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Oneplus 5 fixed the main issues I had with the OP3T.

WiFi performance was mediocre on the OP3T. Due to the lack of MIMO, the antenna design its predecessor had led it to poor WiFi connectivity (at least when comparing it with other flagships.)
OP5 now actually pulls the same data speeds over my WiFi network as my brother's Galaxy S8. So no corners were cut this time around.
As for LTE connectivity, I noticed the OnePlus 3T had a noticeably worse connection strength than other devices....but as much as -10dBm. This was pretty bad by flagship standards. This device now can grab/hold onto signals much better and reaches better dBm values for the signals it does have (on par with the S8 in strong signal areas, haven't tested edge of coverage.)
That and the camera was just average on the OP3T. I believe the camera on the OP5, while not as good as the S8, is great and is definitely one of the better smartphone cameras on the market (I'm by no means a professional photographer, but it's definitely a good camera imo.)
Just wanted to share my findings. My only gripe with this device so far is lack of cases, and I don't really like the camera lens position, but it's something I can get used to.

Poor 3g/4g reception

I've noticed that my Nokia 8 always loosing the bayle with pretty much any phone on the market.
Once I'm in poor signal reception areas I'm not getting connected to network while any other phone is getting enough good reception to get online.
Almost the same problem with WiFi.
Lenovo tablet, xiaomi Redmi note 4, even ancient LG g pad 8.3 will have fully working WiFi connection while Nokia 8 is dropping it all the time.
Does anyone else noticed that?

Not at all, having better Connection than Colleagues with iPhone X and S8+ etc... (same carrier ofc)

It's normal. The Nokia 8 lacks antenna. The snapdragon modem can usually do 4 of them, but Nokia cheaped out and has 2. Thats also why speed on wifi is lower as there's no mimo like on higher end devices. The real problem is that stuff like this isn't on a specsheet while it matters a lot. The antenna configuration is actually the same as on the iphonex which is also horrible when it comes to connection, but because it has more glass, there's less metal absorbing the signal like on the Nokia 8. Nokia 8 antenna placement means you block it very easily with your hands as well. It's a really bad design. Those that state otherwise... well they haven't opened up their phones to find out for themselves.
You can try this yourself, connection is much better in landscape if you hold the device with the volume buttons on the bottom instead of volume buttons on top.
Some tests have been done here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nokia-8-Smartphone-Review.259132.0.html
There are a few other... problems with the Nokia 8 that aren't on the spec sheet either. It's unfortunate. It makes me regret the purchase somewhat. It's also cheating a little bit like apple does, only focusing on the quality of items that are directly on a spec sheet and cheaping out on the rest.
You'll notice the microphones for calls/speaker are surprisingly terrible as well.

Doubts of upgrading my S7 to a S20FE 5G

First of all, i'm from Spain, so the topic about "4/5G coverage" (Not sure if "coverage" is the word) below will be an important one, but i have more than that
2nd, i'm an owner of an S7 4G NO EDGE with Exynos, and i was thinking of upgrading my phone to a newer one (Not sure yet, specially with the doubts) and i'm undecided between an S20FE 5G (Because in Europe this specific model has Snapdragon while the others, even non FE, are all Exynos) or something else..
My uses are the usual Watsapp, FB, Twitter, Youtube, but also gaming here and there, along taking photos or making videos from time to time (I prefer it 1080p60FPS for better "realism"/motion feeling..Real life Frames Per Sec) .
Here's my questions:
1. My S7 says that it has a 12MP back camera while the front/selfie one has 5MP, however i've seen that the S20FE 5G has "2 12MP cameras and 1 8?MP" back camera while the front one has a brutal of 32MB. Isn't the back camera a bit of a downgrade or "still the same camera" then?..Also i've heard that the selfie camera is the worst thing of it , not sure if it was focus related (Ya know, poke yourself in the screen and the rest goes **** but even worse with this model) or simply in general (Not sure if just both cameras or just the selfie one)
Heard stuff about some "Gcam" plugin or whatever but not sure if it totally helps with both cameras at all (Photo AND video senses)
2. (The hard doubt) : I've read that the S20FE 5G might have coverage issues with the 4/5G bands. Not sure if it's also meant to affect the non 4/5G band like calling people normally (No use of 4/5G, just the provider's SIM card). Heard that the 5G model , the one with Snapdragon, would help with the situation, yet i don't know if these issues are mainly related with Snapdragon/Exynos or the provider's coverage in places, as i've read that some people gets less coverage with the FE 5G than their previous S8-9 or even a Xiaomi phone or "P50" or something (Hardware issue?)
3. I've heard that both cameras have a function that, while recording, you can change between back and front cameras. Is this avaliable for any kind of video mode, including 1080p60FPs and even 4K60FPS?
4. For being a newer phone and being a beast, i've read in versus.com that the screen's dpi and resolution is lower. Is that noticeable?. Is the screen more "Whiter" than my S7 (wich's white on white screens but perhaps it has a "vanilla yellow" touch on it?)
5. Being a Snapdragon i've heard that the screen has ghosting issues or unregistered pokings/swipings, but with the latest updates it seems to have it fixed at all or partially. Does the EU region already have this patch avaliable to download? (One that weights 263MB).. And even for non EU region, do you people with the FE 5G have this problem fixed up?
6.Between my S7 and FE, what'd be the speed/performance differences? (Games' FPS, loading times in games and apps, etc).
7. From 0% to 100%, how much time it'd take for the phone to charge?. Heard it has a 15W adapter but it could go up to 25W even though you must go through the counter again for it's 25" charger's sold separately...
8. I've seen that since the S20 series that they've removed the helpeful multicoloured LED light from the phone's front that tells you if you had a notification about your apps (Green for Watsapp, Blue for FB, etc) and now it's all set in one single coloured notification around the phone (or however you set it). Isn't there a way to recover that function back one way or another?
9. Finger unlocking. Can you unlock the phone with the thumb being placed sideways ?.. Can it be applied to other fingers (from both hands)?
10. I know this might kinda break it, but after all these questions, would the FE5G still be a recommended phone for my needs?.. Specially since it's the last one that allows a MicroSD while the S21 doesn't has one or has made things worse in some other aspects. Since i've heard that Snapdragon has a better performance/efficiency and better battery control up to around a 25% (Not sure if battery or performance to) along the 4/5G coverage i was looking for the FE5G mainly, but if there's other alternatives i'd like to know
Sorry for this wall of text and thanks in advance!

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First of all, i'm from Spain, so the topic about "4/5G coverage" (Not sure if "coverage" is the word) below will be an important one, but i have more than that
2nd, i'm an owner of an S7 4G NO EDGE with Exynos, and i was thinking of upgrading my phone to a newer one (Not sure yet, specially with the doubts) and i'm undecided between an S20FE 5G (Because in Europe this specific model has Snapdragon while the others, even non FE, are all Exynos) or something else..
My uses are the usual Watsapp, FB, Twitter, Youtube, but also gaming here and there, along taking photos or making videos from time to time (I prefer it 1080p60FPS for better "realism"/motion feeling..Real life Frames Per Sec) .
Here's my questions:
1. My S7 says that it has a 12MP back camera while the front/selfie one has 5MP, however i've seen that the S20FE 5G has "2 12MP cameras and 1 8?MP" back camera while the front one has a brutal of 32MB. Isn't the back camera a bit of a downgrade or "still the same camera" then?..Also i've heard that the selfie camera is the worst thing of it , not sure if it was focus related (Ya know, poke yourself in the screen and the rest goes **** but even worse with this model) or simply in general (Not sure if just both cameras or just the selfie one)
Heard stuff about some "Gcam" plugin or whatever but not sure if it totally helps with both cameras at all (Photo AND video senses)
2. (The hard doubt) : I've read that the S20FE 5G might have coverage issues with the 4/5G bands. Not sure if it's also meant to affect the non 4/5G band like calling people normally (No use of 4/5G, just the provider's SIM card). Heard that the 5G model , the one with Snapdragon, would help with the situation, yet i don't know if these issues are mainly related with Snapdragon/Exynos or the provider's coverage in places, as i've read that some people gets less coverage with the FE 5G than their previous S8-9 or even a Xiaomi phone or "P50" or something (Hardware issue?)
3. I've heard that both cameras have a function that, while recording, you can change between back and front cameras. Is this avaliable for any kind of video mode, including 1080p60FPs and even 4K60FPS?
4. For being a newer phone and being a beast, i've read in versus.com that the screen's dpi and resolution is lower. Is that noticeable?. Is the screen more "Whiter" than my S7 (wich's white on white screens but perhaps it has a "vanilla yellow" touch on it?)
5. Being a Snapdragon i've heard that the screen has ghosting issues or unregistered pokings/swipings, but with the latest updates it seems to have it fixed at all or partially. Does the EU region already have this patch avaliable to download? (One that weights 263MB).. And even for non EU region, do you people with the FE 5G have this problem fixed up?
6.Between my S7 and FE, what'd be the speed/performance differences? (Games' FPS, loading times in games and apps, etc).
7. From 0% to 100%, how much time it'd take for the phone to charge?. Heard it has a 15W adapter but it could go up to 25W even though you must go through the counter again for it's 25" charger's sold separately...
8. I've seen that since the S20 series that they've removed the helpeful multicoloured LED light from the phone's front that tells you if you had a notification about your apps (Green for Watsapp, Blue for FB, etc) and now it's all set in one single coloured notification around the phone (or however you set it). Isn't there a way to recover that function back one way or another?
9. Finger unlocking. Can you unlock the phone with the thumb being placed sideways ?.. Can it be applied to other fingers (from both hands)?
10. I know this might kinda break it, but after all these questions, would the FE5G still be a recommended phone for my needs?.. Specially since it's the last one that allows a MicroSD while the S21 doesn't has one or has made things worse in some other aspects. Since i've heard that Snapdragon has a better performance/efficiency and better battery control up to around a 25% (Not sure if battery or performance to) along the 4/5G coverage i was looking for the FE5G mainly, but if there's other alternatives i'd like to know
Sorry for this wall of text and thanks in advance!
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With all due respect, you're waaaay overthinking this. You would be correct in debating upgrading year-over-year as, in my experience, the advancements in processors, power efficiency, cameras, etc., are grossly exaggerated by manufacturers, marketing teams, and the tech media (and we, like suckers, eat it up every time). That said, your S7 is SIX generations old now, and Samsung didn't even really solve it's software lagging issues until the S9 series. These forums (and others like them) are an incredibly valuable and useful resource for sharing information and opinions, but far too many otherwise reasonable people go down rabbit holes parsing every little detail, benchmark score, issue, etc. Don't sweat every detail - just go ahead and get the S20 FE 5G - you'll be blown away by the difference with your current phone.

if you're really worried buy the phone from a seller that has a no fuss returns policy. that way if you aren't happy you can just return it.
check out the ''reviews'' forum for the phone here and on YouTube look at videos with titles like one month later where the review is based on having lived with the phone.
there are a 1 or 2 software bugs here and there but nothing that makes me unhappy, angry or regretful. make sure to get the 5G

I've had many of both of these phones, the S7, S7 Edge and many S20 FEs and I can assure that if you upgrade you won't regret it. The S7 is ssooo slow compared to the S20 FE with an octa core processor. Takes much better pictures. Trust me I like the S7 I have like 6 of them but the S20 FE is so much better. You can even get a good one for around $300 used.

Just look at all those 5G channels. Hits 300+mbps and I'm not even on any special plan but will be tomorrow. Granted the channels provided depend on your carrier but a lot of 5G phones don't have a ton of channels like this. At least the ones I've seen don't I'm sure they're out there. They'll always be someone saying something bad about a phone. There's always going to be a few faulty phones here and there but Samsung takes them back.

Question How Valuable is 5G?

It's been around 2 years since 5G was made available on flagship and some mid-level devices. Curious if faster downloads and streaming is genuinely valuable and beyond this what other benefits are users experiencing with 5G functionality? Scale is 1 - 5 with 1 being little to no value and 5 being extremely valuable.

At this stage I’d have to give 5G a one, but we don’t know yet what this new technology with its enhanced bandwidth will make possible in the future.

3 the speed is really nice but the coverage is really bad, but this is just normal in Germany same with 4G at this time

It all depends on if you value your privacy. 4G allowed carriers to estimate your location to a very limited degree, within a block radius, as opposed to 5G where carriers can pinpoint your exact location within a few ft', regardless of the use of a VPN. Depending on the carrier you use, this location information is used by carriers to varying degrees in ways you would most likely oppose and consider obtrusive.
There's a reason it's being pushed so hard, even if 4G is still very reliable in terms of speed.

At home I have 5G service. On wifi speedtest told me 131Mbps down, 40.2 up. On 5G it was 133 and 28.5. Actually, it's odd that wifi was so low. I can do 40 megabytes per second while downloading steam games on wifi so something is off with the reading. But, 5G is probably pretty accurate for my area. I wouldn't call the 5G speed fast. It's decent. It's probably just 4G and they're calling it 5G but... it works. So, right now I'd say it's a 1 at home, sometimes nearer the big city it's better and then maybe it's a 3. Sometimes I can get it in range of very small spots where it's super fast and then maybe I'd rate it a 4. But, honestly whether my Ultra is in 4G or 5G it always seems "fast enough." So I guess 5G really isn't such a big deal.

varcor said:
It's been around 2 years since 5G was made available on flagship and some mid-level devices. Curious if faster downloads and streaming is genuinely valuable and beyond this what other benefits are users experiencing with 5G functionality? Scale is 1 - 5 with 1 being little to no value and 5 being extremely valuable.
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I would value it at 3, if it means extra costs, I would skip it.
Yes it's faster, but I don't know what you use your phone's mobile connection for?
Watching Youtube, browsing the web? 4G already fast enough
Tethering for work? 4G already fast enough to check emails and such
Tethering to download/upload large files, like games or video files maybe? If the data is unlimited, then it's more comfortable but optional.
Coverage? Here in Hong Kong where I live, it's great, but who knows in many countries.
As I said, more expensive=would pass, same price=why not?

To phrase it in an a different way, I'm questioning the way it's been marketed. It's touted by device manufacturers and service providers as the greatest innovation since the invention of the wheel. Going forward it should be worth the investment for certain IoT but I'm not clear what those features will be and they still seem to be some ways off. I don't use it and would be hesitant if it came at a cost. 4G LTE is pretty fast for any practical purposes. My service provider T-mobile offers plans at $20/5GB, $30/10GB and $40/30GB per month. If Samsung offered the S21 for $200 less without 5G I'd probably take it. At this point in time I'd be hard pressed to grade it beyond 1.

It's useful for using more battery especially on 1st generation phones

Question X90 Pro+ vs Honor Magic 5 Pro

Looks like the much much better X90 Pro+ on first look.
Software Policy that promises 3 major android upgrades, 5 years of security updates vs nothing on Vivo (likely 1-2 major upgrades only). Caveat on MWC it was spotted with Android 12 out of the box - but the China OS version seems to be on Android 13. Very unlikely it will launch with Android 12.
Software stability/notificatins: Yeah Huawei/Honor isn't top but way better than Vivo.
Google: fully inbuilt on European model - no China OS spyware
Sensor: Yes it's only 1/1.12" but it has F1.6 vs F1.8 so the natural bokeh will be pretty identical. Amount of light per pixel even slightly better
Ultrawicde: a bit higher quality sensor,
Selfie sensor: much better.
Zoom: Identical but faster lens - so in theory also slightly better. F3.0 vs F3.5
Camera software: well Huawei has always been top...
Battery: 5100maH (Global version only, Chinese gets 5450) vs 4700 on X90..
Bluetooth: X90 Pro+ has 5.3 s 5.2 only on Huawei.
Wifi: some special Wifi 6 promised - but both miss Wifi 6e and Wifi 7 as it looks now
esim: Magic 5 Pro should come with e-sim and dual sim for Europe.
Price: 1200€ including VAT and warranty in Europa - price is for Germany.... (that's basically identical to China plus VAT)
Price in China: The 90 Pro+ has today dropped today with vouchers to 4500RMB on JD (quite a drop from once 6999RMB even tough it was available at 6000 right from the start - Magic 5 Pro starts at 7473RMB - don't know about discounts... Clearly in China the X90Pro+ is a bargain vs the Magic 5 Pro in price right now. S23 Ultra goes for around 78000 RMB in China for the 512GB version.
Biggest default for Magic 5 Pro: concering camera: no variable aperture! This will hurt exactly the same as on X90 Pro+. Likely Xiaomi 13 Ultra will have the better main camera due to variable aperture on the IMX 989.
Magic 5 Pro likely has small Ultrasonic fingerprint sensor only (however their face unlock should be safer - unlike Vivo that opens with a picture...)

I'm really enjoying the 2x f/1.6 zoom on the Vivo - using it more than the main camera at the moment

Haskren said:
I'm really enjoying the 2x f/1.6 zoom on the Vivo - using it more than the main camera at the moment
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I understand that if you want to shoot portrait, 50mm is the sweet spot, it's always been. But assuming you want to use the stock camera in portrait mode, do you really thing the main sensor at 1.9x (or even better disable the lens auto switching) vs the portrait sensor is worse?
I feel it's a tiny bit different but not really worse so I feel the 2.2x camera is a bit useless anyhow. But yeah I much rather have a main sensor with variable aperture if it uses such a big sensor and the honor fails this one as well. But the rest of the package to me is much much better than the Vivo.
Oh and I was wrong about the sensor. Read a wrong report. The zoom lens uses IMX 858 not the omnivision 64b as on that vivo. Both are using periscope 90mm however.

extremecarver said:
Looks like the much much better X90 Pro+ on first look.
Software Policy that promises 3 major android upgrades, 5 years of security updates vs nothing on Vivo (likely 1-2 major upgrades only). Caveat on MWC it was spotted with Android 12 out of the box - but the China OS version seems to be on Android 13. Very unlikely it will launch with Android 12.
Software stability/notificatins: Yeah Huawei/Honor isn't top but way better than Vivo.
Google: fully inbuilt on European model - no China OS spyware
Sensor: Yes it's only 1/1.12" but it has F1.6 vs F1.8 so the natural bokeh will be pretty identical. Amount of light per pixel even slightly better
Ultrawicde: a bit higher quality sensor,
Selfie sensor: much better.
Zoom: Identical but faster lens - so in theory also slightly better. F3.0 vs F3.5
Camera software: well Huawei has always been top...
Battery: 5100maH (Global version only, Chinese gets 5450) vs 4700 on X90..
Bluetooth: X90 Pro+ has 5.3 s 5.2 only on Huawei.
Wifi: some special Wifi 6 promised - but both miss Wifi 6e and Wifi 7 as it looks now
esim: Magic 5 Pro should come with e-sim and dual sim for Europe.
Price: 1200€ including VAT and warranty in Europa - price is for Germany.... (that's basically identical to China plus VAT)
Price in China: The 90 Pro+ has today dropped today with vouchers to 4500RMB on JD (quite a drop from once 6999RMB even tough it was available at 6000 right from the start - Magic 5 Pro starts at 7473RMB - don't know about discounts... Clearly in China the X90Pro+ is a bargain vs the Magic 5 Pro in price right now. S23 Ultra goes for around 78000 RMB in China for the 512GB version.
Biggest default for Magic 5 Pro: concering camera: no variable aperture! This will hurt exactly the same as on X90 Pro+. Likely Xiaomi 13 Ultra will have the better main camera due to variable aperture on the IMX 989.
Magic 5 Pro likely has small Ultrasonic fingerprint sensor only (however their face unlock should be safer - unlike Vivo that opens with a picture...)
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I think you should sell your Vivo X90 Pro Plus as you bought it anawares. You were probably forced to buy it by someone.
Certainly the Honor Magic 5 Pro is an excellent smartphone but the hardware seems to me to be on par with the Vivo X90 Pro Plus and certainly not superior. A big flaw is that they have lowered the charging speed from 100W to 66W. Reading your words, it almost seems to me that we are talking about a comparison between a Twingo and a Ferrari... so I wonder again, why did you buy the Vivo X90 Pro Plus since the specifications and potential problems related to the software and frequency of updates (on a device imported from China) have been known for some time?
You knew very well what you were getting into. Do yourself and all of us a favor. Sell your Vivo and buy Honor Magic 5 Pro.
There is a great forum here dedicated to that brand.

Well if you read reviews like the XDA one: https://www.xda-developers.com/vivo-x90-pro-plus-review/
There is no mention at all about rotten software experience..I didn't dig through the forums to find this out. Plus In Taiwan the s23U is crazy expensive in comparison vs a China import of x90pro+ and I wanted a phone with great battery life and waited especially for 8gen2 for that. Not knowing vivo would mess that up due to a power hungry modem which clearly isn't x70.
The magic 5 clearly also hasn't x70 modem, nor does it seem to use fast connect at all. But honor/Huawei have great track record in sourcing battery efficient components. If that applies to magic 5 pro has to be seen.
Not being able to sell the x90pro+ for more than 500 euros in Taiwan I wait to be back in Europe and then exchange it against a phone with good software and battery life. Maybe s23U, if significantly cheaper maybe magic 5 pro. If until mid may it's clear that Pixel 8 would use a Samsung 3nm processor I may just wait for pixel 8 pro. Clearly nothing from BBK or Xiaomi cause they don't know how to do software and support.

extremecarver said:
Well if you read reviews like the XDA one: https://www.xda-developers.com/vivo-x90-pro-plus-review/
There is no mention at all about rotten software experience..I didn't dig through the forums to find this out. Plus In Taiwan the s23U is crazy expensive in comparison vs a China import of x90pro+ and I wanted a phone with great battery life and waited especially for 8gen2 for that. Not knowing vivo would mess that up due to a power hungry modem which clearly isn't x70.
The magic 5 clearly also hasn't x70 modem, nor does it seem to use fast connect at all. But honor/Huawei have great track record in sourcing battery efficient components. If that applies to magic 5 pro has to be seen.
Not being able to sell the x90pro+ for more than 500 euros in Taiwan I wait to be back in Europe and then exchange it against a phone with good software and battery life. Maybe s23U, if significantly cheaper maybe magic 5 pro. If until mid may it's clear that Pixel 8 would use a Samsung 3nm processor I may just wait for pixel 8 pro. Clearly nothing from BBK or Xiaomi cause they don't know how to do software and support.
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I think even more you made an unconscious purchase. As many here will be able to confirm to you, buying imported smartphones or other devices coming from China is only advisable for very aware users or advanced users.
Vivo has always made great cameraphones, not battery phones. S23U has a battery that lasts longer but also has a much slower recharge and this in my opinion is a big flaw for those who use their smartphone a lot.
I think you should evaluate the purchase of Xiaomi 13 Pro which has excellent cameras (although not at the level of Vivo X90 Pro Plus) and a battery that lasts long enough but above all with a very fast recharge.
My previous smartphone was the Xiaomi 11T Pro and I can assure you that a 120W recharge completely solves any battery problems.

Nope I couldn't care much about charging. I need a phone that lasts as long as possible while being outdoors. No access to chargers.
And Xiaomi has horrible software and not great battery life either. And I need a decent tele and main camera. Don't care much about ultrawide. Plus I of course expect stable and functional software. I don't care about homescreen or widgets at all, as I'm fine with Nova

Is it possible to install Google Services on Honor phones?
Or even root and remove Chinese spyware?

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Is it possible to install Google Services on Honor phones?
Or even root and remove Chinese spyware?
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Honor will be available with global OS. Impossible on Chinese OS. And the price is nearly the same as jn China, unlike vivo and Xiaomi who ask for ridiculous prices

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S23U has a battery that lasts longer
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No, Samsung is not better than Vivo in terms of autonomy. Yes, it can also give you 8-9 hours of screen time, and the next day only 5 - you'll never be sure of its battery life. Samsung has never been good at autonomy and batteries.
About honor. Not bad, but much more expensive than vivo, plus the main sensor gn2 against 989 is worse.
variable aperture is not an advantage - it's pure marketing, nothing more.
it also has a very very strange design with some kind of giant camera module. horror. Yes, and the appearance is not serious. Vivo has a very cool and at the same time strict appearance.
well, maybe he will take great photos, but what about the video recording in which the huawei and honor never knew how ...

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No, Samsung is not better than Vivo in terms of autonomy. Yes, it can also give you 8-9 hours of screen time, and the
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Read the reviews - Samsung is 5% better on continous gamin/benchmark tests (as expected due to bigger battery), 20% better on surfing via Wifi, 40-50% better on standby and surfing via 4G/5G or calltime. It's not even a competition. The S23U crunches the X90P+ and other X90 series with ease.
Samsung used to be average - but that was due to their Exynos processors malperforming. Considering Samsung before more or less matched the competition with worse SOC was actually quite impressive. It's way better than Vivo X90 Pro+ in battery runtime (charging slower of course). And in the past the Galaxy S8+ was actually the best device for battery life too.
The GN2 will likely be used on Pixel 8 too. Should it come with 50MP on camera2api it will be the perfect sensor for gcam mods. Yes video was never a strong place for Huawei. But I'm also not impressed with Vivo either. It's not even confirmed it's GN2 just likely (due to size). However some sources claim it has an IMX878 sensor for the main cam. Nothing would be known so far about that sensor. Maybe the 878 will only come on the Magic 5 Ultimate (which will be China only).

extremecarver said:
Looks like the much much better X90 Pro+ on first look.
Software Policy that promises 3 major android upgrades, 5 years of security updates vs nothing on Vivo (likely 1-2 major upgrades only). Caveat on MWC it was spotted with Android 12 out of the box - but the China OS version seems to be on Android 13. Very unlikely it will launch with Android 12.
Software stability/notificatins: Yeah Huawei/Honor isn't top but way better than Vivo.
Google: fully inbuilt on European model - no China OS spyware
Sensor: Yes it's only 1/1.12" but it has F1.6 vs F1.8 so the natural bokeh will be pretty identical. Amount of light per pixel even slightly better
Ultrawicde: a bit higher quality sensor,
Selfie sensor: much better.
Zoom: Identical but faster lens - so in theory also slightly better. F3.0 vs F3.5
Camera software: well Huawei has always been top...
Battery: 5100maH (Global version only, Chinese gets 5450) vs 4700 on X90..
Bluetooth: X90 Pro+ has 5.3 s 5.2 only on Huawei.
Wifi: some special Wifi 6 promised - but both miss Wifi 6e and Wifi 7 as it looks now
esim: Magic 5 Pro should come with e-sim and dual sim for Europe.
Price: 1200€ including VAT and warranty in Europa - price is for Germany.... (that's basically identical to China plus VAT)
Price in China: The 90 Pro+ has today dropped today with vouchers to 4500RMB on JD (quite a drop from once 6999RMB even tough it was available at 6000 right from the start - Magic 5 Pro starts at 7473RMB - don't know about discounts... Clearly in China the X90Pro+ is a bargain vs the Magic 5 Pro in price right now. S23 Ultra goes for around 78000 RMB in China for the 512GB version.
Biggest default for Magic 5 Pro: concering camera: no variable aperture! This will hurt exactly the same as on X90 Pro+. Likely Xiaomi 13 Ultra will have the better main camera due to variable aperture on the IMX 989.
Magic 5 Pro likely has small Ultrasonic fingerprint sensor only (however their face unlock should be safer - unlike Vivo that opens with a picture...)
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Hello , my lovely friend . Can i ask you again why you bought such a bad phone like the X90 pro plus ? what are you trying to prove here? I know i risk getting blocked soon because of you . Can you please tell me why on earth you still use the x90 pro plus? we got your point , its sh*t , you hate it . You are the only guy here who has this opinion .even so we respect that. Why do you use this phone if its so dissapointing to you ?

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Hello , my lovely friend . Can i ask you again why you bought such a bad phone like the X90 pro plus ? what are you trying to prove here? I know i risk getting blocked soon because of you . Can you please tell me why on earth you still use the x90 pro plus? we got your point , its sh*t , you hate it . You are the only guy here who has this opinion .even so we respect that. Why do you use this phone if its so dissapointing to you ?
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The sad thing is that he bought it thinking it was a battery phone but he is also complaining about photo quality even if in many comparisons Vivo is better than S23U.

maxel77 said:
The sad thing is that he bought it thinking it was a battery phone but he is also complaing about photo quality even if in many comparison Vivo is better than S23U.
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He is complaining about battery , camera , design , modem , google services ( everybody knows the problems with chinese phones) . How is that possible ? How is that even being tolerated every single day its beyond my power of understanding . I get it peoples got opinions , i like criticism as long as its constructive and realistic . But he is literally aberrating . Im ready to be banned right now . Banned for speaking in the name of 99% of this forum .

mbfamily said:
Is it possible to install Google Services on Honor phones?
Or even root and remove Chinese spyware?
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I think it should be even preinstalled on the global variant. They're saying 5G is also possible so I don't see the problem to release the phone with Playstore or Google apps.

extremecarver said:
Read the reviews - Samsung is 5% better on continous gamin/benchmark tests (as expected due to bigger battery), 20% better on surfing via Wifi, 40-50% better on standby and surfing via 4G/5G or calltime. It's not even a competition. The S23U crunches the X90P+ and other X90 series with ease.
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reviews? seriously? what about the owners?
reviews have never been true about samsungs (I owned a samsung for a long time and I will not return to this hell again). the reality is that today it will give out 8 hours of screen, like vivo x90pp, and tomorrow under the same conditions it will be only 5...
I'm sure the honor will be more autonomous, as they install high-quality batteries and optimize the firmware kernel well, but definitely not Samsung
Samsung is not a competitor for vivo at all in all parametres, except maybe with a s-pen

vendetta17 said:
Hello , my lovely friend . Can i ask you again why you bought such a bad phone like the X90 pro plus ? what are you trying to prove here?
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as you can read above it rates the phone based on reviews and not actual usage or even owner reviews on forums

Reading the threads about battery lifes with screenshots it's ace clear too. S23U is way better than the x90pro+. Vivo gets 7-8 hours only with wifi, s23U gets 10-12 hours on WiFi for DoT. Some people even squeezed 14 hours out of s23U.
With mobile data all day without WiFi and consuming 2-3 GB lucky to get 6-7 hours from x90. If bad reception and using the camera I've had 4 hours only over 12 hours use.
There's a battery thread here and besides me no one posted screenshots from accubattery...
As I often said, it's clear the modem/firmware is the culprit. It can easily be verified by using both s23u and x90pro+ as hotspot and download a big file. X90pro+ goes down 5% every 20minutes. Vs 3% on s23U. 3G call time and standby see Dxomark, clearly better than Vivo. If you are on wifi all day or don't use much mobile data the difference is much smaller. Changing Vivo stock camera for gcam saves a lot of battery too (stock camera literally sucks the battery empty in no time).
The last firmware update improved the modem slightly, so when surfing news websites/text the consumption is better now. When watching YouTube or high resolution video on X90pp over mobile data it's still munching battery like crazy (I even tested that very close to a cell tower at -70db reception, cannot get much better).
If reception is really bad, meaning -110db or less the X90pp drains like crazy but keeps the connection where my reference (Huawei p30 pro) would often drop the network. at least with screen off and for background data I would prefer a more battery conservative strategy. Not sure how S23U behaves, but X90pp even in the least power balanced network mode is a real battery sucker. Meaning while being outdoors I have to put it in airplane mode or switch of mobile data to make it a day. Same use case my p30pro would hold up nearly two days (yeah much brighter screen in sunlight makes a difference too, but much less than the modem).
Yeah because of bigger cooling x90pro+ will drain faster under load in benchmark tests, but in normal use neither phone gets close to overheating plus x90pro+ allows this overheating anyhow only for benchmark apps (57° measured for example by toviworks YouTuber, vs 43° on s23U). Without benchmark mode the X90pp actually throttles already at 32° so much earlier (throttling to around 80% max speed)...
And yes, the notifications problem on the X90pp clearly plays its part too. With vivo.pem killing google FCM removing it all apps under high battery use are uncontrolled. No way to have a strategy like besides FCM push only every 120seconds allow apps to pull stuff. Deep sleep therefore is much better on Samsung where there is an intelligent deep sleep management. That explains the standby numbers.
How good will be the honor magic 5 pro? They already more or less stated that they use their own modem, even Bluetooth and WiFi won't be fastconnect 6900 like on X90pp (7800 on s23U which has better battery saving too vs 6900), but Huawei/honor have a good track record. I doubt they reach x70/fastconnect 7800 efficiency however. And unlike origin OS they have a decent sleep management.

extremecarver said:
Reading the threads about battery lifes with screenshots it's ace clear too. S23U is way better than the x90pro+. Vivo gets 7-8 hours only with wifi, s23U gets 10-12 hours on WiFi for DoT. Some people even squeezed 14 hours out of s23U.
With mobile data all day without WiFi and consuming 2-3 GB lucky to get 6-7 hours from x90. If bad reception and using the camera I've had 4 hours only over 12 hours use.
There's a battery thread here and besides me no one posted screenshots from accubattery...
As I often said, it's clear the modem/firmware is the culprit. It can easily be verified by using both s23u and x90pro+ as hotspot and download a big file. X90pro+ goes down 5% every 20minutes. Vs 3% on s23U. 3G call time and standby see Dxomark, clearly better than Vivo. If you are on wifi all day or don't use much mobile data the difference is much smaller. Changing Vivo stock camera for gcam saves a lot of battery too (stock camera literally sucks the battery empty in no time).
The last firmware update improved the modem slightly, so when surfing news websites/text the consumption is better now. When watching YouTube or high resolution video on X90pp over mobile data it's still munching battery like crazy (I even tested that very close to a cell tower at -70db reception, cannot get much better).
If reception is really bad, meaning -110db or less the X90pp drains like crazy but keeps the connection where my reference (Huawei p30 pro) would often drop the network. at least with screen off and for background data I would prefer a more battery conservative strategy. Not sure how S23U behaves, but X90pp even in the least power balanced network mode is a real battery sucker. Meaning while being outdoors I have to put it in airplane mode or switch of mobile data to make it a day. Same use case my p30pro would hold up nearly two days (yeah much brighter screen in sunlight makes a difference too, but much less than the modem).
Yeah because of bigger cooling x90pro+ will drain faster under load in benchmark tests, but in normal use neither phone gets close to overheating plus x90pro+ allows this overheating anyhow only for benchmark apps (57° measured for example by toviworks YouTuber, vs 43° on s23U). Without benchmark mode the X90pp actually throttles already at 32° so much earlier (throttling to around 80% max speed)...
And yes, the notifications problem on the X90pp clearly plays its part too. With vivo.pem killing google FCM removing it all apps under high battery use are uncontrolled. No way to have a strategy like besides FCM push only every 120seconds allow apps to pull stuff. Deep sleep therefore is much better on Samsung where there is an intelligent deep sleep management. That explains the standby numbers.
How good will be the honor magic 5 pro? They already more or less stated that they use their own modem, even Bluetooth and WiFi won't be fastconnect 6900 like on X90pp (7800 on s23U which has better battery saving too vs 6900), but Huawei/honor have a good track record. I doubt they reach x70/fastconnect 7800 efficiency however. And unlike origin OS they have a decent sleep management.
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It looks like you have a defective phone. because I don't see anything like that on my phone. Of course, the mobile network consumes more energy, but not by that much. Here are the numbers for you. Watching videos through YouTube Wi-Fi - consumption is about 350mAh on average, which will give about 13 hours of screen if we only watch YouTube. Now 4g. consumption is about 450mAh, which will give more than 10 hours of screen. Yes, as I wrote, the mobile network on any phone consumes more. But what you described suggests that you most likely have a phone defect. I was recently on the road for about 1.5 hours. All this time there was an extremely unstable 2g3g4g network, the phone was constantly online - I needed the Internet and it constantly switched between bad networks. Moreover, two GPS navigators were continuously turned on, between which I switched. as a result, the phone sat down by a little more than 20% giving out 1.5 hours of screen time. that is, nothing like what you described on my copy is simply impossible. Well, except that I will use the phone for two days.
I do not argue that competitors will be even more energy efficient, but vivo is very good in terms of autonomy in any conditions. I highly doubt that an external modem will be better than a modem in SOC. But this needs to be tested. At least so far, no one has been able to do it.
About notifications - here I agree. Very strange behavior on different phones. It seems to be the same firmware, the same applications, the same settings, and on one phone all notifications work and even on a dark theme, and on the other they can fail even on a white theme. Everything works fine for me even with smart battery management. But I always reset the phone after purchase and install all applications from markets - I can’t stand phone cloning programs. perhaps this is the reason.

The Magic5 Pro is looking impressive for sure.
I was interested in the 4 Pro last year but ultimately did not buy it because it had an IMX766 main cam which can be found on midrange phones. And without OIS at that... Not good. The Magic5 Pro looks like a significant upgrade.