I have long used supersu and have been having lots of troubles with Magisk including many root apps not working properly. I know all about the potential issues with supersu but might be willing to accept that. So has anyone gone this route? Or is it simply not possible with this device? Thanks
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Hi Guys, I know a lot of people here on xda cannot go on their daily lives without root on their phone, but there are these pain in the bottom applications that refuse to run when root is detected. my only means of hiding root back then was using an xposed module, may I know if someone else have an idea on how to hide root from apps? thanks in advance!~
SuperSU Pro has the option that works for some apps. Not sure if it is in the standard version.
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root cloak still works with 5.1.1. you can find it here in the forums. get the latest alpha version and it should work.
I haven't seen a thead posted about this so I figured I'd get some input from people that have used both or either of the 2 root options.
What do you prefer and why? What are the pros and cons?
I know SuperSU is very well known and I'm familiar with it from the Galaxy S phones. Magisk is fairly new, but from what I heard it works well with Nougat and the other nice thing is that magisk can be toggled.
I'm not sure if there is any benefit to that or not, but I'd like to hear some feedback.
I'm interested to know more about this as well, but this is what I read about it.
Yes, Magisk can be toggled, so you can use Android Pay when you need it and then get back to being rooted.
However, for some reason, my AdAway adblocker just wouldn't work with Magisk+phhSU. No idea why. Everything else root worked well. When I had to clean flash the official Nougat, I decided to stick to good'ol SuperSU. I don't need the toggle function and everything worked great since.
So I've used both and can say this. Magisk works on both SuperSU and phhSU, although the later offers a different functionality. The toggle feature is an older feature of Magisk as they now have a hide feature baked in. This is the same as SUHide for SuperSU. I have yet to get SUHide working on the 3t, but I have it working on a few other phones. SuperSU+SUHide is great if you only want to run Root on your phone and hide systemless root from applications without having to really toggle Root. From my experience (YMMV), toggling root breaks things more than hiding. The only reason I have found to run Magisk is if you want to run Xposed as well. Xposed works with SuperSU, but Magisk does a pretty good job of UI integration with some of the pieces.
DarqAnshin said:
So I've used both and can say this. Magisk works on both SuperSU and phhSU, although the later offers a different functionality. The toggle feature is an older feature of Magisk as they now have a hide feature baked in. This is the same as SUHide for SuperSU. I have yet to get SUHide working on the 3t, but I have it working on a few other phones. SuperSU+SUHide is great if you only want to run Root on your phone and hide systemless root from applications without having to really toggle Root. From my experience (YMMV), toggling root breaks things more than hiding. The only reason I have found to run Magisk is if you want to run Xposed as well. Xposed works with SuperSU, but Magisk does a pretty good job of UI integration with some of the pieces.
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Awesome, thanks for the input! That's definitely helpful. So you would recommend going with magisk? Would you say magisk works equally as well on all versions of OOS? 3.5.* and the new 4.*+ (nougat) version?
m0d hipp¥ said:
Awesome, thanks for the input! That's definitely helpful. So you would recommend going with magisk? Would you say magisk works equally as well on all versions of OOS? 3.5.* and the new 4.*+ (nougat) version?
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Keep in mind, your mileage may very and these are only my opinions. With that said I will say this:
I've only had my OnePlus 3t for about 3 weeks, so I only really used it on the latest version of OOS 3.5. It seems to work fine on 4.*, however, it did take me a few extra steps and sideload.
I honestly would go with SuperSU / SUhide if I could get it to work on 3T correctly like it does on my other devices. Right now I have this weird forever and a day boot time with SUHide.
Magisk works almost as well in my experience and on the devices I do run xposed on runs even better in my opinion. The new Magisk doesn't turn root off but does mask root from certain apps such as android pay. The interface, in my opinion, has gotten better over the iterations. Magisk also does allow you to flash from the direct input, which depending on your skill can help out greatly.
I would say this. If you require
Xposed
UI
live updates of actual software similar to TWRP's new loader
ability to flash from app
Use Magisk
If you like simplicity and raw power go with SuperSU. I did try the SUHide Gui but found Magisk's version much easier and reliable.
Thanks again! That's super helpful!
Guys, Im running Tugapower and I cannot root the rom. Any of you know how to fix it? I run the zip file to root and I start to phone and looks that works but after couple of minuts is not rooted anymore. Anyone else?
Has anybody used the the latest version of superuser with oos 4.0?
That's the SR2 2.79 version. The one before turned off sims and a reflash of 4.0 sorted out.
And the info on Magisk has been informative. Thanks!
As someone who has used phhSu and SuperSU (I've also paid for SuperSU Pro) I find either do the job and that SuperSU is good for getting a ROM going while I prefer to then re-root with phhSU after I have my ROM set up for daily use, although the only annoying thing with phhSU is that TB detects the su binary as being a non-SuperSU one so it pops up an extra warning.
Either is fine, just pick the one you like better I guess.
How did you guys flash a systemless root without triggering DM-Verity?
From my understanding, we flash superSU after flashing TWRP and allowing modifications, because superSU disables/bypasses DM-Verity
Am I missing something here?
Freyelis said:
How did you guys flash a systemless root without triggering DM-Verity?
From my understanding, we flash superSU after flashing TWRP and allowing modifications, because superSU disables/bypasses DM-Verity
Am I missing something here?
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With SuperSU 2.79 you don't need no-verity patch.
m0d hipp¥ said:
I haven't seen a thead posted about this so I figured I'd get some input from people that have used both or either of the 2 root options.
What do you prefer and why? What are the pros and cons?
I know SuperSU is very well known and I'm familiar with it from the Galaxy S phones. Magisk is fairly new, but from what I heard it works well with Nougat and the other nice thing is that magisk can be toggled.
I'm not sure if there is any benefit to that or not, but I'd like to hear some feedback.
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Actually Magisk doesn't give root but the modded version of Phh's Superuser does.
One of the main difference is that Phh's Superuser (and Magisk) are open source. Once Chainfire will leave his SuperSU project you will have to fully trust CCMT.
Ive been on here for about 4 hours and to no avail, I cant find the answer to my question. I have a Verizon HTC 10 rooted with SuperSU and TWRP. Im still on version 6.0.1 (MM) with the software 1.85.605.8. My question is, can I go about unrooting SuperSU without losing anything ( data, apps etc) and installing Magisk in its place?
I want to know what Im at risk of losing before I do a full unroot of SuperSU.
In the same boat
I did my first root yesterday on a Nexus 7 with Nexus Root Toolkit v2.1.9 which apparently uses Chainfire SuperSU. Now I find I really needed Magisk to deal with the app issues. I've seen a couple tutorials about switching but not clear if I will have to lose everything and start from scratch. Any help ASAP would be greatly appreciated
This sounds like it really should be in the Magisk forums... There's info there (check the stickies).
@topjohnwu
I'm sure you've read the google+ message or the post on the front page in regards to Chainfire stopping development on all current root-related apps. This includes thus SuperSU (which was sold to CCMT a long time ago and they did absolutely nothing with) and FlashFire (which i use to flash an OTA and keep root intact.
Now with that in mind, magisk is pretty much the only root solution now and i'm starting to look into it. I've already installed the manager and will flash the stock rom at a later point. First a question.
What would be the proper way to flash an OTA (on my 6P, for as long as it will get them) and keep magisk root intact? (i know my way around ADB a bit and twrp, usually i ADB BOOT the latter, not install it). Has anyone tried the latest magisk with flashfire on a 6?
I'll appreciate your input.
Regards,
Ch3vr0n
I'm also interested in getting OTAs installed while preserving root and magisk, on my Pixel XL. I can't get it working properly using the suggested method from @topjohnwu
May i suggest you make your own topic then? It will do neither of us any good of replies to our issue get lost in replies to the other
I did already.
I just showed that I am interested in a proper solution as well. I have not asked specifically about my issue, but wanted to tell you that the "official" way (which is well documented) doesn't work for some users (it's not only me).
yeah but you have a completely different device. So what's not working for you, isn't even relevant in case. Thanks for the interest though
and a quick bump.
Ch3vr0n said:
Has anyone tried the latest magisk with flashfire on a 6?
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Hopefully you're aware that you can no longer even purchase FlashFire on the Google Play Store, so it's not a solution going forward...
Who said that was a problem. I've been using pro since day 1. Pro users don't have the time issue and it works just fine.
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OTA installation tips (from the official Magisk docs):
https://github.com/topjohnwu/Magisk/blob/master/docs/tips.md#ota-installation-tips
I know that A/B device users have been reporting negative results with the documented method, but fortunately it's not applicable in this case.
Have seen a bunch of reports of Flashfire not working properly with later release of Magisk, but can't confirm since I've never used it.
That leaves the last described method. Should always work, but by then I usually feel it's a lot easier to just use fastboot to flash the latest factory image...
I have some phones with Magisk, and are not A/B devices. Magisk gets lost after the OTA, I just reflash it, reinstall the 4 Magisk modules I use, and open each app that requires root so I can grant root access to them again. Of course, add to Hide the banking and other apps that need it. Not too much trouble for me, even if I usually receive weekly OTAs. Wish I could save the Superuser and module settings of Magisk before flashing, then I can just restore it.
Hi!
i keep losing root from magisk, i keep having to reinstall the magisk 16.4 zip everytime i lose root. its really sporadic sometimes it can go days before i lose root. is there any roms out yet that have permanent root via magisk yet? or is there some kind of fix for this issue?
Thanks,
No, it isn't fixed yet.