are currently as follows(Samsung galaxy note 4):
0%= 30
25%= inconsistent based on slight brightness discrepancies, but atleast a 7
50%= 4
75%= 3
100%= 3
It seems like you must've gotten a faulty display, no way that could be a genuine result for most units, unless Asus has purposefully provided us with bad quality displays.
May I ask what refresh rate you did the test in? Since I know that many high refresh rate screens suffer from black crush more than 60Hz displays.
Also it's interesting that at minimum brightness we have the same black crush but it gets very different during the mid ranges and then you almost catch up again at 100%. I read in android authority that the cinematic colour profile on the ROG is the most colour accurate, you could try that and see if it helps.
Mine is
0% - 25
25% - 12
50% - 9
75% -7
100% - 5
Is it okay or faulty?
Is it that bad? At what brightness should we set it to avoid this issue? Im planning to buy the phone but i think most amoled phones have this even op8pro except nubia rm5g but i dont like nubia having stucked widevine l3 and fast battery draining phone
i've seen it meh!!....it's not bothering me at all (maybe this is my 1st Amoled screen phone)....all and all the phone is an absolute beast!!....worth the buy....jumping from Redmi note 4 prime to this beast of a phone i almost shed tears!!....what a bargain
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Is it that bad? At what brightness should we set it to avoid this issue? Im planning to buy the phone but i think most amoled phones have this even op8pro except nubia rm5g but i dont like nubia having stucked widevine l3 and fast battery draining phone
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buy it if you can find the cheapest one.....mine is cheap as heck....im pretty sure the price for the global released will be mind boggling...imagine paying for retards ass price for black crush display ouchh!!...then again it's your money you do you boo!!....im satisfied with my buy...hope it'll last for 5 years max....my redmi note 4 last for almost 4 1/2 years too bad it die this years....that's when i go ballz to the walls and buy ROG im quite satisfied
Actually my order is on way rt now and i just bought the base model 865+ 12/128 and cost me only around 625 usd, which i fell is very sweet deal for the specs. I just want to know if this is normal for this unit or not be bothered to get a replacement.
amankumar2508007 said:
Mine is
0% - 25
25% - 12
50% - 9
75% -7
100% - 5
Is it okay or faulty?
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Yours seems to be fine. A 5 for an amoled is average, it's not the best you can buy(that's usually Samsung) but it's good enough that you shouldn't notice too much. Also, if you want to make it better, try setting it at 60Hz and see if it makes a difference.
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Is it that bad? At what brightness should we set it to avoid this issue? Im planning to buy the phone but i think most amoled phones have this even op8pro except nubia rm5g but i dont like nubia having stucked widevine l3 and fast battery draining phone
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I think it's just the luck of the draw. You're more likely to get a non defective unit than a defective one, but again, it's really just based on luck.
As for whether it's that bad, I haven't gotten mine yet, but I don't think you'll notice it for most situations unless you're lying in bed with the lights turned off. This is assuming you get a normal unit.
As for the OnePlus, I was actually quite interested in that phone, but it has way more than just black crush. People were reporting holepunch banding and green tint on their units, so I didn't want to risk it.
Nubia is a decent choice but I don't trust their after sales service. Atleast Asus is very well known in the PC market and can be contacted with relative ease.
Sad thing is that if I didn't have the exynos versions of Samsung in my region, I probably would've gone for their s20+, but alas, they've forced my hand and I decided to take a leap of faith with the Rog instead. Here's to hoping our units are good quality.
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i've seen it meh!!....it's not bothering me at all (maybe this is my 1st Amoled screen phone)....all and all the phone is an absolute beast!!....worth the buy....jumping from Redmi note 4 prime to this beast of a phone i almost shed tears!!....what a bargain
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buy it if you can find the cheapest one.....mine is cheap as heck....im pretty sure the price for the global released will be mind boggling...imagine paying for retards ass price for black crush display ouchh!!...then again it's your money you do you boo!!....im satisfied with my buy...hope it'll last for 5 years max....my redmi note 4 last for almost 4 1/2 years too bad it die this years....that's when i go ballz to the walls and buy ROG im quite satisfied
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Would you mind doing the test at https://youtu.be/fv6T7aHsd54 for me?
Just note down the lowest number at which you can distinguish a grey box from a black one at 0,25, 50, 75 and 100% brightness.
Yeah, it sucks
When I watch dark scene in Netflix, dark part seems like gray or dark green like that.
And when I turn the brightness to 0%, the display turns really strange. Only in Netflix, not other apps. But it's pretty serious problem I think
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When I watch dark scene in Netflix, dark part seems like gray or dark green like that.
And when I turn the brightness to 0%, the display turns really strange. Only in Netflix, not other apps. But it's pretty serious problem I think
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Asus actually spoke about the Netflix problem in their forums. Basically, don't use the app's inbuilt brightness slider because for some reason it changes gamma instead of brightness, so rather use the system slider from the toggle menu to change brightness.
If it's only there in Netflix then you're probably not experiencing any black crush per se, it's just that Netflix works weird on the ROG.
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When I watch dark scene in Netflix, dark part seems like gray or dark green like that.
And when I turn the brightness to 0%, the display turns really strange. Only in Netflix, not other apps. But it's pretty serious problem I think
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This happens to me on instagram chats.. sometimes it's greenish and sometimes it's redish color. Only in low brightness
Got my phone today, ya black crush confirmed
Msi6thman said:
Got my phone today, ya black crush confirmed
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Can you do the test and post the results please?
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Can you do the test and post the results please?
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Which test? I mean this is not just netflix tried other streaming app, also youtube, perfect example is to watch haunting of hill house trailer or the show it self. Display was so bad on these scenes.
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Which test? I mean this is not just netflix tried other streaming app, also youtube, perfect example is to watch haunting of hill house trailer or the show it self. Display was so bad on these scenes.
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The test at https://youtu.be/fv6T7aHsd54
All you need to do is go to a dark room, and check upto which box you can distinguish grey from black.
Please test it at 0, 25, 50, 75 and 100% brightness, and check on both 144hz as well as 60hz.
Ok guys it took me hours finding a fix mixing colors etc but i have found a temporary solution for this
1. Download Screen Balance from Playstore(developed by QuickDoc)
2. Turn it On
3. Im on free version of the app so i am only able to try what is available
Follow settings below
Flouroscent
Strenght 90
Contrast 100
Brightness 0
Greatly Helps, thank me later lmao
So basically i think this can be fixed by a software update but need an expert calibration
Anyone else think the colours are a bit "off"? Everything seems a bit beige.
Anyone else think the colours are a bit "off"?
Everything seems a bit beige on my Pixel 5 compared to my Pixel 3. Whites are not brilliant white.
It's like the night light feature is on constantly at a very low level - anyone else finding this?
I thought this too when receiving the phone but not sure it's an issue. I quickly got used to that and I usethe "natural" color profile. I think it was just that my previous phone (huawei) was just a bit too saturated and my eyes quickly got used to it. But yeah white seemed a bit off for me the first time, especially at low brightness level.
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Anyone else think the colours are a bit "off"?
Everything seems a bit beige on my Pixel 5 compared to my Pixel 3. Whites are not brilliant white.
It's like the night light feature is on constantly at a very low level - anyone else finding this?
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My colours are well washed out on mine got it on boosted makes no different
Yeah on my pixel 3 the natural, boosted and adaptive all seemed pretty different - on the pixel 5 I struggle to see the difference. Adaptive looks best though.
Dude! Thanks!! I really love the P5 but the colours... My whole screen looks dusty and brownish.
The contrast of the P3 is so superior I almost want to change back to the P3 again.
Does anyone have a device with a nice contrasty display?
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Yeah on my pixel 3 the natural, boosted and adaptive all seemed pretty different - on the pixel 5 I struggle to see the difference. Adaptive looks best though.
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Same with me: I come from a Pixel 2 XL which I configured for saturated mode. Obviously, it had ridiculously exaggerated colors. I too noticed the brownish touch but it look quite pleasing and natural. Although switching color modes does not make much if a difference. But yes, adaptive looks most punchy, therefore I stick with it.
Also, is there are way to turn the night light feature off permanently? I thought there was a was to do this on the pixel 3. On the pixel 5 I only see the option to turn it "off until sunset"
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Also, is there are way to turn the night light feature off permanently?
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options, nightlight, no shedule
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options, nightlight, no shedule
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Cheers. Missed that
Options --> Display --> Nightlight --> no schedule.
It's turned off for me.
But to be honest it feels as if it is still on...
I really begin to hate the display, as I thought the times of ****ty yellowish/beigeish displays is over!
And because of the colortone it even seems to be less contrasty that my P3....
I'm gonna try to do some pictures when there's some spare time in my life.
It feels like it's still on a tiny bit doesn't it. Hopefully it was a design decision by Google to make the screen more "natural" and it's not a limitation of the panel. Then they can fix it with an update.
That's true!
But the question is: is google aware of this??
It seems that just a very few people report this.
And where do I report this directly to google?
ah nice to read that. compared to my s20 ultra the screen looks incredibly awful....
I do not know what happened: Yesterday the brownish tint was clearly visible but it seems gone today. Was it a reboot? Was it the downgrade from Play Services Beta to the latest stable? I do not now. Seems to be a software issue because it is (temporarily?) gone. My best guess would be a non-working color management calibration. And if so: Software can be fixed!
I really wish you're right!
Are you sure you're not just getting used to it?
A reboot hasn't changed anything for me and I also never used the Google service beta (which I'm thinking about joining now )
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ah nice to read that. compared to my s20 ultra the screen looks incredibly awful....
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Define awful?
What's to say the S20 Ultra isn't the one that's bad? Samsung always oversaturate, even in their natural profile.