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OnePlus 5G smartphone to mark the start of a whole new lineup[Coming Soon Apparently]

If rumours are correct, a new 5G Enabled OnePlus smartphone maybe unveiled sometime in Q1 2019. For those of you planning to order the 6T by Christmas and keep your phone for at 2 - 3 years, what do you make of this development and would you now wait for this (if it comes true):
https://www.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5g_smartphone_completely_new_moniker-news-34173.php

I wonder how T-Mobile will handle this. There are 2 chips needed and it's possible that neither will accommodate their 5G timeline. For 600 MHz especially, they may be screwed until next November or even early 2020.
QTM052: mmwave frequencies. Should cover any 28 GHz and 39 GHz that T-Mobile is deploying.
QPM56xx: Sub-6 GHz. Supposedly supports 3.5 GHz (CBRS). No marketed support for 600 MHz or the 2.5 GHz they will acquire from Sprint.
I won't keep my 6T when I get it. Going straight to a zero-down upgrade to the 7 and then 7T.

It's great to have a 5G phone, it's better to have a 5G phone plus 5G network.... Not a hurry for me.

Striatum_bdr said:
It's great to have a 5G phone, it's better to have a 5G phone plus 5G network.... Not a hurry for me.
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Verizon 5G will be out in 2019

oneandroidnut said:
Verizon 5G will be out in 2019
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Not my concern I'm French
So to summarize, it's an individual choice.

Striatum_bdr said:
Not my concern I'm French
So to summarize, it's an individual choice.
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Same traffic here. Im in America so Tmobile and Verizon matter to me,, but the rural place i live and work in will be one of the last to get 5g. maybe it will matter to me in 2020 or so. for now, im going to simply enjoy the fact that my 4g will get better and better as others move to better spectrum and decongest my old school 4g.

As there's serious doubt on harmlessness of this technology I'm not all too excited about it...

Pixel 4/XL WiFi6, Snapdragon 855

Hi
I've seen that The pixel 4 phones is not advertised with wifi6/802,11ax capability.
However, the snapdragon 855 soc HAS wifi 6 capability.
However, the phones we've seen that use wifi6 today, Like Samsung S10, use a broadcom chip for wifi6. No SD855 phones today uses the socs wifi6 capability.
At the same time, the wifi6 certification program launched more or less at the same time as the pixel 4 launch (one day difference? Don't remember).
Can this just be a certification issue? So the Pixel 4 and other 855 phones will get wifi6 support via the 855SOC via a SW update?
It's REALLY weird that google launched a wifi6 mesh system but their phones won't get it? I REALLY hope wifi6 will be activated on pixel 4 at a later point.
Any ideas?

johnkristian said:
Hi
I've seen that The pixel 4 phones is not advertised with wifi6/802,11ax capability.
However, the snapdragon 855 soc HAS wifi 6 capability.
However, the phones we've seen that use wifi6 today, Like Samsung S10, use a broadcom chip for wifi6. No SD855 phones today uses the socs wifi6 capability.
At the same time, the wifi6 certification program launched more or less at the same time as the pixel 4 launch (one day difference? Don't remember).
Can this just be a certification issue? So the Pixel 4 and other 855 phones will get wifi6 support via the 855SOC via a SW update?
It's REALLY weird that google launched a wifi6 mesh system but their phones won't get it? I REALLY hope wifi6 will be activated on pixel 4 at a later point.
Any ideas?
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Google New mesh system is NOT wifi 6
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

OK. Anyway, it still doesn't explain the 855 / wifi 6 situation

johnkristian said:
OK. Anyway, it still doesn't explain the 855 / wifi 6 situation
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Just cause the 855 is WiFi 6 capable doesn't mean they'll have it on.
Sent from my Pixel 2 XL using Tapatalk

Well, obviously.
But it's still VERY strange.

johnkristian said:
Well, obviously.
But it's still VERY strange.
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Doesn't seem any more strange to me than the new Nest WiFi not supporting it.
Perhaps, just like 5G, they don't think its worth supporting it at this time.
https://9to5google.com/2019/10/17/pixel-4-5g-reason/

Pixel 4 uses the "Murata SS9709025" WIFI SoC, but we're (NetHunter & Nexmon devs) looking for more information about the chipset.
If someone could post a full "dmesg" and "modinfo wlan" and most logs available really so we may identify this chip.
Btw, Hei John K

Arw you
johnkristian said:
Hi
I've seen that The pixel 4 phones is not advertised with wifi6/802,11ax capability.
However, the snapdragon 855 soc HAS wifi 6 capability.
However, the phones we've seen that use wifi6 today, Like Samsung S10, use a broadcom chip for wifi6. No SD855 phones today uses the socs wifi6 capability.
At the same time, the wifi6 certification program launched more or less at the same time as the pixel 4 launch (one day difference? Don't remember).
Can this just be a certification issue? So the Pixel 4 and other 855 phones will get wifi6 support via the 855SOC via a SW update?
It's REALLY weird that google launched a wifi6 mesh system but their phones won't get it? I REALLY hope wifi6 will be activated on pixel 4 at a later point.
Any ideas?
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Are you sure? Because the S10 series have several version. Maybe the Exynos uses Broadcomm so there is nothing to port. The 855+ Samsung phones can be possible to port. But there is no dev who wants to deal with that.

kimocoder said:
Pixel 4 uses the "Murata SS9709025" WIFI SoC, but we're (NetHunter & Nexmon devs) looking for more information about the chipset.
If someone could post a full "dmesg" and "modinfo wlan" and most logs available really so we may identify this chip.
Btw, Hei John K
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Any updates on the mod?

The SD855 also supports 5G, but Pixels didn't support 5G until the Bramble.

V0latyle said:
The SD855 also supports 5G, but Pixels didn't support 5G until the Bramble.
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Naw, the modem is wrong. For the SD855/855+, Samsung gets shotgun by Qualcomm just to keep them in the US market. But it happens that Samsung uses another modem by Qualcomm or broadcomm. For example, all SD855 phones use the X24 LTE modem while 5G enabled SD855 phones use the x50 Modem. On the issue of sd855 that uses the WCN3990 Wi-Fi chip there is not a single phone with Wi-Fi 6. But wait there is more, some 700 series SOC does use the WC3990 Wi-Fi chip with Wi-Fi 6 but the catch is that that it's on another chip architecture. So porting is a issue, the Qualcomm blobs doesn't like that.
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borisSweden said:
Naw, the modem is wrong. For the SD855/855+, Samsung gets shotgun by Qualcomm just to keep them in the US market. But it happens that Samsung uses another modem by Qualcomm or broadcomm. For example, all SD855 phones use the X24 LTE modem while 5G enabled SD855 phones use the x50 Modem. On the issue of sd855 that uses the WC3990 Wi-Fi chip there is not a single phone with Wi-Fi 6. But wait there is more, some 700 series SOC does use the WC3990 Wi-Fi chip with Wi-Fi 6 but the catch is that that it's on another chip architecture. So porting is a issue, the Qualcomm blobs doesn't like that.
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Makes sense

V0latyle said:
Makes sense
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well after doing research for GNSS Galileo support for the Oneplus 3, it very clear Qualcomm added a back porting fail-safe on all their blobs. I made a suggestion if someone has the time and brain to make it work by taking a 2020 midclass chip from the 600 or 700 series.
You can install DeviceInfo HW to check if the hardware is there for wifi6 before trying out software to make it work. But then you can get to another issue of the right pin not being added, like FM radio for Snapdragon phones, the hardware is there but the OEM didnt pay the 1 cent for adding support.
Edit: WCN3990 is old old old chip used since the SD835. But we can add Bluetooth 5.1 instead.

Question S21, S21+, S21 Ultra

Will there be a forum like S21, S21+, S21 Ultra with sub forums like Cross device development?

Blubber120 said:
Will there be a forum like S21, S21+, S21 Ultra with sub forums like Cross device development?
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No plans for that at the present time. Sorry mate.

Badger50 said:
No plans for that at the present time. Sorry mate.
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Ok, may I ask why?

Blubber120 said:
Ok, may I ask why?
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Best explanation I can give is due to the new forum design. At least for the foreseeable future, forums will be based on the "prefix" system without all the sub-forums that we have all been accustomed to. Of course, things can change, so we'll just have to wait and see my friend.

Hello, can an expert helping me. I have a sm-G998U1 s21 ultra I paid via Rakuten site.
My concern is that I am not able to get 5G signal, only LTE, knowing that my operator is FREE with 5G in France. My SIM card has no problem because when I install it on an other mobile phone I receive the 5G.
Questions to the expert:
- Is this s21 ultra model compatible with 5G European bands and if yes, how can I customize my phone to receive 5G?
- Taking into account that this model is an US phone, do you think it's possible that I change the firmware via ODIN by replacing the current version SMG998U1 (US) by a SMG998B (European) and will this solve my 5G problem?
Or this is impossible even with different firmware because it is due to the mobile hardware, the antenna is different on US models.
Thank you for your help.

Buying a phone destined for another region comes with a price. Back and forth there are compatibility issues. G988B (Exynos) will not operate 5G in USA and G998U/G998U1 (Snapdragon) will not in Europe. This has to do with different bands and modem settings.
Whatever you do, do not try to flash firmware of a different type of phone! It will brick your phone.

Thank you very much. The fault is due to the vendor Rakuten, it was mentioned that this model was compatible with french mobile providers. In fact it is true and not, it is working but only with 4G+ and not 5G!
I ordered this phone on Rakuten in order to get a better price but in the end this was really not a good idea!!!

MICHEL75012 said:
Thank you very much. The fault is due to the vendor Rakuten, it was mentioned that this model was compatible with french mobile providers. In fact it is true and not, it is working but only with 4G+ and not 5G!
I ordered this phone on Rakuten in order to get a better price but in the end this was really not a good idea!!!
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4G and 5G spectrums are different in certain regions too. So a phone can support 4G but not 5G as the 4G spec may match the provider but the 5G may not be compatible.

Question Modem: Possible to Convert China 512gb to Global 512gb in terms of bands?

Is it a software thing that makes the band selection different between the two variants?
Is it possible to flash Global modem to China version to get the Global bands? or is there a physical difference?
OR
Does anyone think Xiaomi will come out with a 512gb global version in the future?

The different bands are hardware, there's nothing you can do about it.
Also, no, 100% they won't release any global 512gb version in the future.

Years ago there were some Qualcomm tools called QPST Tool and QXDM tool or something like that. I read they were used to "unlock" additional bands... But like I said, that was years ago, so no idea if it would work on the Mi 11 Ultra. Probably not.

jericho246 said:
Years ago there were some Qualcomm tools called QPST Tool and QXDM tool or something like that. I read they were used to "unlock" additional bands... But like I said, that was years ago, so no idea if it would work on the Mi 11 Ultra. Probably not.
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Even if adding bands would be a thing...how many more does one even need? Basically all bands are there (except 66 which is prolly a us band).

It's cheaper for them to make one phone from a production standpoint than make ones with different bands for every market they plan to sell it in

I am gonna buy a Xiaomi Mi 10 Pro 512gb 12gb ram version, however there's no person ... "I just talked to our technicians, and maximum probable it's going to now not work and if it does then you will ... With the frequency bands as this cellphone is fashioned consistent with the Chinese ... Currently on miui international 12.Zero.3 QJZMIXM I'm in Australia if that matters.
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5G vs 4G snapdragon

Is there any difference between the snapdragon 4g only version of the phone compared to the 5g version? Other than the 5g connectivity obviously.
Want to buy the phone but don't have the 5g version available in my country, only 4g exynos and snapdragon. There will also be no 5g coverage any time soon here so that's not an important factor.
Thanks all for any replies.

The 5G chipset(s) can suck battery. The 4G chipset(s) may be better integrated and likely more efficient.
Even were 5G is available so far its performance isn't that much faster (+20%) in most cases.
I would go with the better device/hardware and not worry about 5G especially on the early crossover phones where it tends to be a disaster.
I'm looking at getting a 2nd Note 10+ 4G Snapdragon... that's how important I think 5G and how disappointing the Samsung flagships since the 10+ have been.

blackhawk said:
The 5G chipset(s) can suck battery. The 4G chipset(s) may be better integrated and likely more efficient.
Even were 5G is available so far its performance isn't that much faster (+20%) in most cases.
I would go with the better device/hardware and not worry about 5G especially on the early crossover phones where it tends to be a disaster.
I'm looking at getting a 2nd Note 10+ 4G Snapdragon... that's how important I think 5G and how disappointing the Samsung flagships since the 10+ have been.
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Having 5g is the least of my priorities on a phone. I was more interested in knowing if there are any other hardware changes between them, or if one version could potentially have better software support.

Petrit Ziu said:
Having 5g is the least of my priorities on a phone. I was more interested in knowing if there are any other hardware changes between them, or if one version could potentially have better software support.
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Pie is still my preferred weapon, no cpu cycle robbing scoped storage.
A used Samsung in excellent condition running on Pie be good. My Note 10+ current load is over a year old, still fast and stable. I can tell you the Note 10+ 512gb Snapdragon variant is a fast running rock solid stable platform. It's fun to use. Once optimized, zero issues.
The biggest change and question is how the 5G is implemented. Is it integrated into the main chipset or does it have its own chipset (which will likely eat more battery). Can you completely turn off 5G? Tear downs may yield clues.
It a long research project and a pain. Make sure the review is about the chipset you want and not it's evil twin. I think Samsung deliberately uses 2 chipsets per model and plays off the better chipsets reviews. They've been doing this for many years. Reviewers even carriers get the specs mixed up. Fun times

they should be identical with the exception of the 4G not having a modem added on in an inefficient way.
that said it sounds like the 4G version needs a few firmware updates from Samsung to hit it's stride.

3mel said:
they should be identical with the exception of the 4G not having a modem added on in an inefficient way.
that said it sounds like the 4G version needs a few firmware updates from Samsung to hit it's stride.
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4G is the primary bandwidth, right?
5G is the tack on because it can't be relied on as a primary bandwidth.
I haven't been looking at the hardware architecture on the newer phones.
I'm not getting a 5G phone to avoid these conflicts. Android has too many battery hogs already.

the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.

3mel said:
the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.
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I thinks that's probably true.
Having the phone flip flopping between 4 and 5G vs just 4G probably isn't good for battery life in the latest generation.
I'm still not sold on 5G. Wonder if that's a 5G enabled cell tower I'm looking at

when coverage is complete and phones are on a 2nd or 3rd generation with it, it'll probably be way better.

3mel said:
when coverage is complete and phones are on a 2nd or 3rd generation with it, it'll probably be way better.
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5G may never replace 4G except in urban centers. 5G lacks range.
There are many placeswhere even a 4 G signal is climb on a hill and hope iffy.
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well they're killing off 2 and 3G so they'll need to pull their fingers out.

3mel said:
well they're killing off 2 and 3G so they'll need to pull their fingers out.
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Heartache to those with ancient devices but those where just plain doggy bandwidths

3mel said:
the SD 865 was designed before 5G phones rolled out. it doesn't have an integrated 5G modem so it's not that good at handovers etc. some people mentioned their batteries taking a hit using 5G.
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Are you sure 865 don't have 5G modem? Specs shows otherwise: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-865-5g-mobile-platform
AFAIK Sony has to disable 5G from chipset in Xperia 5II(XQ-AS62) in US for it to make it non 5G phone.

PPGX5II said:
Are you sure 865 don't have 5G modem? Specs shows otherwise: https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-865-5g-mobile-platform
AFAIK Sony has to disable 5G from chipset in Xperia 5II(XQ-AS62) in US for it to make it non 5G phone.
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integrated... the phone has a 5G modem but it's an add-on chip, it's not part of the 865 SoC like with 4G etc

3mel said:
integrated... the phone has a 5G modem but it's an add-on chip, it's not part of the 865 SoC like with 4G etc
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Specs clearly show it has Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ X55 5G Modem-RF system. Where it is mentioned that it's separate add on chip? Integrated means onboard, right?

PPGX5II said:
Specs clearly show it has Qualcomm® Snapdragon™ X55 5G Modem-RF system. Where it is mentioned that it's separate add on chip? Integrated means onboard, right?
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Why there's no integrated 5G modem in the Snapdragon 865
The Snapdragon 865 is missing an integrated 5G modem, a feature offered by Qualcomm's SoC rivals. Here's the explanation and what it means.
www.androidauthority.com
I was wrong in thinking it was a 5g modem exclusively but...

3mel said:
Why there's no integrated 5G modem in the Snapdragon 865
The Snapdragon 865 is missing an integrated 5G modem, a feature offered by Qualcomm's SoC rivals. Here's the explanation and what it means.
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Hmm... The article itself starts with 865 not having integrated 5G modem and then mentions that instead of internal it has external 5G modem X55. Then it mentions that it's a dual mode modem with 4G and 5G supports.
Conflicting information on Android Authority if I look at Qualcomm's specs sheet.
I still think that it has onboard 5G X55 modem which is external(not add-on) instead of integrated(internal).
That's why Sony had to disable it's 5G mode before launching Xperia 5II in US(delayed launch only in US).
Edit: Read through some articles and looks like X55 is external to 865 but is part of bundle and although manufacturers can replace it with other modem if they need, I don't think anyone has done this. This explains why Sony delayed Xperia 5 II in US as they had to disable 5G in XQ-AS62.

Biggest issue with 5G implementation aside is it's range limits and need for better line of sight than 4G. Can't change physics.
A stable transmission range is more important than huge bandwidth.