Performance+CustomROM dream, but why no microSD? - Redmi K20 Pro / Xiaomi Mi 9T Pro Questions & Answe

I have the Redmi Note 7 which in its price range is one of the best hardware+CustomROM combinations available - for example crDroid with microG works fine.
I would like to have a performance upgrade (CPU) but loosing the microSD option is a stopper since when flashing crDroid. etc. this seems like a basic feature to me.
I do not understand why Xiaomi has no DualSIM + dedicated microSD Version in the mid/top-range lineup. Even RN7 has a shared microSD.
With all the different versions, slight hardware upgrades and continental name changes is there maybe a kinda Mi 9T Pro with microSD (and EU LTE Bands)?

ChriMo said:
I have the Redmi Note 7 which in its price range is one of the best hardware+CustomROM combinations available - for example crDroid with microG works fine.
I would like to have a performance upgrade (CPU) but loosing the microSD option is a stopper since when flashing crDroid. etc. this seems like a basic feature to me.
I do not understand why Xiaomi has no DualSIM + dedicated microSD Version in the mid/top-range lineup. Even RN7 has a shared microSD.
With all the different versions, slight hardware upgrades and continental name changes is there maybe a kinda Mi 9T Pro with microSD (and EU LTE Bands)?
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Nope, no microSD just means being more reliant on a pc, not a deal-breaker imo.

The phone has plenty of memory and for flashing and wiping data there's always USB OTG. Micro SD is just not needed.

Robbo.5000 said:
The phone has plenty of memory and for flashing and wiping data there's always USB OTG. Micro SD is just not needed.
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Well on RN7 128GB RAM + 128 GB microSD whith a lot of 4k filming and on-device cutting + re-encoding I need to do constant file management (meaning moving to HD's) to keep the memory from getting full. So in response to @hoopsnake I am more reliant on a PC

Yeah that's why I hesitated about getting the base storage model. I ended up splurging for the 512gb model

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What is best SD card to use with M8

I want to use it to store apps/music+pictures/nandroid backups, so what SD is best for me to use? preferably 32gb+ and under 25€
Sharp852 said:
I want to use it to store apps/music+pictures/nandroid backups, so what SD is best for me to use? preferably 32gb+ and under 25€
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I would buy the Samsung Evo plus UHS-I. Seems to be the best value:
Samsung EVO+ https://www.amazon.es/dp/B00WIMC5IS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_DDWoybBKQVG6F
Samsung SD works fine for me, as well. And I've also been happy with Sandisk in the past as well (Samsung just happened to be cheaper).
Are you talking adoptable storage or removable? The speed requirement is higher with adoptable. You'll want to get the fastest SD card you can for adoptable storage, possibly even the Samsung PRO+.
If you're talking removable storage, for the things you mentioned (photos, nandroid backups), speed rating are probably not too relevant. That is, as long as its Class 10 or UHS1 or faster - and there are many affordable options these days, that its probably not even worth looking at SD lower than Class 10 (and in fact you won't find many options in lower speed classes). The UHS1 rating on the Samsung EVO+ as well as the EVO should be fine. Taking video would probably be the most intensive thing you can do with SD, and the Samsung EVO works fine for me doing that. Not sure about putting apps on the SD. But if its designed to be on removable storage, I don't think its too terribly speed dependent.
redpoint73 said:
Samsung SD works fine for me, as well. And I've also been happy with Sandisk in the past as well (Samsung just happened to be cheaper).
Are you talking adoptable storage or removable? The speed requirement is higher with adoptable. You'll want to get the fastest SD card you can for adoptable storage, possibly even the Samsung PRO+.
If you're talking removable storage, for the things you mentioned (photos, nandroid backups), speed rating are probably not too relevant. That is, as long as its Class 10 or UHS1 or faster - and there are many affordable options these days, that its probably not even worth looking at SD lower than Class 10 (and in fact you won't find many options in lower speed classes). The UHS1 rating on the Samsung EVO+ as well as the EVO should be fine. Taking video would probably be the most intensive thing you can do with SD, and the Samsung EVO works fine for me doing that. Not sure about putting apps on the SD. But if its designed to be on removable storage, I don't think its too terribly speed dependent.
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Well,what would you recommend to me? I will more likely also store apps there,so?
So what is minimal req for adoptable storage? What are best budget SDs for that one? PRO+
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Sharp852 said:
Well,what would you recommend to me? I will more likely also store apps there,so?
So what is minimal req for adoptable storage? What are best budget SDs for that one? PRO+
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I don't use adoptable storage, so all I can tell you, is what I've read from searching.
Class 10 or UHS-1 seems to be the recommended minimum rating. But I've read to buy the fastest you can afford, to minimize performance slowdowns. One website specifically mentioned possibly using PRO+ (can't find it right now). But the info doesn't seem definitive.
I see Samsung also has PRO Select, and I'm not sure if there is a difference between that and PRO+. They both have 95 MB/s read, 90 MB/s write. I'm seeing the Amazon US site doesn't have a lot of PRO+ in stock, but they have PRO Select in 32GB for $25 US. So possibly the PRO Select is just a new branding of the PRO+?
The branding is confusing, to say the least: EVO, EVO+, EVO Select, PRO, PRO+, PRO Select.
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I don't use adoptable storage, so all I can tell you, is what I've read from searching.
Class 10 or UHS-1 seems to be the recommended minimum rating. But I've read to buy the fastest you can afford, to minimize performance slowdowns. One website specifically mentioned possibly using PRO+ (can't find it right now). But the info doesn't seem definitive.
I see Samsung also has PRO Select, and I'm not sure if there is a difference between that and PRO+. They both have 95 MB/s read, 90 MB/s write. I'm seeing the Amazon US site doesn't have a lot of PRO+ in stock, but they have PRO Select in 32GB for $25 US. So possibly the PRO Select is just a new branding of the PRO+?
The branding is confusing, to say the least: EVO, EVO+, EVO Select, PRO, PRO+, PRO Select.
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The Select is the newest. But I believe they are equal in terms of performance http://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/reviews/sd-cards/samsung-pro-select-64gb-micro-sdxc-memory-card/
i am using strontium nitro 64gb , its superb sd card..
excellent read/write speed, maybe you can go for it,
and contrary i can suggest you 128gb sandisk sdcard too. waiting for its price cut
I am hoping to pump some new life into this thread. I am curious if anyone has used or tested a 200+ gig sd card for our phone as this guy is suggesting will work. Wouldn't mind upgrading but dont want to drop the loot before someone has confirmed maybe with a screen shot that it works.
http://www.ilovememorycards.com/htc-one-m8-memory-card.html
I have Samsung Evo+ 128GB in my M8 No problem with it in M8
panki_86 said:
I have Samsung Evo+ 128GB in my M8 No problem with it in M8
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Can you please do a speed test?
Cheers
Badelhas said:
Can you please do a speed test?
Cheers
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Here is a test
Thanks!
63MB/s read and 18MB/s write? Seems low, dosent it?
Cheers
It's ok for me. I paid for it 29 euros
panki_86 said:
It's ok for me. I paid for it 29 euros
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Your right. And the limitation must be with the M8. If you do that test on the HTC 10 the results should be much better.
Here's a screenshot of my benchmark. I use an old Samsung 32gb class 10 card.
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Does this phone have a sd slot for expandable storage?

There are a lot of conflicting views that this has an sd slot or not.
I've seen about half saying yes and half saying no and don't know what is true? I'm in the UK so not sure if there are different versions?
No, The P20 pro only has 128gb built in storage.
It does support USB storage via a USB-C adapter
It definitely doesn’t. Unfortunately, it seems a lot of retailers and websites are reporting it does. That’s a mistake. 100% mistake.
To back up what ricjuh and gavinfabl have said above, here's a copy of my chat transcript on this issue with Huawei online support:
3:21:25 PM - deebo007 said : Hi Thea, I have a question about the new P20 pro
3:21:44 PM - deebo007 said : Does it have a microSD card slot to expand the memory?
3:22:12 PM - deebo007 said : Many websites say that it does, but your website does not mention it.
3:22:47 PM - Thea said : One moment to check!
3:22:51 PM - deebo007 said : Thanks
3:24:10 PM - Thea said : Thank you for waiting, the P20 Pro does not support a microSD to expand the memory.
3:24:50 PM - deebo007 said : OK, thanks very much. that's a real shame as I was looking to get one. This has unfortunately ruled this option out for me.
3:25:12 PM - Thea said : Ah, very sorry to hear. I can understand why a microSD would be important.
3:27:46 PM - deebo007 said : OK, thanks Thea, please pass on my comment to your design team, this is a major issue when your new P20 Pro does not support it but your Honor View 10 does, seems to be a very strange decision.
3:29:07 PM - Thea said : I agree with you! I will pass this on to my design team in regards to this.
3:29:28 PM - deebo007 said : Thanks. Have a good day.
As stated, 100% it does not. The SIM tray is equal to that of the Mate 10 Pro (they're essentially the same hardware platform - I'm sure the SIM slot lines up perfectly) and has two nano slots in it - nothing more.
jonmorris said:
As stated, 100% it does not. The SIM tray is equal to that of the Mate 10 Pro (they're essentially the same hardware platform - I'm sure the SIM slot lines up perfectly) and has two nano slots in it - nothing more.
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Good to see you on here Jon, what happened to mobile&gadget?
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jonmorris said:
As stated, 100% it does not. The SIM tray is equal to that of the Mate 10 Pro (they're essentially the same hardware platform - I'm sure the SIM slot lines up perfectly) and has two nano slots in it - nothing more.
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this is a very bad news, it pushes to heavy users to search another options, like S9+ plus, with some versions with 256GB internal memory + microsdxc slot up 400GB.
very wrong move of huawei, especially with a 3- camera lens, RAW and HDR format, 4K video and Slow-Mo option
I can not Inderstand... 40 Megapixel Pictures With a karge size per Picture but No way for SD....
Offline navigation. Some Games and a few Photos and storage is empty....i do Not understand IT :/
Ricardo_G said:
this is a very bad news, it pushes to heavy users to search another options, like S9+ plus, with some versions with 256GB internal memory + microsdxc slot up 400GB.
very wrong move of huawei, especially with a 3- camera lens, RAW and HDR format, 4K video and Slow-Mo option
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I guess it depends if you feel like you have to keep everything stored on your phone forever. I backup and remove things as I think phones perform better without bloat and 128GB of storage feels huge to me! Last phone I had with 128GB storage (Nokia 8) I didn't even bother putting an SD in. You can easily plug USB C card readers into modern phones for backup purposes if you don't want to use Google Photos (or the cloud generally).
leoni1980 said:
I guess it depends if you feel like you have to keep everything stored on your phone forever. I backup and remove things as I think phones perform better without bloat and 128GB of storage feels huge to me! Last phone I had with 128GB storage (Nokia 8) I didn't even bother putting a SIM in. You can easily plug USB C card readers into modern phones for backup purposes if you don't want to use Google Photos (or the cloud generally).
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Pretty pointless having a phone then unless just used the camera!
Very witty
ok ok ok... I have a question... what the hell are they referring to when they say that the Huawei P20 Pro has two nano slots that could be used for expansion?? are they saying that these nano slots are accessable for expansion?? this is so confusing for me and quite possibly for others as well.. I am pretty sure that this is where people are getting confused and saying that the P20 Pro is SD expandable. Someone really needs to do some rewording of the Huawei P20 Pro Description and indicate that its got no Expansion slots.. only reason why I got it was to have the 4 camera feature which the pro camera feature on it has a very high pixel quality to it and is rated highest over all other Cell Phones.
lorbat said:
There are a lot of conflicting views that this has an sd slot or not.
I've seen about half saying yes and half saying no and don't know what is true? I'm in the UK so not sure if there are different versions?
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no have sd card slot in p20 pro... only internal storage 128 or 256GB... 6GB RAM/128GB ROM or 8GB RAM/256GB ROM
Hey guys,
I just had to clean up a few posts in this thread. Let's keep things civil and on-topic.
Thanks!
rwilco12

Please suggest some best 64GB SDcard for poco f1.

I'm planning on to buy a 64GB SDcard, I'm currently in India. I need the best read/write support. I have a 250 mbps WiFi connection. I just don't want my SDcard to bottleneck the download speed. I just don't know about these SDcards and stuff. Please help me.
sandisk extreme or extreme pro... here
(obiouvsly you'll have to source a local deal)
if not available, you want to be looking for A2, U3 v30 cards
Sandisk or Samsung, I use them both and haven't had any problem. UHS 1 is the minimum speed if for modern phones.
reg66 said:
sandisk extreme or extreme pro... here
(obiouvsly you'll have to source a local deal)
if not available, you want to be looking for A2, U3 v30 cards
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I read an article saying that a2 sd cards is not yet supported in Snapdragon 845. If that is the case then it's better to use an A1 sd card to save money.
I don't trust SanDisk anymore after years of experience on many devices, nor other brands frankly, Kingston is the worst.. Only use Samsung Evo cards now. Also many fakes for all brands, even Samsung on Amazon.
I would also suggest Samsung evo
Samsung works ok in pocoloco

Mi9 64GB or 128GB

Hello guys, please tell which of this two versions you've got and why.
Does it mather to pay about +-50 more to get the 128GB version instead of 64GB, if just the storage size changes?
dkionline said:
Hello guys, please tell which of this two versions you've got and why.
Does it mather to pay about +-50 more to get the 128GB version instead of 64GB, if just the storage size changes?
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Well sadly no expandable storage which sucks, so get 128gb if you can. Personally I have 64gb because thats the only version available at Amazon.
I depends on your usage, how much space do you use on your current phone?
I had less than 20gb left on my 64gb Mi A2, and now, i have 73 gb left on my 128gb Mi 9, if i had the 64gb version, i would have only 9gb left. You also need to think about your space for 2 years from now, and also for the resell value.
I bought the 128gb and I don't know why. 64GB would be enough.
Buying the 64GB here. Even with Netflix downloads, a few GB games and tons of photos., I’m hoovering at 20 GB free space after a year and a half. Google Photos saves a lot of space and unlimeted cloud storage in a decent enough quality.
Gokh said:
I depends on your usage, how much space do you use on your current phone?
I had less than 20gb left on my 64gb Mi A2, and now, i have 73 gb left on my 128gb Mi 9, if i had the 64gb version, i would have only 9gb left. You also need to think about your space for 2 years from now, and also for the resell value.
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Running 32GB internal + 64GB external, but most is on external SD btw. I have some OTG C to use too.
128g here! the way i look at it rather have too much than not enough haha
I have 6GB/128GB because the Mi 9 has no external storage
I have the Mi 9 because Belsimpel (dutch shop) only has the 128GB version in blue.
I wanted the 128gb version but it was out of my budget (was way overpriced too). So i went with the 64gb and to be honest i'm gonna miss my 128gb i had with my redmi note 4 as external storage ... but oh well at least i can sell it and get some money back out of it. c:
I have 6/64 and for me it is ok.
I don't need many space in mobile phone, just some gb for mp3 to listen in can via bluetooth.
If better 64 o 128 gb depend of your own use of mobile phone.
bought the 128gb version myself as the price i got on it was quite cheap but 64 one would have been just fine too (as i had a 32gb s7 edge previously with 32gb sdcard)
256GB, the more the merrier
Do note that the storage speed differs quite a bit between the two versions. The 128GB one has faster sequential reads (almost 800MB/s, compared to 620-690 the 64GB one gets) while the 64GB one has almost twice as fast seq write speeds (about 390MB/s compared to 180-ish the 128GB one gets). The other parameters are usually in line, they also tend to differ between ROM versions on the global dev I've been running until now.
My current phone is the LG V10 so I went with the 8/128. I don't like buying phones so I wanted to make sure this one lasts as long as possible.
Noticed that no-one is mentioning how much space you do actually get after turning the phone for the first time. I have see somewhere that 128g version has 117g free. Is this true?
phnikola said:
Noticed that no-one is mentioning how much space you do actually get after turning the phone for the first time. I have see somewhere that 128g version has 117g free. Is this true?
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Yup. I just roughly calculated it and I got 116,88gb. Don't remember the exact value.
Try get 128. But only if you use your camera often (specially video). I bought 64gb and now only my gallery take 15GB. 4min video from some event takes 1, 2GB. So let's think before.
I got the 64gb because the 128gb was too expensive when I ordered it. I use Google Photos so no storage space used for photos on my phone and it's free. Thanks whoever posted the RAM speed differences. I was unaware. I wonder if the 256gb has faster speeds?
Just before I purchased the phone, I changed my mind and went for 64gb version.
My previous phone had 64gb storage and 64gb SD card, and I was using around 100gb of the total.
On the way to the shop I had a little cleaning, and checked the files on my SD card and it turned out almost all is useless and I just keep it on my phone (I had 2 year old TWRP backups, many custom ROMs and mods that I don't need and use etc)
Same apps and similar amount of downloads (on Netflix, Spotify, Photos etc) and I have 30gb free on my 64gb Mi 9. So, I don't think 128gb is necessary for a regular user.
Now, I can use the 50 euros I saved, in buying a 20W wireless charger and a power-bank.

Best MicroSD Card?

Trying to choose what MicroSD card to get for my Note 9
First is
Samsung Evo Plus 256gb
Link:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B06XFS5657/ref=cm_cr_othr_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1
Second is
SanDisk Extreme Plus 128gb
Link:-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07FCMRBTM/ref=psdcmw_1345826031_t3_B07FCMKK5X?th=1&psc=1
Right away you'll notice one is 128gb & the other is 256gb this is because the storage isn't too important, 128 is enough, 256 is the same price..
However the SanDisk one is A2 certified & V30 certified which the Samsung one is not, also the SanDisk has a 170mb/s read Vs the Samsung's 100mb/s read
Will the A2 & V30 certification even make a difference on a Note 9?
Appreciate any help or opinions? Thanks
TheInfiniteAndroid said:
Trying to choose what MicroSD card to get for my Note 9
First is
Samsung Evo Plus 256gb
Link:- https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B06XFS5657/ref=cm_cr_othr_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8&th=1&psc=1
Second is
SanDisk Extreme Plus 128gb
Link:-
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B07FCMRBTM/ref=psdcmw_1345826031_t3_B07FCMKK5X?th=1&psc=1
Right away you'll notice one is 128gb & the other is 256gb this is because the storage isn't too important, 128 is enough, 256 is the same price..
However the SanDisk one is A2 certified & V30 certified which the Samsung one is not, also the SanDisk has a 170mb/s read Vs the Samsung's 100mb/s read
Will the A2 & V30 certification even make a difference on a Note 9?
Appreciate any help or opinions? Thanks
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The impact between the Samsung SD & Sandisk is not so Big I guess. Anyway i have a pro SD card from Samsung in my Note 9 & what to Say? Works perfect.. but if you get more space for same price..i would recommend the Samsung anyway..
That depends on what you're going to store on the SD card. If it's music or data that's doesn't need lightning access, go for 256GB. You're getting 2x storage with same price. 100 mb/s read is not less either.
The premium cards with names like Extreme or Pro advertising more than a hundred MB/s speeds are useful for cases like 4K video recording or RAW (or burst shot) photography.
I assume your Note9 still has plenty of storage to do these stuff. You can always record or shoot photos on internal storage and can anytime move the older ones to SD card if you get low on storage.
As I have said, please do share the reason you're thinking about getting 100+ GB SD card.
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Paras Lehana said:
That depends on what you're going to store on the SD card. If it's music or data that's doesn't need lightning access, go for 256GB. You're getting 2x storage with same price. 100 mb/s read is not less either.
The premium cards with names like Extreme or Pro advertising more than a hundred MB/s speeds are useful for cases like 4K video recording or RAW (or burst shot) photography.
I assume your Note9 still has plenty of storage to do these stuff. You can always record or shoot photos on internal storage and can anytime move the older ones to SD card if you get low on storage.
As I have said, please do share the reason you're thinking about getting 100+ GB SD card.
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Mainly high quality photo's, high quality videos, high quality music often .flac instead of .mp3 & possibly some movies..
You're correct assuming that my Note 9 has plenty of storage left I've only used 29gb out of 128gb, however I prefer to keep music, photos & videos on a removable storage
The reason I'm thinking about getting 100gb+ is because I already have 3 MicroSD cards full at this moment in time, they're 32, 32, & 16 so that is already 80gb in total, so a 64gb MicroSD wouldn't be much use, the next one up is 128gb...
I want to move all the contents of the 3 MicroSD cards & move them on to the 1, easy to manage my files that way
I often backup the MicroSD contents on to my PC twice a month, I'd want that to be fast as possible
It's my understanding that the V30 certification is for filming & saving 4K video directly on to the MicroSD right?, That wouldn't be too important as I'd film it on to my device first then move it later on..
However the A2 certification is regarding read speed right? Which is 170mb/s on the SanDisk compared to 100mb/s on the Samsung, how noticeable is the extra 70mb/s and it what circumstances?
Yes, V30 means the card can sustain continuous video recording at 30 MB/s. You said you're going to record on internal storage itself (and you should be) so that shouldn't matter much to you.
That enhanced write and read speed (with some caching and efficient performance) with A2 can give you higher speeds while backing up the data to your PC but it's just 1.7x with 0.5x storage (not mentioning other bottlenecks for maximum speed). I consider the 256GB to be having far more VFM. Your backup frequency will also get halved with double storage, no?
You can never go wrong with either of these. Premium memory cards like V30 are meant for professional video recorders and camera. Playing even 4K videos requires around 50 mbps and FLAC are under 1 mbps.
I think you should get double the memory for same the price!
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Paras Lehana said:
Yes, V30 means the card can sustain continuous video recording at 30 MB/s. You said you're going to record on internal storage itself (and you should be) so that shouldn't matter much to you.
That enhanced write and read speed (with some caching and efficient performance) with A2 can give you higher speeds while backing up the data to your PC but it's just 1.7x with 0.5x storage (not mentioning other bottlenecks for maximum speed). I consider the 256GB to be having far more VFM. Your backup frequency will also get halved with double storage, no?
You can never go wrong with either of these. Premium memory cards like V30 are meant for professional video recorders and camera. Playing even 4K videos requires around 50 mbps and FLAC are under 1 mbps.
I think you should get double the memory for same the price!
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Yes I'd record on internal so V30 can be forgotten about pretty much
Could I also expect bottlenecking on the Samsung 256gb?, & yes my backup frequency would probably be reduced to once a month with the increased space
Yeah the V30 certification would definitely make a difference to me if I was using a professional camera etc. But as it's my Note 9 & I'd be saving to internal, I don't necessarily need it
I'll probably end up going with the Samsung 256gb thank you very much for your help!
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Could I also expect bottlenecking on the Samsung 256gb?
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Yes, by bottleneck I mean the capabilities of Memory Controller and Card Readers.
Upon reading over the internet, I have found most SD cards averaging Read/Write below 70 MB/s. Read one benchmarking here for Samsung EVO+ 256GB UHS-1 microSDXC U3 that advertises speeds over 90 MB/s.
The bottleneck here is the card reader on Note9 as well as the hardware limits.
Even on a PC, the card interface or the adapter (in case you use that) could be bottlenecks.
I think you're going the right way with double the memory with same the price. There's diminishing returns on higher performance with increasing price.
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Both are good brands. However if you are probably gonna get the same data transfer speeds on your device as the Note 9 doesn't have a very fast microSDcard writter in it.
I have a Samsung Evo Plus 256gb and it's good and fast. I can only recommend it
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I have a Samsung Evo Plus 256gb and it's fast and good. I can only recommend it
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