I am no expert but I used to read a lot into resetting/unlocking low-level BIOS passwords/locks/trackers on high security enterprise laptops.
The method was to replace, jump or flash EEPROM chips on the motherboard, sometimes using wires soldered onto specific pins with a flashing device/computer on the other end.
The hardest ones required specific software (probably leaked from the manufacturer) for flashing a modified BIOS binary file to reset locks, or replacing EEPROM chips that matched the unique ID of the rest of the hardware.
If Samsung implements KNOX by using/modifying the hardware on the phones, then a similar hardware level solution might exist.
There's a good chance I am wrong, since the older phones that didn't have Knox got Knox using a software update, but in either case, I think it's going to require a leak from a Samsung insider.
Even then, there's a strong chance Samsung will release an update to disable the leak since the purpose of Knox seems to be to reduce warranty claims and the enterprise customers are just an excuse.
Ultimately, that's bye bye to Samsung for taking this route unless they ALLOW a solution.
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Hate to reply to myself but for anyone passing by:
I've realised after reading the Galaxy Note 3 forums, it turns out that Knox IS actually implemented and tripped by hardware, the Qualcomm CPU in particular which has eFuses (that Qualcomm call qFuses) that burn out irreversibly when they are tripped. So resetting the counter is pretty much impossible.
This thread is where the main Knox action is going on in the Note 3 Forums, where a bounty is offered to anyone who can find a solution:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2486346
It seems so far that a method to flash recoveries/kernels/roms without tripping the Knox counter is the best possible option.
Hello everyone,
I have always been an iPhone user since the first iPhone was released back in 2007; however, I have decided I would like to switch to Android as jailbreaks become less frequent on iOS.
I want to get the Samsung S10 Plus Exynos but I had a couple of questions.
If I purchase this device, will by be able to have root access without an exploit needed?
From what I understand, enabling root will trip Knox. I also understand that certain apps made by Samsung won't work like Samsung Heath and Samsung pay. But will other apps work fine like Pokemon go or various banking apps?
Is there a better flagship phone with root that I might want to look into getting instead?
This is all very new to me as I have always been with iOS and I would truly appreciate any advice you all can give. I have been doing extraneous amounts of research, and I will continue to do so, but these are just a couple of questions that I havent been able to find an answer to as of yet.
Vanimox said:
Hello everyone,
I have always been an iPhone user since the first iPhone was released back in 2007; however, I have decided I would like to switch to Android as jailbreaks become less frequent on iOS.
I want to get the Samsung S10 Plus Exynos but I had a couple of questions.
If I purchase this device, will by be able to have root access without an exploit needed?
From what I understand, enabling root will trip Knox. I also understand that certain apps made by Samsung won't work like Samsung Heath and Samsung pay. But will other apps work fine like Pokemon go or various banking apps?
Is there a better flagship phone with root that I might want to look into getting instead?
This is all very new to me as I have always been with iOS and I would truly appreciate any advice you all can give. I have been doing extraneous amounts of research, and I will continue to do so, but these are just a couple of questions that I havent been able to find an answer to as of yet.
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1.No you wont use any exploit.
2.Yes samsung pay and samsung pass wont work.Pokemon and banking apps work as long as you dont heavily debloat.Samsung health and secure folder work.
3.No there isnt
First update phone to latest version (ASII) with odin.(Get the firmware via Frija and flash via odin).Install samsung drivers and extract what you downloaded from Frija
In odin there are 4 slots.In Ap put Ap file.Bl in Bl.CP in CP and Csc in Csc.(PUT CSC NOT HOME_CSC).then boot phone in download mode(turn it off and hold bixby and volume down then plug in the usb cable Connected To The PC).In odin click start and wait until it boots..Go to youtube and search for max lee how to root s10.Then go to Xda in S10e/S10/S10+/S10 5G cross development and install TWRP by Geiti94 with his instructions.(Optional but recommended) install any custom rom available (CarHDMod,BeyondROM,LineageOS,LightROM and HadesRom).I personally recommend you to install hades rom with corsicanu's instructions.Then you have a rooted and custom rommed phone!
Hey all!
I'll do the long story short: I am stuck on a Korean Note 9 in Europe, which means no Samsung pay for me.
Now, since I can't get Samsung Pay, and I saw I can't instal Google pay either(not sure why the Play store wouldn't let me), I have been contemplating before setting up my Note, to maybe root it, and going stock european ROM.
I have rooted multiple phones in the past, but I am not sure if it's worth it in the present, as the UIs are pretty good and complete.
Now my question is, do I lose anything else by rooting? Could someone Eli~10 what that knox fuse tripping means for future limitations/possibilities? Also, besides my reason to set custom dpi for an app, why else would one root its Note 9 nowadays?
Thanks!
I'm pretty sure you lose Private Folder and maybe Samsung Health if you root. I'd consider rooting only for Viper4Android & the YouTube Background Playback xposed module. But I saw there is xposed for non-rooted phones & Note9 has Dolby Atmos so I think this will be my first android phone that I won't root (don't even need root anymore).
It is personal preference, but all apps that require Knox will cease to work, so almost all payment apps will be of no use. While the first comment said S Health would no longer work, months ago a workaround was found to get it to work. Many apps I like require root, but there are nonroot workarounds for most of them.
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It is personal preference, but all apps that require Knox will cease to work, so almost all payment apps will be of no use. While the first comment said S Health would no longer work, months ago a workaround was found to get it to work. Many apps I like require root, but there are nonroot workarounds for most of them.
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And which are specifically the apps that require Knox to work?
I don't know all of them. The only ones I know are Samsung Pay, Samsung Pass, Secure Folder, and Adhell, but development of Adhell ceased months ago. There are definitely more.
I had the same dilemma when I first bought my Note 9. For a couple of seconds. Then, I rooted it as I do with every Android phone I get since 2009.
Any app, website, or service that demands a non-rooted device goes automatically to my black list.
The main things I'm looking for are reinstalling adaway or any other adblocker that needs to access the hosts file, and 1080p60 rear camera recording. I've learned to live without the former, and I'm not holding my breath that Samsung will enable the latter even tho it works on the A70 and there are mods to make it work on rooted A71. I bought my A71 on Amazon, as far as I know it has no warranty because it's the international edition so I don't really care about tripping Knox. I know that OTA updates are disabled, but I've used Odin in the past and am familiar with how to flash stock updates with it. I have read that rooted devices can't use Google Pay/Samsung Pay, but can be fixed with MagiskHide -- is this correct? I don't really care about custom roms, stock is fine and much better than touchwiz from my previous samsung S4. Is there anything else that I would potentially lose out on that doesn't have a workaround?
Thanks
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The main things I'm looking for are reinstalling adaway or any other adblocker that needs to access the hosts file, and 1080p60 rear camera recording. I've learned to live without the former, and I'm not holding my breath that Samsung will enable the latter even tho it works on the A70 and there are mods to make it work on rooted A71. I bought my A71 on Amazon, as far as I know it has no warranty because it's the international edition so I don't really care about tripping Knox. I know that OTA updates are disabled, but I've used Odin in the past and am familiar with how to flash stock updates with it. I have read that rooted devices can't use Google Pay/Samsung Pay, but can be fixed with MagiskHide -- is this correct? I don't really care about custom roms, stock is fine and much better than touchwiz from my previous samsung S4. Is there anything else that I would potentially lose out on that doesn't have a workaround?
Thanks
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Rooting is pointless and a total waste of time, imo no phone really needs to be rooted as they are good enough as they come.
fattest said:
The main things I'm looking for are reinstalling adaway or any other adblocker that needs to access the hosts file, and 1080p60 rear camera recording. I've learned to live without the former, and I'm not holding my breath that Samsung will enable the latter even tho it works on the A70 and there are mods to make it work on rooted A71. I bought my A71 on Amazon, as far as I know it has no warranty because it's the international edition so I don't really care about tripping Knox. I know that OTA updates are disabled, but I've used Odin in the past and am familiar with how to flash stock updates with it. I have read that rooted devices can't use Google Pay/Samsung Pay, but can be fixed with MagiskHide -- is this correct? I don't really care about custom roms, stock is fine and much better than touchwiz from my previous samsung S4. Is there anything else that I would potentially lose out on that doesn't have a workaround?
Thanks
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There is a really cool alternative to adaway called blokada. I use it on both unrooted and rooted devices, it works pretty good.
Tripping knox is something that stays forever, so it's a really important decision to make. I've been tripping knox since it was introduced a few generations ago so I'm not really missing anything lol.
I have no way of testing Google Pay since it's not supported by my bank, but I can at least open it and attempt to register a payment method so I think that maybe it may be useable for banks that support it.
Samsung Pay, for now, totally depends on the knox fuse, so it won't work again even if you go back to fully locked stock
Samsung Pass is also lost with the knox fuse blown, with no current workaround, but I find the Google Password manager to be just as good
Secure Folder is also broken in stock, so you'll have to either fix it or install a custom ROM that has it fixed if you want to ever use it again
And finally, widevine is set to L3 which means you will only be able to stream in 720p with Netflix or Amazon Prime Video. I don't know if this is set to L1 by default on the A71 stock firmware(I rooted way before I knew what widevine even was) so I suggest you check your Netflix playback information on settings to see if you have Widevine L1 there. If it is, you can currently play stuff in full HD. If it's L3 even in stock A71 firmware then ignore this whole sentence lol.
Thanks for the detailed reply.
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There is a really cool alternative to adaway called blokada. I use it on both unrooted and rooted devices, it works pretty good..
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I will try this out. I tried AdGuard previously but found it wasn't giving as good coverage as AdAway.
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Tripping knox is something that stays forever, so it's a really important decision to make. I've been tripping knox since it was introduced a few generations ago so I'm not really missing anything lol.
I have no way of testing Google Pay since it's not supported by my bank, but I can at least open it and attempt to register a payment method so I think that maybe it may be useable for banks that support it.
Samsung Pay, for now, totally depends on the knox fuse, so it won't work again even if you go back to fully locked stock
Samsung Pass is also lost with the knox fuse blown, with no current workaround, but I find the Google Password manager to be just as good
Secure Folder is also broken in stock, so you'll have to either fix it or install a custom ROM that has it fixed if you want to ever use it again
And finally, widevine is set to L3 which means you will only be able to stream in 720p with Netflix or Amazon Prime Video. I don't know if this is set to L1 by default on the A71 stock firmware(I rooted way before I knew what widevine even was) so I suggest you check your Netflix playback information on settings to see if you have Widevine L1 there. If it is, you can currently play stuff in full HD. If it's L3 even in stock A71 firmware then ignore this whole sentence lol.
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I've read a bit on Google Pay, seems like a lot of work to get it working on a rooted device with Magisk. But on the other hand I haven't really used it up to now, although it is nice to have in case I forget my wallet when going out. Never used the other features you mentioned, and I don't use my phone for watching netflix/prime, just YouTube. Do you know if lack of Widevine L1 could prevent casting of HD/UHD content from my phone to a tv, or limit YouTube on the phone to 720p? I do cast a lot of live sports from http links using Web Video Caster to my TV.
To me it looks like the big thing I'm missing on stock is 1080p60 rear camera, which I believe your ROM has, and looking at the videos on my wife's iphone xr it makes a huge difference. From reading your other posts, it looks like it's just a setting in an xml file to enable it on the phone, and I'm sure if it could be done without rooting everyone would be doing it. I guess it's up to Samsung to enable this feature in One UI 3.0 or some future update. I think if it doesn't happen in One UI 3.0 I will go ahead and root.
Thanks again.
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I've read a bit on Google Pay, seems like a lot of work to get it working on a rooted device with Magisk. But on the other hand I haven't really used it up to now, although it is nice to have in case I forget my wallet when going out.
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Really? I didn't have a hard time getting Pay to open, but since I can't fully test it I guess I can't say for sure
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Never used the other features you mentioned, and I don't use my phone for watching netflix/prime, just YouTube. Do you know if lack of Widevine L1 could prevent casting of HD/UHD content from my phone to a tv, or limit YouTube on the phone to 720p? I do cast a lot of live sports from http links using Web Video Caster to my TV.
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Widevine only effects things that could stream copy-righted material (that are ultra secure) like Netflix and Prime Video. It has no effect on Youtube, you should be good to go.
fattest said:
To me it looks like the big thing I'm missing on stock is 1080p60 rear camera, which I believe your ROM has, and looking at the videos on my wife's iphone xr it makes a huge difference. From reading your other posts, it looks like it's just a setting in an xml file to enable it on the phone, and I'm sure if it could be done without rooting everyone would be doing it. I guess it's up to Samsung to enable this feature in One UI 3.0 or some future update. I think if it doesn't happen in One UI 3.0 I will go ahead and root.
Thanks again.
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Yes it literally only takes one edit on a text file to enable it. I don't know why Samsung went out of their way to keep it off of the A71. Weird since this is a 2020 phone, you would think that they would enable as much features as possible to get it to sell. Sometimes I don't know what Samsung is thinking. What may happen is that Samsung adds 60 fps recording and calls it "We added a brand new, exciting feature to the mid-range phones" but I HIGHLY doubt it, who knows.
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Really? I didn't have a hard time getting Pay to open, but since I can't fully test it I guess I can't say for sure
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I don't know if it's a matter of opening Google Pay, but maybe adding cards and using the device for NFC payment. Here's the thread where I read the solution, the post is pretty lengthy:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ap...7-1-22-pie-t3929950/post79643248#post79643248
The only negative (with no workaround) is the lost of drm, widevide switches from level 1 to level 3. This happens by unlocking bootloader actually, but that's a required step towards rooting.
This won't allow you to stream HD drm protected content, like from Netflix and Amazon Prime Video.
Probably won't be able to stream Atmos music on Tidal too, but I'm not sure about this one.
They say widevide goes back to L1 after relocking bootloader but haven't tried (yet?) and I had an opposite experience with an older phone where it never came back.
ShaDisNX255 said:
There is a really cool alternative to adaway called blokada. I use it on both unrooted and rooted devices, it works pretty good.
Tripping knox is something that stays forever, so it's a really important decision to make. I've been tripping knox since it was introduced a few generations ago so I'm not really missing anything lol.
I have no way of testing Google Pay since it's not supported by my bank, but I can at least open it and attempt to register a payment method so I think that maybe it may be useable for banks that support it.
Samsung Pay, for now, totally depends on the knox fuse, so it won't work again even if you go back to fully locked stock
Samsung Pass is also lost with the knox fuse blown, with no current workaround, but I find the Google Password manager to be just as good
Secure Folder is also broken in stock, so you'll have to either fix it or install a custom ROM that has it fixed if you want to ever use it again
And finally, widevine is set to L3 which means you will only be able to stream in 720p with Netflix or Amazon Prime Video. I don't know if this is set to L1 by default on the A71 stock firmware(I rooted way before I knew what widevine even was) so I suggest you check your Netflix playback information on settings to see if you have Widevine L1 there. If it is, you can currently play stuff in full HD. If it's L3 even in stock A71 firmware then ignore this whole sentence lol.
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Sir, if you ever unroot and relock bootloader please let know on forum if Widevide goes back to L1.
Thank you
Hi guys, I have been rooting all my devices from Galaxy S4, OnePlus 6T and OnePlus 8 Pro and never had to decide to trip the irreversible Knox.
I'd like to ask if rooting will stop working Samsung Dex or Bixby routines?
What else will stop working after root?
Thanks for your time.
I have seen that Samsung pay, secure folder and health doesn't work once the knox fuse is tripped. bixby routines might work but i am not sure about DEX.
anyone had success with dex?
Successfully rooted. Samsung DeX works and everything else.