At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the Samsung Galaxy Note 20 Ultra's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
I have 3 phones atm - Note 20 Ultra, P30 Pro (global), and Xiaomi Mi Note 9S w/GCAM. I never imagined the N20U would be able to match the camera quality of Mi Note 9S w/ GCAM, however after taking some daytime and also low light photography, N20U takes the best pics out of all three of my phones. Even night mode. However, I don't like the all white balance, and even though you can change that in Pro Mode, when you take pictures in Auto Mode, I hate the color that all Samsung phones give out, and prefer iPhones and Huawei phone color temperatures / hues. Also, there were certain scenarios (although not many), where the P30 Pro or the Note 9S w/GCAM took better pics, but that's expected. N20U took better pics than both of the other phones 75-90% of the time, even night time photography
it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.
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... With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same ... Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality.
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Software & image processing makes an immense difference - hence the constant desperation for broken GCam ports.
As a S20 Ultra owner - that phone has supposedly great hardware but has demonstrably awful image processing in a myriad of everyday situations (it's still way below par compared to its peers, after all the updates).
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On topic, the processing on the Note 20 Ultra is significantly better than my S20U in basically every scenario & camera mode I tried it in, including Low Light (my S20U's photos look like watercolor messes in comparison). The S20U only takes passable images with bright sunlight or sunlight-equivalent indoor lights. It fails miserably at processing images the dimmer the lighting gets, which I didn't find to be a problem on the S20U out-of-the-gate on Auto mode.
Can they bring the software updates to the S20U?
The Note 20 Ultra camera is identical to the S20 Ultra.
Low light on the S20 Ultra is better.
Clearly there needs to be an update for the Note 20 Ultra.
And like the S20 Ultra, it's impossible to take a picture of a document and have clear text across the frame.
Hopefully they go back to the drawing board for the S30 and choose a different sensor/lens combo.
The iPhone 12 camera is going to blow this one away as the 11 Pro is already better.
auto low light example that's lit by LEDs. Not bad.
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it's all subjective. You like it 75-90% of the time. It doesn't mean 75-90% of everyone else will like it 75-90% of the time. With camera modules basically being made all by Sony or Samsung, they all look the same. besides, I haven't known anyone to print their pics. it's being compressed or filtered onto VSCO or IG anyway does it really matter? Just take your picture and be happy with it. Unless you have a 99 dollar tracphone, it's the same quality...and even if you do have that $99 tracphone, your grandma can't tell what phone it was taken on when you post it on fb.
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Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same
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Actually even with same cameras and sensors, you can have Vastly different output. Just look at Pixel phones, alot of other manufacturers use the same exact sensor however its the software engineering that makes pixel phones take great pics. You just sound like an argumentative person, I was just providing my personal experience, and never mentioned that other people's experience would be the same
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cool story bro. fact remains, still looks the same when filters are applied and compressed when posted on social media.
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At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the LG Nexus 5X's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
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Good but not great.
Rate this thread to express how the LG Nexus 5X's camera performs when no or low light is present.
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Can confirm, the camera performs terrible, when no light is present. The pictures are black with a lot of noise.
I hope they fix this in the next update.
In dim light situations the camera is good...
Few days ago I was at one place and lighting was about 30% out of 100 and 5X performed good, alghough photos had some noise, but they were not dark, which isn't bad.
Excellent for a phone, not much more to say.
How is this getting such bad rep and review compare to 6P when they both have exactly the same camera and take exactly the same quality pictures?
I couldn't disagree more with most of the people here. I have owned a G4, Note 5 MXPE and this camera ranks as follows in low light. 1-G4, 2-3 - Note 5 and 5X (about as even as it gets) MXPE-4
Are you guys kidding? The low light pictures are nothing short of amazing. And I own a 1.8 35mm (which is better, obviously, but comparable).
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Are you guys kidding? The low light pictures are nothing short of amazing. And I own a 1.8 35mm (which is better, obviously, but comparable).
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ppaasseeii said:
Are you guys kidding? The low light pictures are nothing short of amazing. And I own a 1.8 35mm (which is better, obviously, but comparable).
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This. It's a $400 cell phone camera that compares well with $600+ device's cameras.
The sensor and lens are excellent for a phone. From about ISO 400, it resolves more detail than my Lumia 930, which uses a sensor which is only very slightly smaller but much higher resolution. It also has better dynamic range across the board. HDR+ is particularly impressive compared to the HDR modes on the other devices I've used. However, it really could have done with an image stabilizer to mitigate motion blur on longer exposures. I fairly consistently get less blur in low light with the Lumia and even my old G2, both of which have OIS.
Exceptional
Lowlight pictures are really amazing...
Nexus 5X+ Nova+Root
No issues here.
Low light condition front camera without HDR+ is like taking a picture to nothing but black. With HDR+ activated is really awesome what it can do. Obviously is not like having a flash on front camera but it gets much better.
On rear camera without flash and HDR+ is much the same result as the front camera. With flash photos are really good quality and smooth.
can you guys share photos taken on low light conditions?
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can you guys share photos taken on low light conditions?
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Extreme gorgeous!
It's here https://www.dxomark.com/Mobiles/OnePlus-5-review-A-serious-shooter
ITT:
Dxo gives a good score: "Paid reviews lost all my respect for dxo, oneplus sucks"
Dxo gives a bad score: "Lol I knew this camera was crap, oneplus sucks"
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ITT:
Dxo gives a good score: "Paid reviews lost all my respect for dxo, oneplus sucks"
Dxo gives a bad score: "Lol I knew this camera was crap, oneplus sucks"
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Lol yeah, dammed if you do, dammed if you don't...
https://twitter.com/RDR0b11/status/883001008191754240
I don't think they ever switched to 4k for video... Stabilization is ? on 4k right now
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https://twitter.com/RDR0b11/status/883001008191754240
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David R from Android Police thinks the score was bought. That's pretty damming!
XDA's take on it https://www.xda-developers.com/dxomark-reviews-oneplus-5-camera-quality-gives-it-a-score-of-87/
A question - is EIS enabled on 1080p at 60fps, only on 1080p at 30fps, or both?
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A question - is EIS enabled on 1080p at 60fps, only on 1080p at 30fps, or both?
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Have to say looking at the shot of the chap in the hat, the S8 looks superior in every way, it's a landslide.
for me the only problem with the camera is the lack of OIS, coming from the HTC 10 it's a noticeable loss.
Driving down the road (passenger) I can zoom and focus on an object in the distance with minimal effort and no wobble, the oneplus just can't do that, you would have to be gravity free and a dead object in order to get the same stability.
Other than that I think the camera is decent, oh and the odd weird water colour effect when zoomed in.
Might do a comparison video
To be expected, the camera certainly isn't exceptional but it still is pretty good. The big problem was that 1+ hyped up so much how good the camera was going to turn out to be that the expectations most people set out, weren't going to be met. But that's entirely 1+ fault for putting so much focus on promoting the camera.
The irony I find in all this is that had 1+ focused on a single lens camera, maybe they could have added hardware OIS, a larger pixel sensor and with the added bonus that they could have installed the display right side up, thus preventing the jelly effect some users experience. Considering the two highest scoring phones on DxOMark have single lens cameras, it's very probable that the camera could have turned out to be as good or even better than the U11 or Pixel.
coming from a note4
I was very impressed with tne oneplus5 in just about every way (the screen was just ok), except the camera. I wanted to keep this phone so badly, but in the end the camera just couldn't hold a candle to even my note4. I don't know if it's qualcomm's snapcam (running lineage right now) that makes it so good, but at full crop there is very little loss of detail, noise, and almost zero denoising artifact. I would snap the same subject with the oneplus5 and have to zoom out pretty far just to make the horrible noise and artifact bearable. If you don't ever zoom or crop, then the camera's pretty good. But if you routinely zoom the cam, or crop in on the pics after the fact, then this camera will disappoint. painfully so. I like the oneplus5 so much, in fact, that I'll keep an eye on it to see if there are improvements and am open to buying it again down the line.
I'll be perfectly honest. I love this phone. It kicks the crap out of my S8+ in so many ways. So much so that I'm trying to get rid of the S8+. I've got no issue with it and the photos are brilliant for my needs. However this score doesn't seem to fit.
And I don't know why anyone wants it to. You can't have a flagship level phone in ALL areas AND have it priced decently. Some people expect and want way too much out of OnePlus. OnePlus is alarmingly trying to cater to that. Stick with the original mission. Give us spec beasts with no bloat and none of the gimmicks. No one else does that. Most of us would rather you give us a powerhouse that does the intended job versus a bogged down wallet killer that takes photos on par with thousand dollar phones that we come to OnePlus seeking to avoid.
The camera is good. Great even. But it's not the best or within shooting (hah) range of it. It is what it should be. People are fine with that. People get pissed when it's hyped into something it's not and that they didn't expect out of you to begin with. That's your problem OnePlus.
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After reading the review, I'm not so surprised by the score.
They basically said that if you bring your tripod with you, you will get very good shots even in low light conditions but if you expect to take handled shots, the OP5 will end with blurry shots.
But DxO mostly doesn't care about handled performance because shots can't be perfectly reproduce so the score is fair considering their standards.
The only point where I strongly disagree is about video stabilisation.
Where they saw "good" photo quality, if in low light conditions OP5 do photos which we can rate to 0 score!
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I was very impressed with tne oneplus5 in just about every way (the screen was just ok), except the camera. I wanted to keep this phone so badly, but in the end the camera just couldn't hold a candle to even my note4. I don't know if it's qualcomm's snapcam (running lineage right now) that makes it so good, but at full crop there is very little loss of detail, noise, and almost zero denoising artifact. I would snap the same subject with the oneplus5 and have to zoom out pretty far just to make the horrible noise and artifact bearable. If you don't ever zoom or crop, then the camera's pretty good. But if you routinely zoom the cam, or crop in on the pics after the fact, then this camera will disappoint. painfully so. I like the oneplus5 so much, in fact, that I'll keep an eye on it to see if there are improvements and am open to buying it again down the line.
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I'm with you. I snatched a 128GB Pixel for $510 on Swappa, so I'm sending the OP5 back this weekend. But I would buy down the road if it get dramatically better through updates, or the 5T brings OIS and better post-processing.
So, the OP5 camera (87) is better than the iPhone 7 (86) and almost as good as the Galaxy S8 (88)?
What.
I can't belive it because g4 has superior quality in crops:
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OP just upped the camera game. Now samsung, htc and google have to catch up
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...plus-5-camera-improvement-partnership-dxomark
Say "cheese", then rate this thread to express how photos taken with the Lenovo P2 come out. A higher rating indicates that photos offer rich color (without over-saturating), sharp detail (with all subjects in-focus), and appropriate exposure (with even lighting).
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I wonder what sensor the phone is using. The EU version P2A42 is using the Sony IMX258. But the P2C72 (Chinese global version seems to be using the Sony Exmor RS)?
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I wonder what sensor the phone is using. The EU version P2A42 is using the Sony IMX258. But the P2C72 (Chinese global version seems to be using the Sony Exmor RS)?
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Do you have any reference for that info? I didn't see any hardware specs that confirm it.
https://www3.lenovo.com/in/en/smartphones/p-series/Vibe-Lenovo-P2/p/PPIPPIP2C72
it says only Sony camera, but not which one :-/
here http://www.livemint.com/Leisure/JGS...amera-proves-just-megapixels-dont-matter.html it says that it is Sony IMX258
Photos taken by P2 are awful. They have lots of noises even on the lowest ISO and they lack details. Camera is the biggest disadvantage of this smartfone. But I love it anyway because of battery and performance.
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Do you have any reference for that info? I didn't see any hardware specs that confirm it.
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Strange on kimovil there was other info. The chinese version had a Sony Exmor.
https://www.kimovil.com/en/compare/lenovo-vibe-p2,lenovo-vibe-p2-32gb
Now both are 1:1 the same.. Hmm. But yeah anyways my old phone had a better camera. I was kinda disappointed, and also the software is terrible. It's full of bugs, I will root this sucker soon.
The rear camera is imx258 and the front camera is a ov5695.
Light trail mode...
Stock camera...
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P2's low light camera performance can be noticeably improved!
If your P2 is rooted and you have enabled Camera2 Api, please try yourself a Snap Camera HDR app ( It's avaiable in a Play Store in both Trial and Pro version, you can also find pro version cracked, erm...let's say, in the Internet. )
I've found this guy's guide in the Redmi Note 4 thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/redmi-note-4/themes/google-camerawith-hdr-mido-t3656196/post74676264#post74676264. My phone is running the unofficial LOS 14.1 and...it really makes a diffrence.
Photos are being made for over a second and then about 10 seconds takes processing them (you can made another photo in the meantime).
All of these photos were made without any tripod, sometimes I sat down or leaned against the lamppost/wall but nothing really crazy(maybe 30 photos). Some photos are maybe a bit out of focus after close-up (EDIT: After seeing photos in the laptop I think that photos without "tap to focus" tend to be a bit sharper) and some of them are a little overexpossed after touch-to-focus (They don't after pressing the camera button without tapping to focus before), anyway you can play with a metering area setting(I wasn't), but...see it for yourself.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157690966808425/
The P2 didn't magically became the S8 or the flagship camera but in my opinion photos are acceptable now.
What do you think?
Chlastek said:
If your P2 is rooted and you have enabled Camera2 Api, please try yourself a Snap Camera HDR app ( It's avaiable in a Play Store in both Trial and Pro version, you can also find pro version cracked, erm...let's say, in the Internet. )
I've found this guy's guide in the Redmi Note 4 thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/re...-hdr-mido-t3656196/post74676264#post74676264. My phone is running the unofficial LOS 14.1 and...it really makes a diffrence.
Photos are being made for over a second and then about 10 seconds takes processing them (you can made another photo in the meantime).
All of these photos were made without any tripod, sometimes I sat down or leaned against the lamppost/wall but nothing really crazy(maybe 30 photos). Some photos are maybe a bit out of focus after close-up (EDIT: After seeing photos in the laptop I think that photos without "tap to focus" tend to be a bit sharper) and some of them are a little overexpossed after touch-to-focus (They don't after pressing the camera button without tapping to focus before), anyway you can play with a metering area setting(I wasn't), but...see it for yourself.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157690966808425/
The P2 didn't magically became the S8 or the flagship camera but in my opinion photos are acceptable now.
What do you think?
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Have you tried the Google camera hdr app?
Yes, I have. HDR+ doesn't work.
At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the OnePlus 5T's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
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received yesterday mine...
ok in good light, really good with the portrait mode.
in low light is really poor... i came from a Nexus 6P and is not the best, but the one on the 5T is worst.
better the 16mpx camera, if start to shoot with the 20mpx the quality is dropping a lot.
somethink is not working.
i'm trying the Google camera modded, but no touch to focus. is an improve but OP have to work a lot.
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At the club, at the bar, or just in your mom's basement, nighttime is when you come out to play. Rate this thread to express how the OnePlus 5T's camera performs when no or low light is present. A higher rating indicates that the camera sensor "sees" lots of light in dim conditions, and that the resulting photos have minimal noise. A higher rating also indicates that when the flash fires, the resulting photo is evenly-lit without any bright spots.
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I took these photos last night at my friend's bar. It was not very dark actually but the photos were not that good compare to an iPhone or Samsung.
I was expecting a bit more for the so called "low light" sensor. Guess something is not working well here.
ccshou said:
I took these photos last night at my friend's bar. It was not very dark actually but the photos were not that good compare to a iPhone or Samsung camera.
I was expecting a bit more for the so called "low light" sensor. Guess something is not working well here.
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These are not completely awful. Bokeh is effective.
The camera could soak up a bit more light in the shadows.
Were these all taken in auto mode?
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johninsf said:
These are not completely awful. Bokeh is effective.
The camera could soak up a bit more light in the shadows.
Were these all taken in auto mode?
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These photos were taken in auto mode. They weren't that bad but they definitely have room for improvement. A little boost in exposure made those photos look much better without noticeable decrease in quality. Hope the devs will tweak the software in future updates to enhance low light performance
yeah low light is really bad and i doubt that it'll get better with the announced update. I'll return my phone this week
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kBbvjsPNbMGPw0HJ2
https://photos.app.goo.gl/Lp1lQ2vLzX9ToaDq2
https://photos.app.goo.gl/0CvF3wkuA4DAbKM52
The OP devs made a decision to use the low light camera when there really is hardly any light.. I guess they should let the 'low light camera' start to take pictures with a bit more light compared to how it's configured now.. But Im quite confident with all the feedback from the community they will fix these issues. And otherwise there will properly be a smart developer here on xda who manages to do something like that.
Just use Gcam, with google camera it's up there with the best to be honest.
What drink is that, with the Heineken in it??
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What drink is that, with the Heineken in it??
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He called it Heineken Green Tea, but it's got passion fruit flavor. Would you like one?
Just took a picture in Auto mode to show low light perfs
Let me know what you think.
https://ibb.co/h9yNeb
Bart1981 said:
The OP devs made a decision to use the low light camera when there really is hardly any light.. I guess they should let the 'low light camera' start to take pictures with a bit more light compared to how it's configured now.. But Im quite confident with all the feedback from the community they will fix these issues. And otherwise there will properly be a smart developer here on xda who manages to do something like that.
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I was thinking the exact same thing.
I'm using google camera with this settings (attached image) Thanks @dabrown101 .
Picture in low light are way better and more detailed. Very pleased with the result. Only problem is that HDR+ takes a while to process the image but that's worth it.
Gcam version post#1536:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/themes/google-camera-hdr-t3655215/page154
Did you notice improvements with the new update?
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Did you notice improvements with the new update?
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Yes it has improved with the update but gcam gives better details in low light .
pixel 2 xl is giving much better quality eventhough it has only one camera lens
delete me
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That's becore more isn't alway better. Much like the P20 40+20mp sensor - there are limits you cannot easily overcome with "more".
Firstly optics (the camera lens and size unless you want to carry a brick) and secondly the software processing (picture compression, sharpening, white balance and the like).
The Pixel 2 XL has not only native HDR+ support, but also a better camera sensor, lens and more importantly OIS - this will enable it to take better pictures in many conditions - especially low light or with moving targets. The O+5 can come close with the ported GCam App with HDR+ - not sure about the O+5T, tough never going to beat it most likely.
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Software processing is the only thing which is making the images look dull. I used Arnova's Google Camera pixel2mod and the difference is outstanding.....
the colours and everything is just super awesome. only the front camera doesn't work when you have enabled the screen flash enabled (didn't try panorama either) but the difference is amazing.
I have been using this phone for months now and im really disappointed with the overall camera performance both in low light n good light..I wish they fix this with update..I'm currently using Google pixel ported camera instead..the only time I use the stock camera is for selfies n videos..the auto mode is crap.. images look so soft compared to the gcam..
Out of curiosity, I compared my X90 Pro+ at an event to my Sony A9 (paid £2500) with a £1500 sony lens attached.
Used the Vivo 2x zoom, so not even the best lens on the camera. Indoors in a not particularly well lit room, with ceiling lights messing with skin tones.
While there are of course differences, I am amazed how well the Vivo holds up. The screen behind looks better on the Vivo thanks to the great hdr processing, and details are retained really well on the jacket.
This is not to say it can do what the £4000 Sony combo can, but proving the point that mobile photography has come a really long way and that the Vivo is a top pick - even if the Chinese are spying on you
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200% crop for pixel peepers:
I also took some snaps around my local area - this one was picked for some of our marketing collateral.
With the Sony, I would have to use a tripod to get the long exposure. Amazingly, this was done handheld leaning against a pillar
Night shot with the 2x lens (edit):
I had this phone for just a few days and yet to get around to all the features - once I master it 100% I'm sure it will be part of my work equipment.
Thanks a lot for sharing. It truly is amazing how far smartphone cameras have come. Vivo's work is very commendable. You also have a good choice in cameras. The alpha series of cameras are amazing for their versatility.
The Vivo X90 Pro+ does have a very reputable and somewhat even famous Sony sensor so it might be why it holds up so well. Especially with the post processing. If you hadn't labeled which device took which photo, I would have had a very hard time picking which was which.
I'll be taking mine to the jungles of Australia in about a month and I cannot wait to see what I can capture there.
Enjoy your phone.
The photos are great, but you had good subjects. Try the portrait in front of a complex background or on someone with long curly hair. Short hair cut and simple background are really easy for AI Blur.
Still even easy on the close up some mistakes are visible (e.g. the view through the left side of the glasses).
Also I think it's way more important for professional work to get reliable shots where you know how they will work out, and usability on the functions, Integration with external Equipment like microphone/flash and so on. All things not possible on a smartphone. Plus speed of changing modes (flip a wheel, hit the shutter button) and a lot more. It's not the quality of shots that turn out well that make a smartphone unusable (for video much more than photo), but the shots that do not turn out well.
With the smartphone and the AI and every firmware update changing how things work, they are simply not tools for professional photography, but can be an addition in some situations. So far they are far away from being a full replacement.
extremecarver said:
The photos are great, but you had good subjects. Try the portrait in front of a complex background or on someone with long curly hair. Short hair cut and simple background are really easy for AI Blur.
Still even easy on the close up some mistakes are visible (e.g. the view through the left side of the glasses).
Also I think it's way more important for professional work to get reliable shots where you know how they will work out, and usability on the functions, Integration with external Equipment like microphone/flash and so on. All things not possible on a smartphone. Plus speed of changing modes (flip a wheel, hit the shutter button) and a lot more. It's not the quality of shots that turn out well that make a smartphone unusable (for video much more than photo), but the shots that do not turn out well.
With the smartphone and the AI and every firmware update changing how things work, they are simply not tools for professional photography, but can be an addition in some situations. So far they are far away from being a full replacement.
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I did not suggest the Vivo will be a replacement for my Sony equipment - I just did a casual test to check how they would stack up against each other in a typical work scenario. Yes, zooming in reveals the bokeh is not perfect as will be the case on any phone, and yes, adding microphone/flash is obviously not going to work.
I am well aware of the limitations of mobile photography. Point of this is just to show how the quality of images is getting closer - and that it is good enough to be an addition to the pro equipment. For instance, I have been using my p30 pro for wide angle snaps of venues where I photograph. The Vivo will do this too, only better.
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I did not suggest the Vivo will be a replacement for my Sony equipment
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To quite a few people they get this impression however on the various DSLR vs smartphone "tests".
E.g. for Video I would take an old Canon XL-H1 over any smartphone if I had to shoot a movie. Even though it only supports 1080i (not even 1080P).
I would argue that even the older SD resolution 3chip prosumer Video cameras are better able to tell a story vs a modern smartphone - because if you shoot a movie the auto white balance with the actor looking different in any scene and other problems will make it hard to grip your viewer. Then of course no - I would never use such old equipment anymore but picture quality is simply just one aspect.
If I shoot something and only later discover on my PC that the aperture or color balance is so off that I cannot fix it - it simply means I failed my job. There are situations where the smartphone can supplement or even replace professional equipment - it's well visible nowadays in press conferences how many people resort to smartphones - especially if it's only for press and not tv stations.
Usability and reliablility will never catch up - while pure picture quality may even overtake? Overtake is a bit hard because the manufacturers like Sony, Canon, Nikon, Red and others could always just build their products around a smartphone chip. I mean that's kinda how Red revolutionized the Film market.
They used camera chips, coupled them with immense cooling - and got a video camera that beats out film. But should sensors for smartphones ever surpass sensors for DSLR (unlikely as long as there is a potent market for DSLR) - DSLR could just go for smartphone sensors, snapdgragon processors - and build a hardware around it that has way better usability than a simple touchscreen.
100% crop of X90 Pro+ (90mm lens) vs. Sony a6400 (75mm lens + digital). Indoor shot at night.
A pro photographer will know which one is which, but I'm not sure which one is better
@Haskren Your photography skills are amazing!
Another snap tonight