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Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Lenovo P2 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I wonder what sensor the phone is using. The EU version P2A42 is using the Sony IMX258. But the P2C72 (Chinese global version seems to be using the Sony Exmor RS)?

NiTrOwow said:
I wonder what sensor the phone is using. The EU version P2A42 is using the Sony IMX258. But the P2C72 (Chinese global version seems to be using the Sony Exmor RS)?
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Do you have any reference for that info? I didn't see any hardware specs that confirm it.

https://www3.lenovo.com/in/en/smartphones/p-series/Vibe-Lenovo-P2/p/PPIPPIP2C72
it says only Sony camera, but not which one :-/
here http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/JGS...amera-proves-just-megapixels-dont-matter.html it says that it is Sony IMX258

Photos taken by P2 are awful. They have lots of noises even on the lowest ISO and they lack details. Camera is the biggest disadvantage of this smartfone. But I love it anyway because of battery and performance.

lp2yisdfu said:
Do you have any reference for that info? I didn't see any hardware specs that confirm it.
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Strange on kimovil there was other info. The chinese version had a Sony Exmor.
https://www.kimovil.com/en/compare/lenovo-vibe-p2,lenovo-vibe-p2-32gb
Now both are 1:1 the same.. Hmm. But yeah anyways my old phone had a better camera. I was kinda disappointed, and also the software is terrible. It's full of bugs, I will root this sucker soon.

The rear camera is imx258 and the front camera is a ov5695.

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P2's low light camera performance can be noticeably improved!
If your P2 is rooted and you have enabled Camera2 Api, please try yourself a Snap Camera HDR app ( It's avaiable in a Play Store in both Trial and Pro version, you can also find pro version cracked, erm...let's say, in the Internet. )
I've found this guy's guide in the Redmi Note 4 thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-4/themes/google-camerawith-hdr-mido-t3656196/post74676264#post74676264. My phone is running the unofficial LOS 14.1 and...it really makes a diffrence.
Photos are being made for over a second and then about 10 seconds takes processing them (you can made another photo in the meantime).
All of these photos were made without any tripod, sometimes I sat down or leaned against the lamppost/wall but nothing really crazy(maybe 30 photos). Some photos are maybe a bit out of focus after close-up (EDIT: After seeing photos in the laptop I think that photos without "tap to focus" tend to be a bit sharper) and some of them are a little overexpossed after touch-to-focus (They don't after pressing the camera button without tapping to focus before), anyway you can play with a metering area setting(I wasn't), but...see it for yourself.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157690966808425/
The P2 didn't magically became the S8 or the flagship camera but in my opinion photos are acceptable now.
What do you think?

Chlastek said:
If your P2 is rooted and you have enabled Camera2 Api, please try yourself a Snap Camera HDR app ( It's avaiable in a Play Store in both Trial and Pro version, you can also find pro version cracked, erm...let's say, in the Internet. )
I've found this guy's guide in the Redmi Note 4 thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...-hdr-mido-t3656196/post74676264#post74676264. My phone is running the unofficial LOS 14.1 and...it really makes a diffrence.
Photos are being made for over a second and then about 10 seconds takes processing them (you can made another photo in the meantime).
All of these photos were made without any tripod, sometimes I sat down or leaned against the lamppost/wall but nothing really crazy(maybe 30 photos). Some photos are maybe a bit out of focus after close-up (EDIT: After seeing photos in the laptop I think that photos without "tap to focus" tend to be a bit sharper) and some of them are a little overexpossed after touch-to-focus (They don't after pressing the camera button without tapping to focus before), anyway you can play with a metering area setting(I wasn't), but...see it for yourself.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157690966808425/
The P2 didn't magically became the S8 or the flagship camera but in my opinion photos are acceptable now.
What do you think?
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Have you tried the Google camera hdr app?

Yes, I have. HDR+ doesn't work.

Low light

At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I have 3 phones atm - Note 20 Ultra, P30 Pro (global), and Xiaomi Mi Note 9S w/GCAM. I never imagined the N20U would be able to match the camera quality of Mi Note 9S w/ GCAM, however after taking some daytime and also low light photography, N20U takes the best pics out of all three of my phones. Even night mode. However, I don't like the all white balance, and even though you can change that in Pro Mode, when you take pictures in Auto Mode, I hate the color that all Samsung phones give out, and prefer iPhones and Huawei phone color temperatures / hues. Also, there were certain scenarios (although not many), where the P30 Pro or the Note 9S w/GCAM took better pics, but that's expected. N20U took better pics than both of the other phones 75-90% of the time, even night time photography

it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.

skoobz said:
... With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same ... Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality.
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Software & image processing makes an immense difference - hence the constant desperation for broken GCam ports.
As a S20 Ultra owner - that phone has supposedly great hardware but has demonstrably awful image processing in a myriad of everyday situations (it's still way below par compared to its peers, after all the updates).
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On topic, the processing on the Note 20 Ultra is significantly better than my S20U in basically every scenario & camera mode I tried it in, including Low Light (my S20U's photos look like watercolor messes in comparison). The S20U only takes passable images with bright sunlight or sunlight-equivalent indoor lights. It fails miserably at processing images the dimmer the lighting gets, which I didn't find to be a problem on the S20U out-of-the-gate on Auto mode.
Can they bring the software updates to the S20U?

The Note 20 Ultra camera is identical to the S20 Ultra.
Low light on the S20 Ultra is better.
Clearly there needs to be an update for the Note 20 Ultra.
And like the S20 Ultra, it's impossible to take a picture of a document and have clear text across the frame.
Hopefully they go back to the drawing board for the S30 and choose a different sensor/lens combo.
The iPhone 12 camera is going to blow this one away as the 11 Pro is already better.

auto low light example that's lit by LEDs. Not bad.
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skoobz said:
it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.
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Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same

ca12bon said:
Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same
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cool story bro. fact remains, still looks the same when filters are applied and compressed when posted on social media.

Mi 10 Ultra - dimensions needed to clear the ultrawide lens field of view.

FYI, on the Mi 10 Ultra, this should be the clearance you will need to have for phone clamps and gimbals if you don't want them to appear in the shot of the ultrawide camera.
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Phone clamps will have to be mounted off-center to the right.
It's possible that the only way to mount this in a gimbal without getting part of the clamp or gimbal in the shot would likely be to use a tray-style gimbal (not a clamp style ie. DJI Osmo 2/3, Zhiyun Smooth X, Hohem iSteady X, etc.) with a way to offset the phone or add counterweights.
I'm eager to hear about personal experiences with gimbals on this phone though!

We still don't know if the geometric center is the center of gravity though. I wonder if the battery weight could move the center of gravity away from the camera system.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.

neverthemore said:
We still don't know if the geometric center is the center of gravity though. I wonder if the battery weight could move the center of gravity away from the camera system.
Guess we'll have to wait and see.
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The geometric center is almost assuredly not the center of gravity. Most every other phone has the center of gravity towards the charging port (right side in the diagram) but the huge problems with the Mi 10 Ultra are that:
- The ultrawide lens is the lens closest to the center of the phone, which is an incredibly stupid thing for Xiaomi to do. They've done the same on the Mi 9 and other Mi 10 phones as well, so this isn't new or special for Xiaomi. It's a dumb design flaw that has persisted across multiple iterations of their phones.
- The ultrawide lens is the widest ultrawide on any smartphone right now.
- Any infringement on the ultrawide will be occurring on the horizontal side of videos shot in landscape orientation, so you don't be able to crop in without losing a ton of resolution and field of view.

You see why I'm interested in:
neverthemore said:
So, 8k on every lens except for the 2x?
Any info on the bitrate, fps, manual mode for 8k?
Do you think the phone could be balanced on a gimbal and UW be used in 8k?
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And we're back to my solution - shooting in 8k UW, zooming, cropping and producing 4k.
Probably not the best for anyone but I'm currently working that way. Using a phone as a B cam, shooting in 4k and cropping but, as you can imagine, quality is far from perfect.
That's why I so hope Mi 10 ultra shoots high quality UW 8k and gives me some control over the process.

neverthemore said:
You see why I'm interested in:
And we're back to my solution - shooting in 8k UW, zooming, cropping and producing 4k.
Probably not the best for anyone but I'm currently working that way. Using a phone as a B cam, shooting in 4k and cropping but, as you can imagine, quality is far from perfect.
That's why I so hope Mi 10 ultra shoots high quality UW 8k and gives me some control over the process.
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8k is not available on the ultrawide:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Xiaomi/com...c2qct?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

I have been using this for a week and had no problems with it. Exaggeration that u need to hold it awkwardly or fingers will be in the viewfinder.

Thanks for the clarification. Did you try to mount it in a gimbal and shooting UW?

neverthemore said:
Thanks for the clarification. Did you try to mount it in a gimbal and shooting UW?
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I don't have the phone, but just by looking at the measurements I can't imagine how any gimbal could work on this with the ultrawide. If it's not the clamp and roll motor immediately getting into the view, the tilt motor probably would.
I'm also unable to find any videos shot on YouTube with the ultrawide and a gimbal for any of the previous Xiaomi phones with their ultrawide in a similar position on the phone.

I don't understand gimbals much because I never looked into them but based on the above info: when you need a gimbal, would it be possible to attach a removable lead or iron weight to the bottom of the phone to bring the center of gravity way towards that end?

Impossible to use with a gimbal
I bought the mi 10 ultra due to the wider opening angle of the market in wide camera. I tested all the shooting modes and in all of them there is a specific phone stabilization system EXCEPT the video made with the wide camera, which makes the use of the gimbal mandatory if you want a stable video. But the wide camera is in the MIDDLE of the device, that is, the arm and the motor of the gimbal cover all the video on the right side of the scene. Some users are saying to crop the video, but crop videos do not require the gimbal, yet if you want to use it, the gimbal still appears.

mfmach said:
I bought the mi 10 ultra due to the wider opening angle of the market in wide camera. I tested all the shooting modes and in all of them there is a specific phone stabilization system EXCEPT the video made with the wide camera, which makes the use of the gimbal mandatory if you want a stable video. But the wide camera is in the MIDDLE of the device, that is, the arm and the motor of the gimbal cover all the video on the right side of the scene. Some users are saying to crop the video, but crop videos do not require the gimbal, yet if you want to use it, the gimbal still appears.
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Which gimbal are you using??

Xiaomi Mi 10T Pro camera faces serious problems and looks like a hardware issue

Mine does suffer this lens issue but it's no where near as bad as the video shown.
Although in many scenarios the main camera of the Xiaomi Mi 10T Pro delivers at least good results, disaster often strikes when facing various light sources such as the sun and the moon, but not limited to them. In these cases, the results include reflections and artefacts that simply ruin the photos or videos.
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Xiaomi Mi 10T Pro camera faces serious problems and looks like a hardware issue
Although in many scenarios the main camera of the Xiaomi Mi 10T Pro delivers at least good results, disaster often strikes when facing various light sources such as the sun and the moon, but not limited to them. In these cases, the results include reflections and artifacts that simply ruin the...
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BaconTrousers said:
Mine does suffer this lens issue but it's no where near as bad as the video shown.
Xiaomi Mi 10T Pro camera faces serious problems and looks like a hardware issue
Although in many scenarios the main camera of the Xiaomi Mi 10T Pro delivers at least good results, disaster often strikes when facing various light sources such as the sun and the moon, but not limited to them. In these cases, the results include reflections and artifacts that simply ruin the...
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Mine does suffer this lens issue too and it is bad as shown, but im not worried about it. (Cant upload image..)

Sub8 said:
Mine does suffer this lens issue too and it is bad as shown, but im not worried about it. (Cant upload image..)
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After playing around with mine I think it's lens flare. It's hardly surprising with a 6 element lens but I don't get any of that ghosting.

Managed to upload image after resizing.
You can see the blue dot and shadow in the picture.
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Lens flare - Wikipedia
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Umm these are called lens flares... Perfectly normal thing for any camera.
Have you ever watched a JJ Abrams movie?

I dont know if you guys are referring to me or op but I don't mind lens flares.
I was just showing image how it looks on my phone.

lol. why such big deal? our camera lens is not covered by a flourite lens or a nano coated lens .. lol. .

this is the Apple-Effect in action,the phone/brand is popular now so things like this are news...

I have the same problem on mi 10t (not pro). Sometimes bright lights make the photo look foggy in some areas due to lens flare. Tried with Gcam and Open camera too. I think the lens (or the camera glass) is the same as mi 10t pro's.

Guys, I wrote the NBC article. Here'a follow-up - Google Camera apparently takes care of the effect a bit. In the meantime, I noticed SEVERE optical distortion at the borders of the frame in most scenarios. Nothing wrong with lens flare, it's sometimes nice to shoot contre-jour photos, but the Mi 10T Pro seems to deliver lens flare even with smaller light sources. Oh, and don't get me started on color problems...

Question Used the Vivo professionally:)

Out of curiosity, I compared my X90 Pro+ at an event to my Sony A9 (paid £2500) with a £1500 sony lens attached.
Used the Vivo 2x zoom, so not even the best lens on the camera. Indoors in a not particularly well lit room, with ceiling lights messing with skin tones.
While there are of course differences, I am amazed how well the Vivo holds up. The screen behind looks better on the Vivo thanks to the great hdr processing, and details are retained really well on the jacket.
This is not to say it can do what the £4000 Sony combo can, but proving the point that mobile photography has come a really long way and that the Vivo is a top pick - even if the Chinese are spying on you
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200% crop for pixel peepers:
I also took some snaps around my local area - this one was picked for some of our marketing collateral.
With the Sony, I would have to use a tripod to get the long exposure. Amazingly, this was done handheld leaning against a pillar
Night shot with the 2x lens (edit):
I had this phone for just a few days and yet to get around to all the features - once I master it 100% I'm sure it will be part of my work equipment.

Thanks a lot for sharing. It truly is amazing how far smartphone cameras have come. Vivo's work is very commendable. You also have a good choice in cameras. The alpha series of cameras are amazing for their versatility.
The Vivo X90 Pro+ does have a very reputable and somewhat even famous Sony sensor so it might be why it holds up so well. Especially with the post processing. If you hadn't labeled which device took which photo, I would have had a very hard time picking which was which.
I'll be taking mine to the jungles of Australia in about a month and I cannot wait to see what I can capture there.
Enjoy your phone.

The photos are great, but you had good subjects. Try the portrait in front of a complex background or on someone with long curly hair. Short hair cut and simple background are really easy for AI Blur.
Still even easy on the close up some mistakes are visible (e.g. the view through the left side of the glasses).
Also I think it's way more important for professional work to get reliable shots where you know how they will work out, and usability on the functions, Integration with external Equipment like microphone/flash and so on. All things not possible on a smartphone. Plus speed of changing modes (flip a wheel, hit the shutter button) and a lot more. It's not the quality of shots that turn out well that make a smartphone unusable (for video much more than photo), but the shots that do not turn out well.
With the smartphone and the AI and every firmware update changing how things work, they are simply not tools for professional photography, but can be an addition in some situations. So far they are far away from being a full replacement.

extremecarver said:
The photos are great, but you had good subjects. Try the portrait in front of a complex background or on someone with long curly hair. Short hair cut and simple background are really easy for AI Blur.
Still even easy on the close up some mistakes are visible (e.g. the view through the left side of the glasses).
Also I think it's way more important for professional work to get reliable shots where you know how they will work out, and usability on the functions, Integration with external Equipment like microphone/flash and so on. All things not possible on a smartphone. Plus speed of changing modes (flip a wheel, hit the shutter button) and a lot more. It's not the quality of shots that turn out well that make a smartphone unusable (for video much more than photo), but the shots that do not turn out well.
With the smartphone and the AI and every firmware update changing how things work, they are simply not tools for professional photography, but can be an addition in some situations. So far they are far away from being a full replacement.
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I did not suggest the Vivo will be a replacement for my Sony equipment - I just did a casual test to check how they would stack up against each other in a typical work scenario. Yes, zooming in reveals the bokeh is not perfect as will be the case on any phone, and yes, adding microphone/flash is obviously not going to work.
I am well aware of the limitations of mobile photography. Point of this is just to show how the quality of images is getting closer - and that it is good enough to be an addition to the pro equipment. For instance, I have been using my p30 pro for wide angle snaps of venues where I photograph. The Vivo will do this too, only better.

Haskren said:
I did not suggest the Vivo will be a replacement for my Sony equipment
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To quite a few people they get this impression however on the various DSLR vs smartphone "tests".
E.g. for Video I would take an old Canon XL-H1 over any smartphone if I had to shoot a movie. Even though it only supports 1080i (not even 1080P).
I would argue that even the older SD resolution 3chip prosumer Video cameras are better able to tell a story vs a modern smartphone - because if you shoot a movie the auto white balance with the actor looking different in any scene and other problems will make it hard to grip your viewer. Then of course no - I would never use such old equipment anymore but picture quality is simply just one aspect.
If I shoot something and only later discover on my PC that the aperture or color balance is so off that I cannot fix it - it simply means I failed my job. There are situations where the smartphone can supplement or even replace professional equipment - it's well visible nowadays in press conferences how many people resort to smartphones - especially if it's only for press and not tv stations.
Usability and reliablility will never catch up - while pure picture quality may even overtake? Overtake is a bit hard because the manufacturers like Sony, Canon, Nikon, Red and others could always just build their products around a smartphone chip. I mean that's kinda how Red revolutionized the Film market.
They used camera chips, coupled them with immense cooling - and got a video camera that beats out film. But should sensors for smartphones ever surpass sensors for DSLR (unlikely as long as there is a potent market for DSLR) - DSLR could just go for smartphone sensors, snapdgragon processors - and build a hardware around it that has way better usability than a simple touchscreen.

100% crop of X90 Pro+ (90mm lens) vs. Sony a6400 (75mm lens + digital). Indoor shot at night.
A pro photographer will know which one is which, but I'm not sure which one is better
@Haskren Your photography skills are amazing!

Another snap tonight