Hi, I have my newly purchased xz1 compact.
I see that there are many risks and problems when unlocking the bootloader.
I appreciate if someone gives me an updated opinion of whether it is useful to unlock bootloader today?
thanks in advance
It's a very personal question and difficult to get an answer from strangers. It all depends on what you want to do with the phone? Have you rooted a phone before? If no, then this probably isn't a good place to start.
The road to successfully rooting is long and complicated
But this thread is probably the best place to start.
Personally I think it's more trouble that its worth.
Thanks for your answer. I read your post in another thread. and hence my question. I have already rooted one of them the z1 compact before. but there was not the degree of diffi xzcu xzlty that I find. here. Could you give me a brief account of the real benefits of rooting in xz1 compact today.
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Hi, I have my newly purchased xz1 compact.
I see that there are many risks and problems when unlocking the bootloader.
I appreciate if someone gives me an updated opinion of whether it is useful to unlock bootloader today?
thanks in advance
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Everyone has their own reason for rooting. If you dont have a reason to root. Then don't. I used to root in the past to remove bloatware, because I used to buy Japanese sony's which came with tons of it. Other people rooted for GPS hacking with pokemon go. Some wanted to theme their devices, make the apps and menu's into dark theme, etc. Other's wanted to remove facebook or google services from the phone for privacy.
I can say though - in December 2019 - you can root your phone, and keep your google pay, and camera functionality. So the downside of root, for me, are totally gone.
@Dean F
thanks for your answer. clearer now. a December 2019 root in xz1 compact is less dangerous than in 2017. I will be well informed by the rooting process. which is badly complicated than in other brands. And finally I will. reason install roms of Android Q. thanks again
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Dear devs and community,
Now that the xperia z has been out for a while, you might all be aware that there is the famous distinction between xperia z's with
(a) the non-unlockable bootloader
(b) the unlockable bootloader
Now the advantages on the latter one are that you could install custom firmware and benefit from the work of the xda community. To date I am not aware that there is any method to unlock the non-unlockable bootloader in any manner. I would really like to know if we could really do something for that portion of z users that would like to benefit from their phones completely.
Unlocking the bootloader does void the warranty but to this day and age, it's like as if phones are leased to the user and it is ridiculous that s/he does not own the phone completely. So please do not post anything like "it cannot be done etc etc".
What we require is some pointers in order to start from somewhere in the hope of removing this plague completely off the xperia's with locked bootloader. Hopefully this would be a thread that provides insight to other z models on how to resolve this issue.
The bloatware on the phones is incredible! A quick look through adb shell will instantly tell you what I mean. The only way of being safe is not to have a data / wifi connection on the phone. That is why custom firmware is a far better choice than official firmware.
I hope that something could be done. Thank you in advance.
Al
Here's some threads that might provide you with a better insight into the problem:
[DEV] Reloading kernel without rebooting - http://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-u/general/dev-reloading-kernel-rebooting-t2053466
[DEV][LB]ramdiskHijack - CM for locked bootloaders? - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2653896
[Bounty]Funding an xperia T/TL bootloader unlock - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2287897
[DEV] Kexec for locked bootloaders - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2648430
Other potentially helpful threads:
[dev][kernel][kexec] - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2495152
[PATCH][TX][DEV]kexec hardboot port - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2747215
None of them have succeded fully at loading a custom kernel on a non-unlockable device, or unlocking the device's bootloader.
An alternative would be hijacking ramdisk and loading a non-stock-based ROM on a stock kernel, as they did on the Xperia SP:
XperiaSP Locked Bootloader (LBL) Cyanogenmod 11.0 - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2735975
I've tried porting the solution they used on the Xperia SP, but I have nowhere near the amount of knowledge to get something like that working. Though, if some experienced dev would look into this solutions, maybe we would have some results
Even if Z's bootloader is unlockable, i think you can still flash custom roms with it. there are custom roms which support locked bootloaders, but of course they use stock kernel. hehe
Thing is we have to look further. There must be a solution. Nothing is impossible to this community. Thing is even as has been posted above. Only stock kernel can be flashed. Rooting is cumbersome as well which is mandatory on such a phone. At least as of the kitkat update u got to play about a lot to root it. Wondering why there was no rooting exploit lile cfroot for z out yet.
Rooting the z is simple, even on kk with locked boot loader - see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783863
Making permanently locked bootloader unlockable is a different story. The devs with the know how would have little incentive to pursue such a task. They would have bought z's with an unlockable bootloader, and unlocked it almost immediately.
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Rooting the z is simple, even on kk with locked boot loader - see here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2783863
Making permanently locked bootloader unlockable is a different story. The devs with the know how would have little incentive to pursue such a task. They would have bought z's with an unlockable bootloader, and unlocked it almost immediately.
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True. I was hoping that the Xperia T bounty thread (I mentioned it above) would be of some motivation to devs, and help us fix the problem. But it seems that even 400$ wasn't a big enough motivation (or it's just impossible to do)
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True. I was hoping that the Xperia T bounty thread (I mentioned it above) would be of some motivation to devs, and help us fix the problem. But it seems that even 400$ wasn't a big enough motivation (or it's just impossible to do)
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Nothing is impossible for this community. There are many people out there who could not buy an unlockable z and hopefully we could make such hardware more usable.
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Nothing is impossible for this community. There are many people out there who could not buy an unlockable z and hopefully we could make such hardware more usable.
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NOTHING is 100% IMPOSSIBLE anywhere. The creator of the universe COULD be a flying spaghetti monster, and Santa Claus MIGHT be real. LOL.
But some things are just VERY improbable.
Never mind sacharine images of "community". What we have is LOTS of people who want things but can't do them themselves, and relatively few people who can actually do those things.
A company developed an unlock for One M8 and NOBODY else can figure it out. They bricked FIVE M8's getting it working. They charge $20 and get LOTS of grief from people whining that it should be cheaper, or free.
BL locks these days are often VERY hard to crack. Each time crackers attacked in the last few years, the OEMs got smarter and put in more safeguards. Gone are the days when ANYTHING could be unlocked.
In the grand scheme of things, $400 is almost nothing to a high caliber cracker, and pledges are often MUCH bigger than real life payouts. A good SW engineer can make $100k per year in the first world, $400 might pay for 4 hours, once all sorts of common sense deductions are made.
I made SURE to buy my Z, Z1 and Z2 tab from non-carrier sources that leave BL unlockable. Others should do the same, or at least learn for next phone.
Remember the time...!
Guys,
I owned a Xperia x8 ho, this old phone has its glory, rip x8...
I tought there was an unnoficial way to unlock it's BL, by the Windows console,
Why not look in there and see if something can be done for the Z?
With the x8 we only had to verify the volttage/date (correct me if I'm wrong)
to see if the exploit was possible, why not try to do the same on the Z?
X10 Bypass > X8 Idea > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1018652
X8 Bypass Idea > http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1042018
General Research on the x8 forum > http://forum.xda-developers.com/search.php?searchid=304696191
I can't find back the original thread but I can assure you that my X8 is UB unfortunately it dates:S
I think our best bet is to try and get CM (or AOSP/PA) working on a locked bootloader, using the ramdisk hijack method. It's been done before on the Xperia SP (and open-sourced), so I think it should be possible for the Xperia Z too (just my personal opinion, I'm in no way sure that that would actually work but considering the similarities of Sony products, it might be highly possible).
I'm just too unexperienced to do it myself atm, but I'll still try when I find the time.
This should be of interest.
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Any news on this? Any dev willing to give this a shot?
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Hi, looking to get the Z3C soon with one concern before I do. What is the general feeling for how long Sony take to release any updates to Android. Realise difficult to say with any certainty but are we talking quick, average, slow, painfully slow??
Thanks.
Paul
Sony is doing a good job. They're not as fast as Motorola with their Moto series or Google play edition devices but the 4.4 update rolled out maybe 0.5-2month after the release. It's fast enough and they support them long enough. Of course newer phones get the updates first...
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Planned for February according to rumours.
Quite a big update, but expect Z3/Z3C to be first in line for it
Will bring redesign, L feautres, new camera features etc
http://www.androidorigin.com/sony-xperia-z3-compact-z2-tablet-android-l-update-leak/#ixzz3EVWOck78
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Hi, looking to get the Z3C soon with one concern before I do. What is the general feeling for how long Sony take to release any updates to Android. Realise difficult to say with any certainty but are we talking quick, average, slow, painfully slow??
Thanks.
Paul
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I can say that Sony is easily among the top 3 fastest companies when it comes to updates. My 'old' Xperia Z received Android 4.4, so really can't complain. I don't even have my doubts about Android L. Even if Sony may not bring an official update out, we are still @ XDA
Wooki have you moved from mi2 as well?! I'm typing this on my mi2 just deciding whether to keep my z3c or not.
I absolutely have to have root (xposed) so may send my z3 back just in case we can't get root....
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Wooki have you moved from mi2 as well?! I'm typing this on my mi2 just deciding whether to keep my z3c or not.
I absolutely have to have root (xposed) so may send my z3 back just in case we can't get root....
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That's seriously the most RIDICULOUS thing I've ever read.
Why in the world do you think that we won't get root.
The phone just been out for 2/3 days, there is nothing to say about root at all, but I'd say that there is a 99.99% chance that we'll get root.
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Wooki have you moved from mi2 as well?! I'm typing this on my mi2 just deciding whether to keep my z3c or not.
I absolutely have to have root (xposed) so may send my z3 back just in case we can't get root....
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My z3c will arrive next week. I'm comparing both devices then and decide if I upgrade or stay with my mi2.
And speaking of root: only because Xiaomi let's you root your phone with one tap (dev version) they still suck at releasing sources. Sony is by far better there and root support for unlocked boot loaders arrived at last for my Z Ultra very quickly!
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For unlocked bootloaders it is trivial. Are people still concerned about this? Its a few minute job if you know what you are doing. If you don't then I'm sure someone will write up a guide.
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That's seriously the most RIDICULOUS thing I've ever read.
Why in the world do you think that we won't get root.
The phone just been out for 2/3 days, there is nothing to say about root at all, but I'd say that there is a 99.99% chance that we'll get root.
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Wow - patronising much?
I was kind of joking - but if it is the most, ahem get ready, caps lock on - RIDICULOUS thing ever - you truly are a far wiser person (or sheltered) than I.
I'll bow to your ability to use caps lock tho, well done.
My original GS5 had a broken gyroscope and I had it replaced a few weeks ago. I didn't expect or realize that Asurian, the company that does At&t's insurance, would send me one running Lollipop, still in original packaging no less. After trying and failing to downgrade to 4.4.2 for hours, I found out that it's not possible.
So, with no exploits to work with, a locked and encrypted bootloader, and some Xposed Modules no longer working from the looks of some forum posts, is GS5 rooting officially dead? Is there some other option that hasn't been considered to acquire root? Since I'm out of warranty, I don't care about tripping KNOX.
Is it possible to completely remove all the software on the phone and replace it with rooted software? I know it may sound idiotic, but I'm no developer, just a guy who likes tinkering with tech, so go easy on me please. I only ask this because I was thinking of getting some outside help to possibly decrypt the bootloader. I've read on other forums that trying to decrypt a phone bootloader is a worthless endeavour but it didn't stop me from looking. As it turns out, even with an extensive Google search, there is no explaination of the subject of bootloader decryption, no software to use, no experts in the field explaining their experience or anything at all helpful.
I'm very much pissed that my first dive into the Android (customizable) experience with the GS5 was first stilted by At&t and now killed. I have not seen any updates indicating any progress on rooting and I'm hoping it's only because I missed it. Considering the time elapsed and the bounty for decrypting the software never being claimed, shall I lose hope and wait out this crappy device until I can buy a new one? Or, is root still of some concern?
Hey, I'm sorry to hear about your loss of root. As far as I know it's dead for now unless someone comes up with something. Not sure if anyone has tried flashing a boot loader from another carrier or not but, that might work. Only thing is, if it doesn't you lost your phone.
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Yeah, that will brick the phone. Can't flash bootloaders from other carriers to a locked bootloader.
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Yeah, that will brick the phone. Can't flash bootloaders from other carriers to a locked bootloader.
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Good to know.
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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Or just not buy phones from carriers.
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If I could find a SM-G800M at a decent price, I would! It's the only mini model with all four of the same LTE and LTE-A bands that AT&T operates.
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Or just not buy phones from carriers.
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I will be following that advice in the future!
Furious over the forced 5.0 FOTA upgrade with ATT's bootloader and no way to flash 4.4.2. or a custom rom...
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Guess we may need to raise another $18,000 for developing a root. Is there no other geobot out there talented enough?
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I'll donate large sums to this cause just on principle.
ATT hasn't completely locked down their Galaxy Notes (it can be flashed back to their 4.4.2 stock rom from 5.0.1)... Just primarily their S5...
Maybe a dev can look into this for a possible root...
http://www.networkworld.com/article...-a-simple-mms-message-or-multimedia-file.html
There is a part of the article that mentions root access is possible, now if it could be a permanent root is the real question.
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Maybe a dev can look into this for a possible root...
http://www.networkworld.com/article...-a-simple-mms-message-or-multimedia-file.html
There is a part of the article that mentions root access is possible, now if it could be a permanent root is the real question.
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I posed the same question, whether the devs thought stagefright could be used to facilitate rooting the ATT Note 4 and @graydiggy was awesome at explaining the exploit may only work on phones without write protection (the Nexus line).
Wonder if Joshua Drake (who discovered the flaw) would be willing to assist xdaers with this ATT S5 root issue should a proper bounty be offered. Seems Google paid him only about $1500 for reporting the problem and for the patches he created and sent (to Google)...
Currently, @Kingxteam gets mad respect for developing a tool to root otherwise unrootable phones. They have yet to add ATT's galaxy S5 (SM-900A) to their list of supported phones but I suspect they're working on it. Maybe PM them?
Hope is good thing... maybe the best of things.
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...Currently, @Kingxteam gets mad respect for developing a tool to root otherwise unrootable phones. They have yet to add ATT's galaxy S5 (SM-900A) to their list of supported phones but I suspect they're working on it. ...
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Go Kingxteam !!! All glory and honor and praise to you all -- especially if you can "tame this wild horse" with a root. :victory:
I'm new to all this rooting and don't understand any of the language yet but would like to start rooting. Unfortunately the phone I have seems to be unrootable. Anyone know if I can root my memo pad 7 on AT&T don't know model number but I do know it's running kk4.4
Just got this phone a week ago and returning/exchanging isn't an option for me. I really hope there are still some ambitious devs out there looking for a solution to rooting the lollipop OC4 version, although I fear the majority have moved on. :crying:
Hey there.
I'm new to the Xperia scene, before I had various Samsung devices since the S1.
This means I'm pretty spoiled. The first thing I usually did on my S devices was rooting and installing CyanogenmodLineageOS, and it always worked flawlessly.
Now coming to the Xperia devices, what will the problems be that I'll face?
From what I've seen in the guides section, unlocking, rooting and TWRP is possible and already available, but there are some caveats with unlocking (loosing some proprietary features).
Second, what are the chances of getting LOS for this device?
im also new here and this finally looks like my kind of smartphone. Its small, premium and has pretty damn good features including a headphone jack! Currently on a OnePlus 5 and its.... okay? They really cheaped out on lots of things to make the stupid camera better which it still kinda sucks. Especially the glass on the front.... ive got scratches galore and it sits in my left pocket ALONE CONSTANTLY. the fact that it has any scratches is bullsh**.
Enough ranting, I'd love for this thread to get more attention! I just really want to know what this thing will cost. hopefully under 500.... or even less than that. Its a tiny phone cmon price tag.... wondering how this battery will do and what kind of dev support it will be getting! definitely will check up whenever this thing comes out
Where do you see the root is available? There is only a bounty thread to someone find a rooting method. And I think due to Android 8 and it's new features it will be not easy.
So for now accept the Sony stock ROM, Sony makes pretty clean ROMs so it should be a joy for you to use something new
About loosing some functionality (like Sony DRMem photo processing, Track ID license etc.), on previous Xperias you loose these functions only when you're unlocking the bootloader. If there is a rooting method with locked bootloader then you loose nothing (for example on Z3 Compact).
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Where do you see the root is available? There is only a bounty thread to someone find a rooting method. And I think due to Android 8 and it's new features it will be not easy.
So for now accept the Sony stock ROM, Sony makes pretty clean ROMs so it should be a joy for you to use something new
About loosing some functionality (like Sony DRMem photo processing, Track ID license etc.), on previous Xperias you loose these functions only when you're unlocking the bootloader. If there is a rooting method with locked bootloader then you loose nothing (for example on Z3 Compact).
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With Root, I was referring to the "All Things XPERIA" thread, and to unlocking the bootloader.
Should be no problem to achieve root like that, however then there's the DRM-stuff...
The ROM itself is fine, but I tend to rely on some things like Titanium Backup and Tasker.
Guess the Xperia line isn't the best choice for me after all.
Shame cause I already preordered ;D
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With Root, I was referring to the "All Things XPERIA" thread, and to unlocking the bootloader.
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Bare in mind that is a general reference for previous devices and until XPERIA devs get devices with Oreo then it's going to be a waiting game.
Hey there,
I've been watching this forum for a while, but I still can't figure out why this device does not get more attention from ROM developers. AFAIK, there are only like one or two semi-active non-stable ROMs for this device. One of my previous phones was a Sony Z1 Compact, which was released almost 5 years ago, and there still is more activity in the Z1 ROM forum than here. Additionally, this device shipped with Oreo and therefore should support Project Treble, which should (theoretically) make it easier to create Custom ROMS. I'm not here to criticize, just genuinely curious, because I know for a fact that there are quite a few active developers who worked their butt off to make it able to backup the DRM keys on this device (thanks a lot btw!).
The amount of persons buying compact cellphone has reduced drastically over the years.
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On the other hand, I don't feel a need for custom ROMs at all. Manually debloating the stock Sony ROM makes for a satisfactory, bug-free experience.
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On the other hand, I don't feel a need for custom ROMs at all. Manually debloating the stock Sony ROM makes for a satisfactory, bug-free experience.
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This.
Of course there are many roms for old devices, but keep in mind this aren't Lollipop days anymore.
To me, starting from 7 Nougat, Android is a complete auto sufficient OS
I agree that now Android has what a standard user needs. However, a custom ROM is still necessary if one wants to get rid of Google Apps and take full control of the system and the phone.
So I hope at least Lineage OS will be developed for our xz1c.
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Here I am still waiting for a CarbonROM for XZ1 Compact.
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Here I am still waiting for a CarbonROM for XZ1 Compact.
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You mean like this one?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz1-compact/development/8-1-x-carbonrom-cr-6-1-t3817402
Sure, it's unofficial and no longer updated,but it's still a build...
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You mean like this one?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/xperia-xz1-compact/development/8-1-x-carbonrom-cr-6-1-t3817402
Sure, it's unofficial and no longer updated,but it's still a build...
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Yeah, I saw this one, but as you have said it is: 1. unofficial. 2. No longer updated. Look like a strong points not to even try it, considering your phone being a daily driver, not just a test subject.
It's too soon for a smartphone that has only one year and some months in the market, and the price still around 300euros.
Wait some time and i'll be sure that some people start to make more noise about this model. Or another option, to start to learn Java or other tech to help the community!!
Check for example the Z5 compact (released on October 2015), has lot of different roms and still is a good deal (i have it running with LineageOS 14.1 till past Xmas)
Never Sony again for me. The Acro S had great support though. The good old days with proper Xposed. If I only could afford the S10. Got a S5 laying around, but I love the fingerprint scanner on this phone, so no going back to the S5.