I might be speaking out of an uninformed thought here, but I'm concerned about our root status.
With the bounty being as high as it is, and me not being able to find anywhere that the Devs are collaborating, what are the odds it is taking so long (or even might NOT happen) because there is no developer collaboration for the insanely high bounty? I could be wrong, but I'm starting to wonder if that's the right way to go about it.
Then there's the concern that if we do achieve root, it'll be so late in the game that no one will be developing for our S5 at that point and will have moved on to another device.
Thoughts?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we NEED the bootloader unlocked in order to achieve root it just makes it a hell of a lot easier. I believe the Note 3 on certain carriers still has the bootloader locked but someone was able to find a vulnerability and used that to get root. But I do share your concern as many carriers are offering upgrades after a year and most developers and obviously users get new devices with their upgrade.
Correct, we don't need an unlock bootloader to have root, but, Kitkat update has patch all the vulnerabilities that were use in previous devices like the S4 and Note 3, currently all Note3 shipped with KitKat are stock with no root because of that. I personally think that root will not be achieved on the S5 (Verizon and AT&T), the Note 3 has been on the market way longer than the S5 and the bootloader still locked and root is thing of the past if the Device was shipped with KK from factory.
Besides most of the Devs are researchers and get better recognition/$$$ by giving the exploits to manufactures instead of making it public. Other Devs just like to make it for Fun, but with the locked bootloader there is not much fun but a lot of work instead, and since no everybody that pledges actually pays is not worth it for them to actually work on getting root for a device you can get unlocked on other networks (ex. T-Mo). If all S5 were to be shipped with a locked bootloader, you would had root by now.
Colerunn said:
I might be speaking out of an uninformed thought here, but I'm concerned about our root status.
With the bounty being as high as it is, and me not being able to find anywhere that the Devs are collaborating, what are the odds it is taking so long (or even might NOT happen) because there is no developer collaboration for the insanely high bounty? I could be wrong, but I'm starting to wonder if that's the right way to go about it.
Then there's the concern that if we do achieve root, it'll be so late in the game that no one will be developing for our S5 at that point and will have moved on to another device.
Thoughts?
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These are legitimate concerns that should have you reevaluating your next purchase based on carrier and manufacturer. The goal is to make AT&T and Verizon phones secure enough for the military and business accounts. That is where the big bucks lie for those carriers. Sprint and T-mobile are more geared towards the average pedestrian with their lower price plans and limited coverage, therefore do not worry about locked bootloaders and super secure phones. Other manufacturers such as HTC provide unlock to those seeking it and root has been very easy.
As for developer discussions regarding root...you have seen what the bounty threads turn into...with all that bickering and name calling it is not conducive to a development environment, so those people actually hampered progress. I am sure discussions are going on in private in some IRC channel without the needless interruptions and constant requests for ETA and "Are we there yet." And as mentioned there is a lot more $$$ in the private sectors rather than claim a half bounty and have a free root available.
I'm really regretting my purchase of the S5 without having root, and to hear that it may never come is really concerning.
Welp, sounds like it's time for me to bite the bullet then. I'm thinking I'll post my phone to Craigslist as looking to sell or trade for a T-mobile version. Worse-comes-to-worst, I'll ebay the phone for what I can get, and pay out of pocket the difference for a new one.
Raises a new question: international version or just a different U.S. carrier's?
The carriers are getting work and ideas from us, then adding those features to the phones. Then locking them up (Bootloaders, No Root) because - Like Kenny says, they want to be more secure for corporations. Some people use root for bad things like (Not paying for apps and Xposed modules blocking ads, and other things that they don't want us doing) I use root for LONG LASTING BATTERY LIFE and getting rid of bloatware apps running in the background I dont even use. Yes, it sucks we can't do the things we use to but, they have made it so we can Turn Off apps, Long Lasting battery with the Ultra Power Save feature, etc......(Things we did with root are now coming on the phone >Stole those ideas from us<
EDIT: LETS GO KINGO, YOU CAN DO IT !!!!!! Maybe soon Kingo can produce a root option. That would be awesome. I'm not leaving At&t, been there for 18 years. Great coverage and customer service has been awesome to me !!!
Don't need root for getting apps for free. Ever heard of Aptoide?
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LoopingCreeper said:
Don't need root for getting apps for free. Ever heard of Aptoide?
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Well, you know what I mean. They don't want us to have Root Access. You can do a lot of things with root man.
LuckyColdJohnson said:
Well, you know what I mean. They don't want us to have Root Access. You can do a lot of things with root man.
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I know what your mean. Freedom can be used to get in app purchaces for free. That is kinda getting apps for free and it requires root.
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For me, ans more of a power user, the Root abilities were to get a smooother better battery life custom solution. I used Adaway and some apps for better performance. Other than that, root didnt mean much to me. I do miss the rebel aspect of it and that alone rather makes me wish I had bought the HTC M8 instead of the S5 last week.
Best of luck to the Devs that find us a root or AT&T to provide unlocking.
I'm with you guys. I'm just out to up my battery life, remove ads (admittedly. Can you blame me?), and have a few hardware changes, like reassigning buttons, switching music with my volume keys and such.
Biggest want? Titanium backup. I relied on that app more than I'd like to admit, as well as TWRP or ClockWork (depending on the phone/ROM I was using at the time).
It's just nice to be free with something I bought full price, SO I COULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO DO WHAT I WANTED WITH IT.
Either way, We'll see what happens. All I want is root permissions.
Here's a curious thought, though. The AT&T S4 isn't rooted, but they have a workaround (loki mod). Anyone know if something like that is in the works for us?
I agree. Hopefully we will get an Root option (Maybe Kingo will come through again like with the Note 3) but their saying nobody has a root option for 4.4 on At&t phones. Don't see much talk about almost getting there as well. Chainfire was also saying that new Android firmware is about to start breaking root apps. 4.4.3 and on could be the start to the end of custom roms and root for Samsung devices (At&t). I too thought about going with an HTC device, I just love the S5's camera. I don't know what to think about these new phones man. It was so much fun installing and customizing our phones how we wanted to. Its sad and depressing watching these loved things go away. I'm not on my phone as much anymore.
I'm personally getting ready to purchase another device, I love my GS5 even tho it isn't rooted but I'm just not liking the size of it. I got it for $10 with my team member discount but I think I'm going to either get a T-Mobile one or European S5. Idk I want to stay with Samsung but this whole locked phone thing is discouraging.
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I agree. Hopefully we will get an Root option (Maybe Kingo will come through again like with the Note 3) but their saying nobody has a root option for 4.4 on At&t phones. Don't see much talk about almost getting there as well. Chainfire was also saying that new Android firmware is about to start breaking root apps. 4.4.3 and on could be the start to the end of custom roms and root for Samsung devices (At&t). I too thought about going with an HTC device, I just love the S5's camera. I don't know what to think about these new phones man. It was so much fun installing and customizing our phones how we wanted to. Its sad and depressing watching these loved things go away. I'm not on my phone as much anymore.
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That's the only reason I kept and probably will keep my Nexus 5...
Colerunn said:
I might be speaking out of an uninformed thought here, but I'm concerned about our root status.
With the bounty being as high as it is, and me not being able to find anywhere that the Devs are collaborating, what are the odds it is taking so long (or even might NOT happen) because there is no developer collaboration for the insanely high bounty? I could be wrong, but I'm starting to wonder if that's the right way to go about it.
Then there's the concern that if we do achieve root, it'll be so late in the game that no one will be developing for our S5 at that point and will have moved on to another device.
Thoughts?
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I've seen maybe one or two times since I've been a member of XDA where a bounty worked achieve root or an unlocked bootloader. Honestly, I doubt many of the devs who work on that type of stuff bought an AT&T S5. If it was me, I would have gone T-Mobile or International, as I'm sure most have.
Also, as someone said above, not everyone pays their pledges. The longer a bounty lasts, the bigger chance people who have pledged early have moved on or are not following anymore. I'm willing to bet that if a bounty was close to 2K, the most a dev could hope for is maybe $500, if their lucky. That's still quite a bit of money, but no where near what was pledged. Past experiences dictate present actions.
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KennyG123 said:
These are legitimate concerns that should have you reevaluating your next purchase based on carrier and manufacturer. The goal is to make AT&T and Verizon phones secure enough for the military and business accounts. That is where the big bucks lie for those carriers. Sprint and T-mobile are more geared towards the average pedestrian with their lower price plans and limited coverage, therefore do not worry about locked bootloaders and super secure phones. Other manufacturers such as HTC provide unlock to those seeking it and root has been very easy.
As for developer discussions regarding root...you have seen what the bounty threads turn into...with all that bickering and name calling it is not conducive to a development environment, so those people actually hampered progress. I am sure discussions are going on in private in some IRC channel without the needless interruptions and constant requests for ETA and "Are we there yet." And as mentioned there is a lot more $$$ in the private sectors rather than claim a half bounty and have a free root available.
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The carriers should make separate phones for consumers and businesses. That would be great.
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The carriers should make separate phones for consumers and businesses. That would be great.
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Some do...sort of...they are called developer's editions and you usually have to wait a few months for their release.
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Some do...sort of...they are called developer's editions and you usually have to wait a few months for their release.
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Hey KennyG, I just got the s5 Active, will y'all be opening up a thread for that soon? Thanks
Colerunn said:
Welp, sounds like it's time for me to bite the bullet then. I'm thinking I'll post my phone to Craigslist as looking to sell or trade for a T-mobile version. Worse-comes-to-worst, I'll ebay the phone for what I can get, and pay out of pocket the difference for a new one.
Raises a new question: international version or just a different U.S. carrier's?
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MetroPCS S5 for $649+ $30 unlock code from cellunlocker-dot-net and you have a wide open west device ready for custom recovery/roms, the works. Also will be carrier unlocked and completely unbranded. Radio has all the LTE bands for TMO and ATT, LTE works. Was using Alliance Rom at the time.
I did sell mine and picked up an M8. Just prefer the feel in hand, 32GB (what was SEC thinking 16GB on a top tier device!) and of course the IPS LCD just looks better to my old, tired eyes than the SuperAMOLED+. Of course everyone's preferences are different.
If you're a night owl and prefer full darkness viewing the AMOLED displays can't be beat. Using LUX I was able to turn down the brightness to just about nothing and the contrast is still outstanding. LCDs (of course) wash out since they do have finite limits of contrast at low levels...
But in normal environments, wow, the IPS display looks spectacular...
In any case, expecting root on an ATT device these days is probably going to lead to major disappointment. Personally, I'd rather use an iOS device than a locked bootloader device (S4/S5).
When you're used to having the freedom of root and can no longer do the things you get used to it's like a punishment, having virtual shackles around your feet and expected to run a 10K on a day with 80 degree dewpoints. Oh yes and with a family of hungry black bears right behind you...
LuckyColdJohnson said:
Hey KennyG, I just got the s5 Active, will y'all be opening up a thread for that soon? Thanks
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Not really needed if it is just as locked down and basically same hardware will see how it goes.
Ok i found a thread about a similar version of note 3, and likely there will be those who question why i might go this route for a note 4 but honedtly its the only way i could ever come close to getting a phone this expensive. To the point , i bought my note 4 from rent a center. Way too much money but 30 bucks a week i can do even though in the end it will be astronomically expensive. well its a t mobile device running on at&t through net 10, but theres a couple interesting things. First i checked knox and it was tripped from begginning. It was definetly a new phone no doubt about that.. so hey i can root with no reprecussions and have. Im rooted with twrp now. The other interesting thing is the build of kitkat. It notes rac-conversa in the build name see image.
Now my questions are, whats thoughts on the knox , i dont need it anyway, and next im wondering if the different build and or carrier and model combination going to be problematic when flashing roms or other things.. the build lacks any carrier bloat which is nice and even lacks some of samsungs bloat.
Id like to compare build props with a typical tmo note among other comparisons. Noe i have been flashing and rooting for years but this is my first samsung device. And while im not a developer i do kno a fair bit about coding ,building roms and such im hoping i wont have to utilize that knowledge to flash roms to the note though...
Really would like some thoughts and to see if anyone else has this device or knows of it.
Definitely flash it. I would almost guarantee RAC has a tracking of some kind in that ROM should you decide not to pay. Or, some sort of remote kill anyway.
I'm currently using the S6 Edge on T-Mo and haven't upgraded to 5.1.1 because I've read here that people have had issues with their device after rooting on 5.1.1. I did the Ping Pong method to root my S6 Edge, but apparently the loophole was patched in 5.1.1, which is why things got a little screwy? Pardon my noobness if any of my terminology is off...
Anyway, I heavily rely on Unlimited Tethering and it's pretty much the only reason I root these days.
With 5.1.1 patched, is there even a possibility of rooting the T-Mo variant of the Note 5 anytime soon? Or should I not even pre-order?
Thanks in advance for any guidance.
I am still on KK 4.4.4 and do you think I should stay or upgrade?
I luv my unlimited tethering. I am surfing on my Windows laptop unlimited.
I have no inside knowledge. Just years of running the rooting gauntlet with the phones listed in my sig. Odds are, yes, the Note 5 will be rooted. Samsung is arguably the most watched and targeted handset maker by developers. It's a prize that motivates. But there is no guarantee, and lollipop has shown some resistance to rooting.
Chainfire will have one soon
Even if CF Root breaks Samsung pay and trips Knox, I'm okay with it because I'm not a believer in consolidating all my card(s) into a device.
Even though there's supposed to be a different number that generates every time, my number is stored somewhere by someone else other than my credit card company and myself. I'm probably being naive, but I'm still too scared, lol.
Anyway, back on topic, if there's a root, I'll most definitely get the Note 5. If not, I have to consider either Moto X Pure Edition or bum an invite off of my friend with the One Plus Two.
Fingers crossed for Note 5 root!
Looking for ROOT for AT&T S6 Edge G925AUCS4CPF1? "I do not care if it trips KNOX!"
Honestly I searched here first then went to multiple root forums, and I'm seeing the same thing continuously. That there is no ROOT available for my Baseband Version that does not trip KNOX. Its getting pretty aggravating as I have seen multiple people needing this ROOT. I know a lot more have started to appear just in the past two weeks, or so. I am to the point now that I do not care if it trips KNOX! I do not use Samsung Pay to be honest, and this is just my spare phone anyways! All I care about, is that the phones day by day operations are still accessible and functioning. Any ROOT available at this time, or any info on a possible root date would be nice. If you do know of a ROOT available that will trip KNOX, however you are sure there will be a possible non tripping method released soon Please inform me, if I ever do plan on selling the device it is easier to sell with all functions available!
Thank you much in advance for any info towards this!
Phone Info:
Brand: Samsung
Android Version: 6.0.1
Model: SM-G925A
Baseband Version: G925AUCS4CPF1
Sorry to inform but there is no root and almost certainly won't be in the future
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There is no tripping OR non-tripping method.
Yeah it just won't happen, I'd suggest going with another carrier. I believe other carriers have root for this phone or even going with the international version of the device. Honestly the days of root on an AT&T Samsung device are just over from what I've seen these last couple of years
Well this really makes my phone useless now, I just got stuck with 6.01 on an insurance replacement and now all my functions are gone because of no root.
Can anyone recommend another phone as an equal to the Galaxy
spazzticstray said:
Honestly I searched here first then went to multiple root forums, and I'm seeing the same thing continuously. That there is no ROOT available for my Baseband Version that does not trip KNOX. Its getting pretty aggravating as I have seen multiple people needing this ROOT. I know a lot more have started to appear just in the past two weeks, or so. I am to the point now that I do not care if it trips KNOX! I do not use Samsung Pay to be honest, and this is just my spare phone anyways! All I care about, is that the phones day by day operations are still accessible and functioning. Any ROOT available at this time, or any info on a possible root date would be nice. If you do know of a ROOT available that will trip KNOX, however you are sure there will be a possible non tripping method released soon Please inform me, if I ever do plan on selling the device it is easier to sell with all functions available!
Thank you much in advance for any info towards this!
Phone Info:
Brand: Samsung
Android Version: 6.0.1
Model: SM-G925A
Baseband Version: G925AUCS4CPF1
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Get a nexus 6 for $200 on eBay