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Within the last few days I've notice that my phone is charging at unbelievable slow rate via the wall charge that was supplied. I usually get a full charge in maybe 1-2 hr depending on what percentage the battery is at. Once it is fully charge it hold the charge, but when it drains then it would take like 6 hrs to do a full charge. I've tried to soft reset it to see if the percentage goes up, but it stay the same. I turn off the phone to let it charge, but it still charge at a slow rate. I'm wondering is it time to purchase a new battery.
What do you think? And is there any other test I can do?
The slow charge could be one of a few things... One could be the battery as you suspect (and probally most likely).. Also, are you chargign the phone in a diffrent place? If the battery gets too warm from lack of circulation, it will not charge (or just charge much mroe slowly).. It also could be that your USB port is starting to go... IF you have a stand alogn abattery charger available for it (like one on a docking station) try to charge it on there and see if it still charges as slowly.. Another though could be if you are charging it in your car while using GPS or Wifi.. IF those are left on, they suck down the battery a lot faster and thus it uses the electricity as fast as it can pull it in.. I woudl suggest powering the phone down while charging.. that could also help...
i always charge it in the same spot since i got the phone. i dont have a dock charger. its weird last night i was at 49 and i turn off the phone completely and plug it in. woke up today the orange light indicating that it was charging still was on. turn on the phone and it was at 55 percent. WTF!!!!!!!!!!
I guess that touch pro 2 better come out soon.
itzstevo said:
i always charge it in the same spot since i got the phone. i dont have a dock charger. its weird last night i was at 49 and i turn off the phone completely and plug it in. woke up today the orange light indicating that it was charging still was on. turn on the phone and it was at 55 percent. WTF!!!!!!!!!!
I guess that touch pro 2 better come out soon.
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i have the same problem. Its either your USB port or the charger, so simply go buy a new charger and if it still does it the port is bad....if not, problem solved
or put it in your computer to charge, that avoids buying a new charger.
usb charging is always slower then wallplug charging as usb can only provide
5v * 0.5Amps == 2.5Watt
where
wall charger can provide as much watt
as the charger is made to
but of cause the pda will only draw as much
amps as it was made to support
Hello, I will be getting my Moto X soon. I had a quick questions. I know it supports quick charging with the turbo charger. My question is does the phone need to be at a certain percentage for this to work it does the first 15 minutes of charging regardless how how much battery is left charge quicker? For example, I've seen various tests where it gets around 30% charge in 15 min. If I'm at 60% charge, can I go to 90% in 15 minutes or does the battery need to be at a critical level for me to get that amount of charge in that short a time? Thanks.
It ramps down as it gets closer to charged. I can add about 50 to 60 % charge in 20 minutes or so when it's low. Great when you need to shower.
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Hello, I will be getting my Moto X soon. I had a quick questions. I know it supports quick charging with the turbo charger. My question is does the phone need to be at a certain percentage for this to work it does the first 15 minutes of charging regardless how how much battery is left charge quicker? For example, I've seen various tests where it gets around 30% charge in 15 min. If I'm at 60% charge, can I go to 90% in 15 minutes or does the battery need to be at a critical level for me to get that amount of charge in that short a time? Thanks.
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I think it is the same as my Oppo Find 7 with its VOOC charger. It will fast charge up to 75% and from then on it will charge at normal rate to 90% and trickle charge for then to full.
The VOOC charger will charge my Oppo from 0%-75% in under 30 minutes and from 0%-full in under an hour but even though the Moto X has a smaller battery it charges slower. Also the Oppo doesn't come with any other charger than the VOOC and after all the charge cycles the battery performance has not dropped at all.
The other day I charged my Find 7 from dead to full and then charged my wives Find 7 in less time than it took to charge my Moto x from 5% to full.
I was under the impression that quick charge only works when your battery is almost completely dead, and it rapidly charges up to 60% (or around that number) and after that it charges at a normal rate. So you wouldnt be able to go from 60% to 90% in 15min, it would take the same amount of time as it would with a 2A power supply.
Here is my experience with the Turbo Charger. I forgot to charge my phone (after heavy use) before going to sleep. I woke up with it dead. I had to head to work in an hour. I stuck it on the Turbo Charger and after about 30 minutes I was charged from 0% to 80%. Left it on the charger for another 15 minutes while I finished getting ready and was at 90% by the time I was heading out the door.
I have also charged it from around 60%. Took roughly 20 minutes to charge to 100%. I did notice a slow down once it hit 90%.
Hello, everyone.
I just got my XZ2 but when I charge it, it only displays that the phone is charging. Not quick charging. What does your phone say? Thank you!!
Sorry phones never show quick charging so don't worry
Maybe what you meant is a "Charging Rapidly" message?
It's not just not saying quick charging... it isn't quick charging from what I can tell. A full charge takes me 2h 15 min, though much of it is because it slows down to 5% per 15 minutes once it is above 70% or so. But the maximum power draw I've measured (with screen off) is 12 watts. That's basically 5V 2A charging, which we've had for a long time now. A Xiaomi Mi 6 for example draws 19 watts, and is fully charged in 1h 15 min, despite having a bigger battery. I believe Sony isn't quick charging to prolong battery life, which usually is a good thing. I just wish there was a manual way to tell the phone to quick charge, when you know you don't have a lot of time to top it up.
QC3.0 is working fine... we have Voltage from 5.2 to 8.8V which is normal.
2h15min is a complete normal duration for charging. We have Qnovo Charging Technologie which slows it down. but it will greatly enhance longetivity.
I've tested charging here.
I'm ok with the slow charging, except there are times where you don't have access to a power socket for long. Say at an airport. Or you are about to leave home and find out the battery is almost dead. In those situations I just want to hammer the battery... and that that is possible is obvious when you look at the competition. They won't last as long, but if you could activate quick charge in emergency situations that would be great.
Also, that's a great posting. Thank you!
I upgraded from Z5, so quick charge on XZ2 is pretty fast!
It run with quick charge but just dont like the other.. i think sony only use around 80% capable of qualcom quick charge
When I had an HTC 10, the battery ran out faster after it was charged using the quick charger.
With XZ2 I just use the original 1.5A charger, nothing to complain about battery life.
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I'm ok with the slow charging, except there are times where you don't have access to a power socket for long. Say at an airport. Or you are about to leave home and find out the battery is almost dead. In those situations I just want to hammer the battery... and that that is possible is obvious when you look at the competition. They won't last as long, but if you could activate quick charge in emergency situations that would be great.
Also, that's a great posting. Thank you!
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I can also confirm this... Its working as it should... this charges faster than my old XZ.... Also You could consider a power bank, you can pick up a 4k power bank for about £10 /$15
IMO, Ide rather my battery lasted 2 or even 3 years and buy a power bank than have battery problems in 12_18 mnths, but I do agree with you ... it confused me at first, and It could say "quick charge" or something similar
Is there any way to tell whether the Xperia 1ii is currently fast charging or slow charging?
Sometimes when I plug my USB-C cable into my Samsung devices, it'll says "Fast Charging" or "Charging". If it just says "Charging", i remove the plug and plug it back in and it often says "Fast Charging" (not sure if there's dust or a loose contact between the port and cable", but nevertheless, it indicates that the device is drawing a higher current and is fast charging).
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I using super fast charger from samsung S20 into sony,but i never seeing " Fast charging" notif in sony
No it doesn't differentiate.
But it uses usb PD to fast charge not quick charger.
So I have Xperia 1 and when I connect a fast charger to it and it shows "charging" that means its fast charging and there is no way to tell? Because my S10 says it right on lockscreen, My oneplus 7 did with doublebolt on battery for dash charging even my xiaomi mi8 did say charging rapidly on lockscreen
Actually, Sony Xperia devices use the Qnovo adaptative charging to charge as fast as possible BUT not too fast in order to preserve the battery health. This is why the charge can be slower than other brands which don't care about the battery lifetime...
You can tell by how much charge % is indicated per minute what mode it's in.
On a 10+ it's double the rate of snail mode in roughly the 30-80% range.
On the 10+ fast charge will not engage if the battery temp is somewhere below 60F (not sure of the exact temp). Other makes are probably similar.
Fast charging does no harm; high cell voltage (80+%) and high temperature are what degrades them.
Low temperature charging can permanently degrade them.
Battery should be above 72F before charging to prevent Li plating in the cell.
Never charge a cell if it's near or below 32F.
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You can tell by how much charge % is indicated per minute what mode it's in.
On a 10+ it's double the rate of snail mode in roughly the 30-80% range.
On the 10+ fast charge will not engage if the battery temp is somewhere below 60F (not sure of the exact temp). Other makes are probably similar.
Fast charging does no harm; high cell voltage (80+%) and high temperature are what degrades them.
Low temperature charging can permanently degrade them.
Battery should be above 72F before charging to prevent Li plating in the cell.
Never charge a cell if it's near or below 32F.
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Qnovo adapts the charging speed as a function of the battery temperature. It's a patented technology.
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Qnovo adapts the charging speed as a function of the battery temperature. It's a patented technology.
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Your point? My point is you can readily tell which charging mode it's in by observing the charge indicator/time interval.
Assuming the ambient room temperature isn't extreme.
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Your point? My point is you can readily tell which charging mode it's in by observing the charge indicator/time interval.
Assuming the ambient room temperature isn't extreme.
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It's not my point, it's well known that Sony Xperia uses the Qnovo technology. You can google it, it's documented...
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It's not my point, it's well known that Sony Xperia uses the Qnovo technology. You can google it, it's documented...
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And Samsung uses Qualcomm.
Niether lets you to set a charge level limit so both are equally hard on the battery in one of the most important charge parameters.
Does Qnovo chipset revert to slow charging if set to fast charge if temp is too cold?
With Android 11, you can select 80 or 90 % maximum charge. I set it at 80, let's see tomorrow morning
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With Android 11, you can select 80 or 90 % maximum charge. I set it at 80, let's see tomorrow morning
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That's pretty cool... if it works.
About time.
I aim for 64-70% most times though. An 80% lockout is certainly better than a 100% plate vaporizing charge.
Charging to 80% worked. Now I'll have to see if I get through 1 day at a single charge
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Charging to 80% worked. Now I'll have to see if I get through 1 day at a single charge
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I run it down into the 40's then give it a 20% charge to bring back into the 60's.
Takes 10 minutes. That gives me 2-3 hrs SOT.
I simply charge when taking a break.
Theoretically even though it uses one full charge cycle worth of current throughout the day the actual damage to the cell is equivalent to 20% of a charge cycle.
I'm currently on Android 11, june patch. Just got the phone this week and noticed something very frustrating. I can generally "fast charging" as i only have a 15w charger for now. But sometimes if I unplug it and plug it back in, it just says "cable charging" i have other chargers and it's the same.. sometimes it says fast charging, but i downloaded Ampere and can see it only at 300mah and only goes up very slowly.. 1% every 4mins..
Anyone else with these issues?
Just try using the official charger and cable because everything else would be way dangerous. The same thing you have mentioned is happening to me as well. Try changing the way cable is plugged in. Turn it upside down.
Im using the 25w charger, Samsung original and neve chared with the stock 15w charger. It shows super fast charging, no problems here.
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I'm currently on Android 11, june patch. Just got the phone this week and noticed something very frustrating. I can generally "fast charging" as i only have a 15w charger for now. But sometimes if I unplug it and plug it back in, it just says "cable charging" i have other chargers and it's the same.. sometimes it says fast charging, but i downloaded Ampere and can see it only at 300mah and only goes up very slowly.. 1% every 4mins..
Anyone else with these issues?
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yeah def charge with Samsung OEM charger
Meh, fast charging only will engage with 25 watt brick that is compatible.
$15 for a Samsung 25wbrick/cable at Walmart online, what's not to like?
I have 2 sets, the first one is over 1.5 years old and still runs A-OK.
jeeeesze...
Yeah i plan to get the 25w charger, just waiting on delivery. I'm just trying to reduce buying so many as i have so many spares from old phone that charge in just over an hour SOMETIMES And over 3 hour at other times! Frustration is even if i unplug and plug it back it, it never seems to go to fast charging unless i let it discharge a little. Winter here and it's cold so temperature of battery has been fine.
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Yeah i plan to get the 25w charger, just waiting on delivery. I'm just trying to reduce buying so many as i have so many spares from old phone that charge in just over an hour SOMETIMES And over 3 hour at other times! Frustration is even if i unplug and plug it back it, it never seems to go to fast charging unless i let it discharge a little. Winter here and it's cold so temperature of battery has been fine.
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Temperature matters. Charging is an electrochemical reaction. Too low a temperature and fast charging will not engage. Charging below 72-82F can cause Li plating to form which will permanently degrade the cell.
Never attempt to charge a Li at 40F or less!
Best battery start temperature is 85-95F
Li's fast charge best in the 90's.
Below 60F fast charging may not engage and it will slow charge for the remaining cycle.
Fast charging will disengage around 80% and at 90% will slow even more. This is to protect the battery.
If the battery temp get above about 101F fast charging will disengage. At around 104F it will stop charging all together.
Cool battery as it approaches 99F with a fan and/or damp microfiber cloth.
At ambient temperatures above 90F cooling will likely be needed for fast charging.
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Temperature matters. Charging is an electrochemical reaction. Too low a temperature and fast charging will not engage. Charging below 72-82F can cause Li plating to form which will permanently degrade the cell.
Never attempt to charge a Li at 40F or less!
Best battery start temperature is 85-95F
Li's fast charge best in the 90's.
Below 60F fast charging may not engage and it will slow charge for the remaining cycle.
Fast charging will disengage around 80% and at 90% will slow even more. This is to protect the battery.
If the battery temp get above about 101F fast charging will disengage. At around 104F it will stop charging all together.
Cool battery as it approaches 99F with a fan and/or damp microfiber cloth.
At ambient temperatures above 90F cooling will likely be needed for fast charging.
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I don't really work with Fareinheit, but after looking, battery is reporting it as around 29degrees when charging. It does seem to be more consistent the last 2 days, i wonder if it's because the OS was still trying to learn my usage. It still happens, i just need to unplug and plug it back in when it says slow/cable charging. But haven't tested it too much, so still unsure.
I am still waiting on charger, i'll keep this forum updated in case anyone else is interested.
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I don't really work with Fareinheit, but after looking, battery is reporting it as around 29degrees when charging. It does seem to be more consistent the last 2 days, i wonder if it's because the OS was still trying to learn my usage. It still happens, i just need to unplug and plug it back in when it says slow/cable charging. But haven't tested it too much, so still unsure.
I am still waiting on charger, i'll keep this forum updated in case anyone else is interested.
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Meh you do the conversion. For actual living the Celsius system is awkward at best.
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Meh you do the conversion. For actual living the Celsius system is awkward at best.
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Lol, i did. Temperature was fine.
I received my charger after i typed up message. I used it with super fast charging getting 3000mA from ampere app. Worked great unplugging and plugging it back in.
Tested using it on my s10 charger, and it showed up as fast charging, unplug, plugged it back in, cable charging only.
Went back to the 25w charger. It says super fast charging but hovers aroud 1000mA.
Can't get it to use high speed. Temperature at 28.5 degrees.
The only way for me, let it drain 10% and put it in the charger again to get 3000mA charging speed. The message that says "super fast charging" means nothing to be honest.
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Lol, i did. Temperature was fine.
I received my charger after i typed up message. I used it with super fast charging getting 3000mA from ampere app. Worked great unplugging and plugging it back in.
Tested using it on my s10 charger, and it showed up as fast charging, unplug, plugged it back in, cable charging only.
Went back to the 25w charger. It says super fast charging but hovers aroud 1000mA.
Can't get it to use high speed. Temperature at 28.5 degrees.
The only way for me, let it drain 10% and put it in the charger again to get 3000mA charging speed. The message that says "super fast charging" means nothing to be honest.
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In what battery % range are you charging? It should draw closer to 4000-5000 ma at its peak fast charge rate with a 25w brick.
About 2%@minute when fast charging at peak rate.
Erratic fast charging can indicate a battery failure.
Any swelling is a failure. Replace immediately it this happens.
Other signs are deminished battery capacity.
Try clearing system cache.
Toggle the fast charging switch on/off 3 times.
Discharge until phone shuts down then charge to 100%. Some say to do this 3 times but one cycle worked for me to recalibrate the battery gauge.
Fast charging is a little b*tch when it goes south but always suspect a battery failure if this happens. A swollen battery can damage and destroy the phone.
Battery failures can happen at any time but are more likely to happen with degraded Li's.
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In what battery % range are you charging? It should draw closer to 4000-5000 ma at its peak fast charge rate with a 25w brick.
About 2%@minute when fast charging at peak rate.
Erratic fast charging can indicate a battery failure.
Any swelling is a failure. Replace immediately it this happens.
Other signs are deminished battery capacity.
Try clearing system cache.
Toggle the fast charging switch on/off 3 times.
Discharge until phone shuts down then charge to 100%. Some say to do this 3 times but one cycle worked for me to recalibrate the battery gauge.
Fast charging is a little b*tch when it goes south but always suspect a battery failure if this happens. A swollen battery can damage and destroy the phone.
Battery failures can happen at any time but are more likely to happen with degraded Li's.
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Thanks for the response, with the testing i've done, it's been 70% to 100% only.
i've been needing my phone for work, so i haven't had a chance to discharge it. Will try it this weekend.
Do you charge it back to 100% after a complete discharge with the phone Off or On?
kevinwu128 said:
Thanks for the response, with the testing i've done, it's been 70% to 100% only.
i've been needing my phone for work, so i haven't had a chance to discharge it. Will try it this weekend.
Do you charge it back to 100% after a complete discharge with the phone Off or On?
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At 70-100% you'll see much slower charging.
Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling. It can extend their life by hundreds of full charge cycles. Example 40-70%
I rarely charge to 90-100% usually to 65-82%
I almost discharge below 30%, 40% or so being typical. Below 20% there's not a lot of usable energy. It also stresses the battery more when charging from a deep discharge state.
If you insist on charging to 100% at night at least slow charge it to reduce battery strain.
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At 70-100% you'll see much slower charging.
Li's prefer frequent midrange power cycling. It can extend their life by hundreds of full charge cycles. Example 40-70%
I rarely charge to 90-100% usually to 65-82%
I almost discharge below 30%, 40% or so being typical. Below 20% there's not a lot of usable energy. It also stresses the battery more when charging from a deep discharge state.
If you insist on charging to 100% at night at least slow charge it to reduce battery strain.
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i drained it to 0% until it turned off.
After turning back on, i plugged in the 25w charger and it started charging at 4000mA and max 4750 for only a few seconds for the first 10% and after that, it went down and stayed around 3000-3500mA. happy for that for now. So thanks for your input.
Basically, to get fast charging/super fast charging, don't unplug and plug in a few times unless you have to as it will revert to cable charging, and then you'll need to let it drain a little bit (i found, around 10mins ) before plugging it in again to get the fast speeds.
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i drained it to 0% until it turned off.
After turning back on, i plugged in the 25w charger and it started charging at 4000mA and max 4750 for only a few seconds for the first 10% and after that, it went down and stayed around 3000-3500mA. happy for that for now. So thanks for your input.
Basically, to get fast charging/super fast charging, don't unplug and plug in a few times unless you have to as it will revert to cable charging, and then you'll need to let it drain a little bit (i found, around 10mins ) before plugging it in again to get the fast speeds.
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Having the display on skews the charge curve, don't. It will charge slowly or not all if the display is on.
It you turn the display with it the battery page already open you have one or two seconds to see the display off mAh charging rate.
You can easily tell it's fast charging by watching how fast the battery percentage changes with the screen off.
1%@minute or less slow charging
2%@minute fast charging is active
Fast charging will ramp down depending on inputs like temperature and charge percentage the power controller recieves.
If it starts or goes under/over temperature fast charging will disengage for that charge cycle.
It also will ramp up/down sometimes throughout the below 80% range. This is normal.
Being in the optimum battery temperature range at the start and throughout the charge cycle is important but don't go too nuts. Higher is better than lower. Once the battery is below 70°F it will not fast charge as well (or at all) and/or can detrimental to the battery ie Li plating. There maybe other parameters the controller uses as well... not sure.
Oddly the Samsung 25w bricks are very tolerant of low input voltage. They will charge with as little as 60 VAC!
Like a few have said, fast charging like that will degrade your battery faster due to high temps, but the way you use it has a big impact on that. If you fast charge at those speeds to 100% take it off and use it constant until dead, and put it back on the charger then you will deff degrade it faster. Lithium cells need to rest between charge and discharge to let the the temperature settle. If not it's taking a hugh work load wearing down the internal resistance which drops the cells Mah rating.
Yeah, Im guilty of this too many times lol
Manufacturers know this as well but they know people want fast charging and largest battery capacity possible, they could at least make an option to lower the voltage down from 4.20v and a charger allowing us to switch between a few milliamp ratings..
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Like a few have said, fast charging like that will degrade your battery faster due to high temps, but the way you use it has a big impact on that. If you fast charge at those speeds to 100% take it off and use it constant until dead, and put it back on the charger then you will deff degrade it faster. Lithium cells need to rest between charge and discharge to let the the temperature settle. If not it's taking a hugh work load wearing down the internal resistance which drops the cells Mah rating.
Yeah, Im guilty of this too many times lol
Manufacturers know this as well but they know people want fast charging and largest battery capacity possible, they could at least make an option to lower the voltage down from 4.20v and a charger allowing us to switch between a few milliamp ratings..
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You're correct it's best to allow some rest after charging and to not fast charge.
In practice this goes out the window
I do try to keep the voltage down as well as the temperature below 100F. Ambient temperatures here are frequently in the 90's
If I get a year out of this new battery I'm good with that.
However once it's down to 80% of its original capacity it gets replaced to avoid a failure. That's what happened to the original battery and I was lucky it didn't damage the display.
Below is my typical usage and the 10+'s fast charging patterns. The last charge ended with a near ideal battery charging temp of 94F. It fast charged nearly the whole time.
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You're correct it's best to allow some rest after charging and to not fast charge.
In practice this goes out the window
I do try to keep the voltage down as well as the temperature below 100F. Ambient temperatures here are frequently in the 90's
If I get a year out of this new battery I'm good with that.
However once it's down to 80% of its original capacity it gets replaced to avoid a failure. That's what happened to the original battery and I was lucky it didn't damage the display.
Below is my typical usage and the 10+'s fast charging patterns. The last charge ended with a near ideal battery charging temp of 94F. It fast charged nearly the whole time.
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wow that's intense! Battery nerd (in a good way!) I downloaded the app and i've deleted it, i'll just leave it the way i have it for now haha
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You're correct it's best to allow some rest after charging and to not fast charge.
In practice this goes out the window
I do try to keep the voltage down as well as the temperature below 100F. Ambient temperatures here are frequently in the 90's
If I get a year out of this new battery I'm good with that.
However once it's down to 80% of its original capacity it gets replaced to avoid a failure. That's what happened to the original battery and I was lucky it didn't damage the display.
Below is my typical usage and the 10+'s fast charging patterns. The last charge ended with a near ideal battery charging temp of 94F. It fast charged nearly the whole time.
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Jeez, had that app for a long time until about a year ago... I use AccA on a Rooted Pixel but id say I started using it a bit late.. You know none of this would be an issue if they still used replaceable damn batteries!! Lol My old Bar & Flip phones before color screens lasted days to over a week, and still had spare battery near by... My Startac even had a Solar panel battery
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Jeez, had that app for a long time until about a year ago... I use AccA on a Rooted Pixel but id say I started using it a bit late.. You know none of this would be an issue if they still used replaceable damn batteries!! Lol My old Bar & Flip phones before color screens lasted days to over a week, and still had spare battery near by... My Startac even had a Solar panel battery
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Yeah I have a flip top and S4, takes about 30 seconds to change the batteries. Most of the newer Samsung's aren't that bad to change out the battery once you know a few tricks. Some phones with multiple batteries are bloody nightmares though.
Solar panel? That's pretty funny
One way to limit phone usage.