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I like every aspect of nexus 6
but i'm a bit worried about the brightness of the screen
since AMOLED are kind of infamous for not able to use outdoor
I'm guessing the screen will be similar to Moto X 2014
Anyone who own the phone, can you please share the experience for using the phone under bright sun?
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I like every aspect of nexus 6
but i'm a bit worried about the brightness of the screen
since AMOLED are kind of infamous for not able to use outdoor
I'm guessing the screen will be similar to Moto X 2014
Anyone who own the phone, can you please share the experience for using the phone under bright sun?
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That's the important question. This year's AMOLED's (Galaxy S5, Note 4, Tab S) were very bright... but last year's AMOLED's (Galaxy S4).. not so much. Note 3 was fine however.
some review says moto X 2014 has poor outdoor visibility
and according to phonearena screen measurement, the moto X only has a maximum brightness of 385 nits
Now i'm seriously worried about the N6.....
I will accept anything higher than 450 nits, but 385 nits is just way too low
btw, I always never understood why maximum brightness is not part of the standard specs, it's an important factor, sometimes it's more important than pixel density or color saturation
While I will take all the brightness I can get, I have only struggled a few times with my S4 outdoors. I just don't use my phone all that much in full sunlight. Maybe check a football score during my kid's soccer game. Not exactly mission critical, but I guess it would be nice if it were easier. I certainly wouldn't give up the superior blacks the other 99.99% of the time. But given the awesome screens on the latest Samsungs, we should be able to have our cake and eat it, too.
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Its brightness is 270 nits (quite dim when you go by the numbers)
While its 850+ on my z3!
I guess I won't be selling my z3 for a n6 after all!
As with most single specs, the luminance in nits only tells part of the story. I'll wait to see what the N6 screen looks like in full sun before making a final decision.
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As with most single specs, the luminance in nits only tells part of the story. I'll wait to see what the N6 screen looks like in full sun before making a final decision.
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Very true. Amoled screen have very different reflective properties when compared to an LCD IPS screen. The outdoor viewing experience could and should actually be really good based on all the reviews.
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gtalum said:
As with most single specs, the luminance in nits only tells part of the story. I'll wait to see what the N6 screen looks like in full sun before making a final decision.
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scandalousk said:
Very true. Amoled screen have very different reflective properties when compared to an LCD IPS screen. The outdoor viewing experience could and should actually be really good based on all the reviews.
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Based on reviews the screen looks less vivid, less sharp and more dull than the Note 4. The visibility is less also; many reviewers claim the screen has great PPI but overall is not amazing. No surprises here - Samsung saves the best screens for themselves and everyone else gets rejects. For that reason I would've used an IPS display, like the iPhone 6+ (which has great visibility in sunlight, sharp and good colours).
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Based on reviews the screen looks less vivid, less sharp and more dull than the Note 4. The visibility is less also; many reviewers claim the screen has great PPI but overall is not amazing. No surprises here - Samsung saves the best screens for themselves and everyone else gets rejects. For that reason I would've used an IPS display, like the iPhone 6+ (which has great visibility in sunlight, sharp and good colours).
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If that's the case then Google clearly chose the ambient display (which requires amoled) over an IPS display. The note 4 arguably has the best screen in the world and we don't don't know if Google could get their hands on the iPhone 6 display. Maybe they tried and still couldn't get it.
Google can still calibrate the display properly. We'll just have to wait and see.
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If that's the case then Google clearly chose the ambient display (which requires amoled) over an IPS display. The note 4 arguably has the best screen in the world and we don't don't know if Google could get their hands on the iPhone 6 display. Maybe they tried and still couldn't get it.
Google can still calibrate the display properly. We'll just have to wait and see.
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We can also, you know...Make calibrations ourselves as well once Custom Kernels make their rounds..
If colour reproduction is an issue we should have little to worry if we can modify it in due time.
Here's how to find out - go look at one yourself before purchase.
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Its brightness is 270 nits (quite dim when you go by the numbers)
While its 850+ on my z3!
I guess I won't be selling my z3 for a n6 after all!
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You are going to have to post a source for that, because I dont believe the Z3 has 850nit brightness at all. A quick Google search showed nothing of the sort either.
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You are going to have to post a source for that, because I dont believe the Z3 has 850nit brightness at all. A quick Google search showed nothing of the sort either.
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http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3-review-1140p3.php
Go to display section
As a Nexus 4 user, i really love this screen! Its screen colors are like bundis ip5 profile (screen color tuning) with even more whiter whites and superb brightness!
Google for nexus 6
Had to search a lot for nexus 6's
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We can also, you know...Make calibrations ourselves as well once Custom Kernels make their rounds..
If colour reproduction is an issue we should have little to worry if we can modify it in due time.
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i am happy this was answered so i didn't have to make a post just to make sure. i know i have options for dpi and auto brighness controls on my gs2. but i have to wonder why they set it so low in the first place? was it for battery savings? is it because the reflectivity is so good that it didn't need to be higher? is it because it will burn out the organics? if the gs3, 290 nits, was good enough to see outside then i guess this one will be also. it just sucks that it is so low. and i don't know if i would want to trust a kernel that raised it.
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http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z3-review-1140p3.php
Go to display section
As a Nexus 4 user, i really love this screen! Its screen colors are like bundis ip5 profile (screen color tuning) with even more whiter whites and superb brightness!
Google for nexus 6
Had to search a lot for nexus 6's
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Sony smarthones have the worst display ever. turn off bravia engine (contrast and vivid) and you will love motorola 720i ;P
PhoneArena state the Nexus 6 is 270nits.
& the Nexus 5 is 485nits
Yet, I'm pretty sure we've seen both phones on Max brightness next to each other with the Nexus 6 being brighter.
In fact, every video I've seen with both the Nexus 6 & Note 4 has shown the Nexus to have the brighter screen with much better whites.
.....explain!?
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brighter screen with much better whites.
.....explain!?
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Much better whites? Yes I think so. Brighter? Where on earth did you see it brighter than note 4? Please share a link?
Thanks
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Much better whites? Yes I think so. Brighter? Where on earth did you see it brighter than note 4? Please share a link?
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Every video I've seen with both phones together.
If the Nexus 6 is supposed to only be 270nits, how is this possible?
I've also seen an image of the Nexus 5 & 6 together on Max brightness with the 6 being brighter.
Nexus 5 is 485 nits so PhoneArenas 270nits claim makes no sense at all.
Even in PhoneArenas own video, the Nexus looks brighter than the Note 4, easily visible during browsing & the video benchmark etc.
Google Nexus 6 vs Samsung Galaxy Note 4: http://youtu.be/afOEn-zm_y0
It's funny because when I was playing with the Note 4 in a Sprint store I was surprised to learn that the screen was at full brightness. It didn't seem all that bright to me.
It seems quite a few people in this 6T group also own the Pixel 3 or 3XL. Other than the lower price of the 6T and the better camera of the Pixel. Which one do you all think is the better phone all around and why?
The reason I ask is that BestBuy will be offering $200 off the Pixel 3/3 XL during Black Friday which would put the Pixel price in line (close enough) with the 6T. With that being said, which phone would you buy for around the same price?
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It seems quite a few people in this 6T group also own the Pixel 3 or 3XL. Other than the lower price of the 6T and the better camera of the Pixel. Which one do you all think is the better phone all around and why?
The reason I ask is that BestBuy will be offering $200 off the Pixel 3/3 XL during Black Friday which would put the Pixel price in line (close enough) with the 6T. With that being said, which phone would you buy for around the same price?
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I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
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I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
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What about battery life between the two, that is worrying me about the 3 or 3XL. The 6T seems to have respectable battery life, while the Pixel seems to struggle in that category.
Also, you stated performance on both of them is basically the same. That is another worry for me in regard to the Pixel, as it seems the 6T blows out the Pixel in raw numbers when the review sites do tests, does that translate to day-to-day usage?
Do you find the 4GB in the Pixel lags behind the 8GB in the 6T?
Are you using both phones on the same carrier? If so, how is the reception/signal strength between the two?
If you would pick the Pixel as you wrote, then why are you using your OnePlus as your daily?
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I own both and it's a tough toss up. Each one of them have their strengths and weaknesses. Right now the Pixel 3 XL has a horrible RAM management problem (hopefully Google will fix that with an update) and the OnePlus 6T has 8 gigs of RAM.
Agreed and don't think 4gb will be an issue for normal users. I do believe OP will always hold more in memory.
The camera on the Pixel 3 XL is just so much better than the OnePlus 6T, not that the OnePlus camera is bad. When I know I'm going to be taking a lot of pictures I'm taking my Pixel 3 XL with me.
Again agree it's a world of difference but having a ported camera from Pixel helps and for me solves the issue.
The notch on the Pixel 3 XL basically goes away with Nacho Notch while the notch on the OnePlus 6T is actually ok.
I don't hate the notch on the pixel unless I watch full screen YouTube or something. 6t is not intrusive ever for me. That said I prefer the notch there then having Nacho.
Performance on both of them is basically the same. The haptic feedback on the Pixel 3XL is one of the best on any smartphone.
Disagree slightly overall because of the memory issue the pixel feels and acts faster when switching apps etc. I had to trlurn off adaptive battery so that pixel runs smooth at all otherwise it would refresh screen all the time. Haptic feedback is really nice in pixel.
I guess if I could only buy one it would probably be the Pixel 3XL, and I'm saying that as I'm using my OnePlus as my daily.
I returned the pixel and kept OP.
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Battery on OP WAY better then xl too. Screen better on pixel...feel and build I prefer the pixel too. Not that there is anything wrong with OP just the pixel is nice. I hate not having wireless charging and proprietary charging but the charging is soooo fast. Day to day speed is or will be the same on both imo once Google fixes ram issue. Whatever frustrations I have with OP5t that made me go to pixel 2 xl are now gone on the 6t and the software changes op made are very nice that and their guesture makes it feel like true full screen phone just looks like next gen.
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What about battery life between the two, that is worrying me about the 3 or 3XL. The 6T seems to have respectable battery life, while the Pixel seems to struggle in that category.
Also, you stated performance on both of them is basically the same. That is another worry for me in regard to the Pixel, as it seems the 6T blows out the Pixel in raw numbers when the review sites do tests, does that translate to day-to-day usage?
Do you find the 4GB in the Pixel lags behind the 8GB in the 6T?
I have Verizon, which carrier do you have? If Verizon, how is the reception/signal strength between the two?
If you would pick the Pixel as you wrote, then why are you using your OnePlus as your daily?
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I get all day battery life on both phones, I would have to say the OnePlus is a little bit better on battery life but I've never had to look for a plug while using my Pixel.
The reason why review sites are showing that the OnePlus numbers are beating the Pixel is because Google underclocked the Snapdragon 845, a custom kernel will fix that. It really does not translate in day-to-day use. The Pixel is as smooth of a phone as you are going to find.
I personally don't think the 4 gigs of RAM are going to make that much of a difference once Google fixes the RAM management problem.
T-Mobile here.
I said if I could only buy one. I will switch between phones weekly because I get bored. I used my Pixel for about 2 weeks and now I'm using my OnePlus.
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Battery on OP WAY better then xl too. Screen better on pixel...feel and build I prefer the pixel too. Not that there is anything wrong with OP just the pixel is nice. I hate not having wireless charging and proprietary charging but the charging is soooo fast. Day to day speed is or will be the same on both imo once Google fixes ram issue.
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I get all day battery life on both phones, I would have to say the OnePlus is a little bit better on battery life but I've never had to look for a plug while using my Pixel.
The reason why review sites are showing that the OnePlus numbers are beating the Pixel is because Google underclocked the Snapdragon 845, a custom kernel will fix that. It really does not translate in day-to-day use. The Pixel is as smooth of a phone as you are going to find.
I personally don't think the 4 gigs of RAM are going to make that much of a difference once Google fixes the RAM management problem.
T-Mobile here.
I said if I could only buy one. I will switch between phones weekly because I get bored. I used my Pixel for about 2 weeks and now I'm using my OnePlus.
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Do you use both on T-Mobile? Can you let me know how the signal strength/reception is on both phones?
The two big cons...
You get used to the notch they say, and I did. What I didn't get used to was the incredible waste of space to either side of it. They could have stacked two full rows of notifications in there and it would fit, not sort of fit, fit. As it is that space is wasted and I kept seeing that and in turn that would make me "see" or notice the notch. I'd seriously fire whoever made the choices on the notification area because it doesn't end there. unlike here and elsewhere if you decide to hide the notch it pushes the notifications down into the screen below the notch giving you a huge empty forehead and the screen that remains is actually less than the 5T, seriously, I had them side by side and actual usable screen is less with the notch hidden. Go back visible notch and you get to see all that wasted space again, for me there was no win. Also if you watch a video the 6T notch is like a pimple on your own nose and soon forgotten, do it on the Pixel and it's a huge pimple on your bosses nose that you have to actively try and pretend isn't there. Will you be the same? Some say yes, some say no, for me it was a definite no.
Then you have the ram management or lack of ram, I'm not going to argue over which it is and don't care. Going into recents pretty much meant waiting for the app to reopen which is so 2014; it's another thing that drove me crazy. I already knew I was running in the upper 5s of used ram with my 5T so while I do expect it would have got better both with a Goog fix and in the roms I'm pretty sure it will never be as good as it is here, which is to say flawless. Apps pretty much just pop open every time, not sure if I can recall a single app redraw so far.
Then you've got the recents/app drawer cludge which combines with the worst gestures I've ever encountered. I'm sure you've seen it in videos so I'm not going to try and paint a picture, I will say it's worse in use than it appears in a review. This one is easily fixed by installing a third party launcher and then getting rid of Googs idiotic gestures for one of the options off the market. To sum it up, the whole purpose of nav gestures is to get rid of the nav bar which gives you useable space on screen. Think about it, no gesture can ever really be easier than hitting an icon, the best they can do is equal that ease so failing to give you the screen space means you made someones life harder and gave them nothing. Total fail. Someone should be fired fail. If I were in charge of the person who sigined off on this nav/recents/gesture cludge I would fire him. No notice, excorted out of the building right now firing. The escort would be two thugs who hit his head on every hard point between his office and the curb where he was tossed. They're that bad.
So now you're thinking I hated the phone, not true, lets get into the pros...
The screen is beautiful everywhere it isn't being wasted or cut into by a cancerous tumer. I had mine up against a 6T in the store and there is no question where the better screen quality lies, it's all Pixel in that department. Wasn't just me saying that, all the store guys where over because the store was empty and they hadn't seen a Pixel in the flesh. All of us were in agreement.
You've also got the sofware experience. it's all slick and refined in a way that is unmatched in the Android ecosystem. The dialer with it's screening, spam block, and so on, the music id on the lock, etc. The phone may seem feature poor but in use it is a very pleasant device to own.
The camera is top tier. I think Goog is running out of picture refinement in software though because you can see areas like telephoto where phones with dedicated glass are getting better results now. They have added some useful features on the other hand, for example being able to pick a different picture besides the one you clicked actually works. Those who have kids will recall how getting a good photo can be a trail, they're in focus but you missed the moment, you caught the moment but it couldn't quite focus on a target that was moving fast, etc. I was able to get a few pictures of my grandkids that would have been junk but were salvaged by the feature. What I like about the camera is something it shares with the latest from Samsung and Apple, you can just point it at something and have a good expectation of a decent shot. I'm not talking art, I'm saying you got what was there and it's in focus with reasonably accurate color. It's a camera you can use without skills and a camera you can trust.
All in all I really liked the Pixel in use but the hardware is behind the curve and no matter how shiny you make it the hardware turd still lies below the polish. I went into a Tmo store to scope the 6T and when I went home I immediately called Fi and returned the phone and ordered a 6T as soon as I got done with that call. If I had my choice I'd get a 6T that had the Goog rom on it and with the higher quality screen from the Pixel but I didn't, I had to choose one before I ran out of the return window. I really couldn't get past that notch or more particularly the wasted space beside it. Seeing it next to the 6T and 5T really put it into perspective for me, what an utter fail when a year old mid range phone has more useable space than a brand new 1000 dollar flagship. I'll be a potential customer for the Pixel 4 assuming they get their hardware up to snuff with other flagships, the software experience was IMO best in class.
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Do you use both on T-Mobile? Can you let me know how the signal strength/reception is on both phones?
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Sorry, I should of been more clear in my question. I was referring to the actual signal strength for phone calls, etc. Do you notice if one phone or the other holds signals stronger than the other? Do you notice one phone may not have a signal while the other phone still has a signal?
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Sorry, I should of been more clear in my question. I was referring to the actual signal strength for phone calls, etc. Do you notice if one phone or the other holds signals stronger than the other? Do you notice one phone may not have a signal while the other phone still has a signal?
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that will be a little tougher to answer because I don't take both phones with me normally but I will carry them both for the next couple of days just to look that stuff over.
I haven't had an issue on either one with signal.
Hard to say, but the fact that I have double the Ram, a bigger battery, arguably better notch design, 4x the storage for about $300 less (depends on tax rate where you live.)
Pixel 3 XL has dual speakers, but they don't sound good at all. Wireless charging is a plus, but not a deal breaker. Higher resolution screen, but it isn't a huge difference (and I care about that a lot.) Active edges is pointless when you have OK Google and holding the home button does the same thing. Camera is AMAZING (but where tf is 60fps???), even at night without Night Shot, but the wide angle setup on the front reminds me of the LG V20 Wide angle back lens, very fishy. Battery lasts all day so that's cool, but no chance of 2 day battery life without being strict on usage. Stock and prioritized software updates are awesome, but OxygenOS is always going to have the same, if not more feature (Always on display is helpful maybe 70% of my experiences.) Again, the speaker setup is such a disappointment.
OnePlus 6T has a single speaker setup, but it sounds clearer and possibly even louder. But it is downward firing rather than forward. Hard to say if the camera is better because I haven't been about to directly compare it, but low light images are amazing, even without the night mode on. Telephoto would have been nice, but neither phone has it. The OnePlus 6T can do 4k60fps and 1080p60fps video, while the Pixel 3 XL can only do 1080p60fps, BUT YOU CAN'T SET IT TO PERMANENTLY FILM 60FPS (look it up, it's sad). Front camera works, but the Pixel 3 XL's focuses, so the Pixel 3 XL can capture more quality, regardless of the MP count. Battery is larger and should get better battery life, and so far has proven to be the case. The chin on the bottom is almost non existent, and you rarely notice it when using the phone. Fingerprint scanner under the screen is perfect for checking your phone on the desk, but isn't as accurate as the Pixel 3 XL (though the speed is pretty much the same when it is working, which for me is ~75% of the time.) Design is all opinion based, but the OP6T seems to be easier to hold in the hands and less slippery, also seems lighter, even though it is almost the same weight. Again, the notch is nicer looking on here when compared to the Pixel 3 XL.
Clearly the winner for the money is the OnePlus 6T, but the Pixel 3 XL holds up if you don't care about the price. If the OnePlus 6T has dual speakers I would say it's the winner regardless of price.
Pixel 3 XL for the CAMERA, SCREEN, WIRELESS CHARGING
OnePlus 6T for the STORAGE/MEMORY, SOFTWARE, DESIGN, FINGERPRINT SCANNER, BATTERY, 60FPS RECORDING (lol)
Something else, which is why I returned my pixel3xl - the microphone quality is aweful. Look on youtube for vids, but it's the same ****ty quality as the pixel2. Combined with a notch the size of kentucky, no facial unlock, meh battery life, disastrous memory management, and camera that saves photos only sometimes, it is a very Beta device and in my opinion worse than the 6t even at the same price. Using the Gcam on the 6t gives me nearly same photo quality so this is a tossup.
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Something else, which is why I returned my pixel3xl - the microphone quality is aweful. Look on youtube for vids, but it's the same ****ty quality as the pixel2. Combined with a notch the size of kentucky, no facial unlock, meh battery life, disastrous memory management, and camera that saves photos only sometimes, it is a very Beta device and in my opinion worse than the 6t even at the same price. Using the Gcam on the 6t gives me nearly same photo quality so this is a tossup.
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But gcam on 6T is not up to Pixel 3 level yet, we can only hope it will reach there
I'm actually thinking of picking up the 3xl myself I was going to sell my iPhone X which I finally upgraded from that abomination of a "phone" to the 6T and just have it laying around. Then was going to choose which I wanted to keep the 3xl or 6T or both. I personally think the camera is pretty bad. I mean it catches details but the focus is horrendous. The other day I was trying to take a video of the monitor to show the specs etc of a computer I was selling, this damn thing wouldn't focus for it's life just kept refocusing every couple of seconds, same thing with close up photos. It's also very much laggy, especially in video compared to my iPhone X. Largely noticeable in snap chat, you can't quickly move the phone otherwise it'll be all blur. Not sure if this is something everyone is experiencing or just my device. This is where the 3xl come in, amazing camera, pure Google, notch? As iPhone X owner I couldn't care less, build quality (6T feels premium-ishh). But from what you guys are saying apparently it's awful phone so now I'm confused as if I should or shouldn't get it.
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I'm actually thinking of picking up the 3xl myself I was going to sell my iPhone X which I finally upgraded from that abomination of a "phone" to the 6T and just have it laying around. Then was going to choose which I wanted to keep the 3xl or 6T or both. I personally think the camera is pretty bad. I mean it catches details but the focus is horrendous. The other day I was trying to take a video of the monitor to show the specs etc of a computer I was selling, this damn thing wouldn't focus for it's life just kept refocusing every couple of seconds, same thing with close up photos. It's also very much laggy, especially in video compared to my iPhone X. Largely noticeable in snap chat, you can't quickly move the phone otherwise it'll be all blur. Not sure if this is something everyone is experiencing or just my device. This is where the 3xl come in, amazing camera, pure Google, notch? As iPhone X owner I couldn't care less, build quality (6T feels premium-ishh). But from what you guys are saying apparently it's awful phone so now I'm confused as if I should or shouldn't get it.
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Pixel 3 XL is not awful by any means.. if you are not bothered about notch, you will be fine... I was in same dilemma whether to get 3 XL or 6T and got 6T.. I will be returning 6T and getting 3 XL... Sole reason is that I am not getting notifications from certain apps on 6T even after disabling all possible settings...but man this OP 6T is amazing in every other aspect.. I can live with 6T with gcam but missing notifications for my critical apps is a no-go for me
Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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Yes T-Mobile on both, I have two lines with them. First screenshot is the OnePlus, second is the Pixel.
The Pixel was faster on two but not by much.
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Wow how crappy LTE do you have in the US? See screenshot.
Norway - OnePlus 6T
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Wow how crappy LTE do you have in the US? See screenshot.
Norway - OnePlus 6T
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Yeah I don't get real high speeds at my house. I live like 2 minutes from the beach. When I go further inland I'm usually up above 100 Mbps.
But yeah I don't think I've ever seen the speed you posted.
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Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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That notch though.. I had everything going for Pixel 3 XL.. but not sure if I can tolerate that notch.. am using OnePlus 6T now and it definitely feels so futuristic...
keaheng said:
Pixel 3 XL is way better. Screen, Speakers, Camera, Update. You cant compare both phone. Easy if you dont care about money go for Pixel and if you do go for oneplus. Google software is well optimized. Battery consumtion is less. The idle drain is less. Pixel 3 XL is the overall packaged. I dont know but i cant see myself using oneplus as my daily driver. Number on the paper is not important.
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I personally like oxygen OS better. It's stock with the perfect tweaks to it. And the ram management is far better. My pixels would close my messaging app when that was the ONLY app in my background. So damn annoying.
Performance and battery life is most essential to me. 6t takes both
I am hearing in reviews that the brightness is not that great, barely visible in direct sun.
That was one of the only things that really bothered me on the Pixel 3. Looks like
its a repeat on the 4! Anyone know the max brightness in nits?
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I just found this:
The Pixel 4 XL display appears Perfectly Sharp for normal 20/20 Vision at Typical Smartphone Viewing Distances of 12 to 18 inches (30 to 46 cm). A Full Screen Peak Brightness of 444 nits. That is horrible!
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That's better than this POS 6T I am using now...I suppose a HBM could fix that
Its basically identical to the 3 XL. Tried then side by side at Best Buy.
uicnren said:
Its basically identical to the 3 XL. Tried then side by side at Best Buy.
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There was bright sunlight inside Best Buy???
Max Brightness
bitwiser said:
There was bright sunlight inside Best Buy???
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From Displaymate:
The Pixel 3 XL has a 100% APL Calibrated Full Screen Brightness of 405 nits for the Calibrated Color Gamuts, which improves screen visibility in high Ambient Light. On its Home Screen the Pixel 3 XL produces 424 nits.
So it's true the max brightness is the same on the Pixel 4. Thats a deal breaker for me. And also pathetic max brightness.
It doesn't matter if you are looking at it in Best Buy in the sunlight or not, max brightness is max brightness.
Here is what the iphone 11's do, The iPhone 11 Pro also features a new 800 nits max brightness (typical); 1200 nits max brightness (HDR) display. This compares to the 625 nits max brightness (typical) display of the iPhone 11. I can tell you side by side the iphone 11 at 625 nits is way brighter than the Pixel 4. The Pro will be even more of a difference. Go to Best Buy and see for yourself. I always struggled
to see the Pixel 3XL in direct sunlight and was hoping for a brighter display this year
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That's barely better than the 438 nits on the Pixel 2 XL but I rarely have issues seeing the screen in directly. And I live in the sunshine state. It would be nice if it got bursts of brightness like 800+ but guess what, that would make for an even worse battery. And I'm sure the Pixel 4 XL is going to be far from a battery champ.
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That's barely better than the 438 nits on the Pixel 2 XL but I rarely have issues seeing the screen in directly. And I live in the sunshine state. It would be nice if it got bursts of brightness like 800+ but guess what, that would make for an even worse battery. And I'm sure the Pixel 4 XL is going to be far from a battery champ.
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More like a battery chump!
ZeroKool76 said:
That's better than this POS 6T I am using now...I suppose a HBM could fix that
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But not as good as the 7T (have both and compared side by side).
EeZeEpEe said:
That's barely better than the 438 nits on the Pixel 2 XL but I rarely have issues seeing the screen in directly. And I live in the sunshine state. It would be nice if it got bursts of brightness like 800+ but guess what, that would make for an even worse battery. And I'm sure the Pixel 4 XL is going to be far from a battery champ.
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Still, it would be great if Google actually gave me the option of prioritizing screen brightness over battery life (which isn't a real concern for me, since I'm close to my charger basically 24/7).
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Still, it would be great if Google actually gave me the option of prioritizing screen brightness over battery life (which isn't a real concern for me, since I'm close to my charger basically 24/7).
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I agree with choice. Like the Pixel 4 is totally capable of 4K 60 FPS on the rear and I would thing at least 4K 30 FPS on the front yet it's saying most users just use 1080p. They kind of force that to be common with 1080p being the default size.
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There may be hope.
https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1187093806677680128?s=19
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There may be hope.
https://twitter.com/MishaalRahman/status/1187093806677680128?s=19
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That makes sense since HDR does need a high brightness requirement.
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I haven't really tried using it in direct sunlight yet.
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Has anyone tried the High brightness app on the pixel 4 xl yet? It might make the difference of someone purchasing the phone. I use it on the OP7 pro and it makes a huge difference.
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Has anyone tried the High brightness app on the pixel 4 xl yet? It might make the difference of someone purchasing the phone. I use it on the OP7 pro and it makes a huge difference.
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That depends if it's a Samsung panel or not
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That depends if it's a Samsung panel or not
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It's made by Samsung:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/9to5google.com/2019/10/24/pixel-4-xl-teardown-samsung-display/amp/
UPDATE: Found a fix and hope it works for you guys too!
Forced 90hz is the way to go! Pixel 4 FTW!
1. Forced 90hz - ON
2. Ambient eq - ON/OFF (I have it ON but I heard some people turned it OFF and it fixed the black crush/purple hue. I tried it and it didn't fix anything for me
3. Always on display - MUST BE ON (I had this OFF before to save battery. This must be turned back on. I can replicate this every time, turn it off and the crushed black/purple hue appear, turn it on and the problem goes away.
Enjoy your P4 on 90hz always guys!
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I had my P4XL on forced 90hz the whole day. When night came my brightness was at around 30% and I noticed something was wrong with the screen. The default grey wallpaper was severely crushed, it looked more black than grey; youtube videos looked awful in darker scenes; my astro shots looked off, there was no transition in the night sky, it went from brighter areas to sudden pitch black.
I took out my P3XL to compare and it was significantly better! I knew this couldn't be right so I thought maybe I should try turning off the forced 90hz on my P4XL. Once it was off, the black crush was gone!
Is this meant to happen? Does higher refresh rates relate to brightness or has Google done something with it?
Here is a link to photos I took - P3XL VS P4XL forced 90hz (ON) & P3XL VS P4XL forced 90hz (OFF)
ttps://imgur.com/a/mS7yZ5o (i'm a junior member and can't post links, please add 'h' to the front)
I tried to replicate the problem on my pixel 4 xl and didn't have the same issue
I have this exact same issue and it has to do with the refresh rate being forced to 90hz as you said. My guess is if they are Samsung panels this would be their first 90hz panel and the P4 very well could be the guinea pig to see if they can create a solid 90hz panel? Then sadly they failed to deliver a solid product and it was already too late into production and all the panels have been made. Google then was aware of the issue with the panels and locked the higher refresh rate to the brightness levels. Google probably expected that the masses wouldn't dive into developer settings and force 90hz on. They probably also didn't expect many people to complain about 90hz barely kicking in unless you were running at a higher brightness % either. So I'm guessing their software update will lower the required brightness to trigger 90hz with Smooth Display activated and possibly increase the overall brightness of the display. The display is locked around 4xx nits while it's confirmed with auto brightness off that it can achieve over 600 + when playing HDR content. So it's probably just a first batch woes for Samsung and we got stuck with it unfortunately.
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I have this exact same issue and it has to do with the refresh rate being forced to 90hz as you said. My guess is if they are Samsung panels this would be their first 90hz panel and the P4 very well could be the guinea pig to see if they can create a solid 90hz panel? Then sadly they failed to deliver a solid product and it was already too late into production and all the panels have been made. Google then was aware of the issue with the panels and locked the higher refresh rate to the brightness levels. Google probably expected that the masses wouldn't dive into developer settings and force 90hz on. They probably also didn't expect many people to complain about 90hz barely kicking in unless you were running at a higher brightness % either. So I'm guessing their software update will lower the required brightness to trigger 90hz with Smooth Display activated and possibly increase the overall brightness of the display. The display is locked around 4xx nits while it's confirmed with auto brightness off that it can achieve over 600 + when playing HDR content. So it's probably just a first batch woes for Samsung and we got stuck with it unfortunately.
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I read somewhere that LG made the screens for the phones.
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I read somewhere that LG made the screens for the phones.
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I really hope not
cpatrick08 said:
I read somewhere that LG made the screens for the phones.
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The teardown from iFixit indicates that Samsung has manufactured the displays.
I noticed the same issue. White 4xl, I forced the 90hz and sometimes when I unlocked the phone at night low brightness the screen looks watched out, blacks look gray but then I locked the phone and open it again and I get the issue op is talking about. Very crushed blacks and colors are way off. I also have on the night light as well. I will test more today.
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The teardown from iFixit indicates that Samsung has manufactured the displays.
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Ok
cpatrick08 said:
I read somewhere that LG made the screens for the phones.
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It was about the smaller Pixel 4:
https://www.droid-life.com/2019/10/24/pixel-4-lg-display/
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I have this exact same issue and it has to do with the refresh rate being forced to 90hz as you said. My guess is if they are Samsung panels this would be their first 90hz panel and the P4 very well could be the guinea pig to see if they can create a solid 90hz panel? Then sadly they failed to deliver a solid product and it was already too late into production and all the panels have been made.
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Didn't Samsung make the panels for the 90h display for OnePlus 7 Pro? If so, they've been out for about six months and they are excellent panels!
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Didn't Samsung make the panels for the 90h display for OnePlus 7 Pro? If so, they've been out for about six months and they are excellent panels!
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That was my thoughts, and yes they are Samsung ones. Barely any complaints about the OnePlus 7 pro. Flooding in for the pixel 4 already
Some people in reddit have had success turning off Always On Display, yes, not Ambient Display but AOD.
It makes no sense but it worked for them.
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Some people in reddit have had success turning off Always On Display, yes, not Ambient Display but AOD.
It makes no sense but it worked for them.
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If you have forced 90hz you actually want to have AOD on and that will get rid of the purple/green tint for certain colors at lower brightness.
Hi.
I've just got my Pixel 5, coming from a Pixel 2 (non-XL).
It's very much noticeable straight away and even more so side by side...Is the Pixel 5 display a lot warmer/paler/washed out?
Greys especially are a lot lighter compared to the dark greys of my Pixel 2...colours less deep (tried both phones on Natural, Boosted and Adaptive/saturated)...it's almost like the Pixel 2 has more blue in the display maybe? It's a lot cooler and easier to look at/see things.
A great example is using the Youtube Music app...well, here's a selection of pics demonstrating...
https://imgur.com/a/xujV3zJ
The difference is really obvious on the first, second and third pictures, less obvious on red screens (pic 5), but in the last couple of pics there's major differences on the reference picture on natural or boosted setting...
Yeah I dunno if I'm just being funny and noticing the differences but...yeah it just feels really disjointed every time I look at the screen...
Thanks
p.s. when I take a screenshot on both phones the colours look mostly similar when viewed on a PC so it's definitely to do with the panel...Don't know if it's standard calibration or faulty panel but yeah...really hard to look at numerous dark mode apps because they're so...not dark. Blacks look black though.
I observed the same on my Pixel 5, I 'm coming from Pixel 2 XL. I like saturated look on my Pixel 2 XL, but now I got used to Pixel 5 colors - Adaptive color profile
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I observed the same on my Pixel 5, I 'm coming from Pixel 2 XL. I like saturated look on my Pixel 2 XL, but now I got used to Pixel 5 colors - Adaptive color profile
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Thanks for your reply
It's really bad in some apps like Discord...makes it very difficult to look at especially when the brightness dips in low light.
Have you seen any other phones to compare to?
Since I've been using Android I've only used "pure google" devices...(Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7 2012, Nexus 5, Nexus 7 2013, Pixel 2 and Pixel 5)...even my father has a Pixel 2...so yeah I have no other experience to compare it to, especially more modern phones
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Thanks for your reply
It's really bad in some apps like Discord...makes it very difficult to look at especially when the brightness dips in low light.
Have you seen any other phones to compare to?
Since I've been using Android I've only used "pure google" devices...(Galaxy Nexus, Nexus 7 2012, Nexus 5, Nexus 7 2013, Pixel 2 and Pixel 5)...even my father has a Pixel 2...so yeah I have no other experience to compare it to, especially more modern phones
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Unfortunately, I didn't get a chance to test with any other phones.
I also came from the Pixel 2 XL whose screen was ridiculously oversaturated. True, in direct comparison Pixel 5 looks "washed out" but this is much more true to life colors.
It's not the colours that bother me so much, more like the greys...
But lookibng at the XDA Pixel 5 display review, the Color temp is lower (warmer) and the Gamma is lower (lighter) which would very much explain.
6400K is just wrong for me to be honest! (and i personally prefer a higher gamma value but I'm odd like that)...
But mine being similar to the XDA review sample assumes calibration is the same across all models...I wonder!
But here with the Pixel 5’s minimum-brightness tone map curve, its 2.20 gamma power response may appear too light and washed out in dark environments.
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I definitely notice that, the display gets much worse at low brightness so it needs to be cranked up a fair bit to uncomfortable levels in dark environments...
Still, I'm gonna go check out a couple of stores to see what other examples of he Pixel 5 are like...
Been going around a few stores today comparing my Pixel 5 with the display models...
The display models definitely have slightly darker blacks...
But then a difference is I have a Spigen screen protector on mine...
How much, if at all, would a tempered glass screen protector affect things? Would they make the greys look slightly lighter/washed out? Or is it differences in the panels?