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Hello everyone! I'm thinking of getting rid of my Note 4 and getting either a Xperia Z3 or a Nexus 6. Don't get me wrong, the Note 4 is a great device, but for the money, the amount of lag and terrible low-light and indoor pictures and pretty bad battery life is just too much for me.
The most important things for me are:
Battery life
Performance (multitasking)
Camera
All the blogs said the Note 4 was the device for me, but over the last 3 roms I haven't been able to fix ANY of these issues.
How's the Nexus 6? Are you guys generally speaking happy with it? Has anyone played with the Note 4 and could maybe shine some light on their opinion and experiences? Thanks!
UPDATE:
I've pulled the trigger, photography examples are here. Quite surprising if you ask me:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=61486380&postcount=60
zkyevolved said:
Hello everyone! I'm thinking of getting rid of my Note 4 and getting either a Xperia Z3 or a Nexus 6. Don't get me wrong, the Note 4 is a great device, but for the money, the amount of lag and terrible low-light and indoor pictures and pretty bad battery life is just too much for me.
The most important things for me are:
Battery life
Performance (multitasking)
Camera
All the blogs said the Note 4 was the device for me, but over the last 3 roms I haven't been able to fix ANY of these issues.
How's the Nexus 6? Are you guys generally speaking happy with it? Has anyone played with the Note 4 and could maybe shine some light on their opinion and experiences? Thanks!
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I've had the note 4. Lived the screen and the software actually wasn't half bad but there was lag, especially in the multitasking section. Also battery life was pretty bad and the phone heated up substantially even with little usage and of course saying that it's not on latest android software (which isn't a big thing for most). Just got the nexus 6 a few days and was completely blown away by how solid it is. Speakers are much louder than the HTC one m8 in certain situations (Spotify streaming seems to be on par) but in the vine app the videos are super loud and clear. Being on latest software is great and the screen itself being a 6 inch 2k display is very useful and not over kill at all although I do with the screen was more on the cooler side. Last but not least the development community of course is outstanding in the nexus community so overall the nexus is a solid choice. I've also had the z2 which is the same as the z3 is great but if your a modder/developer than you'll stay away as there isn't much. Only thing going for the z3 is the screen and battery life. I consistently got over 5 to 6 hours of screen on time on the z2 stock which I miss but not enough to go back lol
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If you don't mind me asking, how is the camera and battery life on the nexus 6? I have read multiple sites and videos. They're all over the place. Some say the camera is awesome while others no. Other sites say that the battery life is good. Others say it's terrible... How does it compare with the note 4 and z2? I'm more intrigued by the nexus to be honest. Haha.
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zkyevolved said:
If you don't mind me asking, how is the camera and battery life on the nexus 6? I have read multiple sites and videos. They're all over the place. Some say the camera is awesome while others no. Other sites say that the battery life is good. Others say it's terrible... How does it compare with the note 4 and z2? I'm more intrigued by the nexus to be honest. Haha.
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Batterylife is about 4-5 hours screenontime depending on usage off course. And for me the camera is quite good (not Galaxy S6 good) especialy with sufficient light, pics are crisp and detailled and colors are quite accurate. I`ve had all the Notes too but the N6 will grow on you i`am sure. And it has very good speakers btw.
Camera is great, but I'm not a "picture taker". Love the app, A Better Camera. Takes full advantage of all 13mp. Battery life varies heavily on kernel and the settings you chose. I can go a couple days. I don't really worry about battery life though. Ex. I had 12% and ran a short errund, 20 min at most. When I got back battery was 93%. Hail to the turbo charge...
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zkyevolved said:
If you don't mind me asking, how is the camera and battery life on the nexus 6? I have read multiple sites and videos. They're all over the place. Some say the camera is awesome while others no. Other sites say that the battery life is good. Others say it's terrible... How does it compare with the note 4 and z2? I'm more intrigued by the nexus to be honest. Haha.
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Lol well I never take pictures. I did however take a few shots when I got it. The pictures seem good but then again I'm no professional. The battery life is OK to say the least when I first got it but it settled down after a few days. I'm now on chroma ROM stock nothing changed but the rom itself and I just pushed over 5 hours SOT. On bone stock before I rooted I believe I was getting a little over 3 hours with heavy gmail refreshing/internet browsing(chrome)/xda /YouTube watching and mostly all on T-Mobile LTE with db of around -109 to -112 at the place I work so id say it's pretty good honestly. If you root and ROM like most people do then you'll exceed those stock limitations for sure as evidence of me.
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I don't like to mod or root my devices. So it would have to be stock everything. Camera performance is important to me, as is the ability to spend the day being able to take pictures. I could kill my phone with an afternoon of capturing some snapshots. Haha.
Knowing that I wouldn't root my device, would you still recommend it? ^_^ thanks.
zkyevolved said:
I don't like to mod or root my devices. So it would have to be stock everything. Camera performance is important to me, as is the ability to spend the day being able to take pictures. I could kill my phone with an afternoon of capturing some snapshots. Haha.
Knowing that I wouldn't root my device, would you still recommend it? ^_^ thanks.
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Yeah definitely. The phone itself is a beast. Love the form factor, the screen, the speakers, stock software. The camera itself is fast and very simplistic, although it could use more manual camera options like the s6, but I'm sure you can download a camera off the play store with such options and of course you can record video in 4k so overall its not a bad contender what so ever.
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Just got my N6 Wednesday. Completely stock I'm getting 6-7 hrs sot. Web browsing, YouTube etc. Camera is OK but it's not something that is important to me. I don't take many pictures. Quick charge works well. I came from a note 3. It was a good phone but I like this phone better. Better battery life than I ever got with the N3.
Stock... You've got a great camera. Again battery life is good, its a rather hefty one, but depends on you. How you use it, WiFi vs data, downloads, streaming etc. Basically battery life is in your control.
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Stock... You've got a great camera. Again battery life is good, its a rather hefty one, but depends on you. How you use it, WiFi vs data, downloads, streaming etc. Basically battery life is in your control.
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I understand that. That's why I'm so ticked about note 4... My usage is minimal. I am on Wi-Fi 90% of the time. My phone has been off the charger for an hour and this is the first time I've picked it up in an hour and it's already down 4%. Samsung did something horribly wrong.
I also have an awesome Nokia dt-903 wireless charger which I miss using since I switched my Nokia 1520. Haha. So as long as battery is good enough to last a day with normal usage, like taking some pictures, browsing the web for 20 minutes a day, and answering whatsapp and line messages throughout the day, then I'm happy. [emoji1]
Thank you for your reply!
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zkyevolved said:
I understand that. That's why I'm so ticked about note 4... My usage is minimal. I am on Wi-Fi 90% of the time. My phone has been off the charger for an hour and this is the first time I've picked it up in an hour and it's already down 4%. Samsung did something horribly wrong.
I also have an awesome Nokia dt-903 wireless charger which I miss using since I switched my Nokia 1520. Haha. So as long as battery is good enough to last a day with normal usage, like taking some pictures, browsing the web for 20 minutes a day, and answering whatsapp and line messages throughout the day, then I'm happy. [emoji1]
Thank you for your reply!
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I`am sure the N6 will not be a letdown i`am sure, i would advice to buy the 64GB version (if available) as there is no sdcard tray to expand memory. As for the size you`re hands and brain will be used to it within 2 days and after that most other phones will look tiny
gee2012 said:
I`am sure the N6 will not be a letdown i`am sure, i would advice to buy the 64GB version (if available) as there is no sdcard tray to expand memory. As for the size you`re hands and brain will be used to it within 2 days and after that most other phones will look tiny
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Haha. No doubt. I have the note 4 now. Before I had the Nokia 1520, another 6 inch device. But that one wouldn't allow me to sit down with the phone in my pocket. Haha. And I was counting on getting the 64gb model. ?
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For sure. Unfortunately Verizon only had 32gb. That being said I have had phone a while and have multirom with 2 extras. Still over 17gb left. If you need it, get it!
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$50 price difference is nothing. I remember "needing" 64 on iPhone 5S and paid, what 200 more. Foolish
zkyevolved said:
I understand that. That's why I'm so ticked about note 4... My usage is minimal. I am on Wi-Fi 90% of the time. My phone has been off the charger for an hour and this is the first time I've picked it up in an hour and it's already down 4%. Samsung did something horribly wrong.
I also have an awesome Nokia dt-903 wireless charger which I miss using since I switched my Nokia 1520. Haha. So as long as battery is good enough to last a day with normal usage, like taking some pictures, browsing the web for 20 minutes a day, and answering whatsapp and line messages throughout the day, then I'm happy. [emoji1]
Thank you for your reply!
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Note looks like a great phone. If I had TMO or Sprint it would of been a tough call. Do they still have external SD?
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Note looks like a great phone. If I had TMO or Sprint it would of been a tough call. Do they still have external SD?
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Yep. I toyed with the idea of a note 4, then I remembered id had a Samsung before.
zkyevolved said:
Hello everyone! I'm thinking of getting rid of my Note 4 and getting either a Xperia Z3 or a Nexus 6. Don't get me wrong, the Note 4 is a great device, but for the money, the amount of lag and terrible low-light and indoor pictures and pretty bad battery life is just too much for me.
The most important things for me are:
Battery life
Performance (multitasking)
Camera
All the blogs said the Note 4 was the device for me, but over the last 3 roms I haven't been able to fix ANY of these issues.
How's the Nexus 6? Are you guys generally speaking happy with it? Has anyone played with the Note 4 and could maybe shine some light on their opinion and experiences? Thanks!
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I did this switch and haven't looked back since dropping my note 4 for the nexus 6.
I've had the Note 4 , 2 of them between me and my GF, and have been using the Nexus 6 for about 3 weeks now..
My Note 4 experience has been nothing like the OP. I got great battery ( mostly on LTE all day ...RF around -90 to -105db ...SOT almost 7 hrs), neither of the two Notes heated up to an uncomfortable level, the camera on both N4s has been stellar and way better than the Nexus 6 ! The Note 4 had a bit of lag but that was resolved ( at least for me ) when animations were toned down to 0.5x under Developer Options.
If camera, especially in low light situations, and battery are your priorities, stay away from the Nexus 6 ! I love the Nexus 6 but not for its camera or battery.
If it wasn't my impatience for the latest FW w/o rooting, I would have def. kept the Note 4 ! I wish there was a GPE version of the N4!!
I have no experience with the Z3, so can't comment on that device.
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Haha. No doubt. I have the note 4 now. Before I had the Nokia 1520, another 6 inch device. But that one wouldn't allow me to sit down with the phone in my pocket. Haha. And I was counting on getting the 64gb model. ?
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Samsung is a good phone. TMO and Sprint service is pathetic. At least here. So having Verizon I went with S5 after years of apple. Glad I did. And thanks to whomever, I was able to get a developer ed. I do miss sdcard a little, but removable battery was NICE. Hardly ever had to charge. Just swap to a fresh bat. I think Sammy is going away from those perks now so now it would be an easy choice....
Yeah, that's what I keep hearing. I guess I'll stick with my Note 4 a little while longer to see what happens with Samsung and their ROMS.
I went to a shop yesterday and did a camera test, and wow... I mean, the detail on the Nexus 6 is fine... But ... What a difference in camera quality...
It seems quite a few people in this 6T group also own the Pixel 3 or 3XL. Other than the lower price of the 6T and the better camera of the Pixel. Which one do you all think is the better phone all around and why?
The reason I ask is that BestBuy will be offering $200 off the Pixel 3/3 XL during Black Friday which would put the Pixel price in line (close enough) with the 6T. With that being said, which phone would you buy for around the same price?
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It seems quite a few people in this 6T group also own the Pixel 3 or 3XL. Other than the lower price of the 6T and the better camera of the Pixel. Which one do you all think is the better phone all around and why?
The reason I ask is that BestBuy will be offering $200 off the Pixel 3/3 XL during Black Friday which would put the Pixel price in line (close enough) with the 6T. With that being said, which phone would you buy for around the same price?
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I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
bp328i said:
I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
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What about battery life between the two, that is worrying me about the 3 or 3XL. The 6T seems to have respectable battery life, while the Pixel seems to struggle in that category.
Also, you stated performance on both of them is basically the same. That is another worry for me in regard to the Pixel, as it seems the 6T blows out the Pixel in raw numbers when the review sites do tests, does that translate to day-to-day usage?
Do you find the 4GB in the Pixel lags behind the 8GB in the 6T?
Are you using both phones on the same carrier? If so, how is the reception/signal strength between the two?
If you would pick the Pixel as you wrote, then why are you using your OnePlus as your daily?
bp328i said:
I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
Agreed and don't think 4gb will be an issue for normal users. I do believe OP will always hold more in memory.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
Again agree it's a world of difference but having a ported camera from Pixel helps and for me solves the issue.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
I don't hate the notch on the pixel unless I watch full screen YouTube or something. 6t is not intrusive ever for me. That said I prefer the notch there then having Nacho.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
Disagree slightly overall because of the memory issue the pixel feels and acts faster when switching apps etc. I had to trlurn off adaptive battery so that pixel runs smooth at all otherwise it would refresh screen all the time. Haptic feedback is really nice in pixel.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
I returned the pixel and kept OP.
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Battery on OP WAY better then xl too. Screen better on pixel...feel and build I prefer the pixel too. Not that there is anything wrong with OP just the pixel is nice. I hate not having wireless charging and proprietary charging but the charging is soooo fast. Day to day speed is or will be the same on both imo once Google fixes ram issue. Whatever frustrations I have with OP5t that made me go to pixel 2 xl are now gone on the 6t and the software changes op made are very nice that and their guesture makes it feel like true full screen phone just looks like next gen.
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What about battery life between the two, that is worrying me about the 3 or 3XL. The 6T seems to have respectable battery life, while the Pixel seems to struggle in that category.
Also, you stated performance on both of them is basically the same. That is another worry for me in regard to the Pixel, as it seems the 6T blows out the Pixel in raw numbers when the review sites do tests, does that translate to day-to-day usage?
Do you find the 4GB in the Pixel lags behind the 8GB in the 6T?
I have Verizon, which carrier do you have? If Verizon, how is the reception/signal strength between the two?
If you would pick the Pixel as you wrote, then why are you using your OnePlus as your daily?
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I get all day battery life on both phones, I would have to say the OnePlus is a little bit better on battery life but I've never had to look for a plug while using my Pixel.
The reason why review sites are showing that the OnePlus numbers are beating the Pixel is because Google underclocked the Snapdragon 845, a custom kernel will fix that. It really does not translate in day-to-day use. The Pixel is as smooth of a phone as you are going to find.
I personally don't think the 4 gigs of RAM are going to make that much of a difference once Google fixes the RAM management problem.
T-Mobile here.
I said if I could only buy one. I will switch between phones weekly because I get bored. I used my Pixel for about 2 weeks and now I'm using my OnePlus.
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Battery on OP WAY better then xl too. Screen better on pixel...feel and build I prefer the pixel too. Not that there is anything wrong with OP just the pixel is nice. I hate not having wireless charging and proprietary charging but the charging is soooo fast. Day to day speed is or will be the same on both imo once Google fixes ram issue.
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bp328i said:
I get all day battery life on both phones, I would have to say the OnePlus is a little bit better on battery life but I've never had to look for a plug while using my Pixel.
The reason why review sites are showing that the OnePlus numbers are beating the Pixel is because Google underclocked the Snapdragon 845, a custom kernel will fix that. It really does not translate in day-to-day use. The Pixel is as smooth of a phone as you are going to find.
I personally don't think the 4 gigs of RAM are going to make that much of a difference once Google fixes the RAM management problem.
T-Mobile here.
I said if I could only buy one. I will switch between phones weekly because I get bored. I used my Pixel for about 2 weeks and now I'm using my OnePlus.
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Do you use both on T-Mobile? Can you let me know how the signal strength/reception is on both phones?
The two big cons...
You get used to the notch they say, and I did. What I didn't get used to was the incredible waste of space to either side of it. They could have stacked two full rows of notifications in there and it would fit, not sort of fit, fit. As it is that space is wasted and I kept seeing that and in turn that would make me "see" or notice the notch. I'd seriously fire whoever made the choices on the notification area because it doesn't end there. unlike here and elsewhere if you decide to hide the notch it pushes the notifications down into the screen below the notch giving you a huge empty forehead and the screen that remains is actually less than the 5T, seriously, I had them side by side and actual usable screen is less with the notch hidden. Go back visible notch and you get to see all that wasted space again, for me there was no win. Also if you watch a video the 6T notch is like a pimple on your own nose and soon forgotten, do it on the Pixel and it's a huge pimple on your bosses nose that you have to actively try and pretend isn't there. Will you be the same? Some say yes, some say no, for me it was a definite no.
Then you have the ram management or lack of ram, I'm not going to argue over which it is and don't care. Going into recents pretty much meant waiting for the app to reopen which is so 2014; it's another thing that drove me crazy. I already knew I was running in the upper 5s of used ram with my 5T so while I do expect it would have got better both with a Goog fix and in the roms I'm pretty sure it will never be as good as it is here, which is to say flawless. Apps pretty much just pop open every time, not sure if I can recall a single app redraw so far.
Then you've got the recents/app drawer cludge which combines with the worst gestures I've ever encountered. I'm sure you've seen it in videos so I'm not going to try and paint a picture, I will say it's worse in use than it appears in a review. This one is easily fixed by installing a third party launcher and then getting rid of Googs idiotic gestures for one of the options off the market. To sum it up, the whole purpose of nav gestures is to get rid of the nav bar which gives you useable space on screen. Think about it, no gesture can ever really be easier than hitting an icon, the best they can do is equal that ease so failing to give you the screen space means you made someones life harder and gave them nothing. Total fail. Someone should be fired fail. If I were in charge of the person who sigined off on this nav/recents/gesture cludge I would fire him. No notice, excorted out of the building right now firing. The escort would be two thugs who hit his head on every hard point between his office and the curb where he was tossed. They're that bad.
So now you're thinking I hated the phone, not true, lets get into the pros...
The screen is beautiful everywhere it isn't being wasted or cut into by a cancerous tumer. I had mine up against a 6T in the store and there is no question where the better screen quality lies, it's all Pixel in that department. Wasn't just me saying that, all the store guys where over because the store was empty and they hadn't seen a Pixel in the flesh. All of us were in agreement.
You've also got the sofware experience. it's all slick and refined in a way that is unmatched in the Android ecosystem. The dialer with it's screening, spam block, and so on, the music id on the lock, etc. The phone may seem feature poor but in use it is a very pleasant device to own.
The camera is top tier. I think Goog is running out of picture refinement in software though because you can see areas like telephoto where phones with dedicated glass are getting better results now. They have added some useful features on the other hand, for example being able to pick a different picture besides the one you clicked actually works. Those who have kids will recall how getting a good photo can be a trail, they're in focus but you missed the moment, you caught the moment but it couldn't quite focus on a target that was moving fast, etc. I was able to get a few pictures of my grandkids that would have been junk but were salvaged by the feature. What I like about the camera is something it shares with the latest from Samsung and Apple, you can just point it at something and have a good expectation of a decent shot. I'm not talking art, I'm saying you got what was there and it's in focus with reasonably accurate color. It's a camera you can use without skills and a camera you can trust.
All in all I really liked the Pixel in use but the hardware is behind the curve and no matter how shiny you make it the hardware turd still lies below the polish. I went into a Tmo store to scope the 6T and when I went home I immediately called Fi and returned the phone and ordered a 6T as soon as I got done with that call. If I had my choice I'd get a 6T that had the Goog rom on it and with the higher quality screen from the Pixel but I didn't, I had to choose one before I ran out of the return window. I really couldn't get past that notch or more particularly the wasted space beside it. Seeing it next to the 6T and 5T really put it into perspective for me, what an utter fail when a year old mid range phone has more useable space than a brand new 1000 dollar flagship. I'll be a potential customer for the Pixel 4 assuming they get their hardware up to snuff with other flagships, the software experience was IMO best in class.
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Do you use both on T-Mobile? Can you let me know how the signal strength/reception is on both phones?
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Sorry, I should of been more clear in my question. I was referring to the actual signal strength for phone calls, etc. Do you notice if one phone or the other holds signals stronger than the other? Do you notice one phone may not have a signal while the other phone still has a signal?
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Sorry, I should of been more clear in my question. I was referring to the actual signal strength for phone calls, etc. Do you notice if one phone or the other holds signals stronger than the other? Do you notice one phone may not have a signal while the other phone still has a signal?
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that will be a little tougher to answer because I don't take both phones with me normally but I will carry them both for the next couple of days just to look that stuff over.
I haven't had an issue on either one with signal.
Hard to say, but the fact that I have double the Ram, a bigger battery, arguably better notch design, 4x the storage for about $300 less (depends on tax rate where you live.)
Pixel 3 XL has dual speakers, but they don't sound good at all. Wireless charging is a plus, but not a deal breaker. Higher resolution screen, but it isn't a huge difference (and I care about that a lot.) Active edges is pointless when you have OK Google and holding the home button does the same thing. Camera is AMAZING (but where tf is 60fps???), even at night without Night Shot, but the wide angle setup on the front reminds me of the LG V20 Wide angle back lens, very fishy. Battery lasts all day so that's cool, but no chance of 2 day battery life without being strict on usage. Stock and prioritized software updates are awesome, but OxygenOS is always going to have the same, if not more feature (Always on display is helpful maybe 70% of my experiences.) Again, the speaker setup is such a disappointment.
OnePlus 6T has a single speaker setup, but it sounds clearer and possibly even louder. But it is downward firing rather than forward. Hard to say if the camera is better because I haven't been about to directly compare it, but low light images are amazing, even without the night mode on. Telephoto would have been nice, but neither phone has it. The OnePlus 6T can do 4k60fps and 1080p60fps video, while the Pixel 3 XL can only do 1080p60fps, BUT YOU CAN'T SET IT TO PERMANENTLY FILM 60FPS (look it up, it's sad). Front camera works, but the Pixel 3 XL's focuses, so the Pixel 3 XL can capture more quality, regardless of the MP count. Battery is larger and should get better battery life, and so far has proven to be the case. The chin on the bottom is almost non existent, and you rarely notice it when using the phone. Fingerprint scanner under the screen is perfect for checking your phone on the desk, but isn't as accurate as the Pixel 3 XL (though the speed is pretty much the same when it is working, which for me is ~75% of the time.) Design is all opinion based, but the OP6T seems to be easier to hold in the hands and less slippery, also seems lighter, even though it is almost the same weight. Again, the notch is nicer looking on here when compared to the Pixel 3 XL.
Clearly the winner for the money is the OnePlus 6T, but the Pixel 3 XL holds up if you don't care about the price. If the OnePlus 6T has dual speakers I would say it's the winner regardless of price.
Pixel 3 XL for the CAMERA, SCREEN, WIRELESS CHARGING
OnePlus 6T for the STORAGE/MEMORY, SOFTWARE, DESIGN, FINGERPRINT SCANNER, BATTERY, 60FPS RECORDING (lol)
Something else, which is why I returned my pixel3xl - the microphone quality is aweful. Look on youtube for vids, but it's the same ****ty quality as the pixel2. Combined with a notch the size of kentucky, no facial unlock, meh battery life, disastrous memory management, and camera that saves photos only sometimes, it is a very Beta device and in my opinion worse than the 6t even at the same price. Using the Gcam on the 6t gives me nearly same photo quality so this is a tossup.
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Something else, which is why I returned my pixel3xl - the microphone quality is aweful. Look on youtube for vids, but it's the same ****ty quality as the pixel2. Combined with a notch the size of kentucky, no facial unlock, meh battery life, disastrous memory management, and camera that saves photos only sometimes, it is a very Beta device and in my opinion worse than the 6t even at the same price. Using the Gcam on the 6t gives me nearly same photo quality so this is a tossup.
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But gcam on 6T is not up to Pixel 3 level yet, we can only hope it will reach there
I'm actually thinking of picking up the 3xl myself I was going to sell my iPhone X which I finally upgraded from that abomination of a "phone" to the 6T and just have it laying around. Then was going to choose which I wanted to keep the 3xl or 6T or both. I personally think the camera is pretty bad. I mean it catches details but the focus is horrendous. The other day I was trying to take a video of the monitor to show the specs etc of a computer I was selling, this damn thing wouldn't focus for it's life just kept refocusing every couple of seconds, same thing with close up photos. It's also very much laggy, especially in video compared to my iPhone X. Largely noticeable in snap chat, you can't quickly move the phone otherwise it'll be all blur. Not sure if this is something everyone is experiencing or just my device. This is where the 3xl come in, amazing camera, pure Google, notch? As iPhone X owner I couldn't care less, build quality (6T feels premium-ishh). But from what you guys are saying apparently it's awful phone so now I'm confused as if I should or shouldn't get it.
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I'm actually thinking of picking up the 3xl myself I was going to sell my iPhone X which I finally upgraded from that abomination of a "phone" to the 6T and just have it laying around. Then was going to choose which I wanted to keep the 3xl or 6T or both. I personally think the camera is pretty bad. I mean it catches details but the focus is horrendous. The other day I was trying to take a video of the monitor to show the specs etc of a computer I was selling, this damn thing wouldn't focus for it's life just kept refocusing every couple of seconds, same thing with close up photos. It's also very much laggy, especially in video compared to my iPhone X. Largely noticeable in snap chat, you can't quickly move the phone otherwise it'll be all blur. Not sure if this is something everyone is experiencing or just my device. This is where the 3xl come in, amazing camera, pure Google, notch? As iPhone X owner I couldn't care less, build quality (6T feels premium-ishh). But from what you guys are saying apparently it's awful phone so now I'm confused as if I should or shouldn't get it.
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Pixel 3 XL is not awful by any means.. if you are not bothered about notch, you will be fine... I was in same dilemma whether to get 3 XL or 6T and got 6T.. I will be returning 6T and getting 3 XL... Sole reason is that I am not getting notifications from certain apps on 6T even after disabling all possible settings...but man this OP 6T is amazing in every other aspect.. I can live with 6T with gcam but missing notifications for my critical apps is a no-go for me
Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Wow how crappy LTE do you have in the US? See screenshot.
Norway - OnePlus 6T
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Wow how crappy LTE do you have in the US? See screenshot.
Norway - OnePlus 6T
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Yeah I don't get real high speeds at my house. I live like 2 minutes from the beach. When I go further inland I'm usually up above 100 Mbps.
But yeah I don't think I've ever seen the speed you posted.
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Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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That notch though.. I had everything going for Pixel 3 XL.. but not sure if I can tolerate that notch.. am using OnePlus 6T now and it definitely feels so futuristic...
keaheng said:
Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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I personally like oxygen OS better. It's stock with the perfect tweaks to it. And the ram management is far better. My pixels would close my messaging app when that was the ONLY app in my background. So damn annoying.
Performance and battery life is most essential to me. 6t takes both
Every forum or YouTube videos I watch, all I see is people hating on this phone. I am actually pretty surprised, but how much negativity there is for the Pixel 4 line.
Android police poll, is heavily in the "hell no not buying" as #1
Two big tech forums I belong too, it's like 70% saying no way.
What's the deal?
I have a 64GB Clearly White 4XL on order. I go back to owning, the Nexus-One, Nexus S, Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 4, Motorola Nexus 6, Nexus 6P, Pixel 2 XL, and Pixel 3 XL. And yes I agree, the Pixel 4 XL could have been better, for the price at least do better than OnePlus, give us 8GB RAM, a larger battery of at least 4,000mAh, a brighter display for outdoor use, go easy n the large forehead bezel, like have the thickness if possible. But saying that, I buy the Nexus Pixel line for the software and monthly security updates.
I am interested in seeing the full blown real reviews this week.
For a few reasons:
1. Not priced like a Nexus / 3a
2. No fingerprint sensor
3. Lack of Ultrawide 3rd camera
4. Small battery
5. Removal of Ultrawide front facing camera
6. Removal of front facing speakers
7. Big top bezel for Soli
8. Soli gimmick
9. Removal of unlimited original photo upload
10. No big leap in camera hardware
11. No surprises since it was leaked all over the place
12. Only 6 GB of RAM (finally)
13. Only Snapdragon 855 instead of 855+ processor
Having said all that, I still have one on preorder.
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For a few reasons:
1. Not priced like a Nexus / 3a
2. No fingerprint sensor
3. Lack of Ultrawide 3rd camera
4. Small battery
5. Removal of Ultrawide front facing camera
6. Removal of front facing speakers
7. Big top bezel for Soli
8. Soli gimmick
9. Removal of unlimited original photo upload
10. No big leap in camera hardware
11. No surprises since it was leaked all over the place
12. Only 6 GB of RAM (finally)
13. Only Snapdragon 855 instead of 855+ processor
Having said all that, I still have one on preorder.
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3,9, and 12 are the disappointment for me. But that price thooooo, they could have gotten more attention if only they priced it right.
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Kusanagi Fire said:
For a few reasons:
1. Not priced like a Nexus / 3a
2. No fingerprint sensor
3. Lack of Ultrawide 3rd camera
4. Small battery
5. Removal of Ultrawide front facing camera
6. Removal of front facing speakers
7. Big top bezel for Soli
8. Soli gimmick
9. Removal of unlimited original photo upload
10. No big leap in camera hardware
11. No surprises since it was leaked all over the place
12. Only 6 GB of RAM (finally)
13. Only Snapdragon 855 instead of 855+ processor
Having said all that, I still have one on preorder.
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4 may be an issue for me but everyone's usage is different so I'll wait to see my personal results before I make a final judgement.
6 is a big one for me. Before the 4XL was officially announced, I was aiming to switch from my OnePlus 7 Pro so I could get front facing speakers. I always end up blocking the bottom speaker when watching stuff in landscape mode.
10 could be a reason for me but not too much since I know it's going to be better than my current OnePlus 7 Pro.
12 is similar to my point for reason 4 (wait until I can test myself). Users say Android 10 is RAM hungry so hopefully that 6 GB is enough.
13, Even though it's a slight upgrade, it would have been nice to get the + variant of the processor.
All other reasons I don't mind too much.
But yeah I do think the phone is getting a bit too much hate.
Honestly, just the fact that last year's Pixel 3 got discounted on Black Friday combined with the fact that the 4 isn't a massive leap in hardware / doesn't check some of the minimal requirements like 8 GB RAM, 855+, and Ultrawide camera (granted, there's not much more ground to cover these days) is reason enough for this phone to get tons of hate.
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Today Flossy admitted that he's been using the 3XL all along. He complained about that one much the way he will complain about this one in the full review. He'll says it's too expensive and many other things. Despite that he'll probably end up making it his work phone just as he did the previous Pixels. I wrote about this elsewhere but a search on Youtube will probably be able to find the dude from Unbox Therapy doing a pertinent video. He was in a suite in Vegas with a bunch of other young millionaires, Brownlee for example. The whole video was what is everyone carrying in their pocket, what was the phone they chose to use. The Pixel tied the iphone with few other phones mixed in. Brownlee had both. It wasn't because they were reviewing it, that was well past review time. It was the phone that millionaires who have tried everything and can afford anything decided they wanted in their pockets. There's a message there.
I do get it, the phone is too expensive for the specs, only a mother could love the looks, it's missing feature X and Y. But I'm sure that I'll enjoy using it in the day to day more than any other phone I could buy. It's always been that way. I couldn't make friends with the 3XL, the notch just killed it for me so I got a 6T. Nothing wrong with that phone but the next thing I knew I was picking up a 3AXL, should have been a downgrade, it was by the numbers. Wasn't long before I realized I wasn't going to use the 6T anymore and gave it to one of my grand kids. I've been using the 3A since.
Let the haters hate and enjoy your purchase. Flossy begin his quick look with talk of giving it a fair trial before he hung it, 5 minutes later he was giggling like a schoolgirl. The Pixel does that...
I agree with most here, the Pixel 4 XL could and should have been better;
- 8GB RAM
- 4,300mAh battery ( like the Note 10+ )
- Brighter display on par with the Galaxy S10 line
- Reduce the forehead bezel, to like half the size if possible, or actually do the Note 10 hole punch, and forget the faceID stuff, and keep the fingerprint scanner.
But it's funny, recent phones that I kept the longest last few years has been the Nexus or Pixel. Yeah I'd get bored with them, then I pick up the latest Samsung Galaxy whatever, and within in a few weeks already regret not having the Pixel. One time I went for the iPhone 7 Plus, when it was the hot new phone, and I was bored with my Nexus 6P, wow what a bad decision, not even a month later ran back to the Nexus, mainly because iOS is a Fischer Price kids OS, and totally blows, feels like a decade old operating system. Or I got the Note 5 at launch, was so happy to have that badass phone, but then I tried to turn it into a Nexus, deleting all the Samsung stuff, and downloading every Google app and setting defaults, and tried to make the Note 5 a Nexus Note LOL, where the phone I traded in for the Note 5 was the Motorola Nexus 6, and that thing was just so smooth, so cool, I regretted getting the Note
Point, the Nexus or Pixel phones, may be ugly, and not have the wham bam cool features, but using it day in day out, I just find them most comfortable and a joy. They are simple, they are minimalist, but they just work, and have a special thing about them.
Unfortunately, Google will never win because nothing is ever good enough for people and they will always complain about something.
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Unfortunately, Google will never win because nothing is ever good enough for people and they will always complain about something.
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This!
6GB RAM - My 3xl has 4 and I have ZERO problems running whatever. People need to learn that it's not necessarily about big specs, it's more about optimization. The 4's will run very smoothly with 6. Just because the S10 has 8, and the note has an option of 12 doesn't mean that does anything to speed up the phone.
128GB storage - This option is the same price as the s10 with that same storage. Maybe Google should add a third option with 256? Would that make some of you happy? It would be even more expensive though. But, again, same price as the s10.
Battery - My 3xl has a smaller battery and I get no less than 20+ hours with heavy use. Typically, I'll get 24+ hours on it. With the 90 Hz display being an as needed, I doubt the battery will last less than my 3xl.
Ultrawide camera - I DO have to agree here that it should have that. I know Google's camera's are amazing and this one will definitely be as good as the iPhone or Sammy's, but the ultrawide addition to camera shots would have been nice.
Removal of free original size photo backups - Sooo, Apple NOR Samsung, NOR any other OEM that I'm aware of ever offered this. I'm a system engineer and cloud architect. I'm here to tell you that the amount of storage and bandwidth required for unlimited originals for millions of users is INSANE. You have any idea how much this costs Google? There was no way that would ever last. It's $1.99 and $2.99 per month for the extra storage to keep original backups, plus you get other benefits. Also, grab Google Surveys app and you'll make more than the cost here by far every month. Get over it.
The front facing speakers - Definitely not happy about this. They could have fit the bottom speaker I bet. At least there's still stereo.
Anyway, anyone who wants to hate, please save us all from it and go elsewhere. This phone will be amazing and I'd put it up against ANY other smartphone. It'll be smoother and has release day updates and OS's.
Every year there are people trolling the new pixel (even the Samsung S7 edge though) threads for a couple months after release. It's incredibly stupid. If you don't like the phone, why are you here?
I haven't had time to watch the all reviews yet, but is the 4 XL battery life at least on par with the 3 XL's, or please don't tell me it's actually worse?
My Pixel 3 XL battery life is mediocre, not great, not horrible, I would like better, but certainly not worse, but could makedo with the same battery life. If the 4 XL has worse and less battery life than the Pixel 3 XL, then I need to cancel my preorder.
Zorachus said:
I haven't had time to watch the all reviews yet, but is the 4 XL battery life at least on par with the 3 XL's, or please don't tell me it's actually worse?
My Pixel 3 XL battery life is mediocre, not great, not horrible, I would like better, but certainly not worse, but could makedo with the same battery life. If the 4 XL has worse and less battery life than the Pixel 3 XL, then I need to cancel my preorder.
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I'm trading in my 3xl for the 4xl and I believe the battery life will be the same or better.
It has a larger battery so even the smooth display shouldn't hurt it too much.
The reviews so far today have trashed the 4 but pretty much everyone agreed that the 4xl should be fine.
I'm excited even if the changes are not dramatic from 3xl.
Zorachus said:
I haven't had time to watch the all reviews yet, but is the 4 XL battery life at least on par with the 3 XL's, or please don't tell me it's actually worse?
My Pixel 3 XL battery life is mediocre, not great, not horrible, I would like better, but certainly not worse, but could makedo with the same battery life. If the 4 XL has worse and less battery life than the Pixel 3 XL, then I need to cancel my preorder.
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From The limited reviews and tweets that I have seen, it seems to be holding its own. Averaging between 4 and 6 hours of sot, from the initial reviews. But I'm sure that that will get better, over time, as it learns your usage. Definitely getting through a whole day though, and that's all that's important
I suppose a rooted 4 XL with the Franco kernel and his app Naptime, would extend battery life too?
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I suppose a rooted 4 XL with the Franco kernel and his app Naptime, would extend battery life too?
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Honestly, these days the only reason I root is for custom kernels, and adaway
If the battery optimization time is the same as the 3XL then none of the reviewers have attained their final screen on time yet.
First reviews are out and they say battery life is horrendous, especially on the 4. I'll pass. Too expensive for too many compromises.
I have Android 10 running on my OG Pixel XL and have zero problems with it on an older chipset and 4 GBs, but I'm sure the extra 2 GBs will be beneficial/noticeable regardless.
I suppose the people complaining the loudest fall into 1 of the following 2 categories: trolls/iphone fanbois or people who don't feel the upgrade from the 3 (or any of the last gen phones) -> 4 is worthwhile. While that's a valid concern, it's worth noting that in recent years the yearly revision has become less substantial in recent years. I've held off for 3 years so going from the OG XL to 4 XL will be a massive improvement and something I'm greatly looking forward to.
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I have Android 10 running on my OG Pixel XL and have zero problems with it on an older chipset and 4 GBs, but I'm sure the extra 2 GBs will be beneficial/noticeable regardless.
I suppose the people complaining the loudest fall into 1 of the following 2 categories: trolls/iphone fanbois or people who don't feel the upgrade from the 3 (or any of the last gen phones) -> 4 is worthwhile. While that's a valid concern, it's worth noting that in recent years the yearly revision has become less substantial in recent years. I've held off for 3 years so going from the OG XL to 4 XL will be a massive improvement and something I'm greatly looking forward to.
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Every phone I've pre-ordered, it always starts the same way. Everyone has something to complain about before they even have the phone in their own hands. After awhile, the complaining, for the most part, dies down, and people realize they love the device. What boggles my mind is, why come to the forum to complain? Nobody forces an individual to buy the phone, let alone pre-order it. Instead of focusing on the negative, focus on the positives.
I'm going to vent a little bit...
I'm an older guy (48) and I've been doing tech and gadgets for over 20 years now. I love this site and have participated on and off for many years. There is a problem growing online and it is only going to get worse. The system here isn't equipped to counter a growing troll problem, so we all fall prey to the effects. Every aspect of the online consumer space is being manipulated by "troll farms" and it is obliterating the signal-to-noise ratio in everything from entertainment to personal devices. Across the board, every device is eventually portrayed to have some fatal flaw rendering it inferior. When in actuality, it can adequately perform the primary task and may only fall short in a single aspect depending on a very specific need that varies individually by consumer.
I used to participate here rather frequently, then I began to only stop by during a device's release to gauge anticipations and thoughts. Every year the noise has increased. Not just here though, almost every forum beyond a certain size has the same issue. Online sources and articles are not immune and are populated with extremely vocal "detractors" in the comment sections, they rally with a frequency and voracity that no ordinary working person could maintain. The methods used by professional trolls is complex, and unfortunately, PROFITABLE.
Without giving too much personal information, my wife WAS a partner in one of the largest PR firms in the U.S., and I can tell you that troll farms and bogus self-cross-referring review sources are real. Her firm never participated, but they could see it coming and now there's an entire "dark" branch of marketing and PR that has arisen (some would say re-emerged) that essentially has the ethics model of the old cigarette industry with the agility of a modern digital campaign.
So if you're wrestling with specs, don't kill yourself searching for the ultimate device. You can do three things and I promise you'll be as happy as you can be.
If you really care about what you're going to buy ,to the point that it may cause a devastating case of buyer's remorse you should:
- First, make lists. Make a list of what's important, make a list of what specs make your tech-feels tingle, make a list of devices and start prioritizing and crossing off.
- Second, do a one afternoon search (not one second longer) of trusted reviews and ignore very tilted reviews.
- Third, and this is crazy... Go to a store, look at the physical functioning device and play with it.
This should be an extra separate step, but whatever, I'm not going back to edit...
- Buy what you want and be prepared to return it within 30 days and pay a restocking fee. Don't like the fee? Too bad, that's life... If you don't like something you may have to pay to return it, it's the world we live in.
This should be one more step too. Damn, I really messed up.
- Unless you are doing ongoing development NEVER revisit the topic of purchasing and specs. Go and enjoy your device and every once and a while keep up with updates and new features. There's a whole life to live out there, so don't waste your energy spec-gazing or griping with trolls.
Online communities are becoming less valuable to me every day because of the noise, it's unfortunate.
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I'm going to vent a little bit...
I'm an older guy (48) and I've been doing tech and gadgets for over 20 years now. I love this site and have participated on and off for many years. There is a problem growing online and it is only going to get worse. The system here isn't equipped to counter a growing troll problem, so we all fall prey to the effects. Every aspect of the online consumer space is being manipulated by "troll farms" and it is obliterating the signal-to-noise ratio in everything from entertainment to personal devices. Across the board, every device is eventually portrayed to have some fatal flaw rendering it inferior. When in actuality, it can adequately perform the primary task and may only fall short in a single aspect depending on a very specific need that varies individually by consumer.
I used to participate here rather frequently, then I began to only stop by during a device's release to gauge anticipations and thoughts. Every year the noise has increased. Not just here though, almost every forum beyond a certain size has the same issue. Online sources and articles are not immune and are populated with extremely vocal "detractors" in the comment sections, they rally with a frequency and voracity that no ordinary working person could maintain. The methods used by professional trolls is complex, and unfortunately, PROFITABLE.
Without giving too much personal information, my wife WAS a partner in one of the largest PR firms in the U.S., and I can tell you that troll farms and bogus self-cross-referring review sources are real. Her firm never participated, but they could see it coming and now there's an entire "dark" branch of marketing and PR that has arisen (some would say re-emerged) that essentially has the ethics model of the old cigarette industry with the agility of a modern digital campaign.
So if you're wrestling with specs, don't kill yourself searching for the ultimate device. You can do three things and I promise you'll be as happy as you can be.
If you really care about what you're going to buy ,to the point that it may cause a devastating case of buyer's remorse you should:
- First, make lists. Make a list of what's important, make a list of what specs make your tech-feels tingle, make a list of devices and start prioritizing and crossing off.
- Second, do a one afternoon search (not one second longer) of trusted reviews and ignore very tilted reviews.
- Third, and this is crazy... Go to a store, look at the physical functioning device and play with it.
This should be an extra separate step, but whatever, I'm not going back to edit...
- Buy what you want and be prepared to return it within 30 days and pay a restocking fee. Don't like the fee? Too bad, that's life... If you don't like something you may have to pay to return it, it's the world we live in.
This should be one more step too. Damn, I really messed up.
- Unless you are doing ongoing development NEVER revisit the topic of purchasing and specs. Go and enjoy your device and every once and a while keep up with updates and new features. There's a whole life to live out there, so don't waste your energy spec-gazing or griping with trolls.
Online communities are becoming less valuable to me every day because of the noise, it's unfortunate.
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Absolutely this. It's pretty darn clear that some people in the crowd are trying to spike the punch. Don't obsess over the minutiae, don't allow yourself to be herded just because it seems like sentiment is tilted one way. Figure out what you want out of a phone (is an ultra-wide camera REALLY make/break for you, or are you only thinking that because XYZ said to?). Put your hands on the device by visiting a Best Buy or carrier store. And lastly, recognize that software learns your habits (battery life after a few days won't tell you what long-term battery life means) and also gets updated (features get added, functionality becomes improved).
Be aware of the echo chamber effect and do your best to make up your own mind about the worthiness of a phone.
Getting 4xl in the next week or so ?
Is the battery as bad as all the reviews are saying on YouTube
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Getting 4xl in the next week or so [emoji16]
Is the battery as bad as all the reviews are saying on YouTube
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There's a whole screen on time thread on this topic:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-4-xl/review/screen-time-t3946925
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There's a whole screen on time thread on this topic:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/pixel-4-xl/review/screen-time-t3946925
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Cool thanks
jaythenut said:
Getting 4xl in the next week or so
Is the battery as bad as all the reviews are saying on YouTube
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I came from the 3xl to the 4xl and my battery life is definitely better than it ever was with the 3xl, even when it was new.
And I'm forcing 90hz, use aod and have my screen brightness set to 90.
Don't worry yourself, it's a terrific phone and the battery is fine.
This weekend I unplugged at 8 am Saturday morning and 46 HOURS later I had 6% left. This is obviously an outlier and not typical but still outstanding. I ended the period with about 5 hr 40 minutes of screen time with some navigation, some streaming, and otherwise mostly just web surfing/Facebook etc. Since getting my phone last Wednesday, with usage similar to the above, I am averaging about 3.0% per hour after 16 hours and 4-4.5 hours of screen time at the of the day (left with 45%-50% charge).
THis is simply outstanding and better than any other phone I've ever owned. My Pixel 2XL a couple of weeks after I got it and under similar usage conditions would end the day at ~30%. I have no idea why all these reviewers are digging the battery life. Maybe I just got lucky. Who knows. Regardless, I'm glad I bought it in spite of all the bad reviews. Amazing phone.
It’s not terrible but it is sub-par IMO.
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It’s not terrible but it is sub-par IMO.
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But no-one ever said the S10 or OnePlus 7 pro had sub par battery and the pixel XL is getting the same
Reuben_skelz92 said:
But no-one ever said the S10 or OnePlus 7 pro had sub par battery and the pixel XL is getting the same
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Pixels direct competing is iPhones. The new ones touch 10 hours of SOT. Something we expect from Google as well! But it can barely reach 6. Which is a shame.
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But no-one ever said the S10 or OnePlus 7 pro had sub par battery and the pixel XL is getting the same
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I wouldn't call the a 5-6 SOT for the 4 XL par. A lot of Android flagships are getting 6-7 or more SOT.
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Pixels direct competing is iPhones. The new ones touch 10 hours of SOT. Something we expect from Google as well! But it can barely reach 6. Which is a shame.
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Correct the iPhone 11 models are getting 10 hours SOT without trying but that's not par at all. If battery life is a bell curve, that's on the far right and not average at all.
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EeZeEpEe said:
I wouldn't call the a 5-6 SOT for the 4 XL par. A lot of Android flagships are getting 6-7 or more SOT.
Correct the iPhone 11 models are getting 10 hours SOT without trying but that's not par at all. If battery life is a bell curve, that's on the far right and not average at all.
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Some getting 6/7 . I never got more than 5 or 6 on my OnePlus but that didn't get crap about battery life. People have just assumed looking at the specs it's going to be worse but it ain't. The S10 had average battery too. Just saying
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Some getting 6/7 . I never got more than 5 or 6 on my OnePlus but that didn't get crap about battery life. People have just assumed looking at the specs it's going to be worse but it ain't. The S10 had average battery too. Just saying
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If the S10 Plus is average (https://forum.xda-developers.com/s10-plus/review/screen-time-t3905264), the Pixel 4 XL is easily below it.
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So I've got to the guy that asks this:
What on earth do you folks that want 10 hours out of a charge doing? I've had days where I've gotten bleary-eyed from playing on my phone (streaming videos, web browsing, etc.). The very longest one of those days was about 6 hours and that was when I was traveling back home from Singapore (a 27 hour trip all told). I mean, do you all live with your noses buried in your phones?
I'm not trying to be a jerk so please don't take it that way. I honestly just can't imagine what one does on a phone that racks up that kind of usage.
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This weekend I unplugged at 8 am Saturday morning and 46 HOURS later I had 6% left. This is obviously an outlier and not typical but still outstanding. I ended the period with about 5 hr 40 minutes of screen time with some navigation, some streaming, and otherwise mostly just web surfing/Facebook etc. Since getting my phone last Wednesday, with usage similar to the above, I am averaging about 3.0% per hour after 16 hours and 4-4.5 hours of screen time at the of the day (left with 45%-50% charge).
THis is simply outstanding and better than any other phone I've ever owned. My Pixel 2XL a couple of weeks after I got it and under similar usage conditions would end the day at ~30%. I have no idea why all these reviewers are digging the battery life. Maybe I just got lucky. Who knows. Regardless, I'm glad I bought it in spite of all the bad reviews. Amazing phone.
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Just an FYI, draining your battery that low and charging it to max 100 is the fastest way to degrade it. Ideally you want to stay in between 20-80%. This is the typical nature of all lithium batteries.
On pace for 9 hours SOT over 29 hours with heavy usage and everything but AOD enabled (tap, wake and lift all on - just no AOD itself)
Idk what everyone is doing but the battery on this is fine and the phone is awesome
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Pixels direct competing is iPhones. The new ones touch 10 hours of SOT. Something we expect from Google as well! But it can barely reach 6. Which is a shame.
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And iPhones got a larger battery capacity. With 3700 mAh instead of their 4000mAh they would be on par with Pixel 4 XL. This has to be taken into account. So what you are saying only holds true die to the larger capacity in the iPhone, otherwise runtime is the same.
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Come on guys. He's just asking about how good or bad the battery is overall.
Doesn't have to come up with iPhone Samsung etc.
For me it's good enough period
I'm happy as long as a phone lasts a good solid day. Like most people I charge my phone every night.
Not much use lasting 1.2 or 1.5 days cause it will need charging during the second day ?
Reuben_skelz92 said:
Some getting 6/7 . I never got more than 5 or 6 on my OnePlus but that didn't get crap about battery life. People have just assumed looking at the specs it's going to be worse but it ain't. The S10 had average battery too. Just saying
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So you are convincing yourself if other phones are average then it's okay for pixel to have average battery life as well? This is no justification. I feel the pixel 4xl is having the same battery life as 2xl. I get about 5-6 hours of SOT but on heavy days my phone died early. Would i like to buy a phone in 2019-20 which dies around half a day? No sir thank you. No matter how fast is it's charging speed is.
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So I've got to the guy that asks this:
What on earth do you folks that want 10 hours out of a charge doing? I've had days where I've gotten bleary-eyed from playing on my phone (streaming videos, web browsing, etc.). The very longest one of those days was about 6 hours and that was when I was traveling back home from Singapore (a 27 hour trip all told). I mean, do you all live with your noses buried in your phones?
I'm not trying to be a jerk so please don't take it that way. I honestly just can't imagine what one does on a phone that racks up that kind of usage.
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It's not that people want 10 hours SOT in one day, it's 10 hours SOT in a single charge. Meaning it's possibly to get 24-36 hours off the charger or even just end the day no problem with 40-50% and 5 hours SOT. These are things the iPhone 11 Pro Max is capable off this year so everyone's comparing it to the the new bar.
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Come on guys. He's just asking about how good or bad the battery is overall.
Doesn't have to come up with iPhone Samsung etc.
For me it's good enough period
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But you can't live in a bubble or vacuum and not compare. It's all relative then to what you think is good
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So you are convincing yourself if other phones are average then it's okay for pixel to have average battery life as well? This is no justification. I feel the pixel 4xl is having the same battery life as 2xl. I get about 5-6 hours of SOT but on heavy days my phone died early. Would i like to buy a phone in 2019-20 which dies around half a day? No sir thank you. No matter how fast is it's charging speed is.
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It's actually getting an hour less than the Pixel 2 XL for me as I got 6-7 with the 2 XL. Either phone though I get through 17 hours off the charger fine during a work day.
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It's not that people want 10 hours SOT in one day, it's 10 hours SOT in a single charge. Meaning it's possibly to get two 24-36 hours off the charger or even just end the day no problem with 40-50% and 5 hours SOT. These are things the iPhone 11 Pro Max is capable off this year so everyone's comparing it to the the new bar.
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But you can't live in a bubble or vacuum and not compare. It's all relative then to what you think is good It's actually getting an hour less than the Pixel 2 XL for me as I got 6-7 with the 2 XL. Either phone though I get through 17 hours off the charger fine during a work day.
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Agreed! It's compared with iPhones because they are the top brand everyone is fighting against. And Google started directly competing with them since pixel 1. The price was hiked accordingly. So the comparison is natural.
Oh that's sad! I think it's because of the 90hz screen. That is the reason I'm not happy with Google. Pixel 3xl and 4xl both have battery life inferior to 2xl. This should be the opposite.
Am I crazy that I still really like the Pixel 4 XL a year plus later?
I bought the Pixel 5 right away, wanting better battery life and bright screen, plus more one handed friendly phone.
Yes the Pixel 5 has insane battery life. That's it. It feels like a cheap toy phone, and the speakers suck do bad, mainly the earpiece for phone calls, sound tinny and like a mile away.
The Pixel 4 XL feels way more premium, higher end build quality, sharper looking display, better feel in hand, I know it's large for a 6.3" phone, but I find it easier to type on and just feels solid in hand.
Actually if you didn't tell anyone when these two phones were released, I bet most non tech people would think the Pixel 4 XL is a new 2020 phone, and the Pixel 5 an older phone from few years ago.
Anyways, hoping Google goes more flagship next year.
I looked at other phones, and nothing really interests me out there right now. Yeah the OnePlus 8 Pro looks great, but at this point the 9 Pro is due in March.
iPhone 12 Pro Max looks stunning, super high end build, and a beautiful huge screen, with a FLAT display But iOS ugh .
I don't buy phones every year. If the Pixel 5 had been released next year, I would have kept my Pixel 4 XL for 3-4 years, if possible. I don't want a small phone. I'm not interested in plastic rim phones(4a). I find hole-punches more offensive than top bezels... I would rather have real tech using the space. But I'm not sore about using lesser SoCs... Qualcomm is ruining flagship potentials with their 5G design choices in upper-end SoCs.
Just wait for a 2021 phone. It's not worth getting a new phone only a year later anymore.
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I agree that it's not worth getting a new phone after a year now. Also agree with OP in spirit although I haven't actually tried a pixel 5. I find the 4xl screen excellent size & resolution, I find face unlock brilliant. Somehow rear fingerprint scanner seems like years ago now. Personally, I use telephoto more than I would a wide angle camera and also, in my opinion, any amount of bezel or "forehead" is better than a hole in the screen. Ye, 2021 at least for me too.
Yeah I've had my pixel 4 XL since last November. I downgraded by selling my note 10 plus and using this as my daily driver. It is served its purpose for the most part but a year later there are things about it that are annoying me apart from an absolute ****ty selfie camera, there are more noticeable bugs and issues that I'm having now than I ever did when I got to device initially.
But it is what it is I've enjoyed it for the most part and I'm excited to receive my Sony Xperia 5 Mark II in a few days. That device is game changing compared to this and the pixel 5.
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Yeah I've had my pixel 4 XL since last November. I downgraded by selling my note 10 plus and using this as my daily driver. It is served its purpose for the most part but a year later there are things about it that are annoying me apart from an absolute ****ty selfie camera, there are more noticeable bugs and issues that I'm having now than I ever did when I got to device initially.
But it is what it is I've enjoyed it for the most part and I'm excited to receive my Sony Xperia 5 Mark II in a few days. That device is game changing compared to this and the pixel 5.
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It's only game changing on paper, in real world use not so much.
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It's only game changing on paper, in real world use not so much.
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While I respect your opinion, I disagree,
the battery life alone is something that demolishes the pixel 4 XL.
Then you have an identical stock Android. the stock Android that pixels have that everybody glorifies an overhypes the saying is super smooth is no different than what is found on the Xperia.
and 120hz refresh rate.
Personally I found pixel devices to be completely overhyped for the prices that they're charging and with formidable issues such as poor build quality (seen regularly with all pixel devices since their inception) I just haven't had my money's worth of an experience with the pixel devices.
I genuinely believe the software and the apps that Google develops is great. They should stick with software development and just present their full-fledged featured apps with no compromises to all Android phones. 90% of their apps are available on other devices and can definitely be ported over specifically the recorder app and even on some phones gcam. Which in all honesty I've seen ports of gcam that function better than the stock camera on the pixel 4 XL.
But yeah that's just been my experience everybody's differs they might have had an entirely pleasant experience and that's good on them but I'm excited to be back on the Xperia line again.
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While I respect your opinion, I disagree,
the battery life alone is something that demolishes the pixel 4 XL.
Then you have an identical stock Android. the stock Android that pixels have that everybody glorifies an overhypes the saying is super smooth is no different than what is found on the Xperia.
and 120hz refresh rate.
Personally I found pixel devices to be completely overhyped for the prices that they're charging and with formidable issues such as poor build quality (seen regularly with all pixel devices since their inception) I just haven't had my money's worth of an experience with the pixel devices.
I genuinely believe the software and the apps that Google develops is great. They should stick with software development and just present their full-fledged featured apps with no compromises to all Android phones. 90% of their apps are available on other devices and can definitely be ported over specifically the recorder app and even on some phones gcam. Which in all honesty I've seen ports of gcam that function better than the stock camera on the pixel 4 XL.
But yeah that's just been my experience everybody's differs they might have had an entirely pleasant experience and that's good on them but I'm excited to be back on the Xperia line again.
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Yeah software is good on the Sony ones. Only thing that was annoying when I had the 1 mk ii was the disappointing camera and slow UI in the app.
21:9 is comfy to hold so I miss that. Id be very surprised if a 4000mah battery at 120hz would be much different to the 4XLs.
Hopefully a better experience for you on the 5ii than I had on the 1ii.
I upgraded to Pixel 5 from the 4XL. My primary motivation is I hate the face unlock. I sorely missed the old fingerprint reader along the back. The only reason I upgraded from a 3XL to 4XL was the 3XL had hardware probs.
At first, I wasnt sure I was gonna be able to do it as the smaller phone felt odd and wasnt sure if I'd be able to type vertically with my thumbs (I still can once I got the case on it). It took some getting used to but then I quickily realized how absurdly big and heavy the 4XL is. The only other obstacle was no Active Edge. I never used it for the Assistant, but I use it daily to use my flashlight from the lock screen. This one was a must. I then discovered the Torchie app , that I can activate using the volume buttons.
Its much faster and the battery life is crazy good. Im very happy now having my fingerprint unlock back and more room in my pockets.
Tried the pixel 5 out and couldn't justify upgrading from my 4xl.
I'm returning it to Best buy tomorrow
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I upgraded to Pixel 5 from the 4XL. My primary motivation is I hate the face unlock. I sorely missed the old fingerprint reader along the back. The only reason I upgraded from a 3XL to 4XL was the 3XL had hardware probs.
At first, I wasnt sure I was gonna be able to do it as the smaller phone felt odd and wasnt sure if I'd be able to type vertically with my thumbs (I still can once I got the case on it). It took some getting used to but then I quickily realized how absurdly big and heavy the 4XL is. The only other obstacle was no Active Edge. I never used it for the Assistant, but I use it daily to use my flashlight from the lock screen. This one was a must. I then discovered the Torchie app , that I can activate using the volume buttons.
Its much faster and the battery life is crazy good. Im very happy now having my fingerprint unlock back and more room in my pockets.
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These days, with masks on all the time, face unlock has been rendered useless and annoying
HipKat said:
These days, with masks on all the time, face unlock has been rendered useless and annoying
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I hear this all the time, but I haven't experienced it much. To begin with, I don't think face unlock even looks at the bottom part of your face. Maybe it's a male-specific beard precaution. With a face contouring mask, moving the mask down half an inch is all it takes for my phone to recognize me. I can manage that just by opening my mouth wide which pulls down the mask slightly.
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I hear this all the time, but I haven't experienced it much. To begin with, I don't think face unlock even looks at the bottom part of your face. Maybe it's a male-specific beard precaution. With a face contouring mask, moving the mask down half an inch is all it takes for my phone to recognize me. I can manage that just by opening my mouth wide which pulls down the mask slightly.
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I work on the medical field, wear a mask all shift, and it has never recognized me with a mask on. I don't have a beard but interestingly it does unlock when I have shaving cream on my face probably because it can actually get the contours of my cheeks. Either way, I usually use Smart Lock with my watch while at work.
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I hear this all the time, but I haven't experienced it much. To begin with, I don't think face unlock even looks at the bottom part of your face. Maybe it's a male-specific beard precaution. With a face contouring mask, moving the mask down half an inch is all it takes for my phone to recognize me. I can manage that just by opening my mouth wide which pulls down the mask slightly.
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TBH, since Android 11, Face unlock has been sketchy. It never used to lag unlocking when it's in the phone holder in my vehicle. Now it does often. In the dark, fuhgeddaboudit....